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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”
They could/should have left that line out.It's clear there's no way he survives this. Only question left is whether or not they let him stick around long enough to coach whatever remaining games PSU has left this season so that he can "retire" at year's end and at least give off the appearance of not admitting wrongdoing.

 
You guys are probably right. Honestly I'm trying not to demonize the guy yet but him being senile is the only way to rationalize it that I can see. Just sad.

 
Not to drift too far off topic, but JoePa will probably lose wins as a result of his involvement or lack there of right? Bobby Bowden lost wins for far less.
:confused: Are you saying Penn State will have to forfeit games because of this?
Not to drift too far off topic, but JoePa will probably lose wins as a result of his involvement or lack there of right? Bobby Bowden lost wins for far less.
At this point, who really cares about that?
I realize that and it is not in any way directly relevant. If JoePa was found to have done something wrong in this situation, would the NCAA act to have games forfeited? Has there been an instance of this before? Something potentially criminal I should say. And I know this does not have to do with player eligibility as was the case with Bowden.
 
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Seems to me the NCAA might want to consider whether he's actually been the "head coach" for the last ten years.
You guys are trying to get someone banned with these set-ups.FYI : I'm not making light of this, I had a good friend who, unbeknownst to me, was molested as a youth by a priest. 20 years later, a few nights after I had drinks with him at the Yale Club in NYC, he stepped in front of his commuter train before work and took his own life. I've seen first-hand the affect this kind of despicable behavior can have on people. I just always try to look for the joke in anything, no matter how heinous.

 
Sounds like Paterno is going to be out. Whether or not it's immediate will be the question. That could be why the press conference got canceled.
I'm guessing the presser dry run was a disaster. And maybe showed just how far away Paterno was from the reality of his situation.
 
I wonder how his wife didnt pickup on this. There had to be signs
They are foster parents. I would bet she's complicit in whatever sick #### he's doing.
Oof - that's a little much to assume.
It's def alot to assume. But a week ago, it was too much to assume that Jerry Sandusky was a child rapist and Joe Paterno helped cover it up. Now?
Now it's definitely a little too much to accuse his wife of complicity in the crimes, without having any evidence to support your accusation. I certainly hope that the police investigate everyone close to Sandusky, but your post sucks until you find some facts to stand behind.
To me his first post reads that all foster parents are pedophiles and sickos.
I read it that way, so I'll stand behind my response.
Ohhh wow, I'm sorry you guys took my statement that way. I think foster parents do a job that is invaluable to our society, and 99.9999% of them are fantastic people for making the choices that they did. I have family that are foster parents and they have the biggest hearts I've seen in a person.What I meant by that statement is that Sandusky used his charity to collect boys to rape, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he used the foster parent system to do the same thing. Foster children are of the most vulnerable people on the planet. Many of them will do anything to keep from going to a group home or a poor foster parent. It just seems like a reasonable MO for Sandusky to use that vulnerability for his own sick ends. Now am I being presumptuous? Yeah. I don't think it's that crazy of an idea, considering what he used his charity for.

 
Sounds like Paterno is going to be out. Whether or not it's immediate will be the question. That could be why the press conference got canceled.
I'm guessing the presser dry run was a disaster. And maybe showed just how far away Paterno was from the reality of his situation.
Or, he refused to hide from any questions and they decided not to send him out. He's old, but I think he's much sharper than a lot of people give him credit for.
 
Ohhh wow, I'm sorry you guys took my statement that way. I think foster parents do a job that is invaluable to our society, and 99.9999% of them are fantastic people for making the choices that they did. I have family that are foster parents and they have the biggest hearts I've seen in a person.What I meant by that statement is that Sandusky used his charity to collect boys to rape, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he used the foster parent system to do the same thing. Foster children are of the most vulnerable people on the planet. Many of them will do anything to keep from going to a group home or a poor foster parent. It just seems like a reasonable MO for Sandusky to use that vulnerability for his own sick ends. Now am I being presumptuous? Yeah. I don't think it's that crazy of an idea, considering what he used his charity for.
We have fostered two children. One we adopted and the other we currently have and are hoping to adopt.Having gone through all of the training and understanding the system first hand, I would be absolutely shocked if this animal didn't abuse some of his foster children. I've been asking this question all along, do we know if the foster kids that spent time in his home have been talked to?
 
Ohhh wow, I'm sorry you guys took my statement that way. I think foster parents do a job that is invaluable to our society, and 99.9999% of them are fantastic people for making the choices that they did. I have family that are foster parents and they have the biggest hearts I've seen in a person.

