Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[snitwitch]

It really does appear that their belief is that if we delay any decision long enough this thing will die down.I can't imagine an institution handling a crisis more poorly...except maybe for the Roman Catholic Church. Seems like maybe Penn State is using their blueprint here.

If this had been an isolated incident, then I think it would be possible for the situation to settle down to the point where Paterno could salvage his job. (Which I guess is all that Penn State cares about at this point.)But surely the people running PSU must realize that this is just the tip of the iceberg, right? We ARE going to see more victims who had direct ties to PSU. Someone's going to dig up photographs of victims in the PSU locker room, maybe even posing with Paterno. Something that was 100% innocent at the time will become the symbol of a scandal.This scandal could dismantle the PSU football department, the athletic department, the campus police, and maybe the entire administration.

And it will end up worse for them if they don't clean house ASAP.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Kovacevic: They all must goBy Dejan KovacevicPITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEWWednesday, November 9, 2011The faculty doesn't deserve this. The researchers who this very week announced progress in preventing kidney failure don't deserve this. Neither do the 80,000 students or the 550,000 living alumni, including a nationwide high of 22,000 in Allegheny County.

Off topic, but PSU only has 550k living alumni?! They probably graduate, including branch campuses, 20-25k every year, no? I would think the living alumni is more like 1.5+ million

When you include the fact that Penn State's graduating class increases pretty well each year and was far from 20-25k from every year over the past 50 years and the fact that people die, 500K living alumni looks like a pretty big number to me.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Paterno's life needs to turn into that movie Benjamin Button. Only at the end when he's like 12 and all wigged out, instead of old a#s Cate Blanchett moving in and taking care of him, Jerry Sandusky adopts him and introduces him to shower wrestling time.

 

[tommyboy]

Said yesterday that PSU doesnt get how big and how much bigger this story really is. They still dont. It will cost them tens or hundreds of millions when alls said and done.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Kovacevic: They all must goBy Dejan KovacevicPITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEWWednesday, November 9, 2011The faculty doesn't deserve this. The researchers who this very week announced progress in preventing kidney failure don't deserve this. Neither do the 80,000 students or the 550,000 living alumni, including a nationwide high of 22,000 in Allegheny County.

Off topic, but PSU only has 550k living alumni?! They probably graduate, including branch campuses, 20-25k every year, no? I would think the living alumni is more like 1.5+ million

When you include the fact that Penn State's graduating class increases pretty well each year and was far from 20-25k from every year over the past 50 years and the fact that people die, 500K living alumni looks like a pretty big number to me.

I factored in deaths when I thought about the number, but if they graduate 25k every year (it might be more for all I know), 550k is reached in 18 years. Certainly all these grads arent still living, but Id guess its much closer to 1+ million than the 550K Dejan put out there.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Kovacevic: They all must goBy Dejan KovacevicPITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEWWednesday, November 9, 2011The faculty doesn't deserve this. The researchers who this very week announced progress in preventing kidney failure don't deserve this. Neither do the 80,000 students or the 550,000 living alumni, including a nationwide high of 22,000 in Allegheny County.

Off topic, but PSU only has 550k living alumni?! They probably graduate, including branch campuses, 20-25k every year, no? I would think the living alumni is more like 1.5+ million

When you include the fact that Penn State's graduating class increases pretty well each year and was far from 20-25k from every year over the past 50 years and the fact that people die, 500K living alumni looks like a pretty big number to me.

I factored in deaths when I thought about the number, but if they graduate 25k every year (it might be more for all I know), 550k is reached in 18 years. Certainly all these grads arent still living, but Id guess its much closer to 1+ million than the 550K Dejan put out there.

Over all campuses, Penn State has ~77K undergrads, so 25K graduates for 2011 is too many. As for past years, how many undergrads were their at Penn State say 20 years ago in 1991? Probably a lot less than 77K, so the amount of graduates would be way under 25K a year when the amount of undergrads was say ~50K. 1+ million is out of the question imo.

 

[Ladsud]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811

Up to 17 boys now, seeing all those kids support and have a rally for Paterno makes me sick. Guess its a sign of the times eh, lets support a guy that covers a pedos trail for probably 20 years.

Just sick, #### penn state

 

[randall146]

One point I haven't really seen mentioned is that - again depending on what he knew and when - JoePa wasn't just a guy who knew about this and didn't report it. He was the one providing Sandusky with all the perks and access to the program to begin with, stuff that allowed Sandusky to get easy access to these kids. For little kids a pervert seduces them with candy and ice-cream. To 8-13 year old boys access to the players and sidelines, jerseys, and sports equipment is a powerful "bait" for the pervert.

