Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

[Jutz]

The only point I am attempting to make is, let's not completely dismiss all the good he did. Lets not forget the report did make it to the president And let's not forget hindsight is 20/20.

Well it was said above, with the trial happening and it being fresh in the minds of everyone, now doesn't seem to be an appropriate time to honor the man, because it was such a heinous crime that was committed under his watch. You have to understand the magnitude of what went on with everyone letting it happen. And that's the frustrating part about the Penn Staters, us outsiders don't think you grasp the severity and magnitude of the situation.

Understood. I don't feel I am honoring the man as much as attempting to convince people he's not the devil but I will be glad to back ioff of that is best.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Understood. I don't feel I am honoring the man as much as attempting to convince people he's not the devil but I will be glad to back ioff of that is best.

I guess my feeling is that this is not the best time to focus on rehabbing Paterno's reputation.

 

[culdeus]

Just wow at Jutz.

 

[Apple Jack]

Understood. I don't feel I am honoring the man as much as attempting to convince people he's not the devil but I will be glad to back ioff of that is best.

I guess my feeling is that this is not the best time to focus on rehabbing Paterno's reputation.

Some people view him as a father-figure. Creepy, but true.

 

[Billy Bats]

The only point I am attempting to make is, let's not completely dismiss all the good he did. Lets not forget the report did make it to the president And let's not forget hindsight is 20/20.

Well it was said above, with the trial happening and it being fresh in the minds of everyone, now doesn't seem to be an appropriate time to honor the man, because it was such a heinous crime that was committed under his watch. You have to understand the magnitude of what went on with everyone letting it happen. And that's the frustrating part about the Penn Staters, us outsiders don't think you grasp the severity and magnitude of the situation.

Understood. I don't feel I am honoring the man as much as attempting to convince people he's not the devil but I will be glad to back ioff of that is best.

"Honoring" probably wasnt the right word, but you get my point. I appreciate your view about Paterno, and you being a PS alumn I get it. It's just right now you're fighting a losing battle in the court of public opinion. Yes the man did great things in his career, but the last memory of him is this scandal. And right or wrong, it trumps all that was good about the man at this point in time.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

So is a conviction a foregone conclusion at this point? Or is the potential influence of PSU on the jury pool still a possible out for this pathetic excuse of a man?

A buddy of mine who did practice as a criminal defense lawyer for six years (including a few fairly high-profile guys) says Sandusky is "toast."

I do think this is the most likely outcome, but Pennsylvania law has a couple of quirks that work in Sandusky's favor:http://deadspin.com/5918753/jerry-sandusky-still-has-a-legal-advantage-over-his-accusers-because-pennsylvania-law-is-still-stupidFrom the post above:

1. Trial judges are required to instruct jurors to factor in how long it took for victims to report their allegations of sex abuse to authorities, even though that time difference is known to have no relevance to the truth of their claims. 2. Expert testimony in sex assault cases is not permitted.

Yeah, this is not ideal. But I think it can be easily explained (and probably covered during the prosecution's case) that victims like this are often hesitant to report things like this, for obvious reasons. Amendola's been picking around at a lot of circumstantial stuff with his defense, but he hasn't done much to dispute that the illegal acts themselves occurred.Nothing is ever 100% with a jury, but I think this is getting about as close as you can.

 

[Billy Bats]

With so many jurors having ties to Penn St, does it help, hurt, or do nothing for their verdict?

 

[Joe Summer]

So is it really possible for someone who did not witness a possible crime to report it to the police? Hey, so and so told me he saw a crime so I'm reporting it to you to investigate. Does it really work that way? Serious question.

Yes, it is possible. There are no rules of evidence applicable if you're just reporting a crime.

"Hearsay" is not only permitted when reporting a crime, it's often encouraged. Call the police and let them decide if it's worth investigating or not.

 

[B-Deep]

125 pages in and still the same things are being debated

i think the over/under for everyne agreeing on paterno is an optimistic 78*109999999999999999999999999999999

and i am betting the over

 

[Todd Andrews]

Paterno did a whole lot of really good things in his lifetime and one really bad thing. Mcquery admitted that he severely toned down what he told Paterno due to his advanced age. Paterno should have done more, but in the end he did follow 'the book' so to speak.

What book? The one that says "Call the cops when someone reports child abuse to you?" that most people follow? Or the one that says "Pass it off to someone who will bury it?"

