Mookie
Footballguy
That last sentence was the one that struck me.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter PoliSciGuy
- Start date
dgreen
Footballguy
And they're claiming this investigation will be done Friday? What's Friday?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
A lifetime of good will CAN be erased or overpowered by a single (in)action.and yet stood aside while who knows how many children were harmed on PSU campus. This past week has shown the only thing he's really concerned about is his legacyI think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.
They cheered him.Loudly.
It was one of the more disturbing things I've seen in a while.
That's how far off the track this thing is. He's in the middle of a bubble that is completely disconnected from reality.
J
Last edited by a moderator:
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I don't know, but if the NCAA is concerned about lack of institutional control I think this situation would clearly fall under that umbrella.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Sandusky's done. He's fired, he's going to jail for the rest of his life. What else is there to say? The question is about the enablers, and even then, 2 of the biggest are already busted for their part in it. So the discussion naturally turns to the people who seem to be escaping justice, JP and the chicken#### who didn't stop the boy from being raped. Allowing those 2 guys to continue is an outrage based on just the grand jury report alone.No kidding...Sadly it's become a full on schadenfreude orgy here for a handful of posters.What I'm saying is that this has become a witch hunt. "Kill 'em all" is the basic mantra, regardless of intent or anything else. What gets me is that if you read this thread, Paterno and McQueary's names come up 10x more than Sandusky's. I get the anger over the issue, but anyone who thinks that cancelling the season or any of the other completely hair-brained ideas is going to somehow make things better is nuts. It just goes back to the fact that America loves their heros, but they love scandals that bring them down more.
belljr
Footballguy
It's a state institution so they can't act without a full vote etc etc. They have met and their regular meeting is Friday. Since it's a state school there are guidelines and rules that have to be followed. Basic political red tape BS.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
GTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
No, they're going to form the committee on Friday. Given PSUs track record on this thing, I'm guessing the investigation will take another three years or so.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The red seems like a really bad thing as well.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
It's not a state school, it's a state-related school. They operate independently.
Socrates11
Footballguy
If it's a 'state school', can say, the governor of the state force them to meet and take action? Or take action himself? Penn State is diminished as a higher level university every hour no action is taken in this case. This will affect them at all levels, not just in sports.
Last edited by a moderator:
belljr
Footballguy
You're right. Man that makes it worse. I always thought they were a state school. UGH
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
but I say that's one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a while.J
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
A crime was seen being committed against a young boy and the university did not report it to the police.IMHO that mean that the people involved are accomplices - forget about lack of institutional control. Why are the police not directly questioning Joe Pa in an interrogation room? Why are they handling this with kid gloves?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
They do get a certain % of their operating budget from the state. So perhaps there is the opportunity to pull that money away from them. But you know how long that kind of thing would take.
belljr
Footballguy
I was wrong it's not an actual state school, it's state related. There is a difference. I still stand by political BS though
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
He admitted that he didn't do more so why in the #### is he going to be able to coach the rest of the season? 
culdeus
Footballguy
Because he's old and his lawyers will advise him to not say anything until he's charged. It is pointless and would just serve to undermine the investigation that has been going on for 3 years.
timschochet
Footballguy
I've been hearing some criticism of the Penn State students on the radio this morning, the ones who went to Paterno's house last night and shouted their loyalty.
I don't think this group should be criticized. This is human nature. Someone whom they regard as "one of their own" is under attack nationally, and the common reaction is to rally around him. Bob Knight received the same treatment. Given all of the facts and time to reflect, I'm betting that many if not most of these students will come to regret the fact that they were such vocal supporters of Paterno once this story broke. But let's not blame them for reacting emotionally in the initial stages.
I don't think this group should be criticized. This is human nature. Someone whom they regard as "one of their own" is under attack nationally, and the common reaction is to rally around him. Bob Knight received the same treatment. Given all of the facts and time to reflect, I'm betting that many if not most of these students will come to regret the fact that they were such vocal supporters of Paterno once this story broke. But let's not blame them for reacting emotionally in the initial stages.
dgreen
Footballguy
We don't know that he will. He said he's going to retire at the end of the season. Theoretically, it sounds like the Board of Trustees can decide differently. You know, when they get around to it.He admitted that he didn't do more so why in the #### is he going to be able to coach the rest of the season?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I've got two thoughts, which I'll make into two posts. One trying to put into perspective the crowd of PSU students and another my theory on why this is even worse than it looks.
