Walton Goggins
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JoePa wanted to go in front of press but PSU cancelled it
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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)
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Ned
Footballguy
Yeah. Pretty stupid joke.
thanks for the update, Goggins. The last page and a half of posts hadn't mentioned this at all.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I suspect they did some mock press conferences with Paterno behind closed doors and realized it was going to be a disaster. They had to pull the plug.
Parrothead
Footballguy
Did you know Sandusky wrote a book called Touched?
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Thought I was on the last page, just realized I wasn't. Carry on
What press conference?
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yeah, this is dumb. Paterno could walk outside and answer questions if he wanted to. What's the University going to do?
HellToupee
Footballguy
PSU should have cancelled yesterday. As bad as everything is putting an 84yo out there would have been ugly
If Joe really cares about the seniors and the team he should resign before the circus
If Joe really cares about the seniors and the team he should resign before the circus
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Insoxicated
Over under at 13 stepping forward. Real number is probably at least double that.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Call be crazy, but 13 sounds low. This has been going on since at 1998 when he first got caught.
HellToupee
Footballguy
didn't he start the non profit in '77? The flood gates will open
HellToupee
Footballguy
hopefully by the end of the day
most of these kids won't want to step forward. not sure they need to at this point.
wadegarrett
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
The civil lawsuits are undoubtedly coming. People will have a financial incentive to come forward.
shake zula
Footballguy
I don't agree at all. I don't think this situation is anything like Philip Morris. I don't even know what Altria is/was.Systematically enabling Child Rape is about as drastic as it gets... imo, this is a textbook situation for re-branding. Size is not an issue - it is totally realistic, international companies larger than Penn State have re-branded successfully.Does it address the base issue? No. Is it a transparent? You bet. Does it begin the repairing of the PSU image? Absolutely.I hate PR/Marketing stuff like re-branding, but the reality is it works. Philip Morris and their old school logo makes you think of lying about the dangers of smoking for profit. Altria makes you think of, well, nothing. Arthur Andersen makes you think of Enron and their evils. Accenture makes you think of, well, nothing. Penn State makes you think of pedophiles. Im not sure that is going to change any time soon because of how badly they have botched the reaction to this.The other thing a rebranding would accomplish is changing the subject of the conversation. If the higher-ups at PSU ever come to grips with just how severely this has damaged the university, they will definitely discuss it and at least do something functionally equivalent to re-branding with big time image clean-up. Establish the largest foundation for victims of child rape. Give part of the proceeds of the gate for every sporting event to that foundations. And so on.This goes way beyond JoePa stepping down. The delayed reaction has blunted whatever impact that would have as a "we're getting serious about this" message to the public.I doubt anything as drastic as a name change or uniform change is needed. First, it wouldn't really address the issue. That is people would see right through it. Second, it isn't realistic for a school that size. What they do need to do is ask JoPa to step down immediately and take a far more deferential tone. Andat holding a presser but refusing to answer questions on this topic. Must be the same staff as Herman Cain.
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.
Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.
At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.
Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys across a 15-year period, and Paterno has been widely criticized for failing to involve the police when he learned of an allegation of one assault of a young boy in 2002.
Additionally, two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.
Since Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, Penn State — notably its president, Graham Spanier, and Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Sandusky might have been abusing children. Newspapers have called for their resignations; prosecutors have suggested their inaction led to more children being harmed by Sandusky; and students and faculty at the university have expressed a mix of disgust and confusion, and a hope that much of what prosecutors have charged is not true.
On Monday law enforcement officials said that Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Sandusky. But they suggested he might well have failed a moral test for what to do when confronted with such a disturbing allegation involving a child not even in his teens. No one at the university alerted the police or pursued the matter to determine the well-being of the child involved. The identity of that child remains unknown, according to the Attorney General.
Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident, in which Sandusky allegedly sexually assaulted a young boy at Penn State’s football complex, has become a flashpoint, stirring anger among the board members and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.
In recent days Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down.
Paterno came to Penn State in 1950 as a 23-year-old assistant coach making $3,600 a year. He planned to stay for two seasons, to pay off his student loans from Brown University, where he earned a degree in English literature.
He became the head coach in 1966, and he has been widely credited with helping spearhead the Penn State football program and the rest of the university from a local enterprise into a national brand. Along the way, Beaver Stadium grew to 108,000 seats from 29,000 and Penn State’s endowment grew from virtually nothing to more than $1 billion.
What separated Paterno from many of his coaching peers until this week was that he did this with few questions about how he grew the program. Penn State’s lofty graduation rates and education-first ideals, known as Paterno’s Grand Experiment, became as synonymous with the program as its plain uniforms and dominating defenses.
