Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (5 Viewers)

[AmosMoses]

The name of the book is Touched.....Touched!!!

Available in signed, leatherbound edition on Ebay... just in time for Christmas.

For the NAMBLA member with everything...

 

[Mario Kart]

took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

I doubt it will happen but some of the "angrier" people in this thread need to come down from their podiums and actually look a some facts instead of speculations. This article sums up what many of the "Paterno apologists", that some of us have been painted as, have been trying to say. Paterno has paid dearly for, as we know right now, little involvement he had. Others have been charged with crimes, actual witnesses still have their jobs, the actual perp is out on bail yet Paterno has been the focus. Why?The cloud is still in the air, the dust still floating around and people have been calling for Paterno's head, unjustly mind you. Scapegoat? So far, yes.

 

[Dragons]

Penn State student body has been criticized plenty, and deservedly so, but this is a class move. Not overwhelming, but it's nice to see some hearts in the right places.

Wow. Westboro Baptist Church intends on protesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard of them protesting something actually protest-worthy. Big change in M.O.

I'm sure they'll find some way to eff it up.

They'll probably protest that the victims deserved it. WBC wants to screw it up. If it wasn't so unbelievably ugly I'd think it was schtick.

I think this is actually what they're protesting...that this happened b/c of what society did. They don't protest THAT it happened, they're there to try and convey their message that things like this are punishment to society.

They pretty much always protest that god hates ####, don't they? And that all that's wrong and bad in America is because of our soft stance on gay issues.They just use high profile events to get their message out.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Others have been charged with crimes, actual witnesses still have their jobs, the actual perp is out on bail yet Paterno has been the focus. Why?

Because Paterno is famous. He's the main reason this story is so big.

 

[Serenity Now]

So for the people who are defending Paterno for passing this up the chain of command -- should the Nazi soldiers who were "just following orders" have gotten off, too? Can you even hear yourself here? "He didn't know if it was true or not" is the best you've got? How can an honorable man sleep at night knowing his failure to act has put so many children in harm's way?

You just compared Paterno, who did nothing legally wrong to "Nazi Soldiers"? Obviously the media has convinced you with out all the facts.Sandusky is the criminal, i love all the self righteous people making remarks as if everything was so simple.Everyone on this board has not reported something of great importance, if you say no you lose all credibility.As a lwayer and district attorney for 20 years, studies show 100% of people have not reported an illegal act that needs action to the police.its obvious people do not read total posts or respect anyones opinion, even if its and educated one from one with legal experience.maybe i'm naive to think on a message forum people would be reasonable instead everyone sayd "Joe must be fired because the media says so, even after his name is only in the report as the person who reported the incident.If just finding out everyone here on footballguys is an expert on all things I guess.

So you're saying you think it's perfectly fine that Paterno said he told his superiors and washed his hands of the situation? It's a similar situation to "just following orders". I have never witnessed or been told that children were being raped at my place of business where I have been in charge for decades. I've read grand jury report and I have 20 years experience working as a professional social worker. You're not the only one with real world experience.Of course Sandusky is a criminal. But I think it's fair to consider Penn State's coverup of his criminal activity and all those involved in doing so. Including Paterno. You're going to look foolish as this continues to unfold.

 

[Todd Andrews]

took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

I doubt it will happen but some of the "angrier" people in this thread need to come down from their podiums and actually look a some facts instead of speculations. This article sums up what many of the "Paterno apologists", that some of us have been painted as, have been trying to say. Paterno has paid dearly for, as we know right now, little involvement he had. Others have been charged with crimes, actual witnesses still have their jobs, the actual perp is out on bail yet Paterno has been the focus. Why?The cloud is still in the air, the dust still floating around and people have been calling for Paterno's head, unjustly mind you. Scapegoat? So far, yes.

That article is a joke by a self-interested Paterno worshiper watching sales numbers for his upcoming now canceled fawning Paterno bio go swirling down the toilet bowl. Pathetic.

 

[BassNBrew]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

So he kicks the guys ###, gets prosecuted for assualt and fired at the same time. The police did look into it and didn't do anything. Seems like the guy made the right call.

 

[Mario Kart]

Buzz Bissinger gets it.

What high school does that author go to? That high school newspaper is not that good.

 

[AmosMoses]

The guy who wrote that article wrote another today.

Sandusky Fooled a lot of People Over the Years - Including Me.

So many people feeling gut-punched about this, it's wierd how this guy was both borderline out-in-the-open with what he was doing, but at the same time really good at fooling people.

