Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

[wazoo11]

Is Sandusky in custody or is he out on bail?After reading the grand jury report, I wouldn't be surprised if he eats a revolver.

Out on bail.

####### joke.

 

[AAABatteries]

If I were in your shoes, I'd make a few phone calls to professional vocal coaches and find out from them if what your coach was doing to you was a legitimate teaching technique. If they say BS, then your decision to go forward may be easier.

That's how they do pants!</Joey>

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

From what I can peice together from stories: As far back as 1998 there were issues with Sandusky re these type of allegations...a 30 pg report was made internally and he "retired" shortly thereafter - it is very hard to believe that JoePa knew nothing about this considering how close they were and his position at the university.

That wasn't just a report, it was a full-on county police investigation. And for Paterno to say he knew nothing about that is a load of crap. Your close friend and assistant coach is being investigated by police and you know nothing of it?? That's got to be a flat out lie, or he's senile.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

I get all that but Paterno was going off of what one person, the GA, told him. I am not familiar with the 1998 thing because ESPN and other news sources do not report that or have not yet. Paterno might feel some guilt but why single out Paterno? Those administrators share just as much guilt if not more since they oversee everything. Where is the outcry about them?

I don't understand the blame on Paterno. He reported it to his bosses, it's up to THEM to follow up. Paterno is a football coach, his job is to coach. Administration is supposed to deal with this kind of thing. They obviously dropped the ball and want Paterno to take blame. I just don't see how Paterno is to blame when he was probably told by Admin that they would take care of it, now go coach your team.

 

[Gachi]

without reading all 27 pages, If the police knew about this, and knew for years, why all of the focus on the Penn State officials?

I've been purposely avoiding this story until a bored day at work happened, but I don't get that at all. It seems like everyone knew he was a diddler, including the cops, university officials, parents of kids, kids - is this just the case of the good ol' boys network protecting an old rich white guy?

 

[mr roboto]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?

The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids.

No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.

Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

I get all that but Paterno was going off of what one person, the GA, told him. I am not familiar with the 1998 thing because ESPN and other news sources do not report that or have not yet. Paterno might feel some guilt but why single out Paterno? Those administrators share just as much guilt if not more since they oversee everything. Where is the outcry about them?

I don't understand the blame on Paterno. He reported it to his bosses, it's up to THEM to follow up. Paterno is a football coach, his job is to coach. Administration is supposed to deal with this kind of thing. They obviously dropped the ball and want Paterno to take blame. I just don't see how Paterno is to blame when he was probably told by Admin that they would take care of it, now go coach your team.

Hey Dr. Gobbler, an intern just saw one of your colleagues raping a 10-year old in the break room and tells you. You go report it, your boss tells you they will take care of it. That's all you think you should do about it?THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE 'INTERNAL MATTERS' LIKE CHEATING ON A TEST OR SELLING JERSEYS. IT'S CHILD RAPE!

You have to be ####### kidding me.

 

[CrossEyed]

Yikes.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being closer to 100.

So, until we get all the facts let's just make up random numbers. Why not a million?

He had unlimited access to kids through his charity, local schools, foster system, etc. We know that he was abusing kids for a minimum of 15 years, most likely much longer.100 might be a little low.

When Big Ben was accused of rape did you speculate that he must have been guilty of 100 crimes?

Not really sure what one has to do with the other. Can you explain to me why you would compare the two?

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

I get all that but Paterno was going off of what one person, the GA, told him. I am not familiar with the 1998 thing because ESPN and other news sources do not report that or have not yet. Paterno might feel some guilt but why single out Paterno? Those administrators share just as much guilt if not more since they oversee everything. Where is the outcry about them?

I don't understand the blame on Paterno. He reported it to his bosses, it's up to THEM to follow up. Paterno is a football coach, his job is to coach. Administration is supposed to deal with this kind of thing. They obviously dropped the ball and want Paterno to take blame. I just don't see how Paterno is to blame when he was probably told by Admin that they would take care of it, now go coach your team.

What if it was one of Paterno's grand kids? Would that have been enough, or would he have followed up?

 

[timschochet]

I don't understand the blame on Paterno. He reported it to his bosses, it's up to THEM to follow up. Paterno is a football coach, his job is to coach. Administration is supposed to deal with this kind of thing. They obviously dropped the ball and want Paterno to take blame. I just don't see how Paterno is to blame when he was probably told by Admin that they would take care of it, now go coach your team.

