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. He knew what he saw. Whether or not he was told to keep quiet, he knew he saw Sandusky buggering a ten year old and didn't call the police. He saw Sandusky still around the campus and still in the company of boys. He absolutely hid things. His first call should've been to the police, anything else is absolutely hiding an horrific truth.
Didn't stop them from firing JoePa...I know he had more power, but his chain of command flowed through Curly just like McQueary's flowed through Joe.
If no officer takes your statement, that's your first clue that it didn't get reported. Telling someone does NOT equal reporting.
Nobody is defending them.
Does the federal government have the authority to step in and close down the PSU football program?
'It didn't get reported to the police' is different than 'It didn't get reported'
They're not. You're just out of whack. Paterno's fame dynamically eclipses all of the rest of them put together. Of course the spotlight will be brighter on him.
State LawColorado Revised Statutes 18-8-115 - Duty to Report a Crime
Colorado?
McQueary is a pathetic excuse for a man. He needed to stop that assault. Even if you're the worlds biggest coward call 911, pull the fire alarm,...do something to create a ruckus to stop then assault.Then to work on the same campus as Sandusky. Does McQueary not have a conscious? After witnessing that attack I can't imagine McQueary not be sickened to his stomach every time he crossed paths with Sandusky over the next 9 years. I can't believe that wouldn't just gnaw at his core. I'm anxious to hear McQueary explain himself.
Oh brother, man, are you serious. It's a standard law, man. You're saying telling your buddy is reporting. It isn't.
This is great stuff. Maybe you should also concoct a theory that ties in the OJ Simpson story, and Oswald.
This didn't happen in Colorado.
It sure does appear to be standard law. In Colorado.
If the allegations that he was pimping kids out to wealthy people, that might be his leverage if some of them were boosters or had major connections.
thought about responding but think I'll just sit back and enjoy this one.
No, it's not. In a lot of states it is not criminal to not report a crime. In fact, it is not usually criminal to prevent a crime from happening (e.g. Anderson Silva could stand by while a kid pummeled a nun and an orphan and not get in trouble for it). Good Sumaritan laws vary by state.ETA: Although that statute mentions a "duty." Does it say if there is any ramification for not complying with that duty? I guess I may be off-topic if it isn't a criminal sanction.
Well, just thought I'd point out to some people that telling your boss does not equal reporting a crime by legal standards. Sorry if it was above you guys. Wasn't commenting on Pennsylvania laws, just correcting someone who said McQueary reported the incident.
You're a ####.
I just thought I'd point out he did report it to both Paterno and his father. He did not report it to the authorities.Thus your statement of 'It didn't get reported' is false. You should have phrased it 'It got reported to the wrong people,' or 'It didn't get reported to police.'
Your conclusions may be proven right in the end, but you sure are taking some liberties and making some "leaps" to arrive at them. There is a world of difference between constructing truth from facts versus doing so by connecting speculative dots.I agree that Paterno's ouster was necessary, but don't know whether he was enabling/complicit or just stupid/senile in not doing more to keep Sandusky from hanging around the program. To figure out which 'crime' JoePa was guilty of (enabler vs. stupid), I think we'ld have to know his motivations for his action/inaction after reporting the allegations brought to his attention. I don't think we can realistically or honestly do that based on what we know at this time.At the very least Paterno did promptly report the second-hand allegation to the university and to the head of the university's police. That was certainly the right thing to do. However, based on his relationship to Sandusky and his advanced age, I'm reluctant to expect him to be the one to take on the lead role in determining whether or not Sandusky was a sexual predator at that point. I think just running the football program was more than enough for him to handle at this late stage of his life, and could very easily imagine him being overwhelmed and not knowing what to do/believe about the allegations against Sandusky, who others have stated was a 'surrogate son' to Joe.That isn't to excuse him, or to say that Joe couldn't have made the tough decision to take the matter as far as humanly possible, but if there were any shadow of doubt in his mind regarding the allegation, then I could certainly understand him not doing more, and trusting the authorities to take on the burden of determining the truth about the allegation(s).However, if Joe's motivations were purely to maintain the integrity/image of PSU's football program, then I would be right there with you in condemning his handling of the situation. I'm just not ready to make that leap in logic based on the information that's come out so far...
I thought you could figure that part out on your own. I was wrong.
Other than the misspelling of "Samaritan" I give you an A for your answer. Will I now be in your sig?
I will never claim to be a smart man.
Fair enough. McQueary didn't report it to police, no one did, it was covered up, he was promoted. It smells. That was my point.
