Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

[The Noid]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

They don't need any fairness, but really I don't think 11 years ago that many people really understood email traceability and archiving. They did show sneakiness (read: guilt) by not using his name.

 

[SacramentoBob]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

They don't need any fairness, but really I don't think 11 years ago that many people really understood email traceability and archiving. They did show sneakiness (read: guilt) by not using his name.

Should've had Stringer Bell advising them.http://goo.gl/xno1B

 

[Godsbrother]

Always thought JoePa was a doosh and when the Sandusky story broke I figured Paterno played a major role in the coverup. These latest reports come as no surprise to me.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

They don't need any fairness, but really I don't think 11 years ago that many people really understood email traceability and archiving. They did show sneakiness (read: guilt) by not using his name.

Dear President Spaneir --I had a brief meeting yesterday with Mr. X. (Note: Mr. X is totally not Joe Paterno but is instead a completely different person who I do not wish to name). Mr. X understands our concerns about Jerry Sandusky, but says that we are not go to the authorities because Mr. X doesn't want to have to hire a new defensive coordinator.

Cordially,

Tim

 

[ConstruxBoy]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

They don't need any fairness, but really I don't think 11 years ago that many people really understood email traceability and archiving. They did show sneakiness (read: guilt) by not using his name.

Dear President Spaneir --I had a brief meeting yesterday with Mr. X. (Note: Mr. X is totally not Joe Paterno but is instead a completely different person who I do not wish to name). Mr. X understands our concerns about Jerry Sandusky, but says that we are not go to the authorities because Mr. X doesn't want to have to hire a new defensive coordinator.

Cordially,

Tim

That would have been much better. I was actually hoping the emails would show that they called him "the old man" or something like that.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

 

[The Noid]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

Let's say he didn't die. What, hypothetically, would be the most plausabile explaination he could give in response to what these e-mails imply? Even if he says (as the e-mails spell out a factual time-line, but only an implication of cause and effect), "I didn't suggest they not go to the authorities or deal with this leniently. That was a decision they made without my knowledge or input" it still means he knew they should have gone, didn't go, and he did nothing about it. He was getting piled on when it all broke, and he was alive. I don't think him being dead is making this worse. He would have been buried 10x as much now, as he was then, as most of the benefit of the doubt he was getting is eroding.

 

[crewmember]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

They don't need any fairness, but really I don't think 11 years ago that many people really understood email traceability and archiving. They did show sneakiness (read: guilt) by not using his name.

Dear President Spaneir --I had a brief meeting yesterday with Mr. X. (Note: Mr. X is totally not Joe Paterno but is instead a completely different person who I do not wish to name). Mr. X understands our concerns about Jerry Sandusky, but says that we are not go to the authorities because Mr. X doesn't want to have to hire a new defensive coordinator.

Cordially,

Tim

Then he gets on the phone to help George Zimmerman hide some money.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

Let's say he didn't die. What, hypothetically, would be the most plausabile explaination he could give in response to what these e-mails imply? Even if he says (as the e-mails spell out a factual time-line, but only an implication of cause and effect), "I didn't suggest they not go to the authorities or deal with this leniently. That was a decision they made without my knowledge or input" it still means he knew they should have gone, didn't go, and he did nothing about it. He was getting piled on when it all broke, and he was alive. I don't think him being dead is making this worse. He would have been buried 10x as much now, as he was then, as most of the benefit of the doubt he was getting is eroding.

I agree that they imply that and it's very likely that it happened as the implications from the CNN story suggests. I haven't seen it pointed out yet, but remember that leading into the 2001 season Paterno was still chasing Bryant for the wins record. He would get it against OSU on Oct 27th of that season. To me that was his motive which is why the change from the 2002 offseason for McQueary's incident to off season 2001 makes a huge difference. Having said that, here is the exact wording of the "email" that CNN showed from Curley to Spanier:"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble going to everyone, but the person involved"Maybe it was just me, but that second sentence sounds odd, especially the seventh word. We see from other "emails" that the administrators decided to go to the Second Mile and Dept of Child Welfare on this. But after talking to Joe, Curley has a different idea. If that 7th word was "anybody", I think it's very clear. After talking to Joe, Curley doesn't think they should go to anybody but Sandusky. That's pretty a much a smoking gun type of email. But the word "everybody" there could mean that Curley via Joe didn't like going to Second Mile and DCW, but NOT going to Sandusky. In other words, let's talk to him as well. Not as straight forward as "don't talk to anyone but Sandusky". Again, I do think Paterno influenced this and the real emails and context will likely make that clear. I just don't know that this "email" by itself is the smoking gun, or it at least gives Paterno's family/lawyers some leeway in interpretation. And really, given this was a leak, it could be as simple as a CNN person transcribing it hearing "everybody" when the leak said "anybody". We should know in due time.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