We've been over this and over this. This argument gives Paterno legal cover, but it's morally inexcusable. The problem is that if the Administration decides (as they did) to take no action, why didn't Paterno go further at that point? If they decided there was nothing to the story, then that would mean that the eyewitness GA was not just a liar, but either a psychopath or incredibly vindictive. In either case, not the sort of guy you keep on staff. Yet Paterno not only kept him on staff, he promoted him to assistant coach, at the same time as Sandusky continued to be associated with the campus. Try to make sense of this situation in any way that allows Paterno to escape moral culpability. Perhaps you can come up with a way to do it, but I can't.

 

[Joe Bryant]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

 

[CrossEyed]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

He may not have. The report we have is from a grand jury that investigated over the past 3 years. Gricar disappeared in 2005.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

in these cases the only "witness" is often the child that was raped and often they are not able to be reliable at trial under cross-examination, parents dont want to put through everything all over again, and so on, so the case can't go forward.

 

[johnnycakes]

Actually, I wondering if the GA wasn't technically a mandated reporter, himself. At first, I thought the GA probably WAS a mandated repoter, but the way the statute is constructed, the GA (and JoePa) effectively "pass the buck" legally by reporting the abuse upwards. Had the GA, or others who had witnessed suspected abuse, been mandated to report directly to the authorities, this might have been stopped earlier.

Cons. Stat. ###. 23, §6311:

(a) General rule.--A person who, in the course of employment, occupation or practice of a profession, comes into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313 (relating to reporting procedure) when the person has reasonable cause to suspect, on the basis of medical, professional or other training and experience, that a child under the care, supervision, guidance or training of that person or of an agency, institution, organization or other entity with which that person is affiliated is a victim of child abuse, including child abuse by an individual who is not a perpetrator.

c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or agency.

 

[BobbyLayne]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

Before the Grand Jury indictment three days ago, all they had was the 1998 investigation by the PA Dept of Public Welfare. It's all in the Grand Jury Presentment, which has been linked in this thread 8-10 times. Basically, the 1998 incident was a one-time thing with Sandusky showering with a kid and giving him a bear hug. There was some other incidental details but nothing that could be construed as criminal sexual conduct, probably more along the lines of inappropriate touching or some type of misdemeanor.The next spring (May, 1999) Paterno told him he wasn't going to ever be the HC. That fall he decided to retire as DC.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

 

[Todd Andrews]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

He did not. His incident was in 1998 and this grand jury investigation and report has been prepared 10 years later.

 

[Dragons]

Actually, I wondering if the GA wasn't technically a mandated reporter, himself. At first, I thought the GA probably WAS a mandated repoter, but the way the statute is constructed, the GA (and JoePa) effectively "pass the buck" legally by reporting the abuse upwards. Had the GA, or others who had witnessed suspected abuse, been mandated to report directly to the authorities, this might have been stopped earlier.

Cons. Stat. ###. 23, §6311:

(a) General rule.--A person who, in the course of employment, occupation or practice of a profession, comes into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313 (relating to reporting procedure) when the person has reasonable cause to suspect, on the basis of medical, professional or other training and experience, that a child under the care, supervision, guidance or training of that person or of an agency, institution, organization or other entity with which that person is affiliated is a victim of child abuse, including child abuse by an individual who is not a perpetrator.

c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or agency.

You know, this law sucks ###. Suspecting is one thing. Actually witnessing a crime in action is another. Does the law only require telling your superiors if a woman is being raped?

 

[Sea Duck]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

The DA's brother had killed himself in a similar fashion 9 years earlier. The brother had suffered from bipolar disorder, and it has been speculated that the DA suffered from something similar.Nonetheless, it's very troubling that the DA had done web searches on how to erase a hard drive, and a few weeks later his erased hard drive was found in the river.

 

[Popinski]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

Wow. JoePa spoke like a fool.

 

[The Future Champs]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

Wow. JoePa spoke like a fool.

Couldn't bear to watch it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

Wow. JoePa spoke like a fool.

Couldn't bear to watch it.

No kidding. If he's not resigning I'm not listening.