No, the one that says report the incident to the administration so they can pursue a full investigation. You are making the assumption Paterno knew Curly would cover it up with no evidence to back that assumption. He should have done more. He admits he should have done more. But your statements makes it sound like he did nothing, or even actively participated in the cover up which is simply not true. I think this quote sums up what I am trying to express best:

I believe, and here I'm speaking for myself and not my students, that, on the basis of the information now in the public sphere, Paterno was treated unfairly by the Penn Board. His extraordinary contributions to the school -- both on the field and off -- should have been weighed in the balance and he should have been permitted to retire with dignity. His legacy should be that of a giant, who may have made one serious mistake of judgment, which seems clearer in retrospect than it probably was at the time it was made. There are no perfect heroes in real life, just flawed human beings who should be judged on the totality of their merits and demerits. When so judged, Joe Pa is still a flawed hero in my eyes. Many of my friends and students disagree, believing that his mistake was so serious that it trumps his victories on the Grid Iron. It's an interesting debate. What do you think?

Obviously you disagree, but my view of the situation is not as outrageous as you are attempting to make it sound. LINK

There are some things that tarnish 5 decades of helping people. Turning a blind eye to child rape is one of them.

Had he turned a blind eye to it I would agree.

Then we're in agreement. He did that for a decade at least and let Sandusky roam the halls with little boys in tow and never said a word.

Reporting the incident to the athletic director, which eventually made it's way to the University president is not the same as turning a blind eye to it, so no, we are not in agreement. Paterno died knowing he should have done more but he should not have to also pay for the sins of the administration.

You are told of an incident where a co-worker in your workplace is "fondling" a little boy in the shower and "something of a sexual nature" occurs....Do you tell your boss or the cops?

 

[mozzy84]

I always appreciate somebody cussing at timschochet, but he was pretty much pointing out what everybody else is thinking. Your avatar is going to be viewed in a certain way by most posters, whether you intend it that way or not.

I fully realize this and am willing to accept that, however I disagree that it is in poor taste. Had it been an avatar of Sandusky I would agree... yet you would think it was, based on some people's reactions.

There might come a day when a Paterno avatar could be viewed in a different light. But Sandusky's trial is going on right now. That's the foremost thing in people's minds when they think of Paterno. I guess I'm not sure what message you're trying to send by keeping the avatar.

The message is: I believe there will come a day when a Paterno avatar will be viewed in a different light, and I a willing to weather that storm and defend his reputation until we reach that point, which I ralize may be in the distant future... and for some will never come.

seriously stop, weather the storm??

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The only point I am attempting to make is, let's not completely dismiss all the good he did. Lets not forget the report did make it to the president And let's not forget hindsight is 20/20.

Well it was said above, with the trial happening and it being fresh in the minds of everyone, now doesn't seem to be an appropriate time to honor the man, because it was such a heinous crime that was committed under his watch. You have to understand the magnitude of what went on with everyone letting it happen. And that's the frustrating part about the Penn Staters, us outsiders don't think you grasp the severity and magnitude of the situation.

Understood. I don't feel I am honoring the man as much as attempting to convince people he's not the devil but I will be glad to back ioff of that is best.

You should be in the pitbull thread pimping your pitbull avatar.

 

[cheese]

With so many jurors having ties to Penn St, does it help, hurt, or do nothing for their verdict?

It can't hurt and it introduces an extra variable to what would be a slam-dunk trial. I have no idea what people in State College are thinking right now, but he'd be fried in any average town in America for sure.

 

[CrossEyed]

With so many jurors having ties to Penn St, does it help, hurt, or do nothing for their verdict?

It can't hurt and it introduces an extra variable to what would be a slam-dunk trial. I have no idea what people in State College are thinking right now, but he'd be fried in any average town in America for sure.

Could actually work against him if they view him as being responsible for damaging the reputation of their bread and butter.

 

[Joe Summer]

Paterno did a whole lot of really good things in his lifetime and one really bad thing. Mcquery admitted that he severely toned down what he told Paterno due to his advanced age. Paterno should have done more, but in the end he did follow 'the book' so to speak. When asked about the situation by the media he didn't make excuses or deflect. He admitted he should have done more. He faced the accusations and didn't hide from the media. I dont agree with what he diidn't do, but I respect how he handled himself.

As a previous poster said, I don't think Paterno is the devil, and I think it's easy, in hindsight to sit back and say you would have done the right thing... but none of us really know. I choose to appreciate the man for all the good things he did for every player that passed through his program, all the $ he raised for charity, and for demanding his players put education first. This scandal greatly tarnishes Paternos legacy, but let's not forget all the good he has done in his lifetime.