Paterno led Penn State to national titles in the 1982 and 1986 seasons, and he complemented the on-field success with the reputation of a throwback sideline professor, whose tie, thick glasses and black Nike coaching shoes became as predictable in Northeast autumns as the changing foliage.
Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name.
“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.
Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.
At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.
Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys across a 15-year period, and Paterno has been widely criticized for failing to involve the police when he learned of an allegation of one assault of a young boy in 2002.
Additionally, two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.
Since Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, Penn State — notably its president, Graham Spanier, and Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Sandusky might have been abusing children. Newspapers have called for their resignations; prosecutors have suggested their inaction led to more children being harmed by Sandusky; and students and faculty at the university have expressed a mix of disgust and confusion, and a hope that much of what prosecutors have charged is not true.
On Monday law enforcement officials said that Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Sandusky. But they suggested he might well have failed a moral test for what to do when confronted with such a disturbing allegation involving a child not even in his teens. No one at the university alerted the police or pursued the matter to determine the well-being of the child involved. The identity of that child remains unknown, according to the Attorney General.
Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident, in which Sandusky allegedly sexually assaulted a young boy at Penn State’s football complex, has become a flashpoint, stirring anger among the board members and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.
In recent days Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down.
Paterno came to Penn State in 1950 as a 23-year-old assistant coach making $3,600 a year. He planned to stay for two seasons, to pay off his student loans from Brown University, where he earned a degree in English literature.
He became the head coach in 1966, and he has been widely credited with helping spearhead the Penn State football program and the rest of the university from a local enterprise into a national brand. Along the way, Beaver Stadium grew to 108,000 seats from 29,000 and Penn State’s endowment grew from virtually nothing to more than $1 billion.
What separated Paterno from many of his coaching peers until this week was that he did this with few questions about how he grew the program. Penn State’s lofty graduation rates and education-first ideals, known as Paterno’s Grand Experiment, became as synonymous with the program as its plain uniforms and dominating defenses.
Paterno led Penn State to national titles in the 1982 and 1986 seasons, and he complemented the on-field success with the reputation of a throwback sideline professor, whose tie, thick glasses and black Nike coaching shoes became as predictable in Northeast autumns as the changing foliage.
Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name.
“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”
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Insoxicated
On Penn State's FB page someone saying ESPN reporting JoePa is gone.
Donny still think he's going to be back?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
They might be more comfortable thinking that they will be believed at this point.
good point.I guess PSU and the State of Pennsylvania are going to be paying out lots of money in settlements.
exactly.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Oh yeah, I heard about that in X-Men.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Not sure about that. I'm not positive, but I don't think employees of PSU are considered state employees.
Chain of command!
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-scandal-pedophiles-groom-victims/story?id=14896987#.Trln7XJ33To
Patterns of Abuse
Pedophiles come in many forms, but the one who often gets away with sexual molestation and is least understood is the "nice guy" -- not the abusive father or the stranger who kidnaps a child, but the trusted doctor, teacher or coach.
"The media and society tend to over-emphasize stranger danger," according to Ken Lanning, a former FBI agent in the behavioral science unit and author of the book, "Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis."
Lanning said he does not know the facts in the Penn State case but can speak to general characteristics of molesters and their victims.
"I don't want to convict this guy, but these are the cases our society least understands," he said.
Frequently, the "nice guy" molester is a babysitter, next-door neighbor or a Boy Scout leader or parish priest or minister, he said.
"It's hard to believe, because we think of them as ghoulish monsters, who are predatory and horrible and repulsive," said Lanning.
"The nicer you are, the longer you get away with the crime," he said. "It's important in how they work. They spend more and more time with the kids then gradually start to convince themselves that they are helping them."
Children, like Anderson, are also reluctant to report these molesters.
"You would think these guys are the easiest ones to catch," said Lanning. "Kids know his name, they see this guy every day, they know where he lives. You'd think they would call the police and put this guy out of business in less than a week."
But, as in the case of Anderson, these molesters "groom" and manipulate their victims. They lower their inhibitions and seduce them with attention and gifts.
"Most victims are compliant and their molesters don't use force," said Lanning. "The victims feels shame and guilt and embarrassment because they were supposed to yell and tell."
Anderson said society also often dismisses complaints of victimization from boys.
"I had a hard time seeing what had happened to me as appropriately called abuse," he said. "The prevalent idea is that boys take naturally to sex or like sex."
Molesters Prey on Vulnerable Children
Troubled kids are more vulnerable," said Lanning. "There is a greater need for attention and affection."
When they are teens, boys are more "compliant," as well, he said. "They have raging hormones and are at their peak of sexual arousal -- that's what [molesters] take advantage of."
