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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

Here's a recap from NPR for people that are not up to speed . . .

1977

Jerry Sandusky establishes The Second Mile in State College, Pa., "as a group foster home devoted to helping troubled boys," according to the grand jury's findings. The program evolves into a statewide charity whose honorary board members include Paterno and other sports figures.

1993

Tim Curley becomes Penn State's athletic director. That same year, Gary Schultz is named the school's treasurer and senior vice president.

1994

A boy identified as Victim 7 in the grand jury report meets Sandusky through the Second Mile program. Now 26, Victim 7 says that after a couple of years in the program, he often spent Friday nights at Sandusky's house and attended football games with him the next day. He says Sandusky touched him in ways that made him uncomfortable, primarily during car rides and when the two showered after a workout.

1998

An 11-year-old boy returns home with wet hair after an outing with Sandusky. Victim 6 tells his mother he took a shower with Sandusky and that the coach hugged him several times. The boy's mother contacts university police, triggering an investigation.

On May 13 and May 19, Det. Ronald Shreffler records the boy's mother during a call with Sandusky. Court papers say Sandusky acknowledges that he showered with the boy, as well as with others. When the mother cuts off contact with Sandusky after a second call, he tells her, "I wish I were dead," according to court papers.

On June 1, Jerry Lauro, an investigator from the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, takes part in an interview of Sandusky by Shreffler. According to the grand jury report, Sandusky admits to hugging the boy in the shower, and says he will not shower with children again.

Shreffler speaks to another boy who reports similar treatment to that reported by Victim 6. But the investigation ends after District Attorney Ray Gricar decides the case warrants no criminal charges. Shreffler tells the grand jury that Thomas Harmon, who headed the campus police, told him to close the inquiry.

1999

Sandusky retires from Penn State's football program, but with an "emeritus" label that allows him continued access to campus facilities, including the locker room and an office in the Lasch Football Building. Schultz has testified that the timing of Sandusky's retirement was not related to the university police investigation a year earlier.

2000

Jim Calhoun, a janitor at the Lasch building, tells a co-worker and his supervisor that he saw Sandusky engaged in sexual activity with a boy in the assistant coaches' shower. The boy, referred to as Victim 8 in court papers, has never been identified.

Calhoun's colleague Ronald Petrosky, who reported seeing Sandusky's car in the parking lot later that night in the fall of 2000, says that members of the janitorial staff were concerned that they might lose their jobs if they spoke out about what had happened.

After Calhoun told his supervisor, Jay Witherite, what he had seen, Witherite told him whom he could report the incident to, if he chose to do so.

2002

A graduate assistant reports seeing Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in the showers at Lasch Football Building on the Penn State campus, around 9:30 p.m. on Friday, March 1. The assault on the boy, who Kelly said "appeared to be about 10 years old," is reported to Paterno the next day. Paterno, in turn, passes the information to Curley one day later.

The graduate assistant, who has since been identified as current Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary, meets with Curley and Schultz, but not Paterno, some 10 days later. According to McQueary, he told them that he had seen Sandusky having sex with a boy in the showers. No report is made to police or to any child protection agency — a breach of state law, prosecutors say.

Two weeks later, Curley tells McQueary that Sandusky's keys to the locker room have been taken away and that the incident was reported to The Second Mile charity.

Sandusky is banned from bringing children onto the Penn State campus in a decision reviewed and approved by Spanier, the university president.

2009

The mother of the boy identified by court papers as Victim 1 calls a high school in Clinton County to report that her son was sexually abused by Sandusky. The school district bans Sandusky from any of its campuses, and the police are notified.

2010

In December, the graduate assistant who had reported the 2002 assault testifies before a grand jury investigating Sandusky, detailing what he saw and what he told Paterno, Schultz and Curley.

And in 2010 or 2011, Victim 7 tells the grand jury that prior to his testimony, he received voice mails from Sandusky, his wife and a friend of Sandusky's. Victim 7 says he did not return any of the calls.

2011

In his Jan. 12 grand jury testimony, Curley says the graduate assistant reported only "inappropriate," not "sexual" conduct, calling the conduct "horsing around."

Also testifying on Jan. 12, Schultz says he met with Curley and Paterno about the abuse allegations. But he tells the grand jury that he was unsure about the details of what had happened and that he thought Sandusky and the boy might have been wrestling when the inappropriate contact occurred.

Saturday, Nov. 5: The investigation into Sandusky, Curley and Schultz becomes public, with prosecutors accusing the former assistant coach of making inappropriate sexual advances or assaults on eight boys, from 1994 to 2009.