Again it depends on facts we don't know about yet, but JoePa was ultimately the one who allowed Sandusky access to the tools he used to repeatedly prey on these needy naive children. That gives JoePa way more responsibility that someone who merely witnessed a single incident and failed to report it.

 

[Truman]

Who cares about Paterno really? Such a minor part of this story and the entire focus seems to be on him. We don' t even know what he was told or knew. How is it we still know next to nothing about second mile and Sarduskys involvement in that?

 

[randall146]

Who cares about Paterno really? Such a minor part of this story and the entire focus seems to be on him. We don' t even know what he was told or knew. How is it we still know next to nothing about second mile and Sarduskys involvement in that?

Well first, he's the most famous out of everyone involved so of course a lot of attention is on him. Second, the others have been indicted, so there's less "need" to focus on them.

 

[pantherclub]

Now theyre saying thousands of students outside of Beaver Stadium supporting Paterno, and ESPN reporting the PSU trustees saying Paterno will coach for the rest of the year.

Wow..After the last couple days, I didnt expect to see JoePa to even coach this weekend

If true thats sickening.

I think PSU falls of the map after this disgusting episode. JoePa built it up and nuked it down.

 

[gethugefast1]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event? "Got that child molestation thing under control Jerry?" Do you suppose JoePa would allow his grandchildren to spend the weekend with Mr. Sandusky? Of course not. He's a rapist. Paterno was helping his friend from getting in trouble at the expense of 8 children. We sent Michael Vick away for dog fighting - what is the penalty for allowing children (special needs children at that) to be raped under the reign as head football coach? And Penn State students are standing behind him??? Check your morals kids - there's no gray area here.

 

[Twilight]

Now theyre saying thousands of students outside of Beaver Stadium supporting Paterno, and ESPN reporting the PSU trustees saying Paterno will coach for the rest of the year.

Wow..After the last couple days, I didnt expect to see JoePa to even coach this weekend

If true thats sickening.

I think PSU falls of the map after this disgusting episode. JoePa built it up and nuked it down.

Recruits are definitely going to think twice about coming to the school when EVERY away football (and Basketball and every other sport) game from here out for years to come will have Pedobear pictures and other similar signs, chants, etc. The circus is going to be ongoing for years.

 

[comfortably numb]

Now theyre saying thousands of students outside of Beaver Stadium supporting Paterno, and ESPN reporting the PSU trustees saying Paterno will coach for the rest of the year.

Wow..After the last couple days, I didnt expect to see JoePa to even coach this weekend

If true thats sickening.

I think PSU falls of the map after this disgusting episode. JoePa built it up and nuked it down.

I don't care about your record, your legacy, your chances for a bowl etc...

You have to take into account the safety of the current staff and players as you send them into a potential dangerous situation with crowd of 100k+ screaming drunken fans in Ohio and Wisconsin in the next 2-3 weeks.

My whole life I have made it a point to not judge people by their mistakes, but how they handle the mistakes they have made.

Penn State has done many horrid mistakes in not treating this properly over the past 20+ years.

Now with the world watching them, they are still in damage control mode and self preservation.

Every selfish act this university takes in these days, is another scar into the countless victims who had no voice 10-20 years ago, and are re-living not having someone stand up for them, when these kids felt they could not stand up for themselves.

 

[Truman]

Who cares about Paterno really? Such a minor part of this story and the entire focus seems to be on him. We don' t even know what he was told or knew. How is it we still know next to nothing about second mile and Sarduskys involvement in that?

Well first, he's the most famous out of everyone involved so of course a lot of attention is on him. Second, the others have been indicted, so there's less "need" to focus on them.

Spanier hasnt been indicted. He's given them his unconditional.support. Even if found guilty of perjury and protecting a pedofile they will still have a supporter in Spanier.

 

[Truman]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

 

[Sinn Fein]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

Pun intended?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Now theyre saying thousands of students outside of Beaver Stadium supporting Paterno, and ESPN reporting the PSU trustees saying Paterno will coach for the rest of the year.

Wow..After the last couple days, I didnt expect to see JoePa to even coach this weekend

If true thats sickening.

I think PSU falls of the map after this disgusting episode. JoePa built it up and nuked it down.

Recruits are definitely going to think twice about coming to the school when EVERY away football (and Basketball and every other sport) game from here out for years to come will have Pedobear pictures and other similar signs, chants, etc. The circus is going to be ongoing for years.

At some point they will probably change the school mascot to Pedobear

 

[gump]

Maybe this is unrealistic, considering the players age and sheltered world they exist in right now...

But if I'm a Team Leader...I don't let anyone associated with this story in my locker room, including Paterno. The players take it over and coach themselves if necessary.

