Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

[Christo]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

Colorado is two hours behind!

Now this whole thread makes sense.

 

[Chase Stuart]

All of that goes towards explain why something happened. It helps to understand things and I get that. A lot of people have said things like, "While I would have beat the guy up, I can understand McQueary not doing so in the heat of the moment." And, I agree with you that none of really know how we'd react in such a situation and that our current life situation could likely play a role. I'm actually very confident that I would not physically break it up and separate him from the boy. I'm a non-confrontational type of guy in real life. I've never been in a real fight.

But you weren't an elite college football athlete.That's why bothers me about this, when people call him a GA. He was a former star quarterback. 6'4, 225 pounds. Are college football players known for being non-confrontational?

If this was some Moneyball dude, fine. But it wasn't. Maybe he wasn't LaVar Arrington, but he's a lot closer to that than I think the normal image of a GA.

He's been a quarterback his whole life. A leader on the field. And a midget off of it.

 

[TobiasFunke]

From Page 22:

"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Sure, I guess. But when you're talking about moral judgments I think you need to factor in the personal cost to doing the "moral" thing. A graduate assistant probably isn't gonna worry that if he's out of a job he'll end up homeless, and he's also probably gonna be treated more seriously by the cops, or at least that's how a janitor might feel. There's a lot people don't know or understand.To that end I think there's something to the post a while back about how nobody went beyond reporting what they knew to their supervisors, and yet everyone here is 100% they would have marched right into the police station and demanded justice. That's easy to say on a message board, but real world decisions are far complicated. The janitor at least and maybe the grad assistant too were probably intimidated, maybe petrified. That influences decision-making, certainly subconsciously if not consciously. They may have been told something or somehow gotten a vibe that the matter was absolutely under control or wasn't as serious as they perceived it to be or whatever. When you're a low on the food chain there's a lot of things going on that people here seem unwilling to contemplate because it doesn't fit their notion that every person named in that grand jury report is the devil because of what one horrible monster did.

All of that goes towards explain why something happened. It helps to understand things and I get that. A lot of people have said things like, "While I would have beat the guy up, I can understand McQueary not doing so in the heat of the moment." And, I agree with you that none of really know how we'd react in such a situation and that our current life situation could likely play a role. I'm actually very confident that I would not physically break it up and separate him from the boy. I'm a non-confrontational type of guy in real life. I've never been in a real fight.However, none of that understanding and perspective and explanation of why a janitor would do what he did says whether that action was right or wrong. A lot of the conversation here has been about what SHOULD have been done (by anyone who is a fully-functioning adult human being). That's different than saying, "100% chance I would have done the right thing."

Fair point. I feel like a I've heard a lot of people saying what they would have done, not what should have been done. But you're right, those are two completely different things. Should is an ideal, and it's pretty clear that a lot of people fell short of that.

 

[johnnycakes]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

 

[dgreen]

From Page 22:

"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Sure, I guess. But when you're talking about moral judgments I think you need to factor in the personal cost to doing the "moral" thing. A graduate assistant probably isn't gonna worry that if he's out of a job he'll end up homeless, and he's also probably gonna be treated more seriously by the cops, or at least that's how a janitor might feel. There's a lot people don't know or understand.To that end I think there's something to the post a while back about how nobody went beyond reporting what they knew to their supervisors, and yet everyone here is 100% they would have marched right into the police station and demanded justice. That's easy to say on a message board, but real world decisions are far complicated. The janitor at least and maybe the grad assistant too were probably intimidated, maybe petrified. That influences decision-making, certainly subconsciously if not consciously. They may have been told something or somehow gotten a vibe that the matter was absolutely under control or wasn't as serious as they perceived it to be or whatever. When you're a low on the food chain there's a lot of things going on that people here seem unwilling to contemplate because it doesn't fit their notion that every person named in that grand jury report is the devil because of what one horrible monster did.

All of that goes towards explain why something happened. It helps to understand things and I get that. A lot of people have said things like, "While I would have beat the guy up, I can understand McQueary not doing so in the heat of the moment." And, I agree with you that none of really know how we'd react in such a situation and that our current life situation could likely play a role. I'm actually very confident that I would not physically break it up and separate him from the boy. I'm a non-confrontational type of guy in real life. I've never been in a real fight.However, none of that understanding and perspective and explanation of why a janitor would do what he did says whether that action was right or wrong. A lot of the conversation here has been about what SHOULD have been done (by anyone who is a fully-functioning adult human being). That's different than saying, "100% chance I would have done the right thing."