Sunday, Nov. 6: Curley and Schultz vacate their university posts following an emergency meeting with school officials.

Monday, Nov. 7: Curley and Schultz are arraigned on charges of making false statements to the grand jury and failing to report the possible abuse of a child.

Wednesday, Nov. 9: Paterno, coming under increasing criticism and pressure to resign in the wake of the Sandusky scandal, announces that he will retire at the end of the 2011 season, when his three-year contract expires. In a statement, Paterno said, "This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

But hours after Paterno made his announcement, the Penn State Board of Trustees announces that it has fired both Paterno and school president Graham Spanier — "effective immediately," according to the board.

In their place, the trustees named executive vice president and provost Rodney A. Erickson as the school's interim president, and assistant coach Tom Bradley as the interim head football coach.

 
an argument in defense of McQueary is that he was just an assistant. he didn't have the power, authority, or responsibility that someone like Paterno and the others had.he made an awful decision not to intervene or call the police himself, and also appears to have remained silent during the cover up. but he likely isn't getting nearly as much heat as the others have.still can't imagine him sticking around the program much longer.
BS.....an eyewitness has far more responsibility to report something like this than someone the eyewitness told about it. Had it been reported in 2002, it's NOT Paterno who would go on the stand, it's McQueary. That's why the vitriol on JoePa is misplaced...THIS IS NOT ABOUT FOOTBALL. Responsibility within the organization is immaterial in a felony case.It's easy to say Paterno should have forced McQueary to go to the cops, and perhaps that criticism is both fair and reasonable, but Paterno shouldn't catch the heat for not calling himself....it's bad enough for him to report secondhand information, but to expect him to report secondhand information for a 30 year friend/surrogate son is an entirely unrealistic expectation.McQueary, the AD and "investigators" at PSU should fry...they should rot in jail next to Sandusky. Firing Paterno may or may not be justified, but the timing and manner of doing so smack of injustice. The others did something illegal. As far as we know, Paterno didn't.WTF is McQueary still on campus...the whole thing smells bad.
 
Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
"A Few Good Men"?
Did you hear they called off the press conference?
 
BS.....an eyewitness has far more responsibility to report something like this than someone the eyewitness told about it. Had it been reported in 2002, it's NOT Paterno who would go on the stand, it's McQueary. That's why the vitriol on JoePa is misplaced...THIS IS NOT ABOUT FOOTBALL. Responsibility within the organization is immaterial in a felony case.It's easy to say Paterno should have forced McQueary to go to the cops, and perhaps that criticism is both fair and reasonable, but Paterno shouldn't catch the heat for not calling himself....it's bad enough for him to report secondhand information, but to expect him to report secondhand information for a 30 year friend/surrogate son is an entirely unrealistic expectation.McQueary, the AD and "investigators" at PSU should fry...they should rot in jail next to Sandusky. Firing Paterno may or may not be justified, but the timing and manner of doing so smack of injustice. The others did something illegal. As far as we know, Paterno didn't.WTF is McQueary still on campus...the whole thing smells bad.
the issue with JoePa and McQueary isn't really a legal issue. It's a moral issue and both of them failed in their duty to protect innocent children.are you an alum? sorry, but this is about football and it is about Paterno.I'd agree that some of the vitriol on Paterno is over the top, but he could have and should have done more. Not sure how you can argue that. He admitted it himself.If Paterno really didn't know about the 1998 investigation, which I find extremely hard to believe, then the biggest remaining issue I have with him is that he let Sandusky continue to hang around the campus with young boys and bring them on trips, host sleepover camps, etc. AFTER he knew about the 2002 incident.
 
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Actually, I'm pretty sure he was still the coach in 2002. He retired AFTER the 2002 incident. That is, retired into a cushy university position which he held till last week, and which allowed him continued use of the facilities.
nope. retired in 1999 after they told him he'd never become the head coach.
Yup, I was mixed up.
He retired from Colorado in 2002.
:lmao:
 
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Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
Fisted? oh, no that's the sequel he wrote from prison.. sorry
 
Btw, is it just me or is the victim numbering screwy and backwards?

Why is the oldest and first victim to be molested named Victim 7? Shouldn't he be Victim 1?

 
Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
"A Few Good Men"?
This really isn't funny and it's sad that you're attempting to make jokes about this.
 
