Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[IvanKaramazov]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Yeah, if these emails are accurate, the Paterno name and image needs to be removed from the Penn State campus permanently.

 

[fatness]

Everybody in the chain, McQueary, Joe, and the 3 admin guys, should have gone to the cops. McQueary immediately, but also after he found nothing happened to Sandusky. Joe should have taken McQueary to the cops, but if the emails are true, that thought probably never crossed his mind as he actually convinced the 3 admin not to. The 3 admin should have gone with their first instinct and reported this properly, rather than putting the school at risk.

Yet somehow there are people who try to exclude Paterno from this whole chain of people who should have done something.I can't wait to hear the spin on this one:"Maybe Joe had valid reasons for not wanting this reported. But we can't possibly know those reasons because he's dead now.""Maybe Curley didn't tell Joe the whole story.""What happened at Penn State happens at all major football programs. They just were unlucky enough to be caught"

 

[Sea Duck]

Where did any of them admit to 1998 knowledge? I didnt see that part?

Curley's email to Spanier & Schultz said: "I would be more comfortable meeting with [sandusky] and tell him about the information we received and tell him we are aware of the first situation."'the first situation' is believed to be a reference to the 1998 incident.

 

[Premier]

Bobby Bowden - most major college football wins of all-time without hiding a child raping psycho on his staff.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Yeah, if these emails are accurate, the Paterno name and image needs to be removed from the Penn State campus permanently.

 

[Joe Summer]

I can't wait to hear the spin on this one:"Maybe Curley didn't tell Joe the whole story."

This argument won't fly because Joe was already told by McQueary that "inappropriate sexual fondling" took place. There was nothing left for Curley to tell Paterno except "we're planning to report this to the authorities".But after talking to Paterno, Curley changed his mind.

 

[CrossEyed]

Lock them all up and throw away the keys.

 

[mad sweeney]

Lock them all up and throw away the keys.

In Gen Pop.

 

[greenroom]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Or we just understand he made a huge mistake (if the coversation happened since we dont know what he said or did) trying to protect a friend, but he also help so many other kids that you are just going to focus on one mistake?? Like so many others in the Happy Valley area!!Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

 

[yellowdog]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Or we just understand he made a huge mistake (if the coversation happened since we dont know what he said or did) trying to protect a friend, but he also help so many other kids that you are just going to focus on one mistake?? Like so many others in the Happy Valley area!!Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

 

[CrossEyed]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Or we just understand he made a huge mistake (if the coversation happened since we dont know what he said or did) trying to protect a friend, but he also help so many other kids that you are just going to focus on one mistake?? Like so many others in the Happy Valley area!!Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

I don't care what good things he did, what he allowed to happen to those boys wipes it all out.

 

[Mile High]

Lock them all up and throw away the keys.

Today's revelations are so damning it's crazy. University President is on record as acknowledging that they are covering up the abuse and making a decision that could leave them "vulnerable". Meanwhile, emails document Joe Pa having a direct hand in burying the abuse. Subsequent abuse took place (shocker). I say let it rain. Death penalty to the program. Hundreds of millions is damages to victims. No mercy.

If this new news is true I agree.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Or we just understand he made a huge mistake (if the coversation happened since we dont know what he said or did) trying to protect a friend, but he also help so many other kids that you are just going to focus on one mistake?? Like so many others in the Happy Valley area!!Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Wow

 

[Billy Bats]

There's always one.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Take down the statue... anyone who can still defend Paterno at this point needs to really take a long look in the mirror.

Or we just understand he made a huge mistake (if the coversation happened since we dont know what he said or did) trying to protect a friend, but he also help so many other kids that you are just going to focus on one mistake?? Like so many others in the Happy Valley area!!Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Wow

Yeah, he did keep quiet so the donations can come in for another 10 years before the cat got out of the bag. That was a great thing for the University.Jesus Christ. I loved Paterno too for a while but protecting a chronic child molester? Come on. I'd turn my back on a family member for that.

 

[fatness]

I can't wait to hear the spin on this one:"Maybe Curley didn't tell Joe the whole story."

This argument won't fly because Joe was already told by McQueary that "inappropriate sexual fondling" took place. There was nothing left for Curley to tell Paterno except "we're planning to report this to the authorities".

Yes, I know. But I still expect to see that argument.

 

[fatness]

Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Not saying Jerry Sandusky's hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget. By your logic.