Fair point. I feel like a I've heard a lot of people saying what they would have done, not what should have been done. But you're right, those are two completely different things. Should is an ideal, and it's pretty clear that a lot of people fell short of that.

Well, yeah, there's been a lot of that too.

 

[Christo]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

You and others seemed to need a refresher. HTH

 

[johnnycakes]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

My question goes back to what someone else raised many pages ago... what did Paterno know, and when did he know it? Were these people all afraid of Paterno personally?? Or were they afraid of the system, that system being the beneficiary of Paterno's football machine.

Well Tyoka Jackson said everything goes through joe. He also said that joe going to the AD is kicking the problem down a notch. He was only a player at PSU who was coached by Joe though, so I am not sure his perspective matters as much as the ones on this board, some bloggers, or the occupy wall street people. If you believe Tyoka's clear character assassination of Paterno you would think he likely knew a lot about this all along. I THINK we have some indicat5ion of what he knew and when in the Grand Jury report, however 2 cautions:

1) I don't know if the grand jury report has been leaked to the web yet

2) there are rumors that sometimes people lie to grand juries, so joe could know less than he said and have perjured himself to not look bad

clearly the only way we'll ever get answers is if Gerry Sandusky writes a book

Well, according to this analysis, then Penn State was fully aware of everything going on all along, fully condoned it by not reporting the abuse, and worked to protect itself with a coverup.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

I think it was in the introduction of Sandusky's book

Wait, he wrote a book?

 

[QuizGuy66]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

And one from '82 that talks about found of Second Mile

Sorry if a honda to the thread. Eerie.

-QG

 

[johnnycakes]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

You and others seemed to need a refresher. HTH

Now, please, go back to telling us what a bad guy Paterno was. I haven't heard enough of that yet.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What was the mike and mike reference from 10 pages ago?

 

[Fat Nick]

Just got an e-mail from the new President...

A message from Interim Penn State President Rodney EricksonThis is one of the saddest weeks in the history of Penn State. It has beendifficult to comprehend the horrific nature of the allegations that wererevealed in the Attorney General's presentment last week. As a member of thePenn State community for 34 years, as a parent, and as a grandfather, I findthe charges as they have been described to be devastating, and my heart goesout to those who have been victimized and their families. This is a terribletragedy for everyone involved, and it will take some time to bring a measureof understanding and resolution to the community.In addition to the legal process under way, Penn State's Board of Trustees hasauthorized a full investigation "...to determine what failures occurred, whois responsible, and what measures are necessary to insure that this neverhappens at our University again and that those responsible are held fullyaccountable." As those involved pursue their cases, I also urge you, as PennStaters, to be patient, to avoid speculation, and to refrain from passingjudgment until the facts are known.As you are now aware, the Board of Trustees has asked me to serve as theinterim president of Penn State effective immediately. I undertake theseduties with a firm sense of resolve, and I ask for your support as we moveforward. And move forward, we must and we will.Penn State has a long and storied tradition that has endured for more than 150years. Our roots are deep, our constitution is resilient, and the importanceof our work is as vital today as it was last week - perhaps even more so inthe face of such adversity. We are 96,000 students, 46,000 employees, andmore than a half a million alumni. We are 24 campuses across the Commonwealthand a World Campus. We are a university that is committed to its core valuesof honesty, integrity, and community. We are a university that will rebuildthe trust and confidence that so many people have had in us for so manyyears.Through your conduct every day, you can play a role in restoring theintegrity, honor, and pride that have always characterized Penn State. I shareyour anger and sadness in this time, but always remember that your actionsreflect on the entire Penn State community. Please set an example that willmake us all proud. Moving forward is the only responsible course to take inthe coming months. I ask for the full support of our faculty, students, staff,and alumni, and in return I will do my best to lead this institution throughthe challenges ahead.Thank you for being a part of Penn State.

 

[Christo]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

You and others seemed to need a refresher. HTH

Now, please, go back to telling us what a bad guy Paterno was. I haven't heard enough of that yet.

No, no. Please tell us who else you think is bad.