Btw, is it just me or is the victim numbering screwy and backwards?Why is the oldest and first victim to be molested named Victim 7? Shouldn't he be Victim 1?
I assume that is the order they found out about them during the course of the investigation.
 
Btw, is it just me or is the victim numbering screwy and backwards?Why is the oldest and first victim to be molested named Victim 7? Shouldn't he be Victim 1?
They numbered them in the order they found out about them. Victim 1 is the one that came forward and started the investigation. If the do it in chronological order they'd have to change the numbering every other day as new victims come forward.
 
Btw, is it just me or is the victim numbering screwy and backwards?Why is the oldest and first victim to be molested named Victim 7? Shouldn't he be Victim 1?
Numbered in the order reported. They're not going to renumber everyone each time a new victim surfaces.
 
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Hey, I have a question: What's with the victim numbering? Is there anyone here who can answer that?

 
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So are you guys saying they numbered them in the order they were reported?

I hear there's also a book that was written in Colorado.

 
Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
"A Few Good Men"?
This really isn't funny and it's sad that you're attempting to make jokes about this.
I'd tell him that it isn't very christian, but he can't handle the truth.
 
He thinks back to his time at Penn State -- saw Sandusky with kids in the locker room pre-game and thought it was so touching that Sandusky was bringing these troubled kids into the program. Sandusky brought two or three kids to an Eagles game and introduced them to Jackson when he was in PHI. Said he can't believe he saw all of this and never knew anything.Ripped into Paterno and the whole administration. Sounded mature and logical, said a lot of what I was feeling/thinking.

Tells everyone to read the GJ report. Says the President, AD, VP, JoePa and McQueary have done incomprehensible things. There's no debate that Paterno -- "the greatest coach in the history of college football and someone who had a huge impact on my life" -- this hurts my immensely. He had to go.

 
Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
"A Few Good Men"?
This really isn't funny and it's sad that you're attempting to make jokes about this.
I'd tell him that it isn't very christian, but he can't handle the truth.
I strenuously object to this kind of humor.
 
Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
"A Few Good Men"?
This really isn't funny and it's sad that you're attempting to make jokes about this.
I'd tell him that it isn't very christian, but he can't handle the truth.
I strenuously object to this kind of humor.
Strenuously object? Is that how it works?
 
Anyone who knew specifics and covered it up should be fired...period. But the vitriol for the "program" is badly misplaced. This incident has NOTHING to do with the football program, other than the fact that one or two of the people involved were coaches. Sandusky wasn't a part of the program at the time.
I disagree that this has nothing to do with the program.At the very least, there are two direct incidents that link with the program:

1. The alleged 1998 incident happened while Sandusky was an active coach.

2. The 2002 incident was allegedly seen by a graduate assistant at the time and occurred in the football showers. Sandusky had emeritus status, access to the facility, and even an office in the complex. He was not just a random citizen who ended up there.

Another less tangible connection to the program is the disproportionate power, or at least huge presence, of the football program in the overall Penn State institutional infrastructure. It is clearly possible that if even a partial cover-up occurred, i.e. looking the other way, a deal with Sandusky to retire at a fairly early age, etc., it likely occurred to protect the image of the football program. It is possible to conclude that the welfare of the football program was valued higher than the welfare of the institution and/or the pursuit of justice. It also can be argued that the institution, the football program, and the money the football program provides are so tightly intertwined as to not be able to distinguish them from each other. It is possible to almost follow the potential twisted logic that may have been used by President Spanier, et al, to hope that this situation would quietly go away rather than harming all three: the football program, the institution, and the money. Other powerful institutions have already shown that it is possible for people in places of power to protect the institution rather than to pursue justice.
These actions were commited by a predator who happened to be a coach. The 1998 incident (as far as I know) was not known by anyone else in the coaching staff, and the 2002 incident was AFTER he had already left the program. These are deep moral issues that had ZERO to do with the players, or the football team as a whole. They're about the specific individuals, NOT FOOTBALL!
Actually, I'm pretty sure he was still the coach in 2002. He retired AFTER the 2002 incident. That is, retired into a cushy university position which he held till last week, and which allowed him continued use of the facilities.
Steeeeeeerike Two!!

 
It seems like firing McQueary could a little tricky.

University leaders at the time have to go. That's obvious. These are people with power and influence. They had the power to make sure a proper investigation took place or cover it up.

McQueary seems like a different situation. Absolutely, he's a despicable coward. He should resign.

But it sounds like he told the truth to all the people at PSU with the power to do something. They didn't. For all we know, the people in power told him to shut up.

