Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Buck Bradcanon]

This story is disturbing. I'm posting under an alias because I want to share an experience from my childhood and get feedback on what, if anything, might be appropriate to do.I got involved in the choir at school when I was in Jr. High. I had a decent voice and really got involved in choir - making all-region, all-state choirs for the next several years. When I was in 10th grade, my Jr. High choir director recommended me to a guy for voice lessons. The guy was relatively well-known locally - he directed a large adult community choir and was a the music director of a prominent local church. Several kids in our high school went to him for private voice lessons including two of my best friends. The guy was as nice as they come...had a great family, adopted kids, wife, big house, etc. During the first year I took lessons, the lessons took place at his house. My friend and I would drive across town - I would do homework while my friend had his 30-minute lesson; then we would swap. Lessons were in the front music room, lots of kids and family members in the house...no big deal.At some point, we started having lessons at his church. I honestly don't remember why, and I don't remember exactly when. But for whatever reason - maybe because of scheduling with other activities I had - I would drive over to his church and have my lesson in the choir room in the basement of the church. At this point, my friends' lessons were on other days, so no one else was with me. The details of how things progressed are foggy (this was nearly 20 years ago), but several times during my lessons, we would be focused on proper breathing. Anyone who has done formal singing knows the importance of breathing from your diaphragm as opposed to your chest. I've had several instructors place their hand on my side during lessons to emphasize the sides expanding when you inhale. This instructor did that and would comment on how tense I was...that I was ticklish, etc. From there, he suggested I needed to let him use a roller on my back to relieve tension. So he takes me to the music library down the hall from the choir room, closes the door and has me lay down on my stomach on a piece of foam. From the very beginning, I was extremely uncomfortable. The first time or two I think he either used a roller device or his hands (probably both) on my shoulders and lower back. The last time this happened, I specifically recall him locking the door to the library, and then after he had started his "massage," asking me to loosen my jeans so he could get to my lower back better. Nothing ever went further than that, because at some point a cleaning person tried to open the door, and I think he got flustered and we left. I don't remember anything ever happening again. Nothing ever happened that would constitute a crime, but it seems in hindsight that's where it likely was headed. I remember driving home that day in a daze going back and forth between "WTF" and "surely I'm just misreading this...he wouldn't do that..." I was not some "Second Mile" kid. I had a great two-parent family, 2-sport athlete, class president, girlfriend, etc. But somehow I let things go as far as they did because I couldn't bring myself to believe that a guy as "good" as this guy would do something like that. I've told my parents and wife about this in the past 20 years, and every time I say out loud what happened, I cringe as to how obvious the indecency of this is from the outside looking in. Even now, my heart started beating faster typing this out. My concern over these many years has been the fact that he's taught hundreds of kids voice lessons. He has since moved away and is a college professor in a neighboring state. If he was willing to push the envelope with a 16-year-old kid like me, what might he have done to a younger kid in a lesser situation? At different times over the past several years, I've wished I could give someone a heads up to just keep an eye on him. Again, though he didn't commit a crime with me, I honestly would be shocked if it didn't happen with someone else. Is there anything you would do in my situation?

I would find some old friends from junior high on facebook and swap stories, to start with. You seem like a reasonably normal human being. For you to have the visceral reaction you're having now - 20 years later - suggests that something more than innocent breathing technique work was going on at the time.

Sorry to hear Old Smoky. Good luck.

 

[CrossEyed]

Huge student rally supporting JoePa is planned tonight outside his house.

Watching some of the coverage of this on the local news. Disgusting. "Hey Joe, we don't care what you did, you've won a lot of football games."

 

[CrossEyed]

Yikes.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being closer to 100.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Apparently joe had another statement ready and was going to answer questions today and the school shut it down. He might do own presser tomorrow. Psu has to be careful as lawsuits are coming big time.

 

[Parrothead]

Huge student rally supporting JoePa is planned tonight outside his house.