On a side note, how can you rise to the level of senior administration at a major research university and still be stupid enough to talk about your plan to cover up serial child molestation via email? These people should all have the BAs and PhDs revoked.

That's what I was wondering. Let's document this whole fiasco on email as we muck it up.

But, they used tricky code words!

They don't need any fairness, but really I don't think 11 years ago that many people really understood email traceability and archiving. They did show sneakiness (read: guilt) by not using his name.

Dear President Spaneir --I had a brief meeting yesterday with Mr. X. (Note: Mr. X is totally not Joe Paterno but is instead a completely different person who I do not wish to name). Mr. X understands our concerns about Jerry Sandusky, but says that we are not go to the authorities because Mr. X doesn't want to have to hire a new defensive coordinator.

Cordially,

Tim

Then he gets on the phone to help George Zimmerman hide some money.

If you get Carolina Hustler over here so help me....

 

[Joe Summer]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

Let's say he didn't die. What, hypothetically, would be the most plausabile explaination he could give in response to what these e-mails imply?

He could claim that he urged Curley to notify the authorities, but that Curley had a change of heart for unknown reasons.

 

[fatness]

If Penn Staters want a statue on their campus of a man who won a lot of football games, graduated a lot of players, raised a lot of money and -- either through his action or his inaction -- helped a child rapist keep operating, that is their prerogative.

Those in favor of an NCAA attack on Penn State believe this only happened because of the football program. Did the men act to protect the football program? Yes, but only because they either worked for it or were closely aligned with it. This was about self-preservation. Had they gone to the authorities, this would have been a major scandal in 2001. Curley almost certainly would have been gone for signing off on any plan that allowed Sandusky access to the facilities. Paterno, coming off a 5-7 season in 2000 and hearing calls for his retirement, could have lost his job as well. They weren't protecting the program. They were protecting themselves.

SI.com

 

[MAC_32]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

Let's say he didn't die. What, hypothetically, would be the most plausabile explaination he could give in response to what these e-mails imply?

In a court of law? He could probably skirt around it. In the court of public opinion? Barring some new evidence suggesting otherwise, he's as guilty as the rest of them. It'd just be comforting to hear both sides rather than just one since we all know the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[tri-man 47]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

Let's say he didn't die. What, hypothetically, would be the most plausabile explaination he could give in response to what these e-mails imply? Even if he says (as the e-mails spell out a factual time-line, but only an implication of cause and effect), "I didn't suggest they not go to the authorities or deal with this leniently. That was a decision they made without my knowledge or input" it still means he knew they should have gone, didn't go, and he did nothing about it. He was getting piled on when it all broke, and he was alive. I don't think him being dead is making this worse. He would have been buried 10x as much now, as he was then, as most of the benefit of the doubt he was getting is eroding.

 

[GDogg]

I just hope I'm not held to such standards in my life

I still can't believe this comment. You hope that nobody would expect you to turn in a child rapist. You hope that if you have the power to stop the sexual torture of a child that nobody would expect you to raise a finger. That you should be able to go about your business and hope someone else deals with the hard problem. Ick.

Unreal, whenever you disagree on this site you get painted as the Devil. Of course I would report child rape, my point was there was already a witnesses and Presidents of the University that were aware of the incident that I did not witness. I don't watch the news at 6pm and then call the police on every crime they just reported.

Just stop

Please make him stop.

yea, such a conterversial statement You guys accuse me of condoning child rape and I'm the one that should stop.