 

[greenroom]

Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Not saying Jerry Sandusky's hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget. By your logic.

You cannot be that stupid. Unless your saying that JoPA is the one who committed this crime? We are talking about the monster who commited the crime and a close friend who "may" of talked someone to handle it in house. Look I agree it is wrong, but for those that are putting this on a DEAD MAN who cannot explain his actions is wrong. Unless you are also going to go after the police and DA (I know he is also deceased) and the entire community who let Sandusky get away with the same crime in 1998. But go ahead and blame a DEAD MAN that has done a lot of good in this world and made one huge mistake. As a victim of child abuse it takes a lot of people to cover up these actions, and for this board to just single out JoPa is wrong. Did he play a part, yes, but he was not the monster that everyone is trying to make him out to be. That monster is Sandusky only.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Not saying Jerry Sandusky's hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget. By your logic.

You cannot be that stupid. Unless your saying that JoPA is the one who committed this crime? We are talking about the monster who commited the crime and a close friend who "may" of talked someone to handle it in house. Look I agree it is wrong, but for those that are putting this on a DEAD MAN who cannot explain his actions is wrong. Unless you are also going to go after the police and DA (I know he is also deceased) and the entire community who let Sandusky get away with the same crime in 1998. But go ahead and blame a DEAD MAN that has done a lot of good in this world and made one huge mistake. As a victim of child abuse it takes a lot of people to cover up these actions, and for this board to just single out JoPa is wrong. Did he play a part, yes, but he was not the monster that everyone is trying to make him out to be. That monster is Sandusky only.

One huge mistake. I'd say Paterno and the other cronies that were covering this up are equally guilty for every little boy that got raped and molested after that point in time.He was more interested in protecting his own name and his football program than helping young people getting raped. To me, that erases any piece of good the guy ever did for anyone else. I lose more and more respect for Penn State every day they keep a statue of that jerk on campus. It is what it is. Sorry your hero did this.

 

[Dragons]

Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Not saying Jerry Sandusky's hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget. By your logic.

You cannot be that stupid. Unless your saying that JoPA is the one who committed this crime? We are talking about the monster who commited the crime and a close friend who "may" of talked someone to handle it in house. Look I agree it is wrong, but for those that are putting this on a DEAD MAN who cannot explain his actions is wrong. Unless you are also going to go after the police and DA (I know he is also deceased) and the entire community who let Sandusky get away with the same crime in 1998. But go ahead and blame a DEAD MAN that has done a lot of good in this world and made one huge mistake. As a victim of child abuse it takes a lot of people to cover up these actions, and for this board to just single out JoPa is wrong. Did he play a part, yes, but he was not the monster that everyone is trying to make him out to be. That monster is Sandusky only.

Comparing Paterno to Sandusky is stupid. But, comparing Paterno to the police and DA is ridiculously stupid considering the fact that Paterno held onto information that would have allowed them to do their ####### jobs.ETA - It's not our fault he's dead. He had a chance to come clean for at least 10 years before he died.

 

[fatness]

But go ahead and blame a DEAD MAN that has done a lot of good in this world and made one huge mistake.

The dead man made a deliberate decison, not a mistake, when he as alive that allowed 10 more years of child abuse and rape to go on.

 

[Dragons]

Not saying JoPa hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget.

Not saying Jerry Sandusky's hands are cleaned, but he did a lot of good for that University area and that you cannot just forget. By your logic.

You cannot be that stupid. Unless your saying that JoPA is the one who committed this crime? We are talking about the monster who commited the crime and a close friend who "may" of talked someone to handle it in house. Look I agree it is wrong, but for those that are putting this on a DEAD MAN who cannot explain his actions is wrong. Unless you are also going to go after the police and DA (I know he is also deceased) and the entire community who let Sandusky get away with the same crime in 1998. But go ahead and blame a DEAD MAN that has done a lot of good in this world and made one huge mistake. As a victim of child abuse it takes a lot of people to cover up these actions, and for this board to just single out JoPa is wrong. Did he play a part, yes, but he was not the monster that everyone is trying to make him out to be. That monster is Sandusky only.

Comparing Paterno to Sandusky is stupid. But, comparing Paterno to the police and DA is ridiculously stupid considering the fact that Paterno held onto information that would have allowed them to do their ####### jobs.ETA - It's not our fault he's dead. He had a chance to come clean for at least 10 years before he died.

