Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (3 Viewers)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

sandusky really had a lot of people fooled. That article is just insane with hindsight.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I was reading through the Grand Jury report and found it interesting that the General Counsel for Penn State atthe time of the 1998 incident, Wendell Courtney, was also the general counsel for Second Mile and continues to bein that position today. Coincedence? I think not.

http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/current-second-mile-counsel-courtney-previously-worked-for-psu/That is interesting. I understand attorney-client privilege and all of that. And maybe the '98 scandal wasn't that bad (you can interpret taking a shower with a boy in a couple of ways). But you have to think that this Wendell Courtney character is feeling absolutely awful today, knowing if nothing else, that he could have done something to stop the abuse. As the GC for Second Mile, he had an opportunity to do something.

 

[whoknew]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

:X

The guy who wrote that article wrote another today.Sandusky Fooled a lot of People Over the Years - Including Me.

Sometimes when you get fooled in this business, it's not so bad. You write that, say, the Patriots are unbeatable and then they get beat that week. Or you write that Kobe is in a severe shooting slump and he lays 58 on somebody the next night. A couple hundred people write you to ask, "Why do you even have a job?" and you smile and life goes on.

But other times? Other times you feel real bad when you get fooled.

I didn't even realize my small part in this foul, almost unimaginable debacle at Penn State until a friend emailed me after the sexual abuse revelations about former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky came to light.

"I guess you feel like a jerk," he said, reminding me of a 1999 feature I wrote about Sandusky and his Second Mile organization.

Then I remembered.

The genesis of the story has a subplot, as so many stories do. I had originally gone to State College to write about a 9-0 Penn State team that was challenging for the national title. I show up, and the Nittany Lions lose 24-23 to a not-very-good Minnesota team, scrapping a Penn State story.

"Well, you know, the defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, is retiring so maybe I could get a feature out of that," I told my bosses. "He runs this organization called Second Mile to give at-risk kids a second chance so ..."

It sounded like a winner. So I did it, and it appeared in the Dec. 20, 1999 issue of SI. I recall getting a few thanks-for-recognizing-Jerry letters from Penn State stalwarts, of which there are thousands and thousands, many of them in the area of Pennsylvania where I live.

I have combed through my remaining brain cells to conjure up memories about that story and can't come up with much. I met Sandusky and his wife. The story wasn't long. It was written in a hurry and has a mailed-it-in feel to it. It wasn't very good.

More to the point and most obviously, I had no suspicions about anything untoward going on with Sandusky or Second Mile. I remember that I didn't particularly like the man -- he seemed a little strange and detached and not at all joyful about what he was doing -- but none of that tipped my cynical believe-the-worst-about-anyone-until-proven-otherwise journalistic dial toward high alert.

SI senior writer Phil Taylor, who wrote a column about Sandusky in the this week's magazine, called me and said, "I found it unusual that you didn't have anything in there from the other coaches, nothing from Paterno about how wonderful this guy is or anything like that."

"I wish I could tell you why, Phil, but I can't," I told him. "Maybe I was in a rush. Maybe it got cut out for space. Maybe their quotes weren't any good. Maybe I never got back to JoePa. I had already talked to him about the main story that fell apart so ..."

No answers. No nothing.

What I do remember about the experience was the world-unto-itself isolation of the Penn State football complex. I did a couple early-morning interviews over there (not with Sandusky) and we might as well have been on the moon. It was the perfect place for a predator like Sandusky, and it's like that on most high-profile, football-driven campuses. But I'm only thinking about the consequences of that now.

Two things in particular haunt me. By the time I wrote the story, Sandusky's showering with a youngster had already triggered a campus investigation, albeit one that never became public. And the revelations in the "Jerry Sandusky Grand Jury Report" -- I recommend that to those of you who feel that Sandusky and Penn State officials are being railroaded fire up Mr. Google and read it -- reveal that some of Sandusky's worst behavior was going on right around this time. So I wrote a favorable story about a guy who was already a sexual predator.

