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Jet and Denver talking trade (1 Viewer)
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notoriousbob
Footballguy
No rumor who the Jets are after in return? Abraham and draft pick for Bell?
salmonstud
Footballguy
yeah, that is too good to be true for us Bell owners.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Why would Denver trade Bell?This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen.
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MLBrandow
Guest
Abraham for No.22 ?No.22 + no.4 = No.1 ?
someone get out a calculator.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Because this isnt Madden 2006, and Bell was able to average 6 ypc in 2005, while getting paid peanuts?
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen.
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen
I've heard that the Redskins and Broncos have been to two most interested teams in Abraham. From what I have briefly read, Denver seems to be in not so great shape with the salary cap (although in better shape then Washington). And not to expect anything until a CBA goes through.
Just what I have heard on local talk radio here in DC
Just what I have heard on local talk radio here in DC
Warpig
Footballguy
Why would that be good for Bell owners? If you go by all the rumors, the Jets may have a rookie QB behind a rebuilt O-line. Not an ideal situation in my mind. They won't be able to take a QB, RB, and OT in the first round. It Tatum were to go to the Jets I don't even think he'd match the numbers he had last year.
salmonstud
Footballguy
I don't see Shanny ever giving him a starting gig. 3-1 says Denver takes yet another RB before round 4.
As a Bronco fan for over 20+ years, I can tell you Bell is nothing you can't get in the 2nd to 3rd round in almost every draft. He has speed to hit the hole and is a good back with the Denver blocking scheme, but is not that solid of a pass catcher or pass blocker. Pretty much any back with speed can do exactly what Bell does in the Denver offense.Why not use him to get some other need and then draft another RB just like him in the draft.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
A 5.3 ypc is a little bit closer to reality than 6.0 ypc. And it was for Denver, so you can lop off anywhere from half to a full yard if he played anywhere else as far as I'm concerned. (Droughns dropped 0.5 in Cleveland. Portis dropped 1.7 heading to Washington.)
diesel7982
Footballguy
So Denver should trade Bell and spend a 2nd round pick to replace him? Why, in that case, wouldnt they just send the Jets the 2nd rounder and save the million or two in the signing bonus for the new pick?As a Bronco fan for over 20+ years, I can tell you Bell is nothing you can't get in the 2nd to 3rd round in almost every draft. He has speed to hit the hole and is a good back with the Denver blocking scheme, but is not that solid of a pass catcher or pass blocker. Pretty much any back with speed can do exactly what Bell does in the Denver offense.Why not use him to get some other need and then draft another RB just like him in the draft.
Yes but that is not that bad. Droughns only droping half a ypc when he went to CLE. Plus you have to remember that Jon Jansen was gone all year with an Achilles Tendon rupture during Portis's first year with WSH. His ypc was back up again this year.edit to say......Bell would have a bit of a drop off, but I dont think it would be 1.5 ypc. maybe .5 or so...shouldn't be too bad.
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Denver's about to have some serious WR issues IMO. I can't imagine a Shanny team without a solid WR. I wouldn't be surprised if this puts pressure on TO in a "we either give you or Abe the money" type way. Rosenhaus blew off Herm at the combine(too busy answerring his cell phones to talk) and if I were Denver I'd act now.
I wouldn't be surprised if Romeo(Savage) put in an offer for Abe.
I wouldn't be surprised if Romeo(Savage) put in an offer for Abe.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Portis's ypc this year was still 1.2 lower than in Denver. For a player like Bell, I think it would be hard to project his performance elsewhere based on the fact that he had a lot of breakaway runs that might or might not happen on another team.
He did what he did, so we can't exclude his big gainers, but if he were to lose a few of those his ypc would be quite a bit lower.
He did what he did, so we can't exclude his big gainers, but if he were to lose a few of those his ypc would be quite a bit lower.
I don't see RB as a pressing need for the Jets. Abe's a stud. They gotta get something they can "bank on" for him. Bell can't beat out Mike Anderson and they already have a speed back in Blaylock. Getting Bell might mean they'd have to cut one of Martin, Houston, or Blaylock too.
Mike
Footballguy
Thanks for the old Madden cliche, I'm quite aware of what we're talking about. In essence, I'm saying Bell sucks and adds nothing to the Jets. He is serviceable in Denver's system as a RBBC guy. If you disagree that Bell sucks, thats fine, we'll agree to disagree on that point. Neither of us will be alone in our respective opinions.Because this isnt Madden 2006, and Bell was able to average 6 ypc in 2005, while getting paid peanuts?
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen.
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, almost a 1000 yd rusher splitting carries, 8 tds, and a 5.3 ypc makes for a lousy RB. What criteria do you use when determining a RBs worth?Thanks for the old Madden cliche, I'm quite aware of what we're talking about. In essence, I'm saying Bell sucks and adds nothing to the Jets. He is serviceable in Denver's system as a RBBC guy. If you disagree that Bell sucks, thats fine, we'll agree to disagree on that point. Neither of us will be alone in our respective opinions.Because this isnt Madden 2006, and Bell was able to average 6 ypc in 2005, while getting paid peanuts?
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen.
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen
Let's not even begin to touch on his speed. Edited to say that I don't own Bell in any league, so I have no reason to pimp him. I do think he has oogles of talent if given the full time job. I also think worrying about his durability is over hyped.