Watching some of the coverage of this on the local news. Disgusting. "Hey Joe, we don't care what you did, you've won a lot of football games."

meh.. just 200 kids looking to make the news (out of a student body of 30,000+)

 

[Parrothead]

Apparently joe had another statement ready and was going to answer questions today and the school shut it down. He might do own presser tomorrow. Psu has to be careful as lawsuits are coming big time.

UNCONFIRMED report from ABC affiliate in Harrisburg is he is stepping down..we shall see.. I hope, for the sake of the school, he does.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

Fire Joe Paterno Facebook Page

 

[Joe Summer]

Worse than I thought. So they know of eight victims, I'd have to guess there are at least twice that many if not more. All of this could have been stopped, looks like at least 15 people or so knew about this at one time or another. I can't believe Paterno has not been stepped down or been fired. They might as well just forfeit this weekend.

Paterno will say that he was never aware of all the allegations against Sandusky.And that would mean that either Paterno or McQueary is a liar.And if McQueary is a liar, why is Paterno keeping him on staff?

I don't think that is the case.

Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on aSaturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno calledTim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to hishome the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen JerrySandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to ayoung boy.

According to the grand jury report, McQueary told Paterno "what he had seen".According to Paterno, McQueary "at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report."Those two statements are not compatible, IMO.

 

[Sea Bass]

Yikes.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being closer to 100.

So, until we get all the facts let's just make up random numbers. Why not a million?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Joe summer if it isnt in quotes in that report, it isnt direct testimony. Its the wording the lawyers chose to use in summation. So you cannot determine what McQueary said exactly to joe from that report itself.

 

[Sea Bass]

Wouldn't be suprised if Paterno's lawyer uses the Reagan defense.

 

[comfortably numb]

Apparently joe had another statement ready and was going to answer questions today and the school shut it down. He might do own presser tomorrow. Psu has to be careful as lawsuits are coming big time.

Heard Mike Fransesa say they probably shut that down thinking they don't want him saying anything on the record while he is a Penn St employee.

 

[Joe Summer]

Joe summer if it isnt in quotes in that report, it isnt direct testimony. Its the wording the lawyers chose to use in summation. So you cannot determine what McQueary said exactly to joe from that report itself.

Fair enough. Perhaps the details come out in the trial(s).

 

[Uwe Blab]

In case you guys want to follow the craziness at Joe Pa's house right now:http://twitter.com/#!/jimbaumbach

Ugh. Tools

 

[Sammy3469]

Fox 29 is saying potential victims closer to 20 now

 

[AmosMoses]

Huge student rally supporting JoePa is planned tonight outside his house.

Watching some of the coverage of this on the local news. Disgusting. "Hey Joe, we don't care what you did, you've won a lot of football games."

meh.. just 200 kids looking to make the news (out of a student body of 30,000+)

Over 1000.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Joe summer if it isnt in quotes in that report, it isnt direct testimony. Its the wording the lawyers chose to use in summation. So you cannot determine what McQueary said exactly to joe from that report itself.

Fair enough. Perhaps the details come out in the trial(s).

For sure. McQueary's testmony and cross-exam will be telling. I hear joe's potential presser tomorrow will be off-campus. He loves psu, so i suspect he will fall on his sword if ge has to and hopefully take spanier, curley and scheartz with him. He may protect mcqueary.

 

[AmosMoses]

Yikes.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being closer to 100.

So, until we get all the facts let's just make up random numbers. Why not a million?

A million is too high. 100 sounds about right.

 

[Uwe Blab]

Huge student rally supporting JoePa is planned tonight outside his house.

Ugh.

Annnnnnd there goes national respect for Penn State in my lifetime.

Kids are dumb.

Happy sunshine at Paterno's!

 

[Mario Kart]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?

The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids.

No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.

Carry on.

 

[Parrothead]

Huge student rally supporting JoePa is planned tonight outside his house.