Pretty text book sociopath isn't it?

I confess I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to sociopathic norms.

You can be an expert. This is the internet, afterall.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Buzz Bissinger gets it.

What high school does that author go to? That high school newspaper is not that good.

Guy wrote Friday Night Lights, dummy.

 

[Mario Kart]

took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

I doubt it will happen but some of the "angrier" people in this thread need to come down from their podiums and actually look a some facts instead of speculations. This article sums up what many of the "Paterno apologists", that some of us have been painted as, have been trying to say. Paterno has paid dearly for, as we know right now, little involvement he had. Others have been charged with crimes, actual witnesses still have their jobs, the actual perp is out on bail yet Paterno has been the focus. Why?The cloud is still in the air, the dust still floating around and people have been calling for Paterno's head, unjustly mind you. Scapegoat? So far, yes.

That article is a joke by a self-interested Paterno worshiper watching sales numbers for his upcoming now canceled fawning Paterno bio go swirling down the toilet bowl. Pathetic.

You are angry, I get that. Compared to what is known right now and what will be known, say a year from now, I find it odd that your anger hovers around Paterno. That is your right to do but given the information we currently have, the amount of anger you have seems to be unfounded. Oh well, PEACE!

 

[Todd Andrews]

took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

I doubt it will happen but some of the "angrier" people in this thread need to come down from their podiums and actually look a some facts instead of speculations. This article sums up what many of the "Paterno apologists", that some of us have been painted as, have been trying to say. Paterno has paid dearly for, as we know right now, little involvement he had. Others have been charged with crimes, actual witnesses still have their jobs, the actual perp is out on bail yet Paterno has been the focus. Why?The cloud is still in the air, the dust still floating around and people have been calling for Paterno's head, unjustly mind you. Scapegoat? So far, yes.

That article is a joke by a self-interested Paterno worshiper watching sales numbers for his upcoming now canceled fawning Paterno bio go swirling down the toilet bowl. Pathetic.

You are angry, I get that. Compared to what is known right now and what will be known, say a year from now, I find it odd that your anger hovers around Paterno. That is your right to do but given the information we currently have, the amount of anger you have seems to be unfounded. Oh well, PEACE!

You are correct: I am angry at all of those child rape enablers, top to bottom. More people should be.

 

[johnnycakes]

Breaking news with Brian Williams: PSU missed opportunities to stop Sandusky. Actually, not a bad Reader's Digest recap of the whole debacle.

NBC video about Paterno's firing.

 

[Chase Stuart]

took some heat on Twitter earlier today for calling Paterno a "scapegoat." He's got a good read up now: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

I doubt it will happen but some of the "angrier" people in this thread need to come down from their podiums and actually look a some facts instead of speculations. This article sums up what many of the "Paterno apologists", that some of us have been painted as, have been trying to say. Paterno has paid dearly for, as we know right now, little involvement he had. Others have been charged with crimes, actual witnesses still have their jobs, the actual perp is out on bail yet Paterno has been the focus. Why?The cloud is still in the air, the dust still floating around and people have been calling for Paterno's head, unjustly mind you. Scapegoat? So far, yes.

I thought the Posnanski article was soft on him, as he implied it would be in his disclaimer.Look, I loved Paterno more than most on this board. But people waiting for the smoking gun are being too kind. We're not going to get the bugged conversation where we found out what Paterno knew.

Paterno's never going to come out and admit that he knew kids were getting sodomized by Sandusky. Honestly, it's unlikely that McQueary or Curley/Spanier will say that, too. That doesn't mean it wasn't the case.

I'm in the camp that Paterno knew what was going on. But let's take the other side. Think of the most favorable Paterno position you could take. McQueary says something like "Joe, something... weird was going on with Sandusky. Do you want the gory details?"

JoePa: "Woah... Uh, no. Go tell Curley."

Okay, let's just say Joe decided he didn't want to hear, and he didn't really know.

The story comes out on Saturday. What's your reaction?

If you're an honorable man -- the figure and image we all want to have of Joe -- you are apalled. You wonder how you let this happen under your watch. You're disgusted. This is like a right hook from Mike Tyson. Oh my goodness, what have I done?

I'm going to go on TV, apologize, cry. I'm going to resign. I'm going to devote my life to fixing this wrong.

Paterno has been quiet as all hell. He fought to keep his job. He doesn't look like a man who's blindsided by crazy allegations. He looks like a man who still is running his power play.