I'm not saying that *I* would have done the right thing. All I'm saying is that if I ever do what Paterno did, then I would deserve the same tarnished legacy that Paterno has earned."Sure, kids were raped on my watch. But at least my players graduated!"

 

[CrossEyed]

State trooper hurting the prosecutions case here today? Apparently lied about discussing testimony with another trooper and about relaying interview information from one victim to another.

 

[Joe Summer]

State trooper hurting the prosecutions case here today? Apparently lied about discussing testimony with another trooper and about relaying interview information from one victim to another.

Sounds like the defense attorney is trying to twist the trooper's words. The trooper admits that he said things to Victim 4 to encourage the kid to talk, but he's adamant that he never gave specific details about the other accusers and (more importantly) he never coached Victim 4 on what to say.

 

[B-Deep]

Just heard the missing part of the costas interview...

holy crap

 

[NCCommish]

Just heard the missing part of the costas interview...holy crap

Yeah that's not so good.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

 

[cubd8]

Paterno didn't just look the other way while boys were held up against a shower wall and raped. He enabled. Paterno gave Sandusky access to the program that was the bait for these young boys to spend time with him, while it's obvious he knew the guy was a pervert who liked doing something of a sexual nature with kids. That's not a hero in any sense of the word, and I don't care how good of a football coach he was. That's disgusting.

Sandusky started his 2nd Mile rape center in 1977, was showering with kids with other Penn St. coaches as early as 1983, yet no allegations arose about Sandusky until 1997/1998 and then in 2001 followed by the trial now.10 kids raped? I'll go with closer to 150.Paterno knew nothing? No chance in hell, which is exactly where Paterno is right now.

 

[NCCommish]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

I didn't bang all of them seems like a weak defense.

 

[Chaka]

"Well — you might think that,'' Sandusky said. "I don't know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.''

Wow

 

[B-Deep]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

I didn't bang all of them seems like a weak defense.

i was seriously taken aback..did he just say that?

did he almost say there i many i didn't have sex with? Cause it SOUNDED like he almost said that

and yea the "I helped thousands and only raped dozens": defense doesn't play well

how did his attorney get NBC to not air that?

 

[NCCommish]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

I didn't bang all of them seems like a weak defense.

i was seriously taken aback..did he just say that?

did he almost say there i many i didn't have sex with? Cause it SOUNDED like he almost said that

and yea the "I helped thousands and only raped dozens": defense doesn't play well

how did his attorney get NBC to not air that?

Don't know but dude is worth whatever he is getting paid.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

"Ruh roh."

-Amendola

 

[Angry Beavers]

"Well — you might think that,'' Sandusky said. "I don't know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.''

I didn't bang all of them seems like a weak defense.

i was seriously taken aback..did he just say that?

did he almost say there i many i didn't have sex with? Cause it SOUNDED like he almost said that

and yea the "I helped thousands and only raped dozens": defense doesn't play well

how did his attorney get NBC to not air that?

Don't know but dude is worth whatever he is getting paid.

His attorney was not very smart for letting him talk to Costas to begin with. Borderline malpractice IMHO.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

Holy ####. Hope he enjoys General Population.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

I'm pretty sure that part of the Costas interview was leaked right after the interview happened. I'm surprised it seems to have escaped attention.

 

[Mario Kart]

This attorney reminds me of the movie Sleepers. The guy is hired to lose the case on purpose.

 

[NCCommish]

"Well — you might think that,'' Sandusky said. "I don't know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.''

I didn't bang all of them seems like a weak defense.

i was seriously taken aback..did he just say that?

did he almost say there i many i didn't have sex with? Cause it SOUNDED like he almost said that

and yea the "I helped thousands and only raped dozens": defense doesn't play well

how did his attorney get NBC to not air that?

Don't know but dude is worth whatever he is getting paid.

His attorney was not very smart for letting him talk to Costas to begin with. Borderline malpractice IMHO.

I could be wrong but I think the attorney was against it IIRC. You can't really stop them you can only tell them it's stupid and then try to clean up the mess.

 

[PitbullTD]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

Holy ####. Hope he enjoys General Population.

Sick ####er won't see a day of GP. But they will get him.

 

[CrossEyed]

So is there audio or video of that part of the interview? Would be interesting to hear exactly how he said it (inflection, pauses, etc.)

 

[NCCommish]

So is there audio or video of that part of the interview? Would be interesting to hear exactly how he said it (inflection, pauses, etc.)