Watching some of the coverage of this on the local news. Disgusting. "Hey Joe, we don't care what you did, you've won a lot of football games."

meh.. just 200 kids looking to make the news (out of a student body of 30,000+)

Over 1000.

link? ever been to JoePa's neighborhood? Kinda tighthere's my link:

200 students

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Boy, am I glad that I didn't go to Penn State.

 

[ArbyMelt]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

Did you read the Grand Jury report? Have you read any articles on what happened? JoePa didn't rape the kids, but think how many kids were raped because JoePa kept silent and didn't pursue the allegations like he should have. The number of victims is now at 20, and keeps climbing. How many of those kids were raped after 1998 and 2002 incidents? If you are JoePa and you get the details about Sandusky in the shower with a 10 year old, how do you let him run overnight camps up until 2009? How do you let him in the athletic buildings last week (after Grand Jury testimony)? JoePa may not be legally responsible, but morally he failed miserably. I'll let more of the facts come out, but there are plenty of facts out already. Read the Grand Jury report.

 

[Joe Summer]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?

The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids.

No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.

JoePa admitted to knowing about an allegation of sexual activity between an adult and a little boy. And not only did he not tell the police, but he allowed the suspect to maintain an office at his facility and a quasi-relationship with the football program for 7 years afterwards.

 

[ODoyleRules]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

Did you read the Grand Jury report? Have you read any articles on what happened? JoePa didn't rape the kids, but think how many kids were raped because JoePa kept silent and didn't pursue the allegations like he should have. The number of victims is now at 20, and keeps climbing. How many of those kids were raped after 1998 and 2002 incidents? If you are JoePa and you get the details about Sandusky in the shower with a 10 year old, how do you let him run overnight camps up until 2009? How do you let him in the athletic buildings last week (after Grand Jury testimony)? JoePa may not be legally responsible, but morally he failed miserably. I'll let more of the facts come out, but there are plenty of facts out already. Read the Grand Jury report.

I read the Grand Jury report and I felt that Sandusky comes off looking a lot worse than Paterno.

 

[FatMax]

I'm sure it's come up in the last 13 pages of this thread but if anyone hasn't read the indictment yet you should. I am on Victim #3 right now and I wouldn't piss on JoPa if was on fire in front of me. Every single person in that indictment that knew what happened has to go, right now. The president of the university should immediately fire every ####### one of them and then resign. This is some incredibly sick stuff and to let it go on and on and on is just inexcusable.

link?

Sorry, figured it was in here already. Either work finehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.htmlhttp://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/264788/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

:X

 

[Leviathan]

Is Sandusky in custody or is he out on bail?

After reading the grand jury report, I wouldn't be surprised if he eats a revolver.

 

[Dragons]

Is Sandusky in custody or is he out on bail?After reading the grand jury report, I wouldn't be surprised if he eats a revolver.

Out on bail.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

This is the right answer.Something as serious as this you had better man up and do the right thing.

 

[JZilla]

JoePa better hope Sandusky doesn't eat a bullet, because if he does Joe is now the full-on face of this thing.

What a horrible mess. And to think we're still at the tip of the iceberg with this deal.

 

[Chase Stuart]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/joe-paterno-addresses-media-and-students-outside-his-home/1

Tuesday night, Penn State football coach Joe Paterno spoke in front of a spontaneous gathering of students - many of whom were chanting, "We love you, Joe" and "Let Joe stay." Students originally organized the rally on Facebook.

Paterno thanked the students for supporting him and said that everyone should say a prayer for alleged victims of a child sex abuse scandal involving former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Paterno in full on spin mode. I look forward to his press conference tomorrow where he thanks the troops for everything they're doing, and that we shouldn't forget it's almost veteran's day.

 

[Mario Kart]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

I get all that but Paterno was going off of what one person, the GA, told him. I am not familiar with the 1998 thing because ESPN and other news sources do not report that or have not yet. Paterno might feel some guilt but why single out Paterno? Those administrators share just as much guilt if not more since they oversee everything. Where is the outcry about them?