 

[dgreen]

Said yesterday that PSU doesnt get how big and how much bigger this story really is. They still dont. It will cost them tens or hundreds of millions when alls said and done.

I generally try to shy away from blowing up current events into ALL TIME EVENTS, but this is the biggest non-sports sports story since...?I'm actually surprised this isn't getting more air time than Herman Cain on the basic news programs.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

One point I haven't really seen mentioned is that - again depending on what he knew and when - JoePa wasn't just a guy who knew about this and didn't report it. He was the one providing Sandusky with all the perks and access to the program to begin with, stuff that allowed Sandusky to get easy access to these kids. For little kids a pervert seduces them with candy and ice-cream. To 8-13 year old boys access to the players and sidelines, jerseys, and sports equipment is a powerful "bait" for the pervert.Again it depends on facts we don't know about yet, but JoePa was ultimately the one who allowed Sandusky access to the tools he used to repeatedly prey on these needy naive children. That gives JoePa way more responsibility that someone who merely witnessed a single incident and failed to report it.

I believe all former coaches and players have access to the football facility. I dony think Joe bestowed upon him emiterus status. From an earlier post that stated joe and sandusky havent spoken more than once since 99 i doubt their offices are near each other at all. Also joe didnt provide him access to the kids, nor did psu. The kids all came through the Second Mile charity that sandusky himself founded in 1977.

 

[SwampDawg]

Spanier reported to be replaced by former Gov. Tom Ridge.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Spanier reported to be replaced by former Gov. Tom Ridge.

Are you kidding me? It better be as interim president.

 

[gethugefast1]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

There are accounts that they have spoken exactly once since sandusky "retired" in 99. Whether thats because of a major grudge or because joe distanced himself from him due to the 98 charges is a good question. Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

 

[pantherclub]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

There are accounts that they have spoken exactly once since sandusky "retired" in 99. Whether thats because of a major grudge or because joe distanced himself from him due to the 98 charges is a good question. Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

Please dont spew that pro Paterno BS in here. If you believe what you posted above then I fear for you in the real world.

 

[comfortably numb]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

There are accounts that they have spoken exactly once since sandusky "retired" in 99. Whether thats because of a major grudge or because joe distanced himself from him due to the 98 charges is a good question. Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

ooof

what irony.

"but he is old and senile and doesn't know what is going on?!?!?!"

 

[Truman]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

The post earlier in this thread indicated they have spoken once since Sandusky retired. You have better info?

 

[AAABatteries]

Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

ooof

what irony.

"but he is old and senile and doesn't know what is going on?!?!?!"

"No sex with other consenting adults! Little kids are ok though."

 

[nysportsfan]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

The post earlier in this thread indicated they have spoken once since Sandusky retired. You have better info?

Why is that?

 

[AmosMoses]

Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

ooof

what irony.

"but he is old and senile and doesn't know what is going on?!?!?!"

"No sex with other consenting adults! Little kids are ok though."

Paterno is very old fashioned.

 

[beavers]

Why is the shower incident softened by the reference of sexual assault?

Why not call it what it is ... rape?

 

[Parrothead]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend..

There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.

I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

 

[bushdocda]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

Agreed, really difficult to envision McQ on the sidelines. I think they will both hide in the box if they are still with the program/school Saturday.

 

[AmosMoses]

Why is the shower incident softened by the reference of sexual assault? Why not call it what it is ... rape?

That's the world we live in. People don't die any longer either. They are like kidney stones, they pass.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Why is the shower incident softened by the reference of sexual assault? Why not call it what it is ... rape?

language is extremely important here. Child can not give effective consent to any sexual contact with adults. ANY sexual activity between a child and adult is rape, period. The practice of using euphemisms only helps create a situation where a serial child rapist can be caught in the act and allowed to continue their heinous practices.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend..

every single step of the way, PSU's reaction has resoundingly reminded us of the culture that created this scandal in the first place.

 

[AmosMoses]

So Mike and Mike stated that Pedo State's trustees have formed a committee to deal with this. They suggested that it's a stalling technique that may keep Paterno around for a while.

 

[Ocram]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

Who's gonna get rid of them? The ones guilty are the ones in charge.Think about it for a moment. How does Penn State go about "cleaning house"? Who has enough clout to pull that off that isn't involved in this?Registrar: "Ok, Mr. President, Joe Paterno, and all of your staff....pack up your things and get out"

 

[AmosMoses]

Really waiting for someone at Pedo State to step up and do the right thing. Just once.