I'm not sure if you just said that you were a victim of child abuse, but if you did, I am sorry for what you've experienced. As you said it takes a lot of people to cover up these actions and the others are equally guilty. They aren't getting as much discussion because no one is defending them! And while it takes a lot to cover up, it only takes one with the courage to bring everything to light and put and end to it. If you are a victim of child abuse, you should be able to see that. Curley, Shultz, Spanier, even your JoPa could have been that one. He failed and allowed more kids to be abused.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'm not here to defend Paterno, nor do I care about his legacy. But just to play devil's advocate, it's very suspicious that these emails were leaked now. It appears none of the emails were sent by Paterno or to him. Did he really go out of his way to protect Sandusky and advocate to Curley and Shultz not to take any action? We really don't know. The emails show Spanier, Curley, and Shultz all rationalizing why they shouldn't take action and Paterno gets dragged further into the mud with them since he's referenced but he's dead now and can't defend himself. It doesn't help Paterno at all, but it also shows the failure of leadership to act. Curely, Shultz and Spanier all look really bad here and Paterno is not far behind. But the former 3 seem far more culpable based on these emails. At least one of them is probably going to serve some time too at some point.

 

[Maude]

Can someone remind me how all of this came out recently? Because what McQueary witnessed was back in 2001 right? Did someone finally tell?

 

[Dragons]

Can someone remind me how all of this came out recently? Because what McQueary witnessed was back in 2001 right? Did someone finally tell?

Go up to Bananafish's post and read the CNN story. Emails from 2001 between Curley, Spanier and Shultz were leaked.

 

[pantherclub]

Any Penn St supporters still think that the NCAA isnt going to come calling after the smoke clears?

Penn st football will never recover from this.

 

[fatness]

Can someone remind me how all of this came out recently? Because what McQueary witnessed was back in 2001 right? Did someone finally tell?

Louis Freeh is doing an investigation of Penn State, for Penn State. Those emails were recovered (and leaked to CNN).Freeh's report is supposed to be released in late July, to both the Penn State trustees and to the public.

link

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm not here to defend Paterno, nor do I care about his legacy. But just to play devil's advocate, it's very suspicious that these emails were leaked now. It appears none of the emails were sent by Paterno or to him. Did he really go out of his way to protect Sandusky and advocate to Curley and Shultz not to take any action? We really don't know. The emails show Spanier, Curley, and Shultz all rationalizing why they shouldn't take action and Paterno gets dragged further into the mud with them since he's referenced but he's dead now and can't defend himself. It doesn't help Paterno at all, but it also shows the failure of leadership to act. Curely, Shultz and Spanier all look really bad here and Paterno is not far behind. But the former 3 seem far more culpable based on these emails. At least one of them is probably going to serve some time too at some point.

Have you actually read the CNN article? According to this story, these emails insinuate that Paterno started the cover up. Scultz and Curley were ready to notify Second Mile and the Department of Welfare. When Curley met with Paterno, he then changed his mind.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I'm not here to defend Paterno, nor do I care about his legacy. But just to play devil's advocate, it's very suspicious that these emails were leaked now. It appears none of the emails were sent by Paterno or to him. Did he really go out of his way to protect Sandusky and advocate to Curley and Shultz not to take any action? We really don't know. The emails show Spanier, Curley, and Shultz all rationalizing why they shouldn't take action and Paterno gets dragged further into the mud with them since he's referenced but he's dead now and can't defend himself. It doesn't help Paterno at all, but it also shows the failure of leadership to act. Curely, Shultz and Spanier all look really bad here and Paterno is not far behind. But the former 3 seem far more culpable based on these emails. At least one of them is probably going to serve some time too at some point.

Have you actually read the CNN article? According to this story, these emails insinuate that Paterno started the cover up. Scultz and Curley were ready to notify Second Mile and the Department of Welfare. When Curley met with Paterno, he then changed his mind.

It was mentioned all winter here that Paterno had more power at PSU than anyone else including the University President. It's not far fetched to believe that CNN story even if they didn't have the emails. I have no idea how anyone can defend Paterno at this point.

 

[Furious Styles]

It really is unreal that people still defend Paterno. Anyone involved in enabling this monster has blood on their hands so shame to them all. However, while nobody will come close to being the monster that Sandusky was Paterno is a distant second. It was his program, his influence due to the money that program made and his decision (based on this CNN report) to sweep this under the rug. Money and reputation trumped innocent kids being raped. That is sick and undefensible. Wake the #### up already.