 

[The Future Champs]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

The DA's brother had killed himself in a similar fashion 9 years earlier. The brother had suffered from bipolar disorder, and it has been speculated that the DA suffered from something similar.Nonetheless, it's very troubling that the DA had done web searches on how to erase a hard drive, and a few weeks later his erased hard drive was found in the river.

This is pure speculation. The DA in the 1998 case goes missing in 2005, and his hard drive from his laptop turns up damaged beyond all repair. He searched from his home two weeks before he went missing for information on how to destroy hard drives. Fill in the missing pieces that somehow wraps this into the Sandusky scandal.

 

[Dought Man]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

Wow. JoePa spoke like a fool.

I'm not gonna lie...that was hard to watch. This senile old man has no idea what to do.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

Wow. JoePa spoke like a fool.

Couldn't bear to watch it.

No kidding. If he's not resigning I'm not listening.

He's enjoying it tonight as I think that was his swan song/goodbye and tomorrow it will be announced he's no longer the coach

 

[Joe Bryant]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

The DA's brother had killed himself in a similar fashion 9 years earlier. The brother had suffered from bipolar disorder, and it has been speculated that the DA suffered from something similar.Nonetheless, it's very troubling that the DA had done web searches on how to erase a hard drive, and a few weeks later his erased hard drive was found in the river.

This is pure speculation. The DA in the 1998 case goes missing in 2005, and his hard drive from his laptop turns up damaged beyond all repair. He searched from his home two weeks before he went missing for information on how to destroy hard drives. Fill in the missing pieces that somehow wraps this into the Sandusky scandal.

Maybe I'm but that seems like something they'd want to really dig into more. Ugh. What a horrible mess all around.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

Before the Grand Jury indictment three days ago, all they had was the 1998 investigation by the PA Dept of Public Welfare. It's all in the Grand Jury Presentment, which has been linked in this thread 8-10 times. Basically, the 1998 incident was a one-time thing with Sandusky showering with a kid and giving him a bear hug. There was some other incidental details but nothing that could be construed as criminal sexual conduct, probably more along the lines of inappropriate touching or some type of misdemeanor.The next spring (May, 1999) Paterno told him he wasn't going to ever be the HC. That fall he decided to retire as DC.

Yes I've seen it linked 8-10 times. I wasn't sure of the timeline with DA so that's why I asked.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

Excuse my legal ignorance here, but did the DA not have the report we have detailing the offenses? That's plenty of evidence, right?J

in these cases the only "witness" is often the child that was raped and often they are not able to be reliable at trial under cross-examination, parents dont want to put through everything all over again, and so on, so the case can't go forward.

Thanks Sig.J

 

[Disco Stu]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

Did you read the Grand Jury report? Have you read any articles on what happened? JoePa didn't rape the kids, but think how many kids were raped because JoePa kept silent and didn't pursue the allegations like he should have. The number of victims is now at 20, and keeps climbing. How many of those kids were raped after 1998 and 2002 incidents? If you are JoePa and you get the details about Sandusky in the shower with a 10 year old, how do you let him run overnight camps up until 2009? How do you let him in the athletic buildings last week (after Grand Jury testimony)? JoePa may not be legally responsible, but morally he failed miserably. I'll let more of the facts come out, but there are plenty of facts out already. Read the Grand Jury report.

I read the Grand Jury report and I felt that Sandusky comes off looking a lot worse than Paterno.

 

[Sconch]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

Did you read the Grand Jury report? Have you read any articles on what happened? JoePa didn't rape the kids, but think how many kids were raped because JoePa kept silent and didn't pursue the allegations like he should have. The number of victims is now at 20, and keeps climbing. How many of those kids were raped after 1998 and 2002 incidents? If you are JoePa and you get the details about Sandusky in the shower with a 10 year old, how do you let him run overnight camps up until 2009? How do you let him in the athletic buildings last week (after Grand Jury testimony)? JoePa may not be legally responsible, but morally he failed miserably. I'll let more of the facts come out, but there are plenty of facts out already. Read the Grand Jury report.

I read the Grand Jury report and I felt that Sandusky comes off looking a lot worse than Paterno.

Please tell me somebody edited MK's post and he really didn't type that.