Anderson said the sexual attention from his piano teacher was "especially confusing," and for that very reason he struggled with knowing how to embark on relationships later in life.
So-called "nice guy" molesters also have a great love of children and often set up programs where they can access them.
"The primary reason most of these guys do this, is because they are trying to convince themselves that they are not evil, disgusting perverts and to rationalize and justify what they are doing," said Lanning.
Experts don't know why some men develop a sexual interest in young children and whether it is learned or inherited behavior.
Although much of the research says they are often victims of abuse themselves, Lanning said new research refutes that.
"Why are some men aroused by a 5-year-old?" he asked. "Certain events could have taken place in early development for reasons that we don't understand."
Lanning said often those around the molester see signs, not overt sexual activity -- but "boundary violations" like horsing around in the shower or rubbing a child's back.
Too often such signs are not reported. Camp and school officials should keep records and evaluate the "big picture" when there are suspicions, he said.
Youth organizations have an obligation to keep good records, he said.
"Sometimes it's covered up and sometimes it's damage control and some of it is the good-old-boy network and some of it is ignorance," said Lanning. "But at some point people don't process this information totally."
These molestations can go on for 10 years or more until the molester is either tired of the victim or finds a newer, younger one.
"[The molester] may have a range of boys, like a pipeline," said Lanning. "He is recruiting and looking at new kids who are 10, 11 or 12, then the next stage is grooming and seducing them. The third step is having sex with a boy and the fourth and hardest step is dumping the boy."
Victims often report that the abuser ends the relationship and they feel used when they are no longer getting the attention.
"These cases are difficult to investigate, not only because society doesn't understand, but police don't understand," he said. "Boys who are pushed out are most likely to come forward and tell what is going on."
Pedophiles come in many forms, but the one who often gets away with sexual molestation and is least understood is the "nice guy" -- not the abusive father or the stranger who kidnaps a child, but the trusted doctor, teacher or coach.
"The media and society tend to over-emphasize stranger danger," according to Ken Lanning, a former FBI agent in the behavioral science unit and author of the book, "Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis."
Lanning said he does not know the facts in the Penn State case but can speak to general characteristics of molesters and their victims.
"I don't want to convict this guy, but these are the cases our society least understands," he said.
Frequently, the "nice guy" molester is a babysitter, next-door neighbor or a Boy Scout leader or parish priest or minister, he said.
"It's hard to believe, because we think of them as ghoulish monsters, who are predatory and horrible and repulsive," said Lanning.
"The nicer you are, the longer you get away with the crime," he said. "It's important in how they work. They spend more and more time with the kids then gradually start to convince themselves that they are helping them."
Children, like Anderson, are also reluctant to report these molesters.
"You would think these guys are the easiest ones to catch," said Lanning. "Kids know his name, they see this guy every day, they know where he lives. You'd think they would call the police and put this guy out of business in less than a week."
But, as in the case of Anderson, these molesters "groom" and manipulate their victims. They lower their inhibitions and seduce them with attention and gifts.
"Most victims are compliant and their molesters don't use force," said Lanning. "The victims feels shame and guilt and embarrassment because they were supposed to yell and tell."
Anderson said society also often dismisses complaints of victimization from boys.
"I had a hard time seeing what had happened to me as appropriately called abuse," he said. "The prevalent idea is that boys take naturally to sex or like sex."
Molesters Prey on Vulnerable Children
Troubled kids are more vulnerable," said Lanning. "There is a greater need for attention and affection."
When they are teens, boys are more "compliant," as well, he said. "They have raging hormones and are at their peak of sexual arousal -- that's what [molesters] take advantage of."
Anderson said the sexual attention from his piano teacher was "especially confusing," and for that very reason he struggled with knowing how to embark on relationships later in life.
So-called "nice guy" molesters also have a great love of children and often set up programs where they can access them.
"The primary reason most of these guys do this, is because they are trying to convince themselves that they are not evil, disgusting perverts and to rationalize and justify what they are doing," said Lanning.
Experts don't know why some men develop a sexual interest in young children and whether it is learned or inherited behavior.
Although much of the research says they are often victims of abuse themselves, Lanning said new research refutes that.
"Why are some men aroused by a 5-year-old?" he asked. "Certain events could have taken place in early development for reasons that we don't understand."
Lanning said often those around the molester see signs, not overt sexual activity -- but "boundary violations" like horsing around in the shower or rubbing a child's back.
Too often such signs are not reported. Camp and school officials should keep records and evaluate the "big picture" when there are suspicions, he said.
Youth organizations have an obligation to keep good records, he said.
"Sometimes it's covered up and sometimes it's damage control and some of it is the good-old-boy network and some of it is ignorance," said Lanning. "But at some point people don't process this information totally."