 

[CrossEyed]

Yikes.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being closer to 100.

So, until we get all the facts let's just make up random numbers. Why not a million?

He had unlimited access to kids through his charity, local schools, foster system, etc. We know that he was abusing kids for a minimum of 15 years, most likely much longer.100 might be a little low.

 

[Leviathan]

Is Sandusky in custody or is he out on bail?After reading the grand jury report, I wouldn't be surprised if he eats a revolver.

Out on bail.

Considering the horrific things he's being accused of, they should have made the bail unaffordable to him. I understand that this may be a first offense type of thing, but man, if it's true, he shouldn't be allowed to take the easy way out. He needs to rot behind bars for the rest of his life.

 

[Joe Summer]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?

The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids.

No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.

Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

I get all that but Paterno was going off of what one person, the GA, told him. I am not familiar with the 1998 thing because ESPN and other news sources do not report that or have not yet. Paterno might feel some guilt but why single out Paterno? Those administrators share just as much guilt if not more since they oversee everything. Where is the outcry about them?

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[Leeroy Jenkins]

I still cant believe his bail was only $100k and the AD and finance guy's was $75k

 

[Parrothead]

I still cant believe his bail was only $100k and the AD and finance guy's was $75k

same here..

 

[Sinn Fein]

Is Sandusky in custody or is he out on bail?After reading the grand jury report, I wouldn't be surprised if he eats a revolver.

Out on bail.

Considering the horrific things he's being accused of, they should have made the bail unaffordable to him. I understand that this may be a first offense type of thing, but man, if it's true, he shouldn't be allowed to take the easy way out. He needs to rot behind bars for the rest of his life.

I thought I read that he is only facing 7ish years for the current charges. Time might not be long, but they will be difficult if he is convicted.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Joe summer if it isnt in quotes in that report, it isnt direct testimony. Its the wording the lawyers chose to use in summation. So you cannot determine what McQueary said exactly to joe from that report itself.

Fair enough. Perhaps the details come out in the trial(s).

For sure. McQueary's testmony and cross-exam will be telling. I hear joe's potential presser tomorrow will be off-campus. He loves psu, so i suspect he will fall on his sword if ge has to and hopefully take spanier, curley and scheartz with him. He may protect mcqueary.

Im not sure he'll go thru with the off campus presser, but maybe the student mob outside his house will convince him to without regards to his job. I could defintiely see him take down everyone with him except for maybe McQueary

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

JoePa better hope Sandusky doesn't eat a bullet, because if he does Joe is now the full-on face of this thing.

What a horrible mess. And to think we're still at the tip of the iceberg with this deal.

Sadly I think so. I had a hard time imagining this could get worse after reading about the 2002 incident but it looks like it could go back as far as 1998 with the University leadership, including Paterno, knowing what was going and continually covering it up. It wouldn't surprise me if the Governor has to step in before all is said and done.

 

[Hedgehog]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

From what I can peice together from stories: As far back as 1998 there were issues with Sandusky re these type of allegations...a 30 pg report was made internally and he "retired" shortly thereafter - it is very hard to believe that JoePa knew nothing about this considering how close they were and his position at the university. Then 2002 the GA reported another incident....JoePa waits 24 hrs and then kicks it upstairs and doesnt follow up at all...Sandusky continues to have access to facilities - albeit not supposed to bring kids there - JoePa claims ignorance...either the guy is a molester or GA, who is later an assistant coach is a complete liar...again very hard to beleive he is not in the loop given his position at the universitySandusky seen in 2007 at practice with a child....again JoePa pleads ignorance. GA continues to rise up the ranksSandusky access continues at collegeThrow in yet another incident where the janitors witness him Sandusky assaulting a kid and these slimeballs not only dont help the kid but dont report it out of fear of losing their jobs. Based on above it is very hard to believe that JoePA did not know what was going on...the 2002 incident alone is damning where he admits hearing about sexual contact between his friend and a boy and doesnt go to police or follow up. Taken at his own words he failed to follow up to see who the boy is or if hes ok. At best he has failed as an educator, coach and human by doing the bare minimum under the law and must go as a rep of the collegeAt worst he knew about this for over a decade and tried to cover it up ala Catholic church and as a result many more children were violated. Truth may be somewhere in between which is not a good place to be. Only ones worse are the people indicted, janitors who were too scared to be men and the GA who walks in on a child being raped and walks away without helping to call his dad....As it was said...no heroes here....worst stopry I have ever heard and it happened on JoePa's watch. I dont care how many college kids are impressed with the JoePa legend...millions of parents and decent people understand what he did....its indefensible.