 

[Premier]

Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar

 

[Kenny Powers]

Some JoePa videos from his lawn tonight... http://boston.barstoolsports.com/

I think this was the off campus press conference they were talking about. Joe figured, "hell, I might as well have it while people are cheering for me since its not going to happen again anytime soon"

 

[Kenny Powers]

I hearing now that there was chanting/rioting on Beaver Ave (downtown State College) going on for the last hour or 2, and now there is a gathering in on campus outside of PSU president Graham Spanier's office (which he is still at with the light on in a teleconference with PSU trustees, assumingly talking about how to handle Paterno).

The students are rotating through these chants:

"Hell No, Joe Cant Go"

"Fire Spanier"

"#### Sandusky"

Remembering a few semi-riots I saw @ PSU when I was there, this could get ugly tonight.

 

[HughHoney]

Reports of riots on Beaver Ave. Large crowd outside President Spanier s office right now. Many of them calling for his resignation yet supporting JoePa. This is according to 93.7 Pittsburgh. Spaniers office light is still on.

The PSU BOT just released a statement. Nothing shocking. No heads rolling yet.

 

[CrossEyed]

The 48-member Penn State University board issued this statement tonight on the scandal centered around Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator under head football coach Joe Paterno, accused of sexually abusing at least eight children across 15 years:

The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State University is outraged by the horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report. As parents, alumni and members of the Penn State Community, our hearts go out to all of those impacted by these terrible events, especially the tragedies involving children and their families. We cannot begin to express the combination of sorrow and anger that we feel about the allegations surrounding Jerry Sandusky. We hear those of you who feel betrayed and we want to assure all of you that the Board will take swift, decisive action.

At its regular meeting on Friday, November 11, 2011, the Board will appoint a Special Committee, members of which are currently being identified, to undertake a full and complete investigation of the circumstances that gave rise to the Grand Jury Report. This Special Committee will be commissioned to determine what failures occurred, who is responsible and what measures are necessary to insure that this never happens at our University again and that those responsible are held fully accountable. The Special Committee will have whatever resources are necessary to thoroughly fulfill its charge, including independent counsel and investigative teams, and there will be no restrictions placed on its scope or activities. Upon the completion of this investigation, a complete report will be presented at a future public session of the Board of Trustees.

Penn State has always strived for honesty, integrity and the highest moral standards in all of its programs. We will not tolerate any violation of these principles. We educate over 95,000 students every year and we take this responsibility very seriously. We are dedicated to protecting those who are placed in our care. We promise you that we are committed to restoring public trust in the University.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11312/1188480-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz1dBM7GalK

Sounds to me like a way to give Paterno an excuse to be able to finish out the season.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Now theyre saying thousands of students outside of Beaver Stadium supporting Paterno, and ESPN reporting the PSU trustees saying Paterno will coach for the rest of the year.

Wow..After the last couple days, I didnt expect to see JoePa to even coach this weekend

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

During the Catholic church molestation claims, the blame was pushed to the top and calls were made for the heads of Diocese, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, etc. I realize this is a more limitted scale in that it was one perpetrator - but the blind eye turned and/or lack of oversight and followup is disgusting (from what has been leaked so far). JoPa by all accounts up to this point has been portrayed a saint - but if he turned a blind eye out of allegiance to a long term friend his legacy will not just be tarnished but destroyed. So much seemingly wrong with the way this has been handled. It is easy for some to blow this off as a bad thing - but not worthy of a complete clean sweep of any actors in the case. What hit home to me, as the father of 4 boys aged 8 to 18, was how much trust we place in our kids coaches and teachers. 99.9% of that faith is well placed and those people truly do a wonderful job in molding our kids - but that .1% is what scares the hell out of me. I am a coach - I realize how much kids look up to coaches and trust them - and want to do whatever it takes to keep the coach happy. Then a sicko like this takes that trust and completely destroys the lives of a number of kids. Horrible. Heads should roll.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The 48-member Penn State University board issued this statement tonight on the scandal centered around Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator under head football coach Joe Paterno, accused of sexually abusing at least eight children across 15 years:

The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State University is outraged by the horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report. As parents, alumni and members of the Penn State Community, our hearts go out to all of those impacted by these terrible events, especially the tragedies involving children and their families. We cannot begin to express the combination of sorrow and anger that we feel about the allegations surrounding Jerry Sandusky. We hear those of you who feel betrayed and we want to assure all of you that the Board will take swift, decisive action.