The other thing haunting me is my last line in the story: "Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U ... and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy."

Writers love to have their stuff quoted ... unless the quotes make you look like a jerk, as these do. So go ahead, Deadspin, have at it.

What leaves me shaking my head is how badly I feel about this unfortunate story and how inconceivable it is that Joe Paterno, a man I always respected, asks us to believe that he has no culpability. He has already yakked himself into a corner.

Maybe he didn't know everything that was going on. But he knew enough. He wasn't fooled. And that's why his silence is unforgivable.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Sandusky's parents, Art and Evie, ran a recreation center in Washington, Pa., and at heart, E.J. says, Sandusky is "a frustrated playground director."

If I had to guess, I'd say Art was probably a diddler too

 

[beer 30]

This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno was not just a part, he was the beginning and the end of the program. He was "it". That interview with Tyoka Jackson and various other sources all say the same thing, it started and ended at Joe. If it went to him it was considered taken care of.Side note, given your screen name, it makes this discussion. . .different. Just sayingMcQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

 

[dgreen]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

 

[Reepicheep]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Because Sandusky is so respected, as a man and as the dean of Linebacker U, there's the impression that it's just fine with him that he has never been a head coach. It's not. "I wouldn't call it devastating," says Sandusky, choosing his words carefully, "but I would call it a little disappointing. That was definitely a goal of mine when I started. If I hadn't had the other part of my lifemy family and the Second MileI would've been a head coach."

oof

Says Millen, "A lot of people were surprised when Jerry said he was retiring. Me? I was surprised he stayed that long. Jerry has so many passions and so many gifts besides coaching footballa gift for teaching, a gift for helping, a gift for guiding kids. This is a man with a lot to do."

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

double oof

 

[slayer666]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

 

[Reepicheep]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

:X

The guy who wrote that article wrote another today.Sandusky Fooled a lot of People Over the Years - Including Me.

So many people feeling gut-punched about this, it's wierd how this guy was both borderline out-in-the-open with what he was doing, but at the same time really good at fooling people.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

He was 1998 at the time.

 

[Joe T]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Wow

:X

The guy who wrote that article wrote another today.Sandusky Fooled a lot of People Over the Years - Including Me.

So many people feeling gut-punched about this, it's wierd how this guy was both borderline out-in-the-open with what he was doing, but at the same time really good at fooling people.

Pretty text book sociopath isn't it?

 

[Reepicheep]

The guy who wrote that article wrote another today.

Sandusky Fooled a lot of People Over the Years - Including Me.

So many people feeling gut-punched about this, it's wierd how this guy was both borderline out-in-the-open with what he was doing, but at the same time really good at fooling people.

Pretty text book sociopath isn't it?

I confess I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to sociopathic norms.

 

[General Malaise]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

I wouldn't let Matt Millen manage a Subway.

 

[The Future Champs]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

welcome to the thread. It's 70 pages long. You should skim some of it.

 

[Sconch]

Says Millen, "A lot of people were surprised when Jerry said he was retiring. Me? I was surprised he stayed that long. Jerry has so many passions and so many gifts besides coaching football—a gift for teaching, a gift for helping, a gift for guiding kids. This is a man with a lot to do."

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

double oof

How is that an "oof"? Did Millen know Sandusky was a predator back then?

 

[The Future Champs]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

welcome to the thread. It's 70 pages long. You should skim some of it.

McQueary was 70 when this happened? No wonder he couldn't do anything.

At least he wrote that "tell all" book.

 

[Reepicheep]

Says Millen, "A lot of people were surprised when Jerry said he was retiring. Me? I was surprised he stayed that long. Jerry has so many passions and so many gifts besides coaching football—a gift for teaching, a gift for helping, a gift for guiding kids. This is a man with a lot to do."

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

double oof

How is that an "oof"? Did Millen know Sandusky was a predator back then?

Nothing against Millen, Sandusky had a lot of people fooled. But it just sounds terrible reading it now."so many passions"

"gift for guiding kids"

"enduring legacy"

etc.