 

[fruity pebbles]

In my mind paterno et all are as bad as sandusky. Hell they might be worse. Sandusky is a sick twisted individual. So sick more than likely hes unable to control himself or doesn't even realize the wrongs hes committed. Paterno and the others knew what was happening and chose to cover it up and let it continue for financial gain.

 

[Sea Duck]

Or we just understand he made a huge mistake (if the coversation happened since we dont know what he said or did)

It wasn't just "one" huge mistake; it was a sustained and deliberate coverup over the course of several years. The Curley/Paterno meeting on 2/26/01 proves that.

 

[crewmember]

The only people singling Paterno out are the ones defending him. The rest of us think everyone who knew and covered this up are equally guilty. Also, the fact that he's dead doesn't matter at all.

This doesn't seem true at all. Since the story broke Paterno has been talked about as much as Sandusky himself. He's the only famous person involved in the story, thus has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

 

[ICON211]

The only people singling Paterno out are the ones defending him. The rest of us think everyone who knew and covered this up are equally guilty. Also, the fact that he's dead doesn't matter at all.

This doesn't seem true at all. Since the story broke Paterno has been talked about as much as Sandusky himself. He's the only famous person involved in the story, thus has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

I would say one person involved did worse.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'm not here to defend Paterno, nor do I care about his legacy. But just to play devil's advocate, it's very suspicious that these emails were leaked now. It appears none of the emails were sent by Paterno or to him. Did he really go out of his way to protect Sandusky and advocate to Curley and Shultz not to take any action? We really don't know. The emails show Spanier, Curley, and Shultz all rationalizing why they shouldn't take action and Paterno gets dragged further into the mud with them since he's referenced but he's dead now and can't defend himself. It doesn't help Paterno at all, but it also shows the failure of leadership to act. Curely, Shultz and Spanier all look really bad here and Paterno is not far behind. But the former 3 seem far more culpable based on these emails. At least one of them is probably going to serve some time too at some point.

Have you actually read the CNN article? According to this story, these emails insinuate that Paterno started the cover up. Scultz and Curley were ready to notify Second Mile and the Department of Welfare. When Curley met with Paterno, he then changed his mind.

Yeah that was my point. These particular emails were likely leaked intentionally since the heat will be turned up on all of them now that Sandusky has been dealt with. And it's what makes them all even more despicable. Now it's Curley's word vs. a dead guy. Maybe Paterno is the most guilty of them all, but unfortunately these leaked emails don't prove he influenced anyone to cover it up, only that Curley vaguely insinuates that he did. But for all we know, Curley could have talked Paterno out of it. Hopefully there will be more emails, including some from Paterno himself, that see the light of day. I am not defending Paterno, only pointing out that the guys that are still living will all be trying to cover their ### now that they are up for perjury charges. It's clear that none of them are man enough to admit the buck should have stopped with them and will probably try to throw each under under the bus before it's all said and done even though they all ####ed up.Edit to add that according to the Paterno family lawyer, he never personally utilized email. So I guess we'll never see any emails to or from him related to this matter.

 

[Dragons]

I'm not here to defend Paterno, nor do I care about his legacy. But just to play devil's advocate, it's very suspicious that these emails were leaked now. It appears none of the emails were sent by Paterno or to him. Did he really go out of his way to protect Sandusky and advocate to Curley and Shultz not to take any action? We really don't know. The emails show Spanier, Curley, and Shultz all rationalizing why they shouldn't take action and Paterno gets dragged further into the mud with them since he's referenced but he's dead now and can't defend himself. It doesn't help Paterno at all, but it also shows the failure of leadership to act. Curely, Shultz and Spanier all look really bad here and Paterno is not far behind. But the former 3 seem far more culpable based on these emails. At least one of them is probably going to serve some time too at some point.

Have you actually read the CNN article? According to this story, these emails insinuate that Paterno started the cover up. Scultz and Curley were ready to notify Second Mile and the Department of Welfare. When Curley met with Paterno, he then changed his mind.