As for the Penn State students, I think they're an easy target. You can say they're young, dumb and drunk, and that's probably at least half right. It should go without saying that PSU students aren't in favor of child rape. Penn State students run the single largest philanthropic student-run organization in the entire world. Last year ALONE, PSU students raised $10M for children with cancer.
So why are the supporting Paterno? I think they are reacting to what they seem is an unfair response by the media, which I can understand (if not agree with). Let's rank the cast of characters from most despicable to least:
Sandusky
ENORMOUS GAP
McQueary
Spanier, the President of the school, who covered this up
Curley, the AD, who helped cover this up
Paterno, the HC, who reported it to the AD and the President
You can also throw PSU campus police and the regular police force on there, as they at least played a part in this (either in covering up or failing to prosecute). Not sure where they go on the list, but there's no doubt that police played a part in letting Sandusky roam free.
Now, where is the media outrage directed?
99% at Paterno. People are almost skipping over Sandusky, perhaps because it's so obvious that he ranks in the second most innercircle of hell, behind the Hitlers of history. McQueary? Nothing. Spanier and Curley? A little outrage. Paterno is by far getting most of the criticism.
He's certainly taking for more heat than anyone else, and it's disproportionate to what he did. I can see how some Penn Staters might feel like the national media, which probably couldn't place State College on a map, now wants to go in and lynch State College's patron saint. Why isn't the national media ripping Sandusky and Spanier and the police with as much fire?
The obvious answer, of course, is that no one really cares about Sandusky or Spanier. And that's just a sad raelity of our times. If we find out some pedophile in Ohio was doing this to kids but was an accountant, this would be a minor, minor story. There would be no national media.
Personally, I understand that being the big dog brings the good and the bad. Just like when in football the QB is given too much credit when he wins and too much blame when he loses; well, Paterno was given so much praise and credit for decades, I have no problem with him now experiencing perhaps too much blame now. The focus shouldn't be squarely on him, but heavy is the heard who wears the crown. I've got no issue with that.
But to a school with 50,000 people, don't be surprised that 500 of them are angry that JoePa is being made out to be public enemy no. 1. I can at least understand their perspective, and the actions of one or two percent of the campus should not reflect poorly on the students as a whole. In general, Penn State students are pretty stand up people and have a reputation for being as so. I'm sure the majority of the students are incredibly disappointed with Paterno's actions, and I'm sure the entire 50,000 students think Sandusky is the scum of the earth.
As for the Penn State students, I think they're an easy target. You can say they're young, dumb and drunk, and that's probably at least half right. It should go without saying that PSU students aren't in favor of child rape. Penn State students run the single largest philanthropic student-run organization in the entire world. Last year ALONE, PSU students raised $10M for children with cancer.
So why are the supporting Paterno? I think they are reacting to what they seem is an unfair response by the media, which I can understand (if not agree with). Let's rank the cast of characters from most despicable to least:
Sandusky
ENORMOUS GAP
McQueary
Spanier, the President of the school, who covered this up
Curley, the AD, who helped cover this up
Paterno, the HC, who reported it to the AD and the President
You can also throw PSU campus police and the regular police force on there, as they at least played a part in this (either in covering up or failing to prosecute). Not sure where they go on the list, but there's no doubt that police played a part in letting Sandusky roam free.
Now, where is the media outrage directed?
99% at Paterno. People are almost skipping over Sandusky, perhaps because it's so obvious that he ranks in the second most innercircle of hell, behind the Hitlers of history. McQueary? Nothing. Spanier and Curley? A little outrage. Paterno is by far getting most of the criticism.
He's certainly taking for more heat than anyone else, and it's disproportionate to what he did. I can see how some Penn Staters might feel like the national media, which probably couldn't place State College on a map, now wants to go in and lynch State College's patron saint. Why isn't the national media ripping Sandusky and Spanier and the police with as much fire?