I loved JoePa. I won't say this overrides his whole career, although I'm sure the family members of his victims think as much. I agree with the PTI guys, who said nobody wants to be judged by their worst hour. We've all done bad things. But these articles and voices saying who knows what JoePa knew is total BS, IMO. He knew.

 

[renesauz]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.Paterno rightly told him to take it to the AD. Sandusky was NOT his employee at that time, he was NOT under JoePa's direct supervision. His supervisor, if there was one...was the AD.Paterno should have done more...there's no doubt about that, but what more? WHy is he taking the huge brunt of the heat in the press and the public eye? I don't know enough to say whether Paterno should or should not have been fired...but I do know enough to say that the vitriol thrown his way in the media right now is over the top wrong. And I would vehemently argue that this has nothing to do with the program other than a couple key players were coaches. This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

this is simply not accurate at all.

 

[drfeelgood]

Look, I loved Paterno more than most on this board.

I find that very hard to believe, and you seem like you are on a feeding frenzy high with all of this.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

 

[Patroclus]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.Paterno rightly told him to take it to the AD. Sandusky was NOT his employee at that time, he was NOT under JoePa's direct supervision. His supervisor, if there was one...was the AD.Paterno should have done more...there's no doubt about that, but what more? WHy is he taking the huge brunt of the heat in the press and the public eye? I don't know enough to say whether Paterno should or should not have been fired...but I do know enough to say that the vitriol thrown his way in the media right now is over the top wrong. And I would vehemently argue that this has nothing to do with the program other than a couple key players were coaches. This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

How can this have nothing to do with them? Many of the incidents happened in the Penn St football facility on campus. Several of the assaults were witnessed by Penn St staff. This is all fact. And at this point it looks like some very heavy covering up happened by Penn St. That will come out in the future. Joe Pa and a lot of other Penn Staters are going down.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

renesauz>if Sandusky wasn't part of the program and had nothing to do with the team, why was he in a locked locker room at 9:30pm on a Friday night with a young boy?

do you really think Joe was not powerful enough to stop him if he wanted to?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.Paterno rightly told him to take it to the AD. Sandusky was NOT his employee at that time, he was NOT under JoePa's direct supervision. His supervisor, if there was one...was the AD.Paterno should have done more...there's no doubt about that, but what more? WHy is he taking the huge brunt of the heat in the press and the public eye? I don't know enough to say whether Paterno should or should not have been fired...but I do know enough to say that the vitriol thrown his way in the media right now is over the top wrong. And I would vehemently argue that this has nothing to do with the program other than a couple key players were coaches. This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

Let it go, man. It's over.

 

[Courtjester]

renesauz>if Sandusky wasn't part of the program and had nothing to do with the team, why was he in a locked locker room at 9:30pm on a Friday night with a young boy?

I am guessing Chuckie Cheese was closed....

 

[belljr]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

22 is old enough to know right from wrong.He should have kicked the #### out of Sandusky (then called the police) for sodomizing a 10-year old boy. McQueery is a coward, as is Joe Pa. IMO, they should be worrying about criminal charges instead of just losing their jobs.

So he kicks the guys ###, gets prosecuted for assualt and fired at the same time. The police did look into it and didn't do anything. Seems like the guy made the right call.

Um no they didn't. 1998 They did. 2002 they were never notified

 

[culdeus]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.Paterno rightly told him to take it to the AD. Sandusky was NOT his employee at that time, he was NOT under JoePa's direct supervision. His supervisor, if there was one...was the AD.Paterno should have done more...there's no doubt about that, but what more? WHy is he taking the huge brunt of the heat in the press and the public eye? I don't know enough to say whether Paterno should or should not have been fired...but I do know enough to say that the vitriol thrown his way in the media right now is over the top wrong. And I would vehemently argue that this has nothing to do with the program other than a couple key players were coaches. This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

So Paterno who was a child rape enabler and maybe had a facilitation program set up to peddle young boys to donors to a billion dollar endowment created of his own making had zero to do with the team? It's entirely possible the entire penn state athletic program was built on young boys. At this point it's just a matter of figuring out how deep into the program this goes.

 

[Dragons]

If Paterno had resigned on Monday, he wouldn't get nearly as much vitriol as he has received.

 

[GOB]

Long term, how screwed is Penn State football?

I'm not even sure Schiano would want any part of it.

 

[renesauz]

This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

this is simply not accurate at all.