Morally, he can't be excused for his actions, but it seems like PSU would have some legal hurdles in the way of firing him. I could see grounds for a lawsuit if they did.

Maybe I'm way off base.
Would McQueary really dare file for wrongful termination, even if he had a case?
Why wouldn't he?His job prospects will be minimal. The money will come in handy.

Based on reports, he told the most powerful people at PSU the truth about the situation. He didn't try to hide anything. His only power to cover this up would've been to not report it, which he did, to a number of powerful people.

He could easily make the case that he was a victim, of sorts, of the culture created by Paterno and others.

It sounds very likely that he was told to keep quiet.

Not that he'd get any sympathy from me or most others, but legally, I don't see how he wouldn't have a case.
:bs: . He knew what he saw. Whether or not he was told to keep quiet, he knew he saw Sandusky buggering a ten year old and didn't call the police. He saw Sandusky still around the campus and still in the company of boys. He absolutely hid things. His first call should've been to the police, anything else is absolutely hiding an horrific truth.
I meant he didn't try to hide anything from his University superiors (as far as we know).Personally, I think he was strongly encouraged to keep his mouth shut.

I just don't see how they can fire McQ. Maybe they give him a huge stack of money to walk away, but I'm not sure how they can just fire him.

 
Possibly Pimping the kids out?

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

If this is true this is going to be even more massive than it already is.
hey GB, this has been posted maybe a dozen times over the last few pages. just letting you know.
I just heard Sandusky wrote a book. You'll never guess what it is titled.
"A Few Good Men"?
This really isn't funny and it's sad that you're attempting to make jokes about this.
I'd tell him that it isn't very christian, but he can't handle the truth.
I strenuously object to this kind of humor.
Did you order the code red?
 
He had a lot of nice things to say about how Joe impacted his life. And then he literally echoed everything that has been said in this thread concerning the obvious moral culpability of the Curley, Schultz, Paterno, and McQuery. Applauded the BoT for making adult decisions that nobody else seemed capable of in all this.Also mentioned memories of of boys in the locker room for pregame speaches with Sandusky, seeing Sandusky with boys during pregame of a 2001 Eagles-Rams game, etc.

 
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Tyoka Jackson: Paterno kicking this to the Curley... sending it to the AD at Penn State is a kick down. Joe is that school. Joe handpicked his AD successor who then picked Curley. When I was there Curley was just an administrator. That was a kick down.

 
THIS IS NOT ABOUT FOOTBALL.
Why do you keep saying this when nearly everything Sandusky did was related to his access to give perks to kids as part of originally his coaching position and later his emeritus position?Why have you not answered my post that described the integral role of football in the identity of Penn State as an institution, and as I said in that post, the disproportional power of the football program at the institution?Saying the same statement multiple times doesn't make it any more true.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure he was still the coach in 2002. He retired AFTER the 2002 incident. That is, retired into a cushy university position which he held till last week, and which allowed him continued use of the facilities.
nope. retired in 1999 after they told him he'd never become the head coach.
Yup, I was mixed up.
STRIKE TWO!!!
Anyone who knew specifics and covered it up should be fired...period. But the vitriol for the "program" is badly misplaced. This incident has NOTHING to do with the football program, other than the fact that one or two of the people involved were coaches. Sandusky wasn't a part of the program at the time.
I disagree that this has nothing to do with the program.At the very least, there are two direct incidents that link with the program:

1. The alleged 1998 incident happened while Sandusky was an active coach.

2. The 2002 incident was allegedly seen by a graduate assistant at the time and occurred in the football showers. Sandusky had emeritus status, access to the facility, and even an office in the complex. He was not just a random citizen who ended up there.

Another less tangible connection to the program is the disproportionate power, or at least huge presence, of the football program in the overall Penn State institutional infrastructure. It is clearly possible that if even a partial cover-up occurred, i.e. looking the other way, a deal with Sandusky to retire at a fairly early age, etc., it likely occurred to protect the image of the football program. It is possible to conclude that the welfare of the football program was valued higher than the welfare of the institution and/or the pursuit of justice. It also can be argued that the institution, the football program, and the money the football program provides are so tightly intertwined as to not be able to distinguish them from each other. It is possible to almost follow the potential twisted logic that may have been used by President Spanier, et al, to hope that this situation would quietly go away rather than harming all three: the football program, the institution, and the money. Other powerful institutions have already shown that it is possible for people in places of power to protect the institution rather than to pursue justice.
These actions were commited by a predator who happened to be a coach. The 1998 incident (as far as I know) was not known by anyone else in the coaching staff, and the 2002 incident was AFTER he had already left the program. These are deep moral issues that had ZERO to do with the players, or the football team as a whole. They're about the specific individuals, NOT FOOTBALL!
Actually, I'm pretty sure he was still the coach in 2002. He retired AFTER the 2002 incident. That is, retired into a cushy university position which he held till last week, and which allowed him continued use of the facilities.
Steeeeeeerike Two!!
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Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