 

[dhockster]

I was reading through the Grand Jury report and found it interesting that the General Counsel for Penn State atthe time of the 1998 incident, Wendell Courtney, was also the general counsel for Second Mile and continues to bein that position today. Coincedence? I think not.

http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/current-second-mile-counsel-courtney-previously-worked-for-psu/That is interesting. I understand attorney-client privilege and all of that. And maybe the '98 scandal wasn't that bad (you can interpret taking a shower with a boy in a couple of ways). But you have to think that this Wendell Courtney character is feeling absolutely awful today, knowing if nothing else, that he could have done something to stop the abuse. As the GC for Second Mile, he had an opportunity to do something.

Since the Second mile CEO said he was informed about the 2002 incident (although he was told it was just a minor thing), it is probably safe to assume that Courtney knew about that incident, either from the Penn State side or the Second Mile side. I am just appalled that this guy, who was the legal counsel for Second Mile and should be looking out for its client's best interests, knew about the 1998 incident and the 2002 incident and was still okay with Sandusky having "hands-on" access to the boys (pun intended).If any of you are familiar with the Book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell, there is a section that talks about plane crashes, and that basically, 7 things have to go wrong before a plane will crash. It is a series of errors that causes the catastrophic event. That is what I am sensing here, that it took about 7 prominent people (McQuary, McQuary's dad, Joe Pa, Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and Courtney) to ignore the signs for a Pedophile to remain free and active for at least 17 years.

 

[Sinn Fein]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

I wouldn't let Matt Millen manage a Subway.

I am sure he is Touched.

 

[General Malaise]

Ugh, I read most of the report. I wish I hadn't. :(

 

[johnnycakes]

This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, which was Joe Paterno of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno was not just a part, he was the beginning and the end of the program. He was "it". That interview with Tyoka Jackson and various other sources all say the same thing, it started and ended at Joe. If it went to him it was considered taken care of.Side note, given your screen name, it makes this discussion. . .different. Just saying

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

We're arguing pretty much the same point here.... that Joe Paterno WAS Penn State. I think from a civil liability perspective, that kind of argument is going to do a lot of harm to PSU, and possibly to the entire state of Pennsylvania.

 

[TobiasFunke]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

It's nice to see a guy with "666" in his alias with such concern for knowing right from wrong and such strong opinions about both morality and our justice system. That all makes a ton of sense.

 

[Sconch]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

It's nice to see a guy with "666" in his alias with such concern for knowing right from wrong and such strong opinions about both morality and our justice system. That all makes a ton of sense.

Come on, guy. That would be like someone saying they're discounting your posts because Tobias Funke is a dolt.

 

[General Malaise]

For all those saying McQueary should have called the police (and I agree, he should have) it seems to me like the police knew all about this. The report cites several incidents of the police contacting Sandusky. They knew about the showers and the inappropriate contact. Yet they did nothing about it other than advising him to stop. If McQueary had picked up the phone and called police, why would their reaction be any different from the non-action approach they used ealier?

I cannot believe the police and the DA did nothing about what was reported to them by some of the victims. They had taped conversations with Sandusky admitting he crossed a line. And yet...nothing. Unreal.

 

[Todd Andrews]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

My question goes back to what someone else raised many pages ago... what did Paterno know, and when did he know it? Were these people all afraid of Paterno personally?? Or were they afraid of the system, that system being the beneficiary of Paterno's football machine.

Well Tyoka Jackson said everything goes through joe. He also said that joe going to the AD is kicking the problem down a notch. He was only a player at PSU who was coached by Joe though, so I am not sure his perspective matters as much as the ones on this board, some bloggers, or the occupy wall street people. If you believe Tyoka's clear character assassination of Paterno you would think he likely knew a lot about this all along. I THINK we have some indicat5ion of what he knew and when in the Grand Jury report, however 2 cautions:

1) I don't know if the grand jury report has been leaked to the web yet

2) there are rumors that sometimes people lie to grand juries, so joe could know less than he said and have perjured himself to not look bad

clearly the only way we'll ever get answers is if Gerry Sandusky writes a book

C.R.E.®

 

[Sconch]

Says Millen, "A lot of people were surprised when Jerry said he was retiring. Me? I was surprised he stayed that long. Jerry has so many passions and so many gifts besides coaching football—a gift for teaching, a gift for helping, a gift for guiding kids. This is a man with a lot to do."