It's 100% accurate unless you take the stance that Paterno really IS the alpha and omega of the football program. Sorry...I don't buy that stance. Recruiting and actual coaching were unaffected. Sandusky used facilities, but he didn't report to Joe Paterno...he wasn't even a coach anymore!If a coach gets caught drunk driving...is that on the coach or the program? If a coach murders his wife...is that on the program? This incident has nothing to do with the coach or the team, and everything to do with the individuals named. Do you expect NCAA sanctions? I wouldn't,because it had nothing to do with the on field athletic product. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

this is simply not accurate at all.

It's 100% accurate unless you take the stance that Paterno really IS the alpha and omega of the football program. Sorry...I don't buy that stance. Recruiting and actual coaching were unaffected. Sandusky used facilities, but he didn't report to Joe Paterno...he wasn't even a coach anymore!If a coach gets caught drunk driving...is that on the coach or the program? If a coach murders his wife...is that on the program? This incident has nothing to do with the coach or the team, and everything to do with the individuals named. Do you expect NCAA sanctions? I wouldn't,because it had nothing to do with the on field athletic product. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

if a former coach uses the athletic facilities and his connection with the program to commit his crimes while the people running the program and the school look the other way, it has a hell of a lot more than zero to do with the team.if he wasn't part of the program, why was he working out with players last week? why was he traveling with the team to bowl games? why was he granted Emeritus status in the first place? why did he have an office there, etc?

how could he commit these heinous acts this without the cover and protection of the football program and university?

 

[Mario Kart]

So Paterno who was a child rape enabler and maybe had a facilitation program set up to peddle young boys to donors to a billion dollar endowment created of his own making had zero to do with the team?

WTF?

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

Couldn't have been. He was at PSU in 1994. Say he's 18 then. That's puts him at 26 at the youngest.

 

[CrossEyed]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

220, 221.

 

[renesauz]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

Which is why he was under the authority of the AD...not under the authority of Paterno.Look...I understand the firing. Paterno isn't 100% blameless in this. What I don't understand is why he's being made the story, why he's the #1 target (after Sandusky himself that is) of the press' anger, and becoming #1 target of the public's as a result. He didn't do NOTHING...he reported it to the guy who WAS in charge of Sandusky. Apparently, an investigation WAS done. Our anger should be on the campus cops and DA that decided not to do more, not on the guys who reported it for not insisting on more. And McQueary, if he saw rape and didn't actively try to stop it...should be charged as an accesory.The fact that PAterno is fired and McQueary isn't is atrocious, ridiculous, mind boggling.

 

[Billy Bats]

This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

this is simply not accurate at all.

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

Campus police?! The same police force that are controlled by the people who covered this whole thing up and swept it under the rug?? Yea calling them is the same as calling the real police.

 

[hook014]

This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

this is simply not accurate at all.

It's 100% accurate unless you take the stance that Paterno really IS the alpha and omega of the football program. Sorry...I don't buy that stance. Recruiting and actual coaching were unaffected. Sandusky used facilities, but he didn't report to Joe Paterno...he wasn't even a coach anymore!If a coach gets caught drunk driving...is that on the coach or the program? If a coach murders his wife...is that on the program? This incident has nothing to do with the coach or the team, and everything to do with the individuals named. Do you expect NCAA sanctions? I wouldn't,because it had nothing to do with the on field athletic product. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

if a former coach USES the athletic facilities and his connection with the program to commit his crimes while the people running the program and the school look the other way, it has a hell of a lot more than zero to do with the team.

Agreed. Renesauz is way off base with this.

 

[Billy Bats]

McQueary was 28 at the time of the incident in case this wasn't covered yet.

22

Couldn't have been. He was at PSU in 1994. Say he's 18 then. That's puts him at 26 at the youngest.

He was 28 at the time.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Does anyone know how old McQueary was in 2002?

220, 221.

What do you mean; I don't get it.

 

[mad sweeney]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

Which is why he was under the authority of the AD...not under the authority of Paterno.Look...I understand the firing. Paterno isn't 100% blameless in this. What I don't understand is why he's being made the story, why he's the #1 target (after Sandusky himself that is) of the press' anger, and becoming #1 target of the public's as a result. He didn't do NOTHING...he reported it to the guy who WAS in charge of Sandusky. Apparently, an investigation WAS done. Our anger should be on the campus cops and DA that decided not to do more, not on the guys who reported it for not insisting on more. And McQueary, if he saw rape and didn't actively try to stop it...should be charged as an accesory.The fact that PAterno is fired and McQueary isn't is atrocious, ridiculous, mind boggling.