 

[Joe Bryant]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

 

[Sea Bass]

Yikes.

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being closer to 100.

So, until we get all the facts let's just make up random numbers. Why not a million?

He had unlimited access to kids through his charity, local schools, foster system, etc. We know that he was abusing kids for a minimum of 15 years, most likely much longer.100 might be a little low.

When Big Ben was accused of rape did you speculate that he must have been guilty of 100 crimes?

 

[Leviathan]

Is Sandusky in custody or is he out on bail?After reading the grand jury report, I wouldn't be surprised if he eats a revolver.

Out on bail.

Considering the horrific things he's being accused of, they should have made the bail unaffordable to him. I understand that this may be a first offense type of thing, but man, if it's true, he shouldn't be allowed to take the easy way out. He needs to rot behind bars for the rest of his life.

I thought I read that he is only facing 7ish years for the current charges. Time might not be long, but they will be difficult if he is convicted.

I'm not sure how much time he's facing if convicted. As more victims come forward, I'd think that that would up the ante.

 

[Popinski]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

Saw this on another board. Definitely makes me curious, but may not be much more than that.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

The DA not moving forward with charges probably meant the victim didn't want to testify.I don't think it is likely that his disappearance is in anyway connected.

 

[Kenny Powers]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

I saw that article earlier and remember reading about the disappearance first hand when I was a student at PSU in the school paper. This article strikes me as mostly speculation and a lot of sensationalizing to get more readers and have people say "wow!, this goes futher than anyone knew"Im no attorney, but Im guessing the DA didnt have enough evidence to charge Sandusky then.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

without reading all 27 pages, If the police knew about this, and knew for years, why all of the focus on the Penn State officials?

 

[Dragons]

I'm having a difficult time figuring out why there is so much disdain for JoePa in this. The GA saw what was going on and he chose to tell who? His father that night and then Paterno the following day, correct? What else did Paterno know about Sandusky?The questions that should be asked is, "who knew what and when?" It sounds like there were many suspicions before 2002, correct? What kind of evidence was there before that time and who knew it? It seems people are ready to burn Paterno at the stake. News flash, he didn't rape the kids. No, I am not making excuses but we have all been a witness to a crime that we have not reported to police in the past. Granted, these actions are much more troublesome than stealing a candy bar, but why don't we wait till the dust settles before flaming away.Carry on.

When you know about kiddie rape and basically ignore it, you share a little bit of guilt for every other kid that guy gets to before he finally gets found out. Sitting on your hands about this isn't quite as disgusting as the act itself, but a vile, wretched thing to do to children.

I get all that but Paterno was going off of what one person, the GA, told him. I am not familiar with the 1998 thing because ESPN and other news sources do not report that or have not yet. Paterno might feel some guilt but why single out Paterno? Those administrators share just as much guilt if not more since they oversee everything. Where is the outcry about them?

There is no cry out about the admins because they're going to get theirs. They've actually been charged with crimes.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

The DA not moving forward with charges probably meant the victim didn't want to testify.I don't think it is likely that his disappearance is in anyway connected.

Did hey interview PSU officials? Did those officials lie? Did they strike a deal to keep it quiet if Sanduskey stepped down?

How did the victims famies react? The whole thing boggles the mind