Here's the best thing you can say about Jerry Sandusky: He's the main reason that Penn State is Linebacker U...and linebackers aren't even his enduring legacy.

double oof

How is that an "oof"? Did Millen know Sandusky was a predator back then?

Nothing against Millen, Sandusky had a lot of people fooled. But it just sounds terrible reading it now."so many passions"

"gift for guiding kids"

"enduring legacy"

etc.

I guess that's pretty much the theme of this whole thing. If Sandusky was a ex-con crack-smoker nobody would be surprised.

 

[Billy Bats]

He retired in 1999.

Pretty sure Sandusky was around 53 or 54 at the time he retired, and considered by far one the very best most innovative defensive coordinators in college football. Why didnt he go somewhere else? Why didnt he go for a head coaching job? Why did he stop coaching in his prime? I would bet that PSU made it clear that the forced retirement would include a proviso that following the 1998 accusation and investigation they would not recommend him if contacted by another program. I know it is speculation, but it makes logical sense.

Why would he want to go and coach somewhere else? He had everything setup perfectly. A legacy that made him obviously untouchable within Penn St. Free reign to terrorize his victims wherever he wanted to on campus. And a foundation that supplied him with his victims. It took him 30+ years to build his evil empire, you think he wanted to start all that over at 55? Now I'm going to go throw up my dinner.

 

[TobiasFunke]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

It's nice to see a guy with "666" in his alias with such concern for knowing right from wrong and such strong opinions about both morality and our justice system. That all makes a ton of sense.

Come on, guy. That would be like someone saying they're discounting your posts because Tobias Funke is a dolt.

Just thought it was kinda funny is all. I'm not attacking the guy. People make cracks about my alias all the time. Although I'd probably recommend not doing so in this particular thread. Thin ice there. Tempting, though.

 

[johnnycakes]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

It's nice to see a guy with "666" in his alias with such concern for knowing right from wrong and such strong opinions about both morality and our justice system. That all makes a ton of sense.

Come on, guy. That would be like someone saying they're discounting your posts because Tobias Funke is a dolt.

Or thinking I'm gay because the Sopranos character pictured played a gay firefighter and hash slinger.

 

[Todd Andrews]

From Page 22:

"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

So he basically acted in the same manner as McQueary? In theory then, they committed the same error. Am I crucifying him for that? No. I'm not really crucifying anyone here. (I'm only using the word 'vitrol' because it's been thrown around a lot in this thread and it's a cool word.) But, if this janitor was still employed by the University, I'd probably be in favor of firing him. I'd understand his lack of inaction more than Paterno's and McQueary's simply based on his life situation, but that doesn't excuse him.

Sure, I guess. But when you're talking about moral judgments I think you need to factor in the personal cost to doing the "moral" thing. A graduate assistant probably isn't gonna worry that if he's out of a job he'll end up homeless, and he's also probably gonna be treated more seriously by the cops, or at least that's how a janitor might feel. There's a lot people don't know or understand.To that end I think there's something to the post a while back about how nobody went beyond reporting what they knew to their supervisors, and yet everyone here is 100% they would have marched right into the police station and demanded justice. That's easy to say on a message board, but real world decisions are far complicated. The janitor at least and maybe the grad assistant too were probably intimidated, maybe petrified. That influences decision-making, certainly subconsciously if not consciously. They may have been told something or somehow gotten a vibe that the matter was absolutely under control or wasn't as serious as they perceived it to be or whatever. When you're a low on the food chain there's a lot of things going on that people here seem unwilling to contemplate because it doesn't fit their notion that every person named in that grand jury report is the devil because of what one horrible monster did.