The last paragraph is finally something that makes sense.

 

[BassNBrew]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

So when a staff member goes off the deep end we should consider him part of the FBG program and hold the rest of the staff accountable?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Look...I understand the firing. Paterno isn't 100% blameless in this. What I don't understand is why he's being made the story, why he's the #1 target (after Sandusky himself that is) of the press' anger, and becoming #1 target of the public's as a result. He didn't do NOTHING...he reported it to the guy who WAS in charge of Sandusky. Apparently, an investigation WAS done. Our anger should be on the campus cops and DA that decided not to do more, not on the guys who reported it for not insisting on more. And McQueary, if he saw rape and didn't actively try to stop it...should be charged as an accesory.The fact that PAterno is fired and McQueary isn't is atrocious, ridiculous, mind boggling.

he's being made the story because nobody is defending guys like Sandusky or Curley here. people are defending Joe. also, he's the most famous person involved, extremely powerful at that university, and was the first person the witness came to with his report so he saw how upset McQueary was and obviously trusted him.he saw Sandusky hanging around the program with young boys for years AFTER hearing about this incident, and likely after hearing about the 1998 investigation as well. heck, he had to know about the grand jury stuff going on earlier this year and still didn't stop Sandusky from hanging around.

 

[hook014]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

Which is why he was under the authority of the AD...not under the authority of Paterno.Look...I understand the firing. Paterno isn't 100% blameless in this. What I don't understand is why he's being made the story, why he's the #1 target (after Sandusky himself that is) of the press' anger, and becoming #1 target of the public's as a result. He didn't do NOTHING...he reported it to the guy who WAS in charge of Sandusky. Apparently, an investigation WAS done. Our anger should be on the campus cops and DA that decided not to do more, not on the guys who reported it for not insisting on more. And McQueary, if he saw rape and didn't actively try to stop it...should be charged as an accesory.The fact that PAterno is fired and McQueary isn't is atrocious, ridiculous, mind boggling.

McQueary should be gone too.But exempting Paterno from focus is willfully ignoring how their organizational power structure works.

 

[David Yudkin]

It's 100% accurate unless you take the stance that Paterno really IS the alpha and omega of the football program. Sorry...I don't buy that stance. Recruiting and actual coaching were unaffected. Sandusky used facilities, but he didn't report to Joe Paterno...he wasn't even a coach anymore!

If a coach gets caught drunk driving...is that on the coach or the program? If a coach murders his wife...is that on the program? This incident has nothing to do with the coach or the team, and everything to do with the individuals named. Do you expect NCAA sanctions? I wouldn't,because it had nothing to do with the on field athletic product. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

This story has been on every tv and radio station, web site, and media outlet. You're right in that it has nothing to do with any players on a football field or the players on the team. But you are in major denial that the NCAA will let this go, as there will be major repurcussions. This is 1000 times worse than the OSU tattoo scandal.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

So when a staff member goes off the deep end we should consider him part of the FBG program and hold the rest of the staff accountable?

Not unless Joe Bryant signs off on it.

 

[Christo]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.Paterno rightly told him to take it to the AD. Sandusky was NOT his employee at that time, he was NOT under JoePa's direct supervision. His supervisor, if there was one...was the AD.

Paterno should have done more...there's no doubt about that, but what more? WHy is he taking the huge brunt of the heat in the press and the public eye?

I don't know enough to say whether Paterno should or should not have been fired...but I do know enough to say that the vitriol thrown his way in the media right now is over the top wrong.

And I would vehemently argue that this has nothing to do with the program other than a couple key players were coaches. This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

This was OUTSIDE the program...it had ZERO to do with the team.

this is simply not accurate at all.

It's 100% accurate unless you take the stance that Paterno really IS the alpha and omega of the football program. Sorry...I don't buy that stance. Recruiting and actual coaching were unaffected. Sandusky used facilities, but he didn't report to Joe Paterno...he wasn't even a coach anymore!If a coach gets caught drunk driving...is that on the coach or the program? If a coach murders his wife...is that on the program? This incident has nothing to do with the coach or the team, and everything to do with the individuals named. Do you expect NCAA sanctions? I wouldn't,because it had nothing to do with the on field athletic product. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

Dee-Ny-Uhl

 

[Billy Bats]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

So when a staff member goes off the deep end we should consider him part of the FBG program and hold the rest of the staff accountable?

If he uses the FBG site to perpetrate violent crimes and they're aware and cover it up, then yes.