What I meant by that statement is that Sandusky used his charity to collect boys to rape, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he used the foster parent system to do the same thing. Foster children are of the most vulnerable people on the planet. Many of them will do anything to keep from going to a group home or a poor foster parent. It just seems like a reasonable MO for Sandusky to use that vulnerability for his own sick ends. Now am I being presumptuous? Yeah. I don't think it's that crazy of an idea, considering what he used his charity for.
Obviously fiction, but reading the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was absolutely sickening at times. Nothing worse than someone who takes advantage of a child, and it strikes me as even worse (if that's possible) when doing so as a guardian of sorts for a foster child.
 
Sounds like Paterno is going to be out. Whether or not it's immediate will be the question. That could be why the press conference got canceled.
I'm guessing the presser dry run was a disaster. And maybe showed just how far away Paterno was from the reality of his situation.
Reporter : "Coach Paterno, how do you respond to those who feel your pushing these allegations up the chain of command was in fact, a tacit approval of Mr. Sandusky's behavior and in that respect, makes you complicit in his actions?"Paterno : "Grilled cheese."
 
Many are calling for Paterno to be fired. That’s the least that should occur. The dilemma remains: After the legal process finishes with those subject to criminal sanctions, how does Penn State atone? On one level it cannot restore to the children whose lives were ruined what was taken from them. There’s no apology that would suffice; no civil settlement that could reverse the damage.This is the very definition of corruption — the “impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle : depravity.” And for that, the solution, it seems, must be to excise that corruption from the body of the university and reestablish the purpose and virtue of the institution. End the football program. Let the recruits go elsewhere. Level the stadium or better yet, let it decay and crumble and be an eyesore, a fitting metaphor for the program that was suffused with moral rot.The notion that the university serves the football program should be pulled out by the roots. The university should in essence declare that henceforth there will be no confusing the priorities of the institution.Oh, but the poor players! The athletes who wouldn’t go to college! Nonsense. There are other schools, other teams. College football will survive without Penn State, and Penn State, if it’s more than an excuse for a football team, will survive without football. And if Penn State serves as a permanent reminder ( “Why is it they have no football program?” they may ask decades from now) to those tempted to abuse power, abdicate moral responsibility or lie in pursuit of football victories, then a football-less Penn State would render some service, however paltry compared to the harm it has caused.If what has been reported is true, what other action could be contemplated? And who in good conscience could watch and cheer a program that trampled on so many innocents for so little, for nothing other than pride and greed?
:bow: That's a fantastic idea and posting.
 
Ohhh wow, I'm sorry you guys took my statement that way. I think foster parents do a job that is invaluable to our society, and 99.9999% of them are fantastic people for making the choices that they did. I have family that are foster parents and they have the biggest hearts I've seen in a person.

What I meant by that statement is that Sandusky used his charity to collect boys to rape, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he used the foster parent system to do the same thing. Foster children are of the most vulnerable people on the planet. Many of them will do anything to keep from going to a group home or a poor foster parent. It just seems like a reasonable MO for Sandusky to use that vulnerability for his own sick ends. Now am I being presumptuous? Yeah. I don't think it's that crazy of an idea, considering what he used his charity for.
We have fostered two children. One we adopted and the other we currently have and are hoping to adopt.

Having gone through all of the training and understanding the system first hand, I would be absolutely shocked if this animal didn't abuse some of his foster children.

I've been asking this question all along, do we know if the foster kids that spent time in his home have been talked to?
Big ups to you!If I were investigating this deal, there's no way in hell I'd be finished until those kids are getting interviewed. I can only assume they were.

 
The players shouldn't play either. PSU's nose was cut off a long time ago.
THIS would be interesting. What if the players decided to skip the game in protest of the actions of the so-called 'adults' in charge. I would support them 100%
I'd love to see them dress, then all stay on the sidelines when Paterno tells them to take the field.
That would be amazing to watch.
I think it'd be pointless. Really. This is getting to be like the whole "Occupy Wall Street" thing. Let the kids play football and let the legal system work through the horrid crap with Sandusky.
and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?
If I recall correctly, nobody who did anything illegal has anything to do with the 2011 PSU football coaching staff or players.
 
john feinstein said on Rome that he thinks right now Joe's people are negotiating with PEnn State, trying to get him through the season

just conjecture

 
john feinstein said on Rome that he thinks right now Joe's people are negotiating with PEnn State, trying to get him through the seasonjust conjecture
at this point he'd be too much of a distraction.. how can the team play on Saturday? McQueary has to go too.. I am felling so many different emotions right now- it wasn't supposed to end this way :no: :(
 
OK, just a brief moment of levity in this thread...tweeted by Gerry Sandusky, Baltimore sportscaster:

A great big thank you to my late mom for choosing to spell my first name with a "G".
:lmao:
For the first time ever I feel bad for the people of Sandusky, Ohio.
Tommy Boy was filmed there. That place is one of the coolest places on the planet, just for that mere fact alone.
 