All of that goes towards explain why something happened. It helps to understand things and I get that. A lot of people have said things like, "While I would have beat the guy up, I can understand McQueary not doing so in the heat of the moment." And, I agree with you that none of really know how we'd react in such a situation and that our current life situation could likely play a role. I'm actually very confident that I would not physically break it up and separate him from the boy. I'm a non-confrontational type of guy in real life. I've never been in a real fight.However, none of that understanding and perspective and explanation of why a janitor would do what he did says whether that action was right or wrong. A lot of the conversation here has been about what SHOULD have been done (by anyone who is a fully-functioning adult human being). That's different than saying, "100% chance I would have done the right thing."

I would have bum rushed Sandusky.

 

[The Future Champs]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

Actually, all you smartasses missed the boat on this. Jim DID report this upwards to his supervisor, Jim Witherite. Also to fellow employee Ronald Petrosky. So where are these guys? Jim Witherite, the supervisor to whom the janitor did report.... why didn't he report anything upwards... or did he? Again, this coverup isn't just Paterno. I think people rightfully were afraid to make waves for fear of losing their jobs or being made to look like a nut case if they couldn't prove their case if reported. This whole debacle speaks to Penn State as an institution, of which Paterno was a part.

Paterno is a pretty significant PART thoughI mean, the Cylinder Head and the ash tray are both parts of my car, but they are not exactly equal

My question goes back to what someone else raised many pages ago... what did Paterno know, and when did he know it? Were these people all afraid of Paterno personally?? Or were they afraid of the system, that system being the beneficiary of Paterno's football machine.

Well Tyoka Jackson said everything goes through joe. He also said that joe going to the AD is kicking the problem down a notch. He was only a player at PSU who was coached by Joe though, so I am not sure his perspective matters as much as the ones on this board, some bloggers, or the occupy wall street people. If you believe Tyoka's clear character assassination of Paterno you would think he likely knew a lot about this all along. I THINK we have some indicat5ion of what he knew and when in the Grand Jury report, however 2 cautions:

1) I don't know if the grand jury report has been leaked to the web yet

2) there are rumors that sometimes people lie to grand juries, so joe could know less than he said and have perjured himself to not look bad

clearly the only way we'll ever get answers is if Gerry Sandusky writes a book

I think we should explore this avenue.

vote tyoka

 

[Sconch]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

It's nice to see a guy with "666" in his alias with such concern for knowing right from wrong and such strong opinions about both morality and our justice system. That all makes a ton of sense.

Come on, guy. That would be like someone saying they're discounting your posts because Tobias Funke is a dolt.

Or thinking I'm gay because the Sopranos character pictured played a gay firefighter and hash slinger.

Exactly. That's not why we think you're gay.HEYYYYOOOOO!

 

[Billy Bats]

This might be a stupid question, but it's one I don't know the answer to and I'm curious. Has it been stated how/why this grand jury investigation started 3 years ago?

 

[Zegras11]

For all those saying McQueary should have called the police (and I agree, he should have) it seems to me like the police knew all about this. The report cites several incidents of the police contacting Sandusky. They knew about the showers and the inappropriate contact. Yet they did nothing about it other than advising him to stop. If McQueary had picked up the phone and called police, why would their reaction be any different from the non-action approach they used ealier? I cannot believe the police and the DA did nothing about what was reported to them by some of the victims. They had taped conversations with Sandusky admitting he crossed a line. And yet...nothing. Unreal.

yep... It's going to be 1000x worse if all the info eventually gets out.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Can I get a link to the damning report that everyone keeps referencing? I know it's been posted in here, but I haven't read it and I don't want to search for a link. Thanks in advance.

damning?the grand jury report?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=622700

probably. Whatever report that has made people disgusted about JoePa.

 

[slayer666]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

welcome to the thread. It's 70 pages long. You should skim some of it.