The obvious answer, of course, is that no one really cares about Sandusky or Spanier. And that's just a sad raelity of our times. If we find out some pedophile in Ohio was doing this to kids but was an accountant, this would be a minor, minor story. There would be no national media.
Personally, I understand that being the big dog brings the good and the bad. Just like when in football the QB is given too much credit when he wins and too much blame when he loses; well, Paterno was given so much praise and credit for decades, I have no problem with him now experiencing perhaps too much blame now. The focus shouldn't be squarely on him, but heavy is the heard who wears the crown. I've got no issue with that.
But to a school with 50,000 people, don't be surprised that 500 of them are angry that JoePa is being made out to be public enemy no. 1. I can at least understand their perspective, and the actions of one or two percent of the campus should not reflect poorly on the students as a whole. In general, Penn State students are pretty stand up people and have a reputation for being as so. I'm sure the majority of the students are incredibly disappointed with Paterno's actions, and I'm sure the entire 50,000 students think Sandusky is the scum of the earth.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Thanks tim
Monsieur Meursault
Footballguy
So if you found out that your grandfather, or someone you love and admire, had a moral lapse in judgement, you would turn your back on him?Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
J
Last edited by a moderator:
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Sorry. Pedo State until further notice.
When they start taking this seriously and doing the right thing, maybe then it might not be Pedo State.
Get used to it.
When they start taking this seriously and doing the right thing, maybe then it might not be Pedo State.
Get used to it.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
fixedI understand where you are going, but it needs to be noted, that we are not dealing with a lone incident.So if you found out that your grandfather, or someone you love and admire, had a many moral lapses in judgement, you would turn your back on him?Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
J
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
You know what might be the biggest enabler of them all? The "overall environment" that was created by Joe Paterno and fostered by thousands of people who bought into the whole program.Maybe Sandusky targeted Penn State because he knew it would be easier for him to get away with his crimes there? Maybe the reason he never interviewed for other coaching jobs is because it would have been harder to molest little boys at a place with more oversight?
The same system they were all proud of is the same system that allowed a child molester to roam free.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
Are you kidding me? Bobby Knight and this situation are not even in the same stadium....Whats next...cheering Coach K if he was seen comitting a murder? This is raping a child....those students should be ashamed of themselves and I would be furious if it was one of my kids.
timschochet
Footballguy
Not sure why you deleted your post Joe, because I was going to challenge you on it. The reaction of the Penn State students is highly predictable. Paterno has been like a god on campus, there are statues of him there, he is idolized in every way. From their perspective the national media is gunning for him before all the facts have been made clear. Do you really expect them to turn their back on him right away? They're young students. Of course they're going to rally around him.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
I was going to bring this up earlier but felt it was apples to oranges. IIRC, the investigation revealed that Lefty had tried either tried to or advised players who were at the scene to cover up what happened in the immediate aftermath, and for that he was forced to resign. Since Bias' death occurred over the summer, the issue of "remaining games" was a moot point and he pretty much left the program immediately. Not to hijack, but that story struck very close to me, as I had followed Bias from his senior year in HS through his time at Maryland.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I think you're reading into it. It was an 84-year-old man trying to think of what to call victims of child rape. He looked like he was trying to remember what year it was.
culdeus
Footballguy
At this point though JoePa is only implicated in the case of victim 2, no? (and implicated meaning he was alerted to it while it was going on, or recently transpired.fixedI understand where you are going, but it needs to be noted, that we are not dealing with a lone incident.So if you found out that your grandfather, or someone you love and admire, had a many moral lapses in judgement, you would turn your back on him?Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
J
BigJohn
Footballguy
Stupid.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
No it's not...this guy knew about Sandusky in 1998 (a full 4 years before the second incident), yet somehow thought it would be smart to keep him on campus, give him access to more kids, and generally do nothing for a full 4 years. This is the guy that runs the football program. At a minimum he could he run him from Happy Valley then...but his devotion to the school and his players kept him from coming out at the time and comdemning Sandusky. Fast forward to 2002, same set of facts (throw in a rape now), and yet again he does at best the bare minumum. He still allows Sandusky full access to the facilities. Paterno has had it in his power to stop this monster for 13 years now, yet did next to nothing. Just despicable.