They played it last night on NBC news. So I imagine it's on youtube somewhere or maybe one of NBC's sites.

 

[Chaka]

My capacity to continually ask WTF is wrong with people must be limitless because I still ask it even though I know the answer is Everything.

 

[Billy Bats]

So is there audio or video of that part of the interview? Would be interesting to hear exactly how he said it (inflection, pauses, etc.)

They played it last night on NBC news. So I imagine it's on youtube somewhere or maybe one of NBC's sites.

Here it is, starts at 1:30

 

[B-Deep]

So is there audio or video of that part of the interview? Would be interesting to hear exactly how he said it (inflection, pauses, etc.)

They played it last night on NBC news. So I imagine it's on youtube somewhere or maybe one of NBC's sites.

Here it is, starts at 1:30

it really plays just like the transcript

 

[CrossEyed]

Apparently Mrs Creepy is on the stand now.

 

[yellowdog]

“Well — you might think that,’’ Sandusky said. “I don’t know. In terms of — my relationship with so many, many young people. I would — I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and — and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn’t go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I’ve helped. There are many that I didn’t have — I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.’’

I didn't bang all of them seems like a weak defense.

i was seriously taken aback..did he just say that?

did he almost say there i many i didn't have sex with? Cause it SOUNDED like he almost said that

and yea the "I helped thousands and only raped dozens": defense doesn't play well

how did his attorney get NBC to not air that?

Sure sounded like he almost said that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

So why wasn't that aired originally? I think I missed that part.

 

[B-Deep]

So why wasn't that aired originally? I think I missed that part.

all i can guess is the lawyer worked out in advance that he would have one veto and used it

 

[NCCommish]

So why wasn't that aired originally? I think I missed that part.

Allegedly time constraints.

“There were a lot of compelling comments in the original interview, but we did not have time to include them all,” an executive at NBC news, who asked that her identity be withheld, told FoxNews.com.

 

[cubd8]

So why wasn't that aired originally? I think I missed that part.

Allegedly time constraints.

“There were a lot of compelling comments in the original interview, but we did not have time to include them all,” an executive at NBC news, who asked that her identity be withheld, told FoxNews.com.

Strange thing to omit, the guy is basically confessing to these crimes.Is the President of NBC a member of the Penn St. athletic department?

 

[cubd8]

Apparently Mrs Creepy is on the stand now.

If she doesn't like the questions she is asked, she could just say she can't hear (sort of like kids screaming from her basement).

 

[mad sweeney]

So why wasn't that aired originally? I think I missed that part.

Allegedly time constraints.

“There were a lot of compelling comments in the original interview, but we did not have time to include them all,” an executive at NBC news, who asked that her identity be withheld, told FoxNews.com.

Strange thing to omit, the guy is basically confessing to these crimes.Is the President of NBC a member of the Penn St. athletic department?

I really don't think it sounds like he was about to say what the first impression makes it seem like.

 

[Chaka]

So why wasn't that aired originally? I think I missed that part.

Allegedly time constraints.

"There were a lot of compelling comments in the original interview, but we did not have time to include them all," an executive at NBC news, who asked that her identity be withheld, told FoxNews.com.

Strange thing to omit, the guy is basically confessing to these crimes.Is the President of NBC a member of the Penn St. athletic department?

I really don't think it sounds like he was about to say what the first impression makes it seem like.

Not sure what he was going to say but what I heard doesn't sound like anything good.

 

[timschochet]

LOL at all the comments about how Sandusky's attorney messed this up or that up or gave him bad advice about the interview, or is doing a poor job now, etc.

You could be the greatest attorney the world has ever seen, and there's no way you get this guy off.

 

[Chaka]

LOL at all the comments about how Sandusky's attorney messed this up or that up or gave him bad advice about the interview, or is doing a poor job now, etc. You could be the greatest attorney the world has ever seen, and there's no way you get this guy off.

Of course not attorneys are too old.

 

[Apple Jack]

LOL at all the comments about how Sandusky's attorney messed this up or that up or gave him bad advice about the interview, or is doing a poor job now, etc. You could be the greatest attorney the world has ever seen, and there's no way you get this guy off.

Of course not attorneys are too old.

BAM!

 

[identikit]

LOL at all the comments about how Sandusky's attorney messed this up or that up or gave him bad advice about the interview, or is doing a poor job now, etc. You could be the greatest attorney the world has ever seen, and there's no way you get this guy off.

Of course not attorneys are too old.

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