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diesel7982
Footballguy
I guess my point is our opinions about Bell's talent are meaningless. Guys getting paid less than 500k a year who can run for 1000/5.3/8 don't get traded(unless you are playing Madden, hence the reference) or replaced. Its as much of a business decision as it is a football decision.Thanks for the old Madden cliche, I'm quite aware of what we're talking about. In essence, I'm saying Bell sucks and adds nothing to the Jets. He is serviceable in Denver's system as a RBBC guy. If you disagree that Bell sucks, thats fine, we'll agree to disagree on that point. Neither of us will be alone in our respective opinions.Because this isnt Madden 2006, and Bell was able to average 6 ypc in 2005, while getting paid peanuts?
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen.
This would be a simple draft pick trade, should it happen
diesel7982
Footballguy
Im not sure I understand why people keep making jokes about this...it worked, didnt it?
That truly made me laugh out loud...
David Yudkin
Footballguy
For the record, Bell is one of only 7 RB that had a season with 900+ rushing yards and a 5.3 ypc.
1 Eric Dickerson 1984 379-2105-5.55-14
2 Clinton Portis 2003 290-1591-5.49-14
3 Clinton Portis 2002 273-1508-5.52-15
4 Otis Armstrong 1974 263-1407-5.35-9
5 Gale Sayers 1966 229-1231-5.38-8
6 Franco Harris 1972 188-1055-5.61-10
7 Tatum Bell 2005 173-921-5.32-8
Things worked out pretty well for the other guys, but Bell is the only one that still is not a starter.
1 Eric Dickerson 1984 379-2105-5.55-14
2 Clinton Portis 2003 290-1591-5.49-14
3 Clinton Portis 2002 273-1508-5.52-15
4 Otis Armstrong 1974 263-1407-5.35-9
5 Gale Sayers 1966 229-1231-5.38-8
6 Franco Harris 1972 188-1055-5.61-10
7 Tatum Bell 2005 173-921-5.32-8
Things worked out pretty well for the other guys, but Bell is the only one that still is not a starter.
Purpulhippo999
Footballguy
jets will trade abraham for bell and the no. 22 pick
denver will draft a guy like deangelo williams witht heir highest pick/do something with mike anderson since denve cant keep a running back for a year
jets will then draft cutler no. 4 and draft eric winston OT or Winston justice OT with the 22 pick
denver will draft a guy like deangelo williams witht heir highest pick/do something with mike anderson since denve cant keep a running back for a year
jets will then draft cutler no. 4 and draft eric winston OT or Winston justice OT with the 22 pick
Traders2001
Footballguy
Can Bell can do better than Houston with the Jets .
I would not touch Bell with a 10' pole .
Always hurt , soft etc , etc . etc .
Anibody rushes for a 5,3ypc with Denver . Look at what Dayne did when he played , he looked better then Bell.
I would not touch Bell with a 10' pole .
Always hurt , soft etc , etc . etc .
Anibody rushes for a 5,3ypc with Denver . Look at what Dayne did when he played , he looked better then Bell.
diesel7982
Footballguy
When? The Dallas game? You feel comfortable drawing a conclusion based upon one game?
GregR_2
Footballguy
The Draft Pick Value Chart that is supposed to be close to what most teams go by, says the No 1 is worth the No 4, the No 22, and a fairly early 2nd round pick. The Jets might get a 4th back as well as the No 1.Though the strength of this year's draft class might have some teams viewing deeper picks as worth more than other years.
I'm not sure I understand this quote but:
"I think we've seen in the draft, someone who moves two picks gives up a number two or a late number one to go two spots in the early picks. You're really not sure exactly how someone values those picks. Everyone's a little different in their philosophy." — Broncos coach Mike Shanahan on the possibility of trading the team's two late first-round picks to move up in the first round.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/home.htm
"I think we've seen in the draft, someone who moves two picks gives up a number two or a late number one to go two spots in the early picks. You're really not sure exactly how someone values those picks. Everyone's a little different in their philosophy." — Broncos coach Mike Shanahan on the possibility of trading the team's two late first-round picks to move up in the first round.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/home.htm
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broncofan13000
Footballguy
I highly doubt Abraham is worth a first rounder, and not likely both Bell and a first.
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trader jake
Guest
true...TO to denver just makes sense. i'd guess the browns go after packer FA DE aaron kampman before going after abe in a tradebell going to NY doesn't really help either team. trades that make sense rarely get done and these bell/draft pick/abraham trades don't even do that
Wyatt Earp
Footballguy
Another player the Broncos might offer up in a deal would be Putzier, if the Jets were still interested in him (tried to sign him last year) it seems the Broncos either can't, or wont, use him to his potential and if the team is high on Duke making progress in another year behind stone hands Alexander then perhaps they ship Putzier and his higher contract out.
diesel7982
Footballguy
What would the Browns do with either player? Neither can play in a 3-4
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Abraham can play the blitzing OLB spot in a 3-4.
Hasn't Abe already played for Romeo? I thought(working on no sleep, maybe I'm wrong) Romeo worked extensively with him when he first got to the NFL. Parcells grabbed he and Ellis and Abe was a "tweener" that needed some coach to work with him. That guy I thought was Romeo. Maybe I'm mistaken
Warpig
Footballguy
Abraham is just getting to his prime...fairly young and has averaged double digit sacks the past two seasons on a team he has been displeased with. Imagine what he could do with a little motivation. I think he's worth a first rounder. Not necessarily a top 5 pick, but certainly a later 1st round pick.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I just don't see Denver doing this.
They have other areas of needs to fill that are bigger than the LB spot--WR and S to just name a few.
They have other areas of needs to fill that are bigger than the LB spot--WR and S to just name a few.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
their safeties are perfoming fine, its just how long can they keep it up; my gues is another 2 years.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Not for the $8+ mil he'll want to sign for.