So everyone in this massive thread thinks Joe Paterno and Mark McQueery are cowards? Excellent, because I didn't take the time to read all 70 pages. As for Tobias Funke... I have to be excellent to you to avoid being banned. I love you man.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

This might be a stupid question, but it's one I don't know the answer to and I'm curious. Has it been stated how/why this grand jury investigation started 3 years ago?

yes. victim 1.this story has been posted here several times already:http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

 

[Todd Andrews]

1999 SI article from when Sandusky retired

I actually hadn't seen that before. Just creepy reading that now. Wow.

Takeaway quote: Sandusky: "Ive been fired."

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

probably. Whatever report that has made people disgusted about JoePa.

this was the first thing I read on it:http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

 

[TobiasFunke]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

welcome to the thread. It's 70 pages long. You should skim some of it.

So everyone in this massive thread thinks Joe Paterno and Mark McQueery are cowards? Excellent, because I didn't take the time to read all 70 pages. As for Tobias Funke... I have to be excellent to you to avoid being banned. I love you man.

Come on ... my alias + this thread topic ... how can you resist? Also, regarding your question ... yeah, pretty much. Just to varying degrees.I think you might be the first to roll out "McQueery," though.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Has the healing started?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Has the healing started?

why do you keep asking this?Process of healing begins for Penn State

 

[Don Quixote]

Posnanski took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

 

[Billy Bats]

This might be a stupid question, but it's one I don't know the answer to and I'm curious. Has it been stated how/why this grand jury investigation started 3 years ago?

yes. victim 1.this story has been posted here several times already:

http://www.pennlive....rry_sandus.html

Wow, read that story too. Never picked up on it all being started by a kid coming forward and filing a complaint in 2008. Reading comprehension fail.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Posnanski took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

 

[slayer666]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

welcome to the thread. It's 70 pages long. You should skim some of it.

So everyone in this massive thread thinks Joe Paterno and Mark McQueery are cowards? Excellent, because I didn't take the time to read all 70 pages. As for Tobias Funke... I have to be excellent to you to avoid being banned. I love you man.

Come on ... my alias + this thread topic ... how can you resist? Also, regarding your question ... yeah, pretty much. Just to varying degrees.I think you might be the first to roll out "McQueery," though.

Sorry for the oversight, I never watched Arrested Development.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Posnanski took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

Excellent article.

 

[naomi]

For all those saying McQueary should have called the police (and I agree, he should have) it seems to me like the police knew all about this. The report cites several incidents of the police contacting Sandusky. They knew about the showers and the inappropriate contact. Yet they did nothing about it other than advising him to stop. If McQueary had picked up the phone and called police, why would their reaction be any different from the non-action approach they used ealier?

I cannot believe the police and the DA did nothing about what was reported to them by some of the victims. They had taped conversations with Sandusky admitting he crossed a line. And yet...nothing. Unreal.

It sounds like a network of people with power (including on the law enforcement side) helped cover it over. Given how long this thread is, I'm guessing what happened to the DA must have been brought up already...but you have a DA who had wanted to press charges against Sandusky and Penn State go missing in 05. His car abandoned in a parking lot, his laptop thrown into the Susquehanna river without its hard drive. According to friends and relatives he did care about what he thought was going on.

When it comes to the Sandusky case, friends and former co-workers are all of the opinion that Ray Gricar would never back down from a righteous prosecution.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” Anthony De Boef, who was an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years told the NY Times. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

And, despite the fact that Ray Gricar had the mother of one of the alleged victims confront Sandusky while police listened, the 1998 report on Sandusky was labeled “unfounded” by the District Attorney’s Office, reports the Patriot-News.

“I would say this about Ray: He would be extremely cautious in proceeding because he wanted to make sure that there would be a reasonable likelihood of conviction,” Buehner told the Patriot News. “You don’t want to go after someone high profile unless you have a compelling case.”

linkFrom our vantage point, Gricar did have a compelling case. But if there were people with sway on that side of things who didn't want it prosecuted, compelling wouldn't be enough.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Buzz Bissinger gets it.