This is correct. My FIL is a professor at a university and if you have to report something, you go through the chain of command, and you trust that the matter is handled thoroughly.
That's such a cop-out. You don't go through the chain-of-command to report a murder.
you know there was another group of people who followed the chain of command and tried to use it as an out to say they were not responsible for heinous crimes committed...but for the life of me I cannot think of who they wereit'll come to me
Oh yeah, I heard about that in X-Men.
:lmao:
 
OK, just a brief moment of levity in this thread...tweeted by Gerry Sandusky, Baltimore sportscaster:

A great big thank you to my late mom for choosing to spell my first name with a "G".
:lmao:
For the first time ever I feel bad for the people of Sandusky, Ohio.
Tommy Boy was filmed there. That place is one of the coolest places on the planet, just for that mere fact alone.
Oh come on, Tommy Boy takes a distant second place to Cedar Point.
 
Wow -

@Ben_Jones88 Scott Paterno, Joe's son, is working on setting up an off-campus presser for Paterno to speak at.

 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?

 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
because there's no way he "knew nothing" about it. the witness went to him first.
 
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OK, just a brief moment of levity in this thread...tweeted by Gerry Sandusky, Baltimore sportscaster:

A great big thank you to my late mom for choosing to spell my first name with a "G".
:lmao:
For the first time ever I feel bad for the people of Sandusky, Ohio.
Tommy Boy was filmed there. That place is one of the coolest places on the planet, just for that mere fact alone.
Oh come on, Tommy Boy takes a distant second place to Cedar Point.
Tough call. The Millenium at CP is the best rollercoaster I've ever ridden.
 
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The players shouldn't play either. PSU's nose was cut off a long time ago.
THIS would be interesting. What if the players decided to skip the game in protest of the actions of the so-called 'adults' in charge. I would support them 100%
I'd love to see them dress, then all stay on the sidelines when Paterno tells them to take the field.
That would be amazing to watch.
I think it'd be pointless. Really. This is getting to be like the whole "Occupy Wall Street" thing. Let the kids play football and let the legal system work through the horrid crap with Sandusky.
and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?
If I recall correctly, nobody who did anything illegal has anything to do with the 2011 PSU football coaching staff or players.
nojoe is clear so far legally

he just failed in the most disgusting way ever to fullfill his duty as a human being to protect a child

much worse to me than many legal failures

 
OK, just a brief moment of levity in this thread...tweeted by Gerry Sandusky, Baltimore sportscaster:

A great big thank you to my late mom for choosing to spell my first name with a "G".
:lmao:
For the first time ever I feel bad for the people of Sandusky, Ohio.
Tommy Boy was filmed there. That place is one of the coolest places on the planet, just for that mere fact alone.
Cedar Point, the amazement park!
 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
He knew enough to have done something to stop it. He failed morally and ethically.
 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
JoePa called anal rape with a boy in the showers "horsing around"
 
Random thoughts...I feel bad for anyone who got a degree in public relations from PSU
:goodposting: I've worked in PR before and had opportunities to get back into the game at the college level. Then stuff like this happens that scares the hell out of me and makes me thankful for how rarely my phone rings at home.
 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
He knew enough to have done something to stop it. He failed morally and ethically.
Joe is an old school scoundrel, guys like Joe, Switzer, Clem Haskins, Calipari, Tressell are all cut from the same cloth. Abuse, cheat and Look the other way and if you keep winning it will go away.

 
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I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
He knew enough to have done something to stop it. He failed morally and ethically.
Ok, some of the older articles state that he knew of one incident and took it to his superiors at PSU. Now I am reading that he should have taken it to the local authorities instead. But really, if this happens once, why wasn't the pedo fired on the spot? Makes no sense, really.

Crazy what people do to continue to win.

 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
He knew enough to have done something to stop it. He failed morally and ethically.
Joe is an old school scoundrel, guys like Joe, Switzer, Clem Haskins, Calipari, Tressell are all cut from the same cloth. Abuse, cheat and Look the other way and if you keep winning it will go away.
You can't really lump those other guys in the same group of Joe. Other guys cheat at college football. Joe kept a child rapist secret.
 
I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?
Legally he's fine, from everything I've read. People are pissed that "report it" is all he did, and rightfully so IMO.
 
OK we all think he is gone

seems inevitable

I would like to see the academic side of the University stand up. Have Student Government and the FAculty Senate pen a joint resolution asking to have Paterno relieved of his duties right away. It is going to happen at some point, why not try and salvage some of the reputation of the university academically

it would be even better coming from the football players, but there is 0 chance of that

 

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