At its regular meeting on Friday, November 11, 2011, the Board will appoint a Special Committee, members of which are currently being identified, to undertake a full and complete investigation of the circumstances that gave rise to the Grand Jury Report. This Special Committee will be commissioned to determine what failures occurred, who is responsible and what measures are necessary to insure that this never happens at our University again and that those responsible are held fully accountable. The Special Committee will have whatever resources are necessary to thoroughly fulfill its charge, including independent counsel and investigative teams, and there will be no restrictions placed on its scope or activities. Upon the completion of this investigation, a complete report will be presented at a future public session of the Board of Trustees.

Penn State has always strived for honesty, integrity and the highest moral standards in all of its programs. We will not tolerate any violation of these principles. We educate over 95,000 students every year and we take this responsibility very seriously. We are dedicated to protecting those who are placed in our care. We promise you that we are committed to restoring public trust in the University.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11312/1188480-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz1dBM7GalK

Sounds to me like a way to give Paterno an excuse to be able to finish out the season.

Wholly inadequate response, and just perpetuates what appears to be a complete void of common sense, moral authority and leadership throughout this debacle.

 

[Daywalker]

Not a good look for Paterno to have a smile on his face basking in the love of his fans in front of his house. Guy doesn't get it. He's lost his marbles or is an #####. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go with he's not all there anymore. Which begs the question why is he still coaching?

Paterno wants to defend himself. Will get much worse for him if he does does anything besides stepping down and admitting he should have done more.

What a climate around Paterno's locker room that Sandusky felt comfortable there despite all his co-workers knowing he is a child rapist.

 

[CrossEyed]

Kovacevic: They all must go

By Dejan Kovacevic

PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, November 9, 2011

UNIVERSITY PARK — There might not be a more idyllic setting for higher education than the 156-year-old campus of The Pennsylvania State University, with its quaint architecture and quiet feel, wrapped in a topographical triumph of rolling hills and majestic Mount Nittany.

A week ago, one might have understood why some would go to any lengths to preserve its isolation.

Not anymore.

The school's seismic child rape scandal reached a new low Tuesday with Joe Paterno's weekly news conference being canceled, Paterno's son blaming university president Graham Spanier, unfulfilled plans for Paterno to hold his own news conference and multiple reports that the Board of Trustees wants to dump Paterno. And hundreds of media, from some of the nation's largest outlets, scurried from sports facilities to officials' front lawns to random street corners looking for more.

All these people need to go.

That means anyone associated with the grand jury investigation charging former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky with 40 counts related to sexual abuse of children.

Spanier needs to go.

Paterno needs to go.

They might not need to go to jail. That's for the judicial system to decide. But they need to go.

Not after the Nebraska game Saturday, not after bowl season.

Right now.

If you want to know how something so heinous as the allegations against Sandusky could have stayed a secret for so long in such a public setting, look at the outrageous state of denial Penn State and the involved parties have demonstrated since the bubble-bursting weekend.

On Saturday, when the grand jury formally implicated athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president for finance Gary Schultz for failing to report suspected crimes, Spanier issued a bizarre statement in which he timidly described himself as "troubled" by the Sandusky allegations — how about horrified or sickened? — and then expressed "unconditional support" for Curley and Schultz.

What a stupid thing to say, even if just in the name of self-preservation.

On Sunday, Paterno issued a written statement in which he waited all the way until the second sentence to let us know, "I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention." That charge, as presented in the grand jury report, was Sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in the campus' football building in 2002. According to the report, Paterno was informed of the incident at the time by eyewitness Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant and now a full-time assistant coach.

Paterno's statement went on to say McQueary never told him of the "very specific events" in the report, which left open the colossal question as to how much Paterno needed to hear. Just put the words "man," "boy," and "shower" together, and most folks dial 911 before the sentence reaches its exclamation point.

His stance is beyond belief.

That same day, McQueary's father told reporters his son could not be reached for comment because he was on a recruiting trip.

As in talking to families?

That evening, an ESPN crew knocked on the door of Sandusky's house, and he emerged wearing a Penn State sweater.

Why even answer the door? Did he think it was a neighbor with a freshly baked cake?

Later Sunday night, Penn State's Board of Trustees conducted an emergency meeting, after which it felt compelled to make known that the statuses of Spanier and Paterno never were discussed.