 

[pantherclub]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

I hate ESPN as much as the next person but I really doubt they are "loving" this at all. Everyone seems to be disgusted by having to report on it. I know what you are trying to say though.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

There are accounts that they have spoken exactly once since sandusky "retired" in 99. Whether thats because of a major grudge or because joe distanced himself from him due to the 98 charges is a good question. Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

Please dont spew that pro Paterno BS in here. If you believe what you posted above then I fear for you in the real world.

What are you even talking about? I can give any opinion or anecdote that I see fit. If anything I am alluding to Joe being aware of the 98 charges and those being one of the main factors in Joe deciding to call Sandusky into his office that year to inform him that he will never be the head coach at PSU and then choosing to avoid him because he is a piece of #### and therefore should have known better in 2002 when McQueary decided to call his dad and Joe after witnessing something rather than taking it into his own hands to save that boy or call the police.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

Who's gonna get rid of them? The ones guilty are the ones in charge.Think about it for a moment. How does Penn State go about "cleaning house"? Who has enough clout to pull that off that isn't involved in this?Registrar: "Ok, Mr. President, Joe Paterno, and all of your staff....pack up your things and get out"

The President etc. serve the board of trustees.

 

[AmosMoses]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

Who's gonna get rid of them? The ones guilty are the ones in charge.Think about it for a moment. How does Penn State go about "cleaning house"? Who has enough clout to pull that off that isn't involved in this?Registrar: "Ok, Mr. President, Joe Paterno, and all of your staff....pack up your things and get out"

The Trustees of the university met last night, but apparently even the people most in charge don't have the balls to make that call.

 

[beer 30]

is this just the case of the good ol' boys network protecting an old rich white guy?

Yes

Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

But allowing Sandusky to bring 10 year olds to bowl games and stay with him was cool. Stop itThere is another reason this occurred that is being overlooked. These guys all grew up together. Mike & Mike had this guy on this morning detailing how the Paterno, McQueary & Sandusky kids all grew up together, went to the same schools, played on the same teams, etc. McQueary idolized this guy, his dream was to grow up, play QB at Penn State and coach there. Everybody is covering for everybody. Mike & Mike had Todd Blackledge on as well and to hear him, man, he was speechless. I don't necessarily care for him as an announcer but to hear the utter despair in his voice was very telling.

And to anyone who hasn't read the indictment yet, let's be clear on what McQueary witnessed. It wasn't some old man playing slap & tickle with a young boy, he was sodomizing him! It is hard to confuse that act with "horse play". Any of the 7-8 adults that were in power at the time and heard McQueary's account of what happened and try to brush it off as "horse play" or even inappropriate contact should be punched square in the face. Sodomy is about as deliberate an act as there is, there is no confusing that with "horse play" and everything I read in the indictment points to him explicitly detailing this to everyone he told.

That said, ho he sleeps at night I don't know. Above all else, the job, the friendship, the relationship to Paterno & PSU, when a man see's a child being abused a man needs to step in and stop it. McQueary did not, he certainly did not commit these heinous acts but he is just as complicit with them as anyone he told. I'll say it again, Spanier (the president) needs to immediately fire every single one of them and then resign.

 

[pantherclub]

So Mike and Mike stated that Pedo State's trustees have formed a committee to deal with this. They suggested that it's a stalling technique that may keep Paterno around for a while.

Bilas had a great point. How can he coach if they will not allow him to speak? (which I think is a cop out reason from Joe) If he wanted to talk he can get on his front porch again. He is just trying to get the best possible angle for his side of the story.

 

[Parrothead]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

Who's gonna get rid of them? The ones guilty are the ones in charge.Think about it for a moment. How does Penn State go about "cleaning house"? Who has enough clout to pull that off that isn't involved in this?Registrar: "Ok, Mr. President, Joe Paterno, and all of your staff....pack up your things and get out"

good point. I was hoping the BOT would place everyone involved on a "leave of abscence" until futher notice while they investigate.

 

[Parrothead]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

I hate ESPN as much as the next person but I really doubt they are "loving" this at all. Everyone seems to be disgusted by having to report on it. I know what you are trying to say though.

poor choice of words on my part, but you can't deny this will be a ratings bonanza..

 

[Ocram]

Serious question: Do we we know the Board of Trustee isn't involved in this either? Could that conceivably be possible as well?

 

[pantherclub]

I just don't understand who at the University thinks it is a good idea to let Paterno and McQueary coach this weekend.. There could be riots and fights in the stadium between our own fans.I'll bet ESPN is loving this one from a ratings perspective. At this point, how can you NOT watch?

I hate ESPN as much as the next person but I really doubt they are "loving" this at all. Everyone seems to be disgusted by having to report on it. I know what you are trying to say though.

poor choice of words on my part, but you can't deny this will be a ratings bonanza..

I knew where you were going with it, no problems.