 

[B-Deep]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

My question goes back to what someone else raised many pages ago... what did Paterno know, and when did he know it? Were these people all afraid of Paterno personally?? Or were they afraid of the system, that system being the beneficiary of Paterno's football machine.

Well Tyoka Jackson said everything goes through joe. He also said that joe going to the AD is kicking the problem down a notch. He was only a player at PSU who was coached by Joe though, so I am not sure his perspective matters as much as the ones on this board, some bloggers, or the occupy wall street people. If you believe Tyoka's clear character assassination of Paterno you would think he likely knew a lot about this all along. I THINK we have some indicat5ion of what he knew and when in the Grand Jury report, however 2 cautions:

1) I don't know if the grand jury report has been leaked to the web yet

2) there are rumors that sometimes people lie to grand juries, so joe could know less than he said and have perjured himself to not look bad

clearly the only way we'll ever get answers is if Gerry Sandusky writes a book

Well, according to this analysis, then Penn State was fully aware of everything going on all along, fully condoned it by not reporting the abuse, and worked to protect itself with a coverup.

I think you are rushing to judgment

 

[johnnycakes]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

You and others seemed to need a refresher. HTH

Now, please, go back to telling us what a bad guy Paterno was. I haven't heard enough of that yet.

No, no. Please tell us who else you think is bad.

I think this pointless exchange is bad. I'm out. you can have the last word.

 

[B-Deep]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

You and others seemed to need a refresher. HTH

Now, please, go back to telling us what a bad guy Paterno was. I haven't heard enough of that yet.

No, no. Please tell us who else you think is bad.

Stalin?

 

[johnnycakes]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

You know, Hitler was a real *******. But I want to talk about Horst Mueller. I cannot believe Herr Meuller drove a train to Bergen-Belsen in February 1945. What was he thinking?Yes, there was a whole lotta fail here. But it's human nature to focus on the people at the top.

Thanks for the insight on human nature. Now I understand why everyone's all upset about Paterno.

You and others seemed to need a refresher. HTH

Now, please, go back to telling us what a bad guy Paterno was. I haven't heard enough of that yet.

No, no. Please tell us who else you think is bad.

Stalin?

Actually, when i saw the artist painting over Sandusky's image on that mural, it reminded me of how Stalin had his opponent's images removed from all photos.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

The name of the book is Touched.....Touched!!!

 

[dgreen]

@ Ashton

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Wow. Westboro Baptist Church intends on protesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard of them protesting something actually protest-worthy. Big change in M.O.

I'm sure they'll find some way to eff it up.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

[QUOTE='That article]However, while students are trying to make a quiet statement regarding their indignation over the allegations, the Westboro Baptist Church plans to protest in front of the stadium from 10 a.m. to kickoff at noon. With an already tense crowd reeling from the firing of coach Joe Paterno, some students things could get ugly, especially with alcohol involved.

"It's just really sad, all of it," Allen Vickers, 21, a senior from South Jersey, told the Philadelphia Daily News. "There's gonna be violence."
[/QUOTE]

 

[Chase Stuart]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Just ordered one.

 

[Mario Kart]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

No, was that in Paterno's press conference?

I think it was in the introduction of Sandusky's book

Gerry's?

Based on the novel Touched by Sandusky.

 

[johnnycakes]

The name of the book is Touched.....Touched!!!

Available in signed, leatherbound edition on Ebay... just in time for Christmas.

 

[dgreen]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Wow. Westboro Baptist Church intends on protesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard of them protesting something actually protest-worthy. Big change in M.O.

I'm sure they'll find some way to eff it up.

It's not really clear what they're protesting.

 

[The Future Champs]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Wow. Westboro Baptist Church intends on protesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard of them protesting something actually protest-worthy. Big change in M.O.

I'm sure they'll find some way to eff it up.

They'll probably protest that the victims deserved it. WBC wants to screw it up. If it wasn't so unbelievably ugly I'd think it was schtick.

 

[B-Deep]

This entire thing reminds me of that one Jack Nicklaus movie with the Hot Shot Navy Pilot and the russian migs, Men At Work i think it was.

 

[shader]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Wow. Westboro Baptist Church intends on protesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard of them protesting something actually protest-worthy. Big change in M.O.

I'm sure they'll find some way to eff it up.

If you look at their history, they will probably say that the kids deserve it or some other junk. It could get really ugly.