 
Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.
Done what?
 
saw this mentioned somewhere else probably a few days ago, but it was suggested that part of the reason this was allowed to happen is BECAUSE Paterno was there for so long. People around the program felt safe, like they were untouchable. If you have coaching changes and turnover over time, people don't feel as secure in their environment. But, things had remained basically the same there for decade after decade. People also didn't want to be responsible for ruining something like that so they were pressured, indirectly or directly, to stay quiet and maintain the status quo.

Likely had something to do with Sandusky feeling so confident enough that he was committing his crimes in public facilities. Either he had no fear of being caught, or potentially wanted to be caught. He did say he wished he could get help and that he wished he was dead in 1998. Yet here we are.

 
Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.
Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.
 
Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.
Done what?
Basically saying he was much more sympathetic to McQueary than Paterno. If you want something to get done at Penn State, you go to Paterno. That's what McQueary did. Obviously he could have done more, but he can at least understand McQueary's actions, whereas he couldn't understand Paterno's. He said the reason Penn State was clean for so many years was everyone went to JoePa to get his signoff before anything got done.
 
It seems like firing McQueary could a little tricky.

University leaders at the time have to go. That's obvious. These are people with power and influence. They had the power to make sure a proper investigation took place or cover it up.

McQueary seems like a different situation. Absolutely, he's a despicable coward. He should resign.

But it sounds like he told the truth to all the people at PSU with the power to do something. They didn't. For all we know, the people in power told him to shut up.

Morally, he can't be excused for his actions, but it seems like PSU would have some legal hurdles in the way of firing him. I could see grounds for a lawsuit if they did.

Maybe I'm way off base.
Would McQueary really dare file for wrongful termination, even if he had a case?
Why wouldn't he?His job prospects will be minimal. The money will come in handy.

Based on reports, he told the most powerful people at PSU the truth about the situation. He didn't try to hide anything. His only power to cover this up would've been to not report it, which he did, to a number of powerful people.

He could easily make the case that he was a victim, of sorts, of the culture created by Paterno and others.

It sounds very likely that he was told to keep quiet.

Not that he'd get any sympathy from me or most others, but legally, I don't see how he wouldn't have a case.
:bs: . He knew what he saw. Whether or not he was told to keep quiet, he knew he saw Sandusky buggering a ten year old and didn't call the police. He saw Sandusky still around the campus and still in the company of boys. He absolutely hid things. His first call should've been to the police, anything else is absolutely hiding an horrific truth.
I meant he didn't try to hide anything from his University superiors (as far as we know).Personally, I think he was strongly encouraged to keep his mouth shut.

I just don't see how they can fire McQ. Maybe they give him a huge stack of money to walk away, but I'm not sure how they can just fire him.
There is NOTHING strong enough to encourage anyone from reporting, to the police, that they saw a man raping a boy. NOTHING. He kept his mouth shut while a known rapist was crawling around the campus. No way he shouldn't be fired just like everyone else in this mess.
 
The university gave him and his wife "plus 1" ticket accomodations to bring his "little buddies" to Bowl games for pete's sake

Knowing what they knew, that's grotesque

 
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Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.
Done what?
Basically saying he was much more sympathetic to McQueary than Paterno. If you want something to get done at Penn State, you go to Paterno. That's what McQueary did. Obviously he could have done more, but he can at least understand McQueary's actions, whereas he couldn't understand Paterno's. He said the reason Penn State was clean for so many years was everyone went to JoePa to get his signoff before anything got done.
Ah. Now I see what TJ was saying.
 
Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.
Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.
My moral outrage with McQueary is not doing something when he saw it happen. McQueary is a bigger man than Sandusky and 30 years younger.But again, some people would be fear-ridden or whatever, so I kind of get it.

I think once he told Paterno what happened -- at least, if he told him everything -- at that point, I'm more disappointed in Paterno than McQueary. Paterno could have squashed this like a bug. With McQueary by him self -- without Paterno standing by him -- it would have been an ugly he-said, he-said with a respected elder.

 

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