Yeah that was my point. These particular emails were likely leaked intentionally since the heat will be turned up on all of them now that Sandusky has been dealt with. And it's what makes them all even more despicable. Now it's Curley's word vs. a dead guy. Maybe Paterno is the most guilty of them all, but unfortunately these leaked emails don't prove he influenced anyone to cover it up, only that Curley vaguely insinuates that he did. But for all we know, Curley could have talked Paterno out of it. Hopefully there will be more emails, including some from Paterno himself, that see the light of day. I am not defending Paterno, only pointing out that the guys that are still living will all be trying to cover their ### now that they are up for perjury charges. It's clear that none of them are man enough to admit the buck should have stopped with them and will probably try to throw each under under the bus before it's all said and done even though they all ####ed up.

Guys that are still living had the foresight to write emails in 2001 that unfairly implicate Paterno, knowing that he'd be dead by the time they came to light and thus would be undisputed? Do I have that right?Obviously anything they say NOW should be taken with a grain of salt and verified as much as possible. Certainly don't let them talk and get their stories straight, verify everything each of them says against easy other to try to discern truth. But, emails send 10 years ago, in the midst of the coverup - you think those were planted to set up Paterno?

 

[Jack Aubrey]

Paterno...has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

"many" people did not do much worse than Paterno. The new emails demolish this line of thought. At this point I think most people not wearing Penn State blinders see the hierarchy (from most culpable to least) as:1. Sandusky (obviously, though with the irony that in some ways he's the one whose actions are most excusable, given he's a sick, sick man)2. Paterno/Spanier (most powerful men involved, and the ones who everyone else kowtowed to. By signalling that the correct move was to keep the problem under wraps, they gave all the rest of these moral cowards permission to ignore their better instincts and allow Sandusky to roam free). 3. McQueary (No matter he "made sure it stopped", he failed miserably, day after day, for another decade and that baffles me. He's the one who saw a rape and decided his dream job was more important than causing a stir).4. Schultz and the other guy, whose name I can't even remember. Faceless, spineless beauraucrats of a type we're all familiar with.

 

[TLEF316]

At this point, nothing about the paterno worship surprises me. Really sad

 

[gcoast3]

Are you the same people who draft Mike Vick in your Fantasy Football Leagues?

Watch Mike Tyson on the Today Show and on Broadway?

 

[crewmember]

The only people singling Paterno out are the ones defending him. The rest of us think everyone who knew and covered this up are equally guilty. Also, the fact that he's dead doesn't matter at all.

This doesn't seem true at all. Since the story broke Paterno has been talked about as much as Sandusky himself. He's the only famous person involved in the story, thus has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

Nobody's defending the other guys responsible for sweeping this under the rug, because none of those guys were involved with the precious football team. Take away the people who seem to think that the fact that he allowed children to be raped under his nose shouldn't define his legacy and I doubt he gets a lot more attention than any of the other administrators. "Aside from that one little thing, John Wilkes Booth was a great guy"



Paterno's legacy is that of a man who cared more about the reputation of his football program than he did innocent children who were getting raped in the showers of his very building. This isn't a one time mistake, either. This is something he's hidden and subsequently enabled for a decade that we know of, it could be even longer. That shows a complete lack of integrity. Whatever Paterno preached to his football players, it was just a show. Character and integrity are what you do when nobody's watching. When nobody was watching, those in charge at PSU decided on something so abhorrent I don't even want to think about it. Including everybody's precious football coach. Despite the fact that he won football games. We thought Paterno was a man of character and honor for a long time. He had us fooled, and the fact that he had us fooled for a long time doesn't change the legacy he left, which is what he truly is - a man who will look after his own self interests and protect his friend instead of protect innocent children.



If someone comes in here trying to defend any of the other administrators, we can have the same conversation about them. But as long as we've got people in here defending Paterno, I'll be happy to point out the fact that they're defending a spineless coward who was a selfish liar for years and years.

I know no one is defending the others involved, just that they don't constly get flinged #### at like Paterno does. To me, Mcreery and his dad are two of the stupidest people to walk the face of the earth. I guess I just have diffrent expectations for a coach of a football team then others do, when the witness, police, and presidents of the university can't get the job done my anger doesn't go towards the guy who's game planning for Nebraska on Saturday. New evidnce is coming out now which is changing my opinion quite a bit, but Paterno was being crucified way before this came out. Of course people will now claim they knew this is what happened, but in reality they had no idea.

 

[Jack Aubrey]

Wouldn't you think the people who went to and love the university would be the most pissed off about this whole thing? I mean - if I read about some guy's wife who's been lying to him for ten years and cheating on him on here, I'm going to be a little pissed off, because that sucks. But if it's my wife who's been lying to me for ten years and cheating on me, I'm going to be an entire different level of upset about it.