 

[Todd Andrews]

He retired in 1999.

Pretty sure Sandusky was around 53 or 54 at the time he retired, and considered by far one the very best most innovative defensive coordinators in college football. Why didnt he go somewhere else? Why didnt he go for a head coaching job? Why did he stop coaching in his prime? I would bet that PSU made it clear that the forced retirement would include a proviso that following the 1998 accusation and investigation they would not recommend him if contacted by another program. I know it is speculation, but it makes logical sense.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

 

[Christo]

@ Ashton

He'd fit in well around here.

 

[Joe Summer]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

And one from '82 that talks about found of Second Mile

Sorry if a honda to the thread. Eerie.

"linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy".

 

[Chase Stuart]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

Today the organization has 20 full-time employees, hundreds of volunteers and a fund-raising machine that rustles up about $1 million per year; through a network of school-and community-based programs it reaches about 100,000 at-risk youngsters. Jerry and Dottie have done more than their share of personal reaching, too.

 

[dhockster]

I was reading through the Grand Jury report and found it interesting that the General Counsel for Penn State at

the time of the 1998 incident, Wendell Courtney, was also the general counsel for Second Mile and continues to be

in that position today. Coincedence? I think not.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

Today the organization has 20 full-time employees, hundreds of volunteers and a fund-raising machine that rustles up about $1 million per year; through a network of school-and community-based programs it reaches about 100,000 at-risk youngsters. Jerry and Dottie have done more than their share of personal reaching, too.

Sandusky's parents, Art and Evie, ran a recreation center in Washington, Pa., and at heart, E.J. says, Sandusky is "a frustrated playground director."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

:X

 

[Mario Kart]

The name of the book is Touched.....Touched!!!

Available in signed, leatherbound edition on Ebay... just in time for Christmas.

Must buy... Al Bundy signed it.

 

[Fat Nick]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Wow. Westboro Baptist Church intends on protesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard of them protesting something actually protest-worthy. Big change in M.O.

I'm sure they'll find some way to eff it up.

They'll probably protest that the victims deserved it. WBC wants to screw it up. If it wasn't so unbelievably ugly I'd think it was schtick.

I think this is actually what they're protesting...that this happened b/c of what society did. They don't protest THAT it happened, they're there to try and convey their message that things like this are punishment to society.

 

[culdeus]

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[Doctor Detroit]

@ Ashton

He'd fit in well around here.

You know Sandusky wrote a book right?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Can I get a link to the damning report that everyone keeps referencing? I know it's been posted in here, but I haven't read it and I don't want to search for a link. Thanks in advance.

 

[dgreen]

Can I get a link to the damning report that everyone keeps referencing? I know it's been posted in here, but I haven't read it and I don't want to search for a link. Thanks in advance.

My link

 

[glumpy]

What was the mike and mike reference from 10 pages ago?

Don't know, as I haven't kept up with this thread--but they had an excellent show on it a few hours ago. The biggest thing I took from it--obviously everyone failed here, yet McQueary is getting immunity--why? It's because he is literally the Only viable witness that the prosecution has. The janitor who also brought it forth is now in an institution and doesn't have all his faculties so he can't testify. If they bring in any of the victims the defense will have to tear them down by job description--and you're very likely talking about some pretty fragile egos here. That leaves One witness, no matter how wrong we may think he was by not stepping in at the time, or at least following through to 911.

 

[The Future Champs]

Can I get a link to the damning report that everyone keeps referencing? I know it's been posted in here, but I haven't read it and I don't want to search for a link. Thanks in advance.

grand jury report- pdf

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Can I get a link to the damning report that everyone keeps referencing? I know it's been posted in here, but I haven't read it and I don't want to search for a link. Thanks in advance.

damning?the grand jury report?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=622700

 

[Kenny Powers]

The name of the book is Touched.....Touched!!!

Available in signed, leatherbound edition on Ebay... just in time for Christmas.

Jesus Im actually interested to see how much it will sell for. At $51 with 6 days left. Guaranteed soem weirdo out there will have a winning bid in the $150+ range

 

[Sinn Fein]

Can I get a link to the damning report that everyone keeps referencing? I know it's been posted in here, but I haven't read it and I don't want to search for a link. Thanks in advance.

Don't bother. The press conference was cancelled.