Not to bump Aaron from his role, but the applicable PA law was posted earlier. A "mandated reporter" (for example, a school employee) has a duty to report suspected child abuse. HOWEVER, if the school has a protocol where employees report such info to a superior who then has the duty to make the report to the state, the employee satisfies his duties under the law by reporting to that superior. There is no need for everyone in the chain of command to contact the state. That's why Curley was charged with violating the statute and Paterno and McQueary weren't.
By saying it was "a standard law, man", you equated an irrelevant CO law to PA law. Then you were corrected and shown up by Woz. Woz. Oof.Well, just thought I'd point out to some people that telling your boss does not equal reporting a crime by legal standards. Sorry if it was above you guys. Wasn't commenting on Pennsylvania laws, just correcting someone who said McQueary reported the incident.
McQueary did report it, it got covered up, he got promoted. If he loses his job now, I think he can make a credible argument that he's being fired because he reported it but no one else did anything about it.
By saying it was "a standard law, man", you equated an irrelevant CO law to PA law. Then you were corrected and shown up by Woz. Woz. Oof.Well, just thought I'd point out to some people that telling your boss does not equal reporting a crime by legal standards. Sorry if it was above you guys. Wasn't commenting on Pennsylvania laws, just correcting someone who said McQueary reported the incident.
This makes a lot of senseI'm kind of in agreement with you here, but ... it was already kind of suspicious that a successful, hotshot defensive coordinator decided to retire from coaching at age 55. How much stranger would it have been if he just disappeared from Happy Valley? Couldn't a cover-up include making it look like everything was hunkey-dorey?Like, if Bud Foster (VT DC often discussed for BCS HC opennings) just retired from football right now, it would be strange. But if he retired, and stopped doing radio appearances and sold his restaurants in the Blacksburg area and just generally fell off the map, it would be REALLY REALLY strange, and people would ask questions. Especially if he had had any sort of allegations or accusations come up against him recently.Yep. There has to be at least one more piece to this puzzle.
I heard Sandusky's Autobiography was titled "Touched"
Pretty sure their next two games being away played into the decision to let him go as well as it just being the right thing to do. I also think his somewhat flippant statement yesterday stating when he will retire and telling the BOT not to worry about him rubbed people the wrong way. I've always seen JoPa as somewhat of a bully when it comes to certain things and this was just another example of him being out of touch.
Hate that they would have to continue to pay him but this is probably the best case scenario and I still believe the BOT will step in and make this happen. No way that big red head steps on the field again for PSU.
There's speculation that he was "rewarded" for keeping quiet after telling the president. I agree he is legally insulated.
I was just trying to point out legal language. The language is standard, that's what I meant. I was unclear.By saying it was "a standard law, man", you equated an irrelevant CO law to PA law. Then you were corrected and shown up by Woz. Woz. Oof.Well, just thought I'd point out to some people that telling your boss does not equal reporting a crime by legal standards. Sorry if it was above you guys. Wasn't commenting on Pennsylvania laws, just correcting someone who said McQueary reported the incident.
For what it's worth, the Pennsylvania law requires you to report the abuse to either "the person in charge of the institution", or the "designated agent" of the person in charge. I don't know if it has been confirmed that Curley was PSU's "designated agent".
JoePa isn't going to sue the school or make things worse. McQueary registers lower on the moral meter in this one because he had a chance to stop Sandusky in the act and did nothing. But McQueary's actions are actually a lot more defensible, because he easily could have been railroaded. Tell him to shut up, and you can understand why he did. Paterno had too much power to use that as an excuse.
AboveWell, just thought I'd point out to some people that telling your boss does not equal reporting a crime by legal standards. Sorry if it was above you guys. Wasn't commenting on Pennsylvania laws, just correcting someone who said McQueary reported the incident.
Aaaaand no sig for youBy saying it was "a standard law, man", you equated an irrelevant CO law to PA law. Then you were corrected and shown up by Woz. Woz. Oof.Well, just thought I'd point out to some people that telling your boss does not equal reporting a crime by legal standards. Sorry if it was above you guys. Wasn't commenting on Pennsylvania laws, just correcting someone who said McQueary reported the incident.
PA Code Sec 42.42(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), © and (d).
Maybe not once the civil cases come out. Expect McQueary and Paterno to be named once those get rolling. Completely different test for negligence in civil cases than in criminal cases. And frankly, every kid this happened to afterwards has a legit claim that either man could have taken steps to prevent this from happening again and, even worse, created an environment where Sandusky's pedophilia was actually tolerated, especially Paterno. A lot of focus on criminal charges, which I would like both men to face, but a lot of ignoring the civil charges, which I guarantee will be rolling in.