The JoePa worship is just too ingrained...I live somewhere with a high concentration of Penn State homers and the hero worship is a way of life. From far away you see a cute story about a bunch of drunk college kids ironically worshiping an old lovable curmudgeon with thick glasses and all the rest. Up close there's nothing ironic about it. It's absolute sincere deification...and it's deeply weird.

 

[crewmember]

Paterno...has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

"many" people did not do much worse than Paterno. The new emails demolish this line of thought. At this point I think most people not wearing Penn State blinders see the hierarchy (from most culpable to least) as:1. Sandusky (obviously, though with the irony that in some ways he's the one whose actions are most excusable, given he's a sick, sick man)2. Paterno/Spanier (most powerful men involved, and the ones who everyone else kowtowed to. By signalling that the correct move was to keep the problem under wraps, they gave all the rest of these moral cowards permission to ignore their better instincts and allow Sandusky to roam free). 3. McQueary (No matter he "made sure it stopped", he failed miserably, day after day, for another decade and that baffles me. He's the one who saw a rape and decided his dream job was more important than causing a stir).4. Schultz and the other guy, whose name I can't even remember. Faceless, spineless beauraucrats of a type we're all familiar with.

I disagree after #1. Mcqueary(s) are #2, actually witnessed the disgusting crime, was not friends with Sandusky, and had a father who still couldn't teach his son the right thing to do.Then #3 I still go with the Presidents of the University, legally and ethically. The Legal reasons are obvious and the fact it's their job to handle these type of situations. A President's job description is make sure everything is legal and ethical, a football's coach job is to game plan for saturday(I don't care how good his reputation is or how much he brings to the University, the President has to make the right decision. Paterno was friends with Sandusky, which is not an excuse, but he may have been convinced by Sandusky himself that it would never happen again. Paterno told Sandusky he would never be headcoach of the football team, so I wouldn't say he was thrilled with the guy, and aware of any future incidents committed by Sandusky.Like I said before, new emails are changing by opinion quite a bit, but I saw people ostracized in here so anything to defend Paterno before these emails came out.

 

[crewmember]

Are you the same people who draft Mike Vick in your Fantasy Football Leagues?Watch Mike Tyson on the Today Show and on Broadway?

I drafted Vick. I'm a big fan. I'm a vegetarian though, so I guess I'm too nice.

 

[Jack Aubrey]

Paterno...has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

"many" people did not do much worse than Paterno. The new emails demolish this line of thought. At this point I think most people not wearing Penn State blinders see the hierarchy (from most culpable to least) as:1. Sandusky (obviously, though with the irony that in some ways he's the one whose actions are most excusable, given he's a sick, sick man)2. Paterno/Spanier (most powerful men involved, and the ones who everyone else kowtowed to. By signalling that the correct move was to keep the problem under wraps, they gave all the rest of these moral cowards permission to ignore their better instincts and allow Sandusky to roam free). 3. McQueary (No matter he "made sure it stopped", he failed miserably, day after day, for another decade and that baffles me. He's the one who saw a rape and decided his dream job was more important than causing a stir).

I disagree after #1. Mcqueary(s) are #2, actually witnessed the disgusting crime, was not friends with Sandusky, and had a father who still couldn't teach his son the right thing to do.Then #3 I still go with the Presidents of the University, legally and ethically. The Legal reasons are obvious and the fact it's their job to handle these type of situations. A President's job description is make sure everything is legal and ethical, a football's coach job is to game plan for saturday(I don't care how good his reputation is or how much he brings to the University, the President has to make the right decision. Paterno was friends with Sandusky, which is not an excuse, but he may have been convinced by Sandusky himself that it would never happen again.

McQueary is a scumbag, there we agree. In fact, ranking and parsing the level of scumbaggery of these guys is distasteful and I shouldn't have gone down that road at all. Being anywhere near the list means you've failed on a massive level.

 

[Koya]

Paterno will forever be linked with the boy rape years. And Rightfully so.

That, is his legacy.

 

[crewmember]

I know no one is defending the others involved, just that they don't constly get flinged #### at like Paterno does. To me, Mcreery and his dad are two of the stupidest people to walk the face of the earth. I guess I just have diffrent expectations for a coach of a football team then others do, when the witness, police, and presidents of the university can't get the job done my anger doesn't go towards the guy who's game planning for Nebraska on Saturday. New evidnce is coming out now which is changing my opinion quite a bit, but Paterno was being crucified way before this came out. Of course people will now claim they knew this is what happened, but in reality they had no idea.