These molestations can go on for 10 years or more until the molester is either tired of the victim or finds a newer, younger one.
"[The molester] may have a range of boys, like a pipeline," said Lanning. "He is recruiting and looking at new kids who are 10, 11 or 12, then the next stage is grooming and seducing them. The third step is having sex with a boy and the fourth and hardest step is dumping the boy."
Victims often report that the abuser ends the relationship and they feel used when they are no longer getting the attention.
"These cases are difficult to investigate, not only because society doesn't understand, but police don't understand," he said. "Boys who are pushed out are most likely to come forward and tell what is going on."
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
CrossEyed
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I really think Paterno's age had alot to do with it. I just think there reaches a point where you can't run an entire organization anymore. He was kind of a figurehead and things happened under his watch that I doubt would happen in the 1970's and 80's.
Kind of like getting advice from your grandfather. Yes, it's something you do when they are in their 60's and still reasonably healthy and 100% alert. But when they are in their 80's, are hard of hearing and starting to lose it a bit...they just can't think things through in the way that they could when they were younger. Paterno might have known it was wrong and felt that he did his duty without having the ability to REALLY reason on it as he might have done when he was younger.
An old person is much more likely to play the "I'll let the young guys handle it" and get out of the way.
He still had a responsibility though, because he's the head coach. I think it shows he wasn't mentally capable enough to run the organization. At least I hope that's what it is. Because otherwise, it looks like he's just as involved as the rest of them and I just find that hard to believe.
Kind of like getting advice from your grandfather. Yes, it's something you do when they are in their 60's and still reasonably healthy and 100% alert. But when they are in their 80's, are hard of hearing and starting to lose it a bit...they just can't think things through in the way that they could when they were younger. Paterno might have known it was wrong and felt that he did his duty without having the ability to REALLY reason on it as he might have done when he was younger.
An old person is much more likely to play the "I'll let the young guys handle it" and get out of the way.
He still had a responsibility though, because he's the head coach. I think it shows he wasn't mentally capable enough to run the organization. At least I hope that's what it is. Because otherwise, it looks like he's just as involved as the rest of them and I just find that hard to believe.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sounds like Paterno is going to be out. Whether or not it's immediate will be the question. That could be why the press conference got canceled.
Sconch
Footballguy
Are you saying Penn State will have to forfeit games because of this?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
At this point, who really cares about that?
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
was this intentional for CNN to call Penn State PEEN State?
http://deadspin.com/5857172/cnn-makes-the-one-typo-you-shouldnt-make-with-sandusky-story
http://deadspin.com/5857172/cnn-makes-the-one-typo-you-shouldnt-make-with-sandusky-story
comfortably numb
Footballguy
If you are deaf, dumb and blind...you can report child rape pretty easily.Sorry,He has pres conferences and when asked about the games he does not start talking about oatmeal and western civilization.He is able and attentive.He is the face of an institution.If he was oblivious to any of this happening, I could see a pass.He was told. He reported it, and did nothing after his higher ups did nothing.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
This didn't just happen last year, you know?
he didn't gain a competitive advantage. this is one of the weirder posts in this thread.
No ncaa violation imo.Much bigger than that.People will not be remembering Paterno for his win totals.
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
I doubt it. Not to sound heartless, but to state facts, these were not violations where the games on the field were effected, nor were players directly effected. There were no illegal benefits or money given to players, and there were no ineligible players on the field of play.I'm no expert, though.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Seems to me the NCAA might want to consider whether he's actually been the "head coach" for the last ten years. The wins would still count for the team, but should they count for someone that wasn't actually doing the coaching?
slippery slope.I don't think Bobby Bowden was doing much coaching at the end of his run either.Heck, Marv Levy's coaching style was to surround himself with good coaches and delegate. Got him into the HOF.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Random thoughts...
I feel bad for anyone who got a degree in public relations from PSU
Paterno absolutely must step down before this weekend's game.
Spanier is a slimy POS, and it boggles my mind that he hasn't been fired yet
Sandusky is a scumbug of the worst kind; McQueary is not too far behind. If McQueary was a good person, this would be eating at him for years and that would be comforting, but I kind of doubt it.
Penn State needs someone to step in and clean house and became the face of the university. Spanier + Paterno are useless.
I feel bad for anyone who got a degree in public relations from PSU
Paterno absolutely must step down before this weekend's game.
Spanier is a slimy POS, and it boggles my mind that he hasn't been fired yet
Sandusky is a scumbug of the worst kind; McQueary is not too far behind. If McQueary was a good person, this would be eating at him for years and that would be comforting, but I kind of doubt it.
Penn State needs someone to step in and clean house and became the face of the university. Spanier + Paterno are useless.