Assuming you believe that, try to imagine a group entrusted with the well-being of a university talking for three hours and somehow avoiding two men mentioned prominently in such an investigation.

Tuesday, Paterno's news conference was canceled about 40 minutes before its scheduled 12:20 p.m. start. A school official stepped outside Beaver Stadium and shouted to about 200 reporters that this was due to "ongoing legal circumstances," as if those had suddenly sprung up.

This came after the athletic department had told us Paterno would only take questions about Nebraska.

Imagine that: "Hey, Coach, how about the Huskers' zone blitz?" Scott Paterno, one of the coach's sons, discussed having his father hold a news conference off campus, but that fizzled because, in Scott's words, "He shouldn't do that on his front lawn." The son also repeatedly blamed Spanier for the cancellation, setting the stage for a public hissing match between a university president and icon over who might be less culpable in a child molestation case.

Finally, late last night, the Board issued another statement declaring it was — wait for it — forming a committee. Primarily to investigate the investigation.

What a travesty.

The faculty doesn't deserve this. The researchers who this very week announced progress in preventing kidney failure don't deserve this. Neither do the 80,000 students or the 550,000 living alumni, including a nationwide high of 22,000 in Allegheny County.

At the same time, how that greater community responds will help define Penn State's recovery.

By nightfall Tuesday, hundreds of students and fans gathered outside Paterno's house to cheer on their coach.

On campus, David Baran, a 1975 graduate, burned his diploma on the steps of Old Main and said of the school's administration, "I want nothing to do with these people."

He was part of a protest that had no more than a dozen participants.

Dejan Kovacevic can be reached at dkovacevic@tribweb.com

Read more: Kovacevic: They all must go - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/print_766281.html#ixzz1dBSmm6j9

 

[Daywalker]

The 48-member Penn State University board issued this statement tonight on the scandal centered around Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator under head football coach Joe Paterno, accused of sexually abusing at least eight children across 15 years:

The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State University is outraged by the horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report. As parents, alumni and members of the Penn State Community, our hearts go out to all of those impacted by these terrible events, especially the tragedies involving children and their families. We cannot begin to express the combination of sorrow and anger that we feel about the allegations surrounding Jerry Sandusky. We hear those of you who feel betrayed and we want to assure all of you that the Board will take swift, decisive action.

At its regular meeting on Friday, November 11, 2011, the Board will appoint a Special Committee, members of which are currently being identified, to undertake a full and complete investigation of the circumstances that gave rise to the Grand Jury Report. This Special Committee will be commissioned to determine what failures occurred, who is responsible and what measures are necessary to insure that this never happens at our University again and that those responsible are held fully accountable. The Special Committee will have whatever resources are necessary to thoroughly fulfill its charge, including independent counsel and investigative teams, and there will be no restrictions placed on its scope or activities. Upon the completion of this investigation, a complete report will be presented at a future public session of the Board of Trustees.

Penn State has always strived for honesty, integrity and the highest moral standards in all of its programs. We will not tolerate any violation of these principles. We educate over 95,000 students every year and we take this responsibility very seriously. We are dedicated to protecting those who are placed in our care. We promise you that we are committed to restoring public trust in the University.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11312/1188480-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz1dBM7GalK

Sounds to me like a way to give Paterno an excuse to be able to finish out the season.

Wholly inadequate response, and just perpetuates what appears to be a complete void of common sense, moral authority and leadership throughout this debacle.

The statement fails to acknowledge the real outrage. It's not with the pedophile Sandusky. That's a given. The real outrage/disbelief is with Paterno, the AD, McQueery, etc. The coverup is more outrageous because it involved so many people. All of those people have no business being on the campus until their "investigation" is concluded if ever.

 

[CrossEyed]

The 48-member Penn State University board issued this statement tonight on the scandal centered around Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator under head football coach Joe Paterno, accused of sexually abusing at least eight children across 15 years:

The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State University is outraged by the horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report. As parents, alumni and members of the Penn State Community, our hearts go out to all of those impacted by these terrible events, especially the tragedies involving children and their families. We cannot begin to express the combination of sorrow and anger that we feel about the allegations surrounding Jerry Sandusky. We hear those of you who feel betrayed and we want to assure all of you that the Board will take swift, decisive action.