If you allow children to be raped under your nose, you know it's happening and you don't alert the authorities, you will have to pardon me if I feel zero sympathy for you when people say you did a horrific thing and make an assessment of your character based on that horrible thing you continually did for years upon years. Why are you defending any of these monsters? Why do you care if people are saying bad things about them? Why does it upset you when people bring up the fact that JoePa is not what we thought he was? How can you not feel awful for the children and instead feel awful for the people who allowed them to be raped?

I don't know that Joe knew about kids being raped over years. The one incident he heard about it he went to his boss's. The emails might change the whole context of that, like I said we are still learning things. I do feel awful for the victims, and I can also feel bad for a guy getting torched by the county, who may have not done anything wrong. While having doing many great things in his life. Not sure why I can't feel bad for more then one person. The whole thing has been a sideshow from the beginning. The media was disgusting, covering 30 minutes on Paterno and then adding a line about how they were thinking of the victims. The story has been covered more about trying to tear down the famous guy then giving a flying #### about the victims. I'm just trying to call it like I see it. For full disclsoure I hate Penn State, and have spent the past few years making fun of Paterno on Saturdays, about how he's just kind of there(and doesn't really coach anymore)

 

[crewmember]

Paterno...has recieved all the venom even though many peoople involved did much worse.

"many" people did not do much worse than Paterno. The new emails demolish this line of thought. At this point I think most people not wearing Penn State blinders see the hierarchy (from most culpable to least) as:1. Sandusky (obviously, though with the irony that in some ways he's the one whose actions are most excusable, given he's a sick, sick man)2. Paterno/Spanier (most powerful men involved, and the ones who everyone else kowtowed to. By signalling that the correct move was to keep the problem under wraps, they gave all the rest of these moral cowards permission to ignore their better instincts and allow Sandusky to roam free). 3. McQueary (No matter he "made sure it stopped", he failed miserably, day after day, for another decade and that baffles me. He's the one who saw a rape and decided his dream job was more important than causing a stir).

I disagree after #1. Mcqueary(s) are #2, actually witnessed the disgusting crime, was not friends with Sandusky, and had a father who still couldn't teach his son the right thing to do.Then #3 I still go with the Presidents of the University, legally and ethically. The Legal reasons are obvious and the fact it's their job to handle these type of situations. A President's job description is make sure everything is legal and ethical, a football's coach job is to game plan for saturday(I don't care how good his reputation is or how much he brings to the University, the President has to make the right decision. Paterno was friends with Sandusky, which is not an excuse, but he may have been convinced by Sandusky himself that it would never happen again.

McQueary is a scumbag, there we agree. In fact, ranking and parsing the level of scumbaggery of these guys is distasteful and I shouldn't have gone down that road at all. Being anywhere near the list means you've failed on a massive level.

I agree, but just going with the facts before a couple days ago. Just trying to put myself in the guy's shoes. Some kid see's a crime, told me he saw something, I tell my boss's and tell the kid to talk to them. I would expect the witness or my boss's to report it to the police if it was worthy of doing so. I just hope I'm not held to such standards in my life, where I have to be the policeman of the world. If I'm Mcreery or the President I am definately going to the police. If I am the coach, I'm trying to beat Michigian on Saturday, I would expect the people around me to not be so stupid.

 

[CrossEyed]

PSU football should get the death penalty, but we all know that they won't.

 

[Sea Duck]

Then #3 I still go with the Presidents of the University, legally and ethically. The Legal reasons are obvious and the fact it's their job to handle these type of situations. A President's job description is make sure everything is legal and ethical

XPretty sure you just pulled that job description out of your ###.

a football's coach job is to game plan for saturday

A human being's job is to not cover up criminal acts.

 

[crewmember]

Then #3 I still go with the Presidents of the University, legally and ethically. The Legal reasons are obvious and the fact it's their job to handle these type of situations. A President's job description is make sure everything is legal and ethical

XPretty sure you just pulled that job description out of your ###.

a football's coach job is to game plan for saturday

A human being's job is to not cover up criminal acts.

I didn't say they always do the right thing, but yea as a President you're kind of supposed to keep your place rape free. That's why the law is the report to your superiors, because they are suppose to have enough common sense to do the right thing.