Monsieur Meursault
Footballguy
Sandusky is out on bail.Curley and Schultz have been indicted on perjury and are currently out on bail.Paterno remains employed, has not offered his resignation, and does not want to accept any responsibility in letting these crimes continue.McQueary is less profile, but he deserves as much criticism as Paterno.Paterno is getting all of the media attention because 1) he is high-profile, 2) he remains on staff, 3) he knew what was going on and did nothing.
timschochet
Footballguy
They're not rallying around Sandusky. They're rallying around Paterno who didn't rape anyone. Yes he probably helped to enable it, and for that I can't look at him the same way ever again. But I don't blame Penn State students for not seeing this the same way I do.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
JoePa has a hell of a lot of grandchildren? Strangest family reunion ever last night?So if you found out that your grandfather, or someone you love and admire, had a moral lapse in judgement, you would turn your back on him?Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
J
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Three year NCAA probation due to academic and recruiting violations that surfaced in the aftermath of Bias's death.A closer comparison is the 2003 Baylor basketball scandal.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
So many people to blame here....setting aside JoePa and the cover up for a minute...
I firmly believe that in a normal persons life there are only very few chances to prove who you are and actually show yourself as a man....McQueary who ran from a child being raped in his view...his father who told him to run....those janitors who witnessed an act in the open and didnt report it .....all these people failed miserably. I dont know how they sleep at night.
I firmly believe that in a normal persons life there are only very few chances to prove who you are and actually show yourself as a man....McQueary who ran from a child being raped in his view...his father who told him to run....those janitors who witnessed an act in the open and didnt report it .....all these people failed miserably. I dont know how they sleep at night.
Yes... he didn't have knowledge of all the other molestations/rapes that took place after Sandusky should have been arrested/jailed/tarred and feathered because he was caught in the act, but all of those incidents after 2002 wouldn't have happened if the right thing had been done in 2002.At this point though JoePa is only implicated in the case of victim 2, no? (and implicated meaning he was alerted to it while it was going on, or recently transpired.fixedI understand where you are going, but it needs to be noted, that we are not dealing with a lone incident.So if you found out that your grandfather, or someone you love and admire, had a many moral lapses in judgement, you would turn your back on him?Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
J
dgreen
Footballguy
Not answering for Joe, but I'd have no problem with Paterno's family and friends showing him personal support and offering to help him through whatever he's going to go through. I'd actually even encourage his family and friends to help him through this. But, if that support turns into holding up signs and loud cheering outside his house, that seems to cross a line.So if you found out that your grandfather, or someone you love and admire, had a moral lapse in judgement, you would turn your back on him?Who said it was the entire fan base? It happened just like I said it. Look at the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I&feature=youtu.be He has "fans" surrounding him shouting "We love you, JoePa".You canGTFO. It was a small group (relatively speaking) of drunk college kids. Don't act like this was a representation of the entire fan base.
J
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Just like you rallied to JoePa's defense when the 23 page grand jury statement was there to read. Some people are just dumb.And for the record, I expect every sane right thinking person over the age of 8 to turn their back on child rapist protectors and enablers. I know that was hard for you to do, but even you finally realized your hero CAUSED numerous young boys to be anally violated by his failure to act. I view Paterno and everyone else at Pedo State who had a role in this vile coverup as criminal accomplices to child rape. And there are millions more out there who feel exactly the same way. Screw those dumb PSU kids. They should be sitting in their classes or dorms and hoping and praying their idiot school does the right thing. Which it isnt.
koby925
Footballguy
I can understand some support for JoePa but what's up with these videos? What the F are these kids running around chanting and cheering about? Makes this place seem like a cult. This is very disturbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_IYmG1_V4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_IYmG1_V4&feature=player_embedded
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
What's sick is that PSU picked generating (50?) million a year to cover this up over allowing children to be raped. I am sure they were too scared to call the cops on him thinking that this would tarnish their university and in effect generating $$$. I really hope civil action destroys this school. No way in hell just a few people knew about this. People talk, people whisper and to pick $ over children getting raped I can't think of a worse enough punishment.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Like I said, get used to it.