You said you hope you were not held to "such high standards in your life," which was in reference to everyone saying once Paterno knew about Sandusky, he had a duty to go to the police, at the very least, and also the Department of Child Welfare and Second Mile.You think turning in a child molester, which another person on your staff has told you about, is some ridiculous high standard to which no person, particularly a football coach that has to gameplan for Michigan on Saturday, should be held.Not controversial. Just sad and sick.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Jutz wait.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm having a real hard time coming to terms with this, at least as far as Joe Pa is involved. There's a part of me that's saying it's too easy for the rest of the defendants to pile on the dead guy, but this new intel may be tough to argue against. At least I expected this to get uglier before it got better...

Let's say he didn't die. What, hypothetically, would be the most plausabile explaination he could give in response to what these e-mails imply? Even if he says (as the e-mails spell out a factual time-line, but only an implication of cause and effect), "I didn't suggest they not go to the authorities or deal with this leniently. That was a decision they made without my knowledge or input" it still means he knew they should have gone, didn't go, and he did nothing about it. He was getting piled on when it all broke, and he was alive. I don't think him being dead is making this worse. He would have been buried 10x as much now, as he was then, as most of the benefit of the doubt he was getting is eroding.

60 feet deep

 

[fatness]

Praise from a local paper for the judge's work in the case.

From the comments it appears that he's not done yet.

He remains busy. He has the sentencing process to complete. He is tracking justice-compromising leaks of confidential discovery material provided to the defense team. He probably has to consummate disciplinary action against Amendola for violating the pre-verdict gag order in ways that could accidentally or intentionally have caused a mistrial by referring to the trial as a soap opera and saying during deliberations he would have a heart attack if his client was fully not-guilty.

The appeals courts, including Pennsylvania's highest court, already made supporting rulings to Cleland's pre-trial orders, and hopefully further appeals will be similarly denied -- contrary to the swaggering talk of Karl Rominger who is telling national talk shows that his deft legal skills will soon have Sandusky sprung from jail and that his work in the case cleared Joe Paterno.

 

[fatness]

A call for a special prosecutor due to conflicts of interest in the ongoing investigations.

Certainly, there are ongoing investigations. The Pennsylvania attorney general’s office is pursuing criminal charges against two senior Penn State officials, a federal grand jury is investigating and former FBI director Louis Freeh is heading an investigation for the Penn State board of trustees that has resulted in additional evidence being turned over to prosecutors. The reason the current investigations cannot put to rest all the questions surrounding the Sandusky case is that they suffer from conflicts of interest or the appearance of conflicts of interest.

An investigation by the attorney general’s office of its own conduct, even under a prior attorney general, will never satisfy all of the public that nothing was covered up. The same holds true for that office’s investigation of any matters relating to Gricar. Some are sure to question whether state prosecutors fully and fairly investigated the actions of another state prosecutor. A similar concern will hamstring any investigation by federal prosecutors. Federal investigations of state officials are viewed as suspect, whether because of suspicions of political bias or general unease with federal authorities interfering in state affairs.

The Freeh internal investigation suffers greater shortcomings. Beyond the inevitable questions about whether such an investigation can be independent and complete, Freeh lacks two essential tools: subpoena power and the power to grant immunity to compel the testimony. Fortunately, there is a solution to this serious problem, one that has worked well over the past century whenever major scandals have arisen: A special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the Sandusky case.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gregg Doyel, CBS Sportsline

