Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What wrestling coach? The only wrestling coach i have read about was at the high school of victim 1.

 

[dgreen]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

1) He was 28.2) I agree that Schultz may have seemed like "police enough" at first. But, what McQueary saw was unquestionably a heinous crime. The fact that he continued to see Sandusky on campus and realized there was no investigation by real police or arrest, he has to conclude that something went wrong. It would be like witnessing a murder, reporting it to Schultz, and then hearing nothing else and seeing the murderer walk around campus. What he witnessed was that black and white. To me, that only leaves McQueary with cowering away from his duty on his own or being pressured into dropping it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

McQueary had to have gotten something out of all of this. Otherwise, how do you not resist calling out to Sandusky when you see him with a kid: "Hey Jerry, make sure you keep your #### out of this kid's ###, the other kid did not seem to like it."

 

[bigbottom]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

Yeah, got it. But, seriously, there's only so much vitrol to go around. I'm sure there are even more people we don't know about who knew something and did nothing. Most of the vitrol has been directed towards those who had escaped legal charges and continued to be employed by the university. The focus, for much of this thread, has been on the fact that Paterno, Spanier, and McQueary had jobs. Two are gone. One probably will be. And, yes, part of it is that these guys held higher positions. The higher-ups are always held to a higher standard and always take the fall. Always.The janitor should have done something. He didn't. That sucks. Not sure what else there is to talk about there.

From Page 22:"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

Crucifixion is probably going too far.

 

[Disco Stu]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

Kidney punch.

 

[koby925]

You know, I don't have a good explanation for this, but......It seems that the overwhelming majority of us are saying how it would be a no-brainer to report watching the rape of 10 year old boy. I know I definitely would. Yet, we have now multiple instances of this happening at PSU and NONE of them reported what they saw to the authorities. Not the janitor. Not the GA. Not the wrestling coach.Doesn't that seem odd? Given the very small minority of people that could find a way to not report it, how is it that 3 instances were witnessed and all 3 weren't reported.Either we're all overestimating what we'd do in the same situation or there's something that caused none of these guys to call the police. If the latter, we may be looking at some serious threats that were thrown at these guys to keep them from taking it to the authorities. Maybe threats to their life and/or families. The fact that 3 different people at 3 different times and in 3 different work areas all somehow decided not to report what they saw is very, very odd. A coach, a janitor, and a GA. 3 guys with different career aspirations. Something stinks here.

The wrestling coach was from the local high school and didn't witness rape. He witnessed inappropriate behavior - Sandusky basically spooning a kid while clothed on the floor.

 

[B-Deep]

What shocks me most is how Tyoka Jackson tried to make it seem like some bum in middle mangement had any real power at Penn State

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

He was 28 at the time, but I agree that it probably seemed "police enough" at that time. But as time passed and nothing ever happened and he continued to see Sandusky at the facilities with boys, it should have been evident to him that he hadn't yet done enough. If I saw a kid getting raped and told the police, and nothing ever happened and I continued to see the child rapist hanging around with children, I'd find some other police to report it to.

 

[johnnycakes]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses (except for TobiasFunke) missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

 

[Ocram]

You know, I don't have a good explanation for this, but......It seems that the overwhelming majority of us are saying how it would be a no-brainer to report watching the rape of 10 year old boy. I know I definitely would. Yet, we have now multiple instances of this happening at PSU and NONE of them reported what they saw to the authorities. Not the janitor. Not the GA. Not the wrestling coach.Doesn't that seem odd? Given the very small minority of people that could find a way to not report it, how is it that 3 instances were witnessed and all 3 weren't reported.Either we're all overestimating what we'd do in the same situation or there's something that caused none of these guys to call the police. If the latter, we may be looking at some serious threats that were thrown at these guys to keep them from taking it to the authorities. Maybe threats to their life and/or families. The fact that 3 different people at 3 different times and in 3 different work areas all somehow decided not to report what they saw is very, very odd. A coach, a janitor, and a GA. 3 guys with different career aspirations. Something stinks here.

The wrestling coach was from the local high school and didn't witness rape. He witnessed inappropriate behavior - Sandusky basically spooning a kid while clothed on the floor.

Ah, true. Ok, maybe they were just unlucky to have been witnessed by 2 people without any backbone.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Has the healing started yet?

 

[mad sweeney]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

McQueary was 28, and none of those guys are police.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

1) He was 28.2) I agree that Schultz may have seemed like "police enough" at first. But, what McQueary saw was unquestionably a heinous crime. The fact that he continued to see Sandusky on campus and realized there was no investigation by real police or arrest, he has to conclude that something went wrong. It would be like witnessing a murder, reporting it to Schultz, and then hearing nothing else and seeing the murderer walk around campus. What he witnessed was that black and white. To me, that only leaves McQueary with cowering away from his duty on his own or being pressured into dropping it.

