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Jerry Porter off to Good Start (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter LHUCKS
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Horrible pick.Just drafted him as the #74 WR off the board in WSL1.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Horrible pick.Just drafted him as the #74 WR off the board in WSL1.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
As Tim Brown crawls into a grave to roll over...
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
That's what he gets for badmouthing the team. Also, Al has made it known that no jersey numbers are off limits.As Tim Brown crawls into a grave to roll over...
H.K.
Footballguy
As Tim Brown crawls into a grave to roll over...
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I can only speak for myself, but I don't hate him.I think Shell handled the situation terribly. I'm willing to give the kid a mulligan.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not only Shell, but Davis seemed to drop the ball on that one also.
redman
Footballguy
I drafted him as the WR67 in the inaugural Red Dog dynasty draft (see sig). Could be the SOD.Just drafted him as the #74 WR off the board in WSL1.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Code:
+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2000 oak | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 6 6.0 0 || 2001 oak | 15 | 2 13 6.5 0 | 19 220 11.6 0 || 2002 oak | 16 | 4 6 1.5 0 | 51 688 13.5 9 || 2003 oak | 10 | 1 10 10.0 0 | 28 361 12.9 1 || 2004 oak | 16 | 1 -4 -4.0 0 | 64 998 15.6 9 || 2005 oak | 16 | 1 -8 -8.0 0 | 76 942 12.4 5 || 2006 oak | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 19 19.0 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 89 | 9 17 1.9 0 | 240 3234 13.5 24 |
David Yudkin
Footballguy
LHUCKS -
Please provide a rough projection for the players in the Oakland offense for the 07 season including passing, rushing, and receiving stats.
I am curious because there seems to be a lot up in the air as to who will actually will be doing the throwing, running, or receiving this year.
Please provide a rough projection for the players in the Oakland offense for the 07 season including passing, rushing, and receiving stats.
I am curious because there seems to be a lot up in the air as to who will actually will be doing the throwing, running, or receiving this year.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Okay, I usually don't start my projections for teams until after the draft but I'll attempt to throw something out there for Oakland...it would be a lot easier if we knew who was chucking the ball.I do think we'll see a marked improvement for passing yards regardless of who's behind center.David Yudkin said:
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Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Most? No. He turned off a lot of people last season but overall, fans are willing to give him another chance.LHUCKS said:
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I like him as a deep sleeper next year - its a long way to go to really start projecting stats but his value from this year can only go up, right?LHUCKS said:Just drafted him as the #74 WR off the board in WSL1.
But if he performs as well as he did the year prior........
And he KNOWS who wore 81 - wasn't he originally drafted to replace 81......I like the idea from him. It is drawing a line in the sand. Now he'll either sink or swim with it.
I say.........rebound year for Porter.
Garrett
Footballguy
No, I think one of the first clear signs of Shell's early exit was the turn of the tide in terms of fan support moving towards Porter and away from Shell during the last 4-6 weeks of the regular season.Jerry handled his problems very poorly (and I think always will), but his initial response to the Shell hiring was 100% correct.LHUCKS said:
ICON211
Footballguy
As a Raider fan I am willing to give Porter another shot this year. Last year was a complete debacle and I want to throw the whole year out the window and start over with everyone including Porter. I think Shell overracted a bit with him trying to prove a point that he was in control of the team. He supposedly continued to work in practice even though he was continually benched so at least that shows a little something.
radballs
Footballguy
I can't imagine both Moss and Porter leaving although that is a possibility. If either one is out, I see the Raiders taking Calvin with the first pick.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm intrigued as to why RAIDERS STARTING QB will do better if the team does not improve their OL play especially when there is a young rookie coach to add into the mix. I'm not saying that the mystery QB won't do better (setting the bar at 2850/7 from last year is pretty low). But there's also a chance it could be a rookie starting QB as well. They gave up 72 sacks last year--about what the Colts, Ravens, Redskins, and Saints allowed combined.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
There is basically nowhere to go but up with the O-Line...I'll take the under on 72 sacks. The offensive coaching was abysmal next year...the change in coaching staffs alone should have an impact. All of that being said, the Raiders will probably be projected in my bottom 5 passing offenses despite their skill position talent because of the O-Line.
massraider
Footballguy
All Raider fans are willing to give him another shot, because of all the other question marks on the team.
If Moss was healthy, happy, and a leader, and if Ron Curry had two decent Achilles tendons, we'd all go tell Porter to take a leap, and be happy if they traded him for a 2nd round pick, if not less.
But we need him. So we're forgiving.
The fact is he's a prima donna, that really hasn't liked ANY coaching staff he's had here, can't stay healthy, and has disappeared for stretches throughout his career. If he gets off to a quick start next year, trade him. Definition of a sell high.
I'm glad he's saying all the right things, but I'd still like to kick him in the jimmy.
If Moss was healthy, happy, and a leader, and if Ron Curry had two decent Achilles tendons, we'd all go tell Porter to take a leap, and be happy if they traded him for a 2nd round pick, if not less.
But we need him. So we're forgiving.
The fact is he's a prima donna, that really hasn't liked ANY coaching staff he's had here, can't stay healthy, and has disappeared for stretches throughout his career. If he gets off to a quick start next year, trade him. Definition of a sell high.