Joe Paterno's statue has to come down. That's clear today, now that CNN has released emails that bury Paterno and his Penn State cronies with their own dirty words.Paterno's statue outside Beaver Stadium has to come down, because otherwise Penn State would be celebrating a man who helped talk school officials into leaving Jerry Sandusky alone in 2001, letting an alleged pedophile escape detection for another decade, giving that alleged pedophile -- and it's not "alleged" anymore -- unfettered access to campus for another decade.After the statue comes down, then what? Well, then his statue would be disposed of, possibly melted down into prison bars -- maybe the bars that will hold Sandusky. Or maybe someone could just toss Paterno's statue into a landfill, throw it away as easily as Paterno and his underlings threw away the lives of so many boys in their community. But that's not the only thing on my wish list after reading the poisonous details of the CNN story. After someone disposes of Paterno's statue, and I mean in the next few days, prosecutors need to pursue jail time for former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz, who face perjury charges stemming from a 2001 grand jury appearance where they denied knowing about Sandusky's behavior.That looks to be an outright lie. The CNN story seems to prove that, and not with words from prosecutors or police or unnamed sources. CNN has words it says came from Tim Curley and former Penn State president Graham Spanier.As for Spanier, well, prison doesn't look possible for him. He hasn't been charged with perjury, and I'm not sure the immoral negligence and the despicable cowardice he showed a decade ago are crimes. So if Spanier can't spend time in prison, fine.He can pay another way.The civil suits are coming, and they probably will name Spanier along with Curley, Schultz, Paterno's estate and of course Penn State itself. Everyone should pay, but the first check must be written by Graham Spanier. It needs to have a one, followed by a lot of zeroes before he even thinks about writing the decimal. A million dollars? That's a start, but how much does he have? Sell his house. Raid his 401(k). Take the damn dentures out of his mouth and hawk them on eBay.If that affects the next generation of Spaniers, denying them of the inheritance that would have been theirs, so be it.Think of what Graham Spanier helped to deny the next generation of State College young men, 10 or more who were abused by Sandusky. Officially the count is 10, but few believe that's where the actual number lies. When it comes to serial offenders like Sandusky, the actual number is never as small as the one that comes out in court. For starters, that poor little boy in the shower in 2001? The kid that former Penn State assistant Mike McQueary said he saw being raped by Sandusky? Prosecutors never found that kid.Penn State officials never even looked for him, even though they knew he existed in 2001.They were too busy protecting themselves.That CNN story is bad, people. It's so bad, I'm writing about this scandal again, for the third time in a week, and I didn't want to do it. I don't want to write it, you don't want to read it, most of us just want to do what those 10 victims and their families will never be able to do -- move on.But how can we move on? Did you see what Paterno and his cronies did? Did you see what some of them wrote?CNN found emails between Curley, Spanier and Schultz -- weeks after McQueary reported seeing that rape in 2001 -- that showed the Penn State officials deciding to do the right thing: They would confront Sandusky, they would speak with the folks at his Second Mile grooming grounds, and most importantly they would report the incident to the Department of Welfare.If there was anything to stop in March 2001, by God, that would have stopped it.But then they changed their mind. Why?Because Joe Paterno got involved.CNN found an email from Curley that said: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe [Paterno] yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved."In other words, Curley still wanted to confront Sandusky, Paterno's longtime defensive coordinator. But call Second Mile to warn them Sandusky was using the charity to groom potential victims? Call child welfare officials to tell them of the predator in their midst?Curley didn't want to do that. Not after "talking it over with Joe."And Spanier, gutless cretin that he is, signed off on the new plan."I am supportive," Spanier wrote in an email obtained by CNN. "The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."Read that again.The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon is that we become vulnerable for not having reported it.Never mind the downside of another boy -- or 10 more boys -- being molested by a pedophile. That wasn't the downside that scared Spanier. What scared Spanier? That Penn State, and Penn State officials, would be "vulnerable."This isn't Penn State now, but that was Penn State then. And that was so bad, it hurts. Do you have bile in the back of your throat as you read this? I do, as I write it. Men should go to jail for what happened in 2001, and not only Sandusky. Curley and Schultz do not deserve their freedom. Spanier does not deserve whatever happiness his money can buy.Joe Paterno does not deserve a statue. Or his reputation as a good man.The mask has been almost fully lifted, and I say "almost" because who knows? Maybe it gets worse.Maybe it's bad enough. Maybe enough's enough. Time for the gloves to come all the way off. Time for the men in charge of Penn State -- living and dead -- to face their day of reckoning for the monster they let roam free in 2001.

 

[timschochet]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.

My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

 

[Todd Andrews]

I don't know that Joe knew about kids being raped over years. The one incident he heard about it he went to his boss's. The emails might change the whole context of that, like I said we are still learning things. I do feel awful for the victims, and I can also feel bad for a guy getting torched by the county, who may have not done anything wrong. While having doing many great things in his life.

Not sure why I can't feel bad for more then one person. The whole thing has been a sideshow from the beginning. The media was disgusting, covering 30 minutes on Paterno and then adding a line about how they were thinking of the victims. The story has been covered more about trying to tear down the famous guy then giving a flying #### about the victims.