At its regular meeting on Friday, November 11, 2011, the Board will appoint a Special Committee, members of which are currently being identified, to undertake a full and complete investigation of the circumstances that gave rise to the Grand Jury Report. This Special Committee will be commissioned to determine what failures occurred, who is responsible and what measures are necessary to insure that this never happens at our University again and that those responsible are held fully accountable. The Special Committee will have whatever resources are necessary to thoroughly fulfill its charge, including independent counsel and investigative teams, and there will be no restrictions placed on its scope or activities. Upon the completion of this investigation, a complete report will be presented at a future public session of the Board of Trustees.

Penn State has always strived for honesty, integrity and the highest moral standards in all of its programs. We will not tolerate any violation of these principles. We educate over 95,000 students every year and we take this responsibility very seriously. We are dedicated to protecting those who are placed in our care. We promise you that we are committed to restoring public trust in the University.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11312/1188480-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz1dBM7GalK

Sounds to me like a way to give Paterno an excuse to be able to finish out the season.

Wholly inadequate response, and just perpetuates what appears to be a complete void of common sense, moral authority and leadership throughout this debacle.

The statement fails to acknowledge the real outrage. It's not with the pedophile Sandusky. That's a given. The real outrage/disbelief is with Paterno, the AD, McQueery, etc. The coverup is more outrageous because it involved so many people. All of those people have no business being on the campus until their "investigation" is concluded if ever.

It really does appear that their belief is that if we delay any decision long enough this thing will die down.I can't imagine an institution handling a crisis more poorly...except maybe for the Roman Catholic Church. Seems like maybe Penn State is using their blueprint here.

 

[Daywalker]

Was just watching ESPNEWS coverage. Very odd. First segment is short one minute blurb about PSU scandel then they say for more coverage go to espn.com. That was it. On to Toledo highlights.

I know they've been talking about it all day. Just wondering why a decision was made to curtail the coverage on ESPNEWS and just tell people to go to espn.com. This was not Sportscenter just the 30-minute news show which usually repeats over and over as it get's later in the day.

If I was just tuning in for coverage, after not hearing anything all day, I'd be shocked when after a minute they go to Toledo/W. Michigan highlights.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Kovacevic: They all must goBy Dejan KovacevicPITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEWWednesday, November 9, 2011The faculty doesn't deserve this. The researchers who this very week announced progress in preventing kidney failure don't deserve this. Neither do the 80,000 students or the 550,000 living alumni, including a nationwide high of 22,000 in Allegheny County.

Off topic, but PSU only has 550k living alumni?! They probably graduate, including branch campuses, 20-25k every year, no? I would think the living alumni is more like 1.5+ million

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

It really does appear that their belief is that if we delay any decision long enough this thing will die down.

agreed, and they are achieving the exact opposite end, much like when they wanted to avoid looking bad so they hid having a long-time coach be accused of child rape in their facilities, what they accomplished was permanently staining the image of that very program and university.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What did joe say?

 

[moderated]

Over/under until Sandusky kills himself?

I give him a month or so just to get his affairs in order before he does it.

 

[HughHoney]

This really is insanity, been listening to local talk radio for a good part of the night and people showing support for JoePa is leaving me at a loss for words.

How does he have a job still?

How can he coach the team Saturday?

I agree with everybody else saying it seems like PSU is completely clueless on what is really going on here.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Over/under until Sandusky kills himself?I give him a month or so just to get his affairs in order before he does it.

I hope he doesnt just so he can rot in jail

 

[Joe Summer]

It really does appear that their belief is that if we delay any decision long enough this thing will die down.I can't imagine an institution handling a crisis more poorly...except maybe for the Roman Catholic Church. Seems like maybe Penn State is using their blueprint here.

If this had been an isolated incident, then I think it would be possible for the situation to settle down to the point where Paterno could salvage his job. (Which I guess is all that Penn State cares about at this point.)But surely the people running PSU must realize that this is just the tip of the iceberg, right? We ARE going to see more victims who had direct ties to PSU. Someone's going to dig up photographs of victims in the PSU locker room, maybe even posing with Paterno. Something that was 100% innocent at the time will become the symbol of a scandal.This scandal could dismantle the PSU football department, the athletic department, the campus police, and maybe the entire administration.

 

[Raider Nation]

What did joe say?