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

He was 28 at the time, but I agree that it probably seemed "police enough" at that time. But as time passed and nothing ever happened and he continued to see Sandusky at the facilities with boys, it should have been evident to him that he hadn't yet done enough. If I saw a kid getting raped and told the police, and nothing ever happened and I continued to see the child rapist hanging around with children, I'd find some other police to report it to.

lolI almost numbered my response just like yours, too.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

2) I agree that Schultz may have seemed like "police enough" at first. But, what McQueary saw was unquestionably a heinous crime. The fact that he continued to see Sandusky on campus and realized there was no investigation by real police or arrest, he has to conclude that something went wrong. It would be like witnessing a murder, reporting it to Schultz, and then hearing nothing else and seeing the murderer walk around campus. What he witnessed was that black and white. To me, that only leaves McQueary with cowering away from his duty on his own or being pressured into dropping it.

This is a good point. He could be forgiven for not going to the police first as he must have assumed that the university would be prepared to handle a situation like this - for the good of the kids and the good of the university.After he saw Sandusky still walking around campus, apparenly without any repercussions, THEN he should have gone to the police.Although I still think he should have gone to the police first. If he'd seen a 20 year old female being raped by Sandusky, would he have reported it to the administration first or called 911?

 

[comfortably numb]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

1) He was 28.2) I agree that Schultz may have seemed like "police enough" at first. But, what McQueary saw was unquestionably a heinous crime. The fact that he continued to see Sandusky on campus and realized there was no investigation by real police or arrest, he has to conclude that something went wrong. It would be like witnessing a murder, reporting it to Schultz, and then hearing nothing else and seeing the murderer walk around campus. What he witnessed was that black and white. To me, that only leaves McQueary with cowering away from his duty on his own or being pressured into dropping it.

I ALMOST can deal with not reporting to local PD if you already reported to campus PD or whatever.But, he HAS to be smart enough to know people on a sex offender registry list can't even walk winthin 50 feet of a playground.Yet this monster is parading his next victim within the same confines of his previous rapes?eff that

 

[B-Deep]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

 

[dgreen]

From Page 22:"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Actually, all you smartasses (except for TobiasFunke) missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

the story I recall reading on this said that his supervisor told him to report it to police, but he never did.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

84

 

[Joseph]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

I think it was in the introduction of Sandusky's book

 

[johnnycakes]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

My question goes back to what someone else raised many pages ago... what did Paterno know, and when did he know it? Were these people all afraid of Paterno personally?? Or were they afraid of the system, that system being the beneficiary of Paterno's football machine.

 

[comfortably numb]

2) I agree that Schultz may have seemed like "police enough" at first. But, what McQueary saw was unquestionably a heinous crime. The fact that he continued to see Sandusky on campus and realized there was no investigation by real police or arrest, he has to conclude that something went wrong. It would be like witnessing a murder, reporting it to Schultz, and then hearing nothing else and seeing the murderer walk around campus. What he witnessed was that black and white. To me, that only leaves McQueary with cowering away from his duty on his own or being pressured into dropping it.

This is a good point. He could be forgiven for not going to the police first as he must have assumed that the university would be prepared to handle a situation like this - for the good of the kids and the good of the university.

After he saw Sandusky still walking around campus, apparenly without any repercussions, THEN he should have gone to the police.

Although I still think he should have gone to the police first. If he'd seen a 20 year old female being raped by Sandusky, would he have reported it to the administration first or called 911?

This is what I think media needs to start reporting.This creep is RAPING children.

I think we have been trained to think "molestation" as potentially being that uncle of yours who like to give hugs a bit longer than everyone else.

These kids are mentally raped, and also physically.

Just because there is no kicking/screaming, knife pointing, bound and gagged, left bloodied to stumble into a police department, people treat these molestation claims with less severity.

A woman held at knife point can at least attempt to defend herself, and when her rape is done, she is able to walk into a police department.

When a child is raped, he may not even know he was raped, because the creep has earned the trust of the child.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

Code red!

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

Done what?

Basically saying he was much more sympathetic to McQueary than Paterno. If you want something to get done at Penn State, you go to Paterno. That's what McQueary did. Obviously he could have done more, but he can at least understand McQueary's actions, whereas he couldn't understand Paterno's. He said the reason Penn State was clean for so many years was everyone went to JoePa to get his signoff before anything got done.

Yea, listening to that interview, I didn't get the sense that he was so much on McQ's side, rather, he was just relating that the buck ALWAYS stopped with Joe.Really was creepy listening to him describe seeing Sandusky with the 3 kids on the sidelines at the Philly-Rams game...