I'm just trying to call it like I see it. For full disclsoure I hate Penn State, and have spent the past few years making fun of Paterno on Saturdays, about how he's just kind of there(and doesn't really coach anymore)

According to Joe, he heard about "something of a sexual nature" in a shower. If you have a grown man doing that with young boys, I'm sorry, telling one guy and then ignoring it while the guy sticks around and showers with other young boys is not enough. At all. This new email doesn't really change anything imo. From the beginning, it was clear they knew enough that they had to axe Sandusky from the team. Anything of a sexual nature with a young boy naked in the shower bad enough to get him axed from the team is bad enough to go to the authorities.

Let me get this straight. You feel bad for Joe Paterno? You have sympathy for him. Feel he was a victim. Something like that?

I agree, but just going with the facts before a couple days ago. Just trying to put myself in the guy's shoes. Some kid see's a crime, told me he saw something, I tell my boss's and tell the kid to talk to them. I would expect the witness or my boss's to report it to the police if it was worthy of doing so. I just hope I'm not held to such standards in my life, where I have to be the policeman of the world. If I'm Mcreery or the President I am definately going to the police. If I am the coach, I'm trying to beat Michigian on Saturday, I would expect the people around me to not be so stupid.

I really hope that you, or anybody else for that matter, would have the courage to do what Joe didn't have the courage to do. I hope you don't shrink from helping innocent boys getting raped, because if you hear about or witness something like that, you may not be the policeman of the world, but I think you have a responsibility as a human being to at the very least say something. It doesn't matter what your job title is. You make sure the cops know about it.Also, it's "bosses" - you will find some helpful information here

If it's a co-worker who was a witness and my bosses knew about it, not sure where my place is considering there was no specific crime reported. Sandusky probably told them he was horsing around. If I knew a kid was anally raped and nothing happened after awhile I would follow up with the police. Joe got some stupid explanation from Mcreery though, cause he didn't want to say dirty words in front of the old man.

Crewmember, why do you love child rape?

 

[Todd Andrews]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

You love Paterno, the child rapist protector and child rape enabler.

 

[Daywalker]

Where are the student protests? He's a God there still? No wonder covering this up over the past decade, probably much longer, came so easy. Not nearly enough outrage there even today with all of what we know now.

 

[Maude]

So at this point, do Schultz and Curley turn tail and rat on a dead man? If I were either of these two, and if Paterno truly did coerce them to keep quiet about Sandusky, I would be singing like a jay bird.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

I still think that Paterno was so driven to break Bear Bryant's win record that season that he talked them out of this to avoid any possible chance of him getting fired and not breaking the record. Hope I'm wrong and some different reason or context comes from the full report and emails.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So at this point, do Schultz and Curley turn tail and rat on a dead man? If I were either of these two, and if Paterno truly did coerce them to keep quiet about Sandusky, I would be singing like a jay bird.

Paterno's name is mud and he is dead. So really, even if he didn't do things they say (and I think there is still a good chance he did), I have to imagine they'll blame him anyway to help themselves. Just human nature.

 

[Godsbrother]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

I still think that Paterno was so driven to break Bear Bryant's win record that season that he talked them out of this to avoid any possible chance of him getting fired and not breaking the record. Hope I'm wrong and some different reason or context comes from the full report and emails.

Had Paterno told the police and fired Sandusky as soon as heard about it he would have been a hero.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

I still think that Paterno was so driven to break Bear Bryant's win record that season that he talked them out of this to avoid any possible chance of him getting fired and not breaking the record. Hope I'm wrong and some different reason or context comes from the full report and emails.

Had Paterno told the police and fired Sandusky as soon as heard about it he would have been a hero.

If it turned out he knew about the 1998 incident and didn't do anything? I'm not so sure. And remember, people were starting to think he was done as a coach after a 5-7 season.

 

[Godsbrother]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

I still think that Paterno was so driven to break Bear Bryant's win record that season that he talked them out of this to avoid any possible chance of him getting fired and not breaking the record. Hope I'm wrong and some different reason or context comes from the full report and emails.

Had Paterno told the police and fired Sandusky as soon as heard about it he would have been a hero.