I'm glad he's saying all the right things, but I'd still like to kick him in the jimmy.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Kind of a stab in the dark with a lot of assumptions, but here it goes:Oakland Passing StatsTotal Passing Yards: 3500Total Passing TDs: 20Moss: 1000Curry: 500Porter: 900OtherWR: 200TEs: 400RBs: 500After thinking about it a bit more, I may be a bit too bullish on the Raiders passing game and will probably shave that down to 3300 yards.David Yudkin said:
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ICON211
Footballguy
Just the change in coaching should help. Their blocking schemes were very dated last year and I read that a couple of defenders that played them said Walsh's blocking schemes were like high school stuff.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Moss stays a Raider and they give him nearly $10 million in salary?IMO, OAK players are generally worth a gamble. Last year in PDSL I took Curry at WR83 (ended up WR55) and even you commented that it would be a wasted pick. So I'm not going to say that Porter at WR74 was a bad pick. At that point it's a lot of fishing in the right waters anyways . . .
LHUCKS
Footballguy
a) Curry benefitted from a weird Porter year.b) at this point I have no idea with Moss and I don't think most do, but if you put a gun to my head I'd say the most likely scenario may be a contract re-structure and he stays with the Raidersc) I agree that most Raiders will be value, hence my 3300-3500 yard prediction...that may go up or down based on QBs in camp.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
This is pretty much my take.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
cant wait for the Hank Baskett value place thread tomorrow
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I was actually much less excited about my Baskett/Curtis picks than I was about my Lelie and Porter picks.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I was actually much less excited about my Baskett/Curtis picks than I was about my Lelie and Porter picks.
Kleck.
Footballguy
Gotta agree with LHUCKS here that Oakland's offense will be better next year, and that Porter could be a real nice value play, especially as the #74 WR off the board. As your #5/6 WR you really can't go wrong with the high upside Porter is capable of.
Oakland's offense improved the day Shell was fired and Walsh was out the door. I don't care who is throwing the ball or even if Moss gets traded, the system will be better. Even with the new staff, I believe the players will be able to transition better to Kiffin's offense than trying to play one that nobody on the team had any respect for.
Pete Carroll gets a lot of credit for USC success, and IMO one of the best things Carroll has done at USC is surround himself with great coaches like Kiffin. The jump to the Pro level will be a huge test for Kiffin, but with him hiring who I believe to be a solid OC in Greg Knapp, it should only help. Then with Cable coming in to help the Oline, a friendly face to Knapp and another coach who was able to learn from Alex Gibbs, again it should only get better.
Rob Ryan will keep the defense together and now they have what they really need in some some good young offensive minded coaches. I may be a bit more optomistic than some, but I like the new additions.
I'm also real currious to see the early ADP on LaMont Jordan. He could also be a nice value play if he slips through the early rounds.
Oakland's offense improved the day Shell was fired and Walsh was out the door. I don't care who is throwing the ball or even if Moss gets traded, the system will be better. Even with the new staff, I believe the players will be able to transition better to Kiffin's offense than trying to play one that nobody on the team had any respect for.
Pete Carroll gets a lot of credit for USC success, and IMO one of the best things Carroll has done at USC is surround himself with great coaches like Kiffin. The jump to the Pro level will be a huge test for Kiffin, but with him hiring who I believe to be a solid OC in Greg Knapp, it should only help. Then with Cable coming in to help the Oline, a friendly face to Knapp and another coach who was able to learn from Alex Gibbs, again it should only get better.
Rob Ryan will keep the defense together and now they have what they really need in some some good young offensive minded coaches. I may be a bit more optomistic than some, but I like the new additions.
I'm also real currious to see the early ADP on LaMont Jordan. He could also be a nice value play if he slips through the early rounds.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Jordan is screaming value at this point
toxicbees
Footballguy
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...SPGP7MHQHF1.DTLThis old article is one of my favorites.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Jerry Porter is happy and will give an effort next year. All is forgiven and we go right back to the same old Fanasy hype on the guy. I think this tread shows he will not be a value pick because he will be picked too high by someone. I don't think you turn greatness on and off, I don't see him ever matching his best year.
The Porter hype has been going around since his 2002 51-688-9 season. In reality the guy is inconsistant and was never anything more than a solid #3 FF WR.
The Porter hype has been going around since his 2002 51-688-9 season. In reality the guy is inconsistant and was never anything more than a solid #3 FF WR.
I dumped Clown Shoes Porter in 2005 for a 2007 1st round pick which has become Calvin Johnson. 
Porter is trash. He will fake his yearly pre-season injury so as not to have to train, then expect to play week 1. Happens every year and every year his fake injury heals magically right before week 1. Trash like that is getting weeded off my team. There are a couple left and they have been warned.
Jerry 'Clown Shoes' Porter
Porter is trash. He will fake his yearly pre-season injury so as not to have to train, then expect to play week 1. Happens every year and every year his fake injury heals magically right before week 1. Trash like that is getting weeded off my team. There are a couple left and they have been warned.
Jerry 'Clown Shoes' Porter
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Trash that had back to back 900 yard seasons on subpar teams in '04 and '05.Now I know why I'm able to pick this guy up at WR#74.I dumped Clown Shoes Porter in 2005 for a 2007 1st round pick which has become Calvin Johnson.Porter is trash. He will fake his yearly pre-season injury so as not to have to train, then expect to play week 1. Happens every year and every year his fake injury heals magically right before week 1. Trash like that is getting weeded off my team. There are a couple left and they have been warned.
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