 

[dhockster]

From Page 22:"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Isn't it Vitriol? And yes, it is a cool word.

 

[russinfortworth]

So exactly what is Sandusky's day like?

Wake up

Make some breakfast

Watch some Dr. Phil

Gears of War for awhile

Putter around in the garage

Have some lunch

Watch Judge Judy for legal tips

Some Hogan's Heroes

Man vs. Food

Checkers with the wife?

Dinner

???

He must (deserves) to be in HE$$ all day long.

 

[whoknew]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

I think it was in the introduction of Sandusky's book

Sandusky wrote a book??! Seriously? What's it called?

 

[NCCommish]

You know, I don't have a good explanation for this, but......

It seems that the overwhelming majority of us are saying how it would be a no-brainer to report watching the rape of 10 year old boy. I know I definitely would.

Yet, we have now multiple instances of this happening at PSU and NONE of them reported what they saw to the authorities. Not the janitor. Not the GA. Not the wrestling coach.

Doesn't that seem odd? Given the very small minority of people that could find a way to not report it, how is it that 3 instances were witnessed and all 3 weren't reported.

Either we're all overestimating what we'd do in the same situation or there's something that caused none of these guys to call the police. If the latter, we may be looking at some serious threats that were thrown at these guys to keep them from taking it to the authorities. Maybe threats to their life and/or families. The fact that 3 different people at 3 different times and in 3 different work areas all somehow decided not to report what they saw is very, very odd. A coach, a janitor, and a GA. 3 guys with different career aspirations.

Something stinks here.

ETA--When I say report, I mean actually call the police, not reporting to their supervisor.

That something is called Penn State. They were all protecting the name of the institution. Same as the Catholic Church scandal.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So exactly what is Sandusky's day like?Wake upMake some breakfastWatch some Dr. PhilGears of War for awhilePutter around in the garageHave some lunchWatch Judge Judy for legal tipsSome Hogan's HeroesMan vs. FoodCheckers with the wife?Dinner???He must (deserves) to be in HE$$ all day long.

I'm not sure sending him to a gas station is punishment enough.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

I think it was in the introduction of Sandusky's book

Gerry's?

 

[dgreen]

From Page 22:"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Isn't it Vitriol? And yes, it is a cool word.

I knew I should have right clicked on that red squiggly line.

 

[Parrothead]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

I think it was in the introduction of Sandusky's book

Sandusky wrote a book??! Seriously? What's it called?

28

 

[Pipes]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

I'm sorry but if you walk in on a child being raped you become the police and put a stop to it immediately. You don't leave the room, call your dad and have a conversation with your boss the next day. Not to be internet tough guy but I just can't fathom not stepping in immediately. In this instance even telling the police isn't enough.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I just can't believe Sandusky was able to get away with this for 2002 years.

 

[B-Deep]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

My question goes back to what someone else raised many pages ago... what did Paterno know, and when did he know it? Were these people all afraid of Paterno personally?? Or were they afraid of the system, that system being the beneficiary of Paterno's football machine.

Well Tyoka Jackson said everything goes through joe. He also said that joe going to the AD is kicking the problem down a notch. He was only a player at PSU who was coached by Joe though, so I am not sure his perspective matters as much as the ones on this board, some bloggers, or the occupy wall street people. If you believe Tyoka's clear character assassination of Paterno you would think he likely knew a lot about this all along. I THINK we have some indicat5ion of what he knew and when in the Grand Jury report, however 2 cautions:

1) I don't know if the grand jury report has been leaked to the web yet

2) there are rumors that sometimes people lie to grand juries, so joe could know less than he said and have perjured himself to not look bad

clearly the only way we'll ever get answers is if Gerry Sandusky writes a book

 

[Joe Summer]

Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that.

Schultz only oversaw campus police in an administrative capacity, not an investigative capacity. He's not a police officer and never was one.I do agree that McQueary might have thought otherwise, though.

 

[TobiasFunke]

From Page 22:

"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Sure, I guess. But when you're talking about moral judgments I think you need to factor in the personal cost to doing the "moral" thing. A graduate assistant probably isn't gonna worry that if he's out of a job he'll end up homeless, and he's also probably gonna be treated more seriously by the cops, or at least that's how a janitor might feel. There's a lot people don't know or understand.To that end I think there's something to the post a while back about how nobody went beyond reporting what they knew to their supervisors, and yet everyone here is 100% they would have marched right into the police station and demanded justice. That's easy to say on a message board, but real world decisions are far complicated. The janitor at least and maybe the grad assistant too were probably intimidated, maybe petrified. That influences decision-making, certainly subconsciously if not consciously. They may have been told something or somehow gotten a vibe that the matter was absolutely under control or wasn't as serious as they perceived it to be or whatever. When you're a low on the food chain there's a lot of things going on that people here seem unwilling to contemplate because it doesn't fit their notion that every person named in that grand jury report is the devil because of what one horrible monster did.