 

[renesauz]

renesauz>if Sandusky wasn't part of the program and had nothing to do with the team, why was he in a locked locker room at 9:30pm on a Friday night with a young boy?do you really think Joe was not powerful enough to stop him if he wanted to?

Do you really think PSU football players and personel are the ONLY ones allowed to use facilities? NOBODY else shares ANY of those facilities? Football facilities at EVERY campus are occassionaly used by other organizations both out of season and in season. Just because some charity used some locker room doesn't mean they were "part of the football program".Could Joe Paterno have done more. ABSOLUTELY! But Paterno was not his boss, and he was NOT the witness. Had Sandusky been arested and charged then, Paterno would have never even been called to testify. Who holds more repsonsibility...the guy who witnesses a crime and doesn't report it, or the 3rd party he told about it? Joe Paterno passed it along to people with investigative power. He was NOT the witness.Again...Paterno holds blame, just not the blame he's getting. (Based on what we know...clearly there's a lot we don't know.)

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

So when a staff member goes off the deep end we should consider him part of the FBG program and hold the rest of the staff accountable?

if a former FBG staff member commits some type of fraud on this message board thanks to his prior connection with this website, and Joe or David learn about it but don't do anything to stop it, would anyone really say that they were not responsible in some way? would anyone try to argue that it had nothing to do with FBG since he was no longer part of the staff?of course not.

 

[Billy Bats]

It's 100% accurate unless you take the stance that Paterno really IS the alpha and omega of the football program. Sorry...I don't buy that stance. Recruiting and actual coaching were unaffected. Sandusky used facilities, but he didn't report to Joe Paterno...he wasn't even a coach anymore!

If a coach gets caught drunk driving...is that on the coach or the program? If a coach murders his wife...is that on the program? This incident has nothing to do with the coach or the team, and everything to do with the individuals named. Do you expect NCAA sanctions? I wouldn't,because it had nothing to do with the on field athletic product. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing.....campus police are real cops, at least on a major campus like that. Reporting an incident to campus police isshould be every bit equivalent to calling city police.

This story has been on every tv and radio station, web site, and media outlet. You're right in that it has nothing to do with any players on a football field or the players on the team. But you are in major denial that the NCAA will let this go, as there will be major repurcussions. This is 1000 times worse than the OSU tattoo scandal.

I heard an update on radio today saying after all the criminal investigations are done with, the NCAA will do a little investigation of their own. PS is most certainly not out of the woods with the NCAA.

 

[renesauz]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

How does the buck stop at coach Paterno? SANDUSKY WAS NO LONGER ON THE COACHING STAFF. He was NO LONGER PART OF THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

no. he had an office there. he used the facilities to rape young boys. he brought his victims with him as part of the traveling party with the team. he brought the victims to practices. He was most definitely part of the program even if he wasn't collecting checks from them.

So when a staff member goes off the deep end we should consider him part of the FBG program and hold the rest of the staff accountable?

If he uses the FBG site to perpetrate violent crimes and they're aware and cover it up, then yes.

Absolutely...but how is it "covering it up" to report it to your boss? And if an on campus investigation happens and declares no problem, how is it then still on Paterno? HE DIDN'T SEE IT. HE'S NOT THE WITNESS.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Do you really think PSU football players and personel are the ONLY ones allowed to use facilities? NOBODY else shares ANY of those facilities? Football facilities at EVERY campus are occassionaly used by other organizations both out of season and in season. Just because some charity used some locker room doesn't mean they were "part of the football program".Could Joe Paterno have done more. ABSOLUTELY! But Paterno was not his boss, and he was NOT the witness. Had Sandusky been arested and charged then, Paterno would have never even been called to testify. Who holds more repsonsibility...the guy who witnesses a crime and doesn't report it, or the 3rd party he told about it? Joe Paterno passed it along to people with investigative power. He was NOT the witness.Again...Paterno holds blame, just not the blame he's getting. (Based on what we know...clearly there's a lot we don't know.)

McQueary seemed surprised that anyone else was in there. Makes it sound like it was not exactly open to anyone who didn't have prior permission/access.So, your argument is that Paterno was not as powerful as we are led to believe by pretty much everybody associated with the program over the past 10 years?If you think Paterno deserves blame, then why are you so upset about this? He's not going to jail. He's going to be fine.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Sandusky had Professor Emeritus status. So he had an office and keys to the facility and so forth.

Edit: This was part of his retirement and this was all in the grand jury doc.