If it turned out he knew about the 1998 incident and didn't do anything? I'm not so sure. And remember, people were starting to think he was done as a coach after a 5-7 season.

It depends on what he knew and when he knew it.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This looks really bad. It's not 100% conclusive, but it looks really bad. And I feel awful about it, because I have always been a Paterno fan from afar. Never worshipped the guy, but I always admired him.My question for him, and for Curley and Spanier and the other enablers is: why? How could they possibly have thought that funds coming into the university was more important than to reveal what this monster was doing? How could they condone it? What were they possibly thinking?

I still think that Paterno was so driven to break Bear Bryant's win record that season that he talked them out of this to avoid any possible chance of him getting fired and not breaking the record. Hope I'm wrong and some different reason or context comes from the full report and emails.

Had Paterno told the police and fired Sandusky as soon as heard about it he would have been a hero.

If it turned out he knew about the 1998 incident and didn't do anything? I'm not so sure. And remember, people were starting to think he was done as a coach after a 5-7 season.

It depends on what he knew and when he knew it.

Agreed. Which points to him knowing about 1998, but really, only in retrospect do I think you could have done more in 1998. If that was indeed the first time anyone had heard of this and the DA, who again, was pretty anti-football team, declines to press charges, what do you do as Paterno, Curley, Spanier? They did "encourage" him to take the retirement package and leave. But they were on shaky grounds in terms of taking away the normal office, keys, phone, access, etc. based on one kid saying something that the DA blew off. If someone completely falsely accuses me of rape and the police investigate and never press charges, my company would have some legal liability if they fired me or demoted me or made sure I didn't have access to the office or worked near women or anything like that. Right? So in 1998 I think they really did what they could at the time (assuming there weren't previous skeletons). But 2001 should have sent them all to the police and Child Welfare immediately, based on a second incident and one that was witnessed this time by a third party. In retrospect, of course, it's tragic that they didn't overstep their bounds.

 

[CrossEyed]

Quite a legacy that JoePa left. Quite a legacy indeed.

 

[Godsbrother]

Quite a legacy that JoePa left. Quite a legacy indeed.

Talk about karma...

 

[culdeus]

Jutz wait.

 

[The Commish]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Jutz wait.

 

[culdeus]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

 

[The Commish]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

Me too, GB. Me too.

 

[The Commish]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

Me too, GB. Me too.

If you have free time, I'll host a ConstruxBoy beerpolooza to help you cope. Beers are on me

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

Me too, GB. Me too.

If you have free time, I'll host a ConstruxBoy beerpolooza to help you cope. Beers are on me

LOL, thanks. I would say we'll do it at the draft, but then I'll end up with a crappy team. Again.

 

[The Commish]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

Me too, GB. Me too.

If you have free time, I'll host a ConstruxBoy beerpolooza to help you cope. Beers are on me

LOL, thanks. I would say we'll do it at the draft, but then I'll end up with a crappy team. Again.

Is CHUG II coming back?!?!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

Me too, GB. Me too.

If you have free time, I'll host a ConstruxBoy beerpolooza to help you cope. Beers are on me

LOL, thanks. I would say we'll do it at the draft, but then I'll end up with a crappy team. Again.

Is CHUG II coming back?!?!

Negative ghostrider. Pattern is full.

 

[The Commish]

I really wanted this to end differently. It doesn't appear that I'm going to get my wish.

Meaning what exactly?

I wanted to believe Joe was what I thought he was. I wanted to believe this was isolated.

Me too, GB. Me too.

If you have free time, I'll host a ConstruxBoy beerpolooza to help you cope. Beers are on me

LOL, thanks. I would say we'll do it at the draft, but then I'll end up with a crappy team. Again.

Is CHUG II coming back?!?!

Negative ghostrider. Pattern is full.

 

[Maude]

Next to Sandusky, Mcqueary is the biggest piece of #### in this whole atrocity. What McQueary chose to do and NOT do is worse than anything Paterno might have done.

 

[TexanFan02]

Nice that Yudkin chose to lock the other thread after putting in his opinion.

 

[Bogeys]

Nice that Yudkin chose to lock the other thread after before putting in his opinion.

Fixed

 

[MikeIke]

Nice that Yudkin chose to lock the other thread after putting in his opinion.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Why was it deleted?