 

[tommyboy]

now its on the front of the drudge report that maybe he was pimping out the boys to rich donors

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Anyone care to guess how much money this is going to cost PSU? It has to be astronomical.

I was the first to do so.

 

[Parrothead]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

I'm sorry but if you walk in on a child being raped you become the police and put a stop to it immediately. You don't leave the room, call your dad and have a conversation with your boss the next day. Not to be internet tough guy but I just can't fathom not stepping in immediately. In this instance even telling the police isn't enough.

you prepared to tackle a creepy naked er.. aroused old guy? :X Personally, I would have yelled at him, then pulled every fire alarm I could find while I was dialing 911..

 

[Mr. Pickles]

All this is going to take too long to play out. Where's Dexter when you need him?

Busy with Trinity-lite.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

also, to be clear, this wasn't referring to Paterno.

 

[Chase Stuart]

From Page 22:

"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Sure, I guess. But when you're talking about moral judgments I think you need to factor in the personal cost to doing the "moral" thing. A graduate assistant probably isn't gonna worry that if he's out of a job he'll end up homeless, and he's also probably gonna be treated more seriously by the cops, or at least that's how a janitor might feel. There's a lot people don't know or understand.To that end I think there's something to the post a while back about how nobody went beyond reporting what they knew to their supervisors, and yet everyone here is 100% they would have marched right into the police station and demanded justice. That's easy to say on a message board, but real world decisions are far complicated. The janitor at least and maybe the grad assistant too were probably intimidated, maybe petrified. That influences decision-making, certainly subconsciously if not consciously. They may have been told something or somehow gotten a vibe that the matter was absolutely under control or wasn't as serious as they perceived it to be or whatever. When you're a low on the food chain there's a lot of things going on that people here seem unwilling to contemplate because it doesn't fit their notion that every person named in that grand jury report is the devil because of what one horrible monster did.

That's why people are outraged at Paterno, myself included.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

now its on the front of the drudge report that maybe he was pimping out the boys to rich donors

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

developing...

 

[guru_007]

1000!!!!

 

[dgreen]

From Page 22:

"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Sure, I guess. But when you're talking about moral judgments I think you need to factor in the personal cost to doing the "moral" thing. A graduate assistant probably isn't gonna worry that if he's out of a job he'll end up homeless, and he's also probably gonna be treated more seriously by the cops, or at least that's how a janitor might feel. There's a lot people don't know or understand.To that end I think there's something to the post a while back about how nobody went beyond reporting what they knew to their supervisors, and yet everyone here is 100% they would have marched right into the police station and demanded justice. That's easy to say on a message board, but real world decisions are far complicated. The janitor at least and maybe the grad assistant too were probably intimidated, maybe petrified. That influences decision-making, certainly subconsciously if not consciously. They may have been told something or somehow gotten a vibe that the matter was absolutely under control or wasn't as serious as they perceived it to be or whatever. When you're a low on the food chain there's a lot of things going on that people here seem unwilling to contemplate because it doesn't fit their notion that every person named in that grand jury report is the devil because of what one horrible monster did.

All of that goes towards explain why something happened. It helps to understand things and I get that. A lot of people have said things like, "While I would have beat the guy up, I can understand McQueary not doing so in the heat of the moment." And, I agree with you that none of really know how we'd react in such a situation and that our current life situation could likely play a role. I'm actually very confident that I would not physically break it up and separate him from the boy. I'm a non-confrontational type of guy in real life. I've never been in a real fight.However, none of that understanding and perspective and explanation of why a janitor would do what he did says whether that action was right or wrong. A lot of the conversation here has been about what SHOULD have been done (by anyone who is a fully-functioning adult human being). That's different than saying, "100% chance I would have done the right thing."

 

[The Future Champs]

now its on the front of the drudge report that maybe he was pimping out the boys to rich donors

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

so drudge is reporting a link that we've already discussed. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Pipes]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

I'm sorry but if you walk in on a child being raped you become the police and put a stop to it immediately. You don't leave the room, call your dad and have a conversation with your boss the next day. Not to be internet tough guy but I just can't fathom not stepping in immediately. In this instance even telling the police isn't enough.

you prepared to tackle a creepy naked er.. aroused old guy? :X Personally, I would have yelled at him, then pulled every fire alarm I could find while I was dialing 911..

After I was done throwing up...yes. Though pulling the fire alarm first seems like the best option to alert authorities as well. Obviously it would be difficult to think clearly after stumbling accross something like that. I just can't imagine anyone with a conscious reacting the way McCreary did.