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really endearing himself to fansJeter wants 6 years for $150M with a minimum ceiling of $25M per?!?
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/26060115
The next month is going to fun watching how this unfolds. Either way Jeter is crazy to think that he will get anywhere near that amount.
JeterAnthony Mccarron and Bill Madden of the New York Daily News are reporting that Derek Jeter’s agent, Casey Close, is asking the Yankees for a five-year deal worth $22-24 million per season.That equates to either $110 or $120 million. Madden was the one that reported the six-year, $150 million figure Friday prior to a New York Times report that said Jeter's camp was looking for a four- or five-year deal worth $23-24 million per season. So, it appears we know basically what Close is wanting annually, it's just a matter of whether he's wanting five years or will settle for four. The only Yankees offer we know about is for three years and $45 million, so obviously the two sides remain very far apart. Stay tuned for what's sure to be plenty more updates. Nov. 27 - 8:38 am et
3-45 is overpaying. 4-40 is overpaying. There is no market for Jeter. Jeter would get a 2 year deal for 6-7 a year on the open market.
I think he'd get more. That's what a shortstop of his age and ability should get, and that's what a guy named Derek Smith would get, but at least one other team would pay based on his image/legacy. Not the amount that he's asking for, but likely up into the 10+ million/year range.
Honestly, who do you think would overpay other than the Yankees? THe only team I could think of would be the Angels, and by overpay, I think 9 0r 10 mil.Derek Jeter by himself will not bring people into a stadium. (aside from an increase when he gets withing 3 hits of 3,000). Fielding a solid product gets fans into seats. And the cost/benefit in that regard is not good. Jeter was very bad at the plate last year, and he is a statue at SS. And he is 36. He should be getting a 2 year deal at around 7 mil per, and some might argue that is too much.
My point is, someone in the yankee organization is leaking that incorrect info. All part of the negotiating process.
StandardWhen I said 3 year 45M or kick rocks I had no idea that's the stance the Yanks were taking.
Ive heard SF & BAL as possibilities as well as CINCY & WAS wouldnt shock me.
I will break my Sabean positivity vows if the Giants throw serious money at Jeter
Don't see those as teams willing to pay Jeter 15 mil per.Washington, not a chance, they don't have a blank checkbook like the Yankees, so they need to be wise with their money and not overpay a player by 8 mil a year. Ian Desmon had an OPS .10 points lower than Jeter, makes a fraction of his salary, and is 13 years younger.Cincy already has the clubhouse veteran guy in Scott Rolen, and they also can't afford to overpay at the position. Baltimore? Well, Angelos hasn't exactly made great personnel decisions recently, but Jeter does not fit into the rebuilding. They can get some nice pitching for 15 million per.San Francisco needs a shortstop, but they can just resign Edgar Renteria who will take a shorter term, and far less money than 15 mil per.The Yanks will resign Jeter, the question is how grossly they will overpay to do so.
Did you read my post? I said Jeter would probably get 10mil on the open market.
cuz theyd be overpaying for a 3B
Yeah, pretty much. There's no sense in giving superstar money to a light hitter in his late 30's to field a power position poorly. Even high-budget teams have to be wise with how they spend their money. I think Jeter can rebound back into .300/.370/.450 territory, but even then it could only be a few years. And I don't think he's ever going to be even an average defender."Mystique" doesn't win ballgames. Hit well, field well, pitch well. Do those things, and you win games. Jeter or Rivera or Ruth or Mantle didn't have magical powers, they are/were just really, really good at baseball. Play well, win games, win titles, and people say you have "mystique."On the topic of treating baseball team construction like the cold science that it is, would Yankee fans be in favor of NYY making take-it-or-leave-it offers to Jeter and Rivera, with the Plan B's of Beltre and Soriano waiting in the wings, respectively? If we can agree that both present a better value over the next 4-5 years, would NYY fans be willing to part with the players they love for guys who are going to help them win more games? What about in two years if NYY dumps Jeter and backs up the truck for Tulo?PS: Wanna come over and put up my lights too?
As a Red Sox fan, please no. I can care less about the Yankees mystique. And I want the Red Sox to spend wisely, giving Jeter 4/75 would be foolish, for any team.
I don't see how Beltre's a Plan B. Whoever signs him will have to overpay for him (Boras client) and there's nothing that says the Yankees want A-Rod back at SS with his hip.
I'd rather overpay for Jeter and Mo and not win the World Series than sign Beltre and Soriano and win the next three in a row. I realize I'm in a microscopic minority on that one.Dr. Bronner said:
Exactly.There is zero chance the Red Sox sign Jeter.
We're going to lose with the guys who got us here
I said it over in the Yankee thread. The Yankees have won 5 World Series in my lifetime, more than I ever thought I'd see when I first rooted for Oscar Azocar and Claudell Washington back in the day. It's not a matter of not caring if they win, but it would mean more to me to see those two guys as Yankees for life than to see one or two more titles in the next few years. And I know this statement contradicts just about everything I said in the college football thread a few weeks back, but I can enjoy a Yankees season even without them winning a championship. My favorite Yankee team ever is the 2001 squad, so to me it's not about winning above all else. It's about the chase to get there.I feel a connection with the remaining holdovers from those late 90's teams, something I'll never have for the next generation of Yankee players (even the ones we developed like Cano, Gardner, Hughes) because they were the first guys I saw win it all. I want to keep them as long as possible, even at a detriment to the current group. And I know most other Yankee fans feel completely differently and want to win the World Series every year, but at what point does it stop being about a connection with the players on the field and become a process of just collecting flags to put on top of the stadium?We're going to lose with the guys who got us here
Imo, it's ALWAYS about putting flags atop the stadium. Jeter might cause a mess for a couple of years if he leaves the team, but eventually he'll be remembered and loved as one of the greatest Yankees.
I actually think it's the years that are the biggest issue -- they need to have a way to land Tulo at SS when his contract with the Rockies is up - and they can't have Jeter around at that time as a SS. In 3 yrs what kind of DH would he even be?
The Rockies control Tulowitzki through the end of 2014
Nickel and dime? 15 mil per for a 36 year old shortstop who is a statue at SS and had a .720 OPS last year? That is nickel and diming?Jeter needs to thank Yankee management for being so generous. I would hate to see the Sox spend even 10 million on Jeter. Great locker room guy, and an average shortstop.
If the Sox could sign him for 10 million, they would be foolish not to. Jeter had a pretty bad 2010, but if he can creep up anywhere near back to his 2009 form, then he is a hell of a signing for 10 million (even taking into account his defense).
He is 36, if he was 26, I would say bet on a rebound. Unless he has been talking to his buddy Andy Pettite about how to turn back the clock.And maybe you saw who was 1 spot ahead of Jeter in OPS?????SCUTARO!!!!!!!
Yes, nickle and dime. This is an organization that literally burns money. Bill Simmons had it right on his podcast about this. Imagine if the Celtics did this with Larry Bird at the end of his career? "Hey Larry, well we know that you have a bad back and your numbers have gone down a bit. You're not the player you used to be so here's your offer, take it or leave it. Good luck finding a better deal somewhere else." There would have been riots. And that's a sport with a salary cap! This is baseball. Why would anyone care what any player is making? Yankee fans only want Jeter to retire a Yankee as long as he doesn't make more than he's worth? This is incredible to me. Pay him 100M a year. Who cares? As a Sox fan you actually care what their payroll is? You'd rather have Scutaro there?Balco said:
Every team has a set amount they can afford, while still making a profit (And believe me I have commented quite a bit how much of a joke MLB's no salary cap is). If the Red Sox spent 15-20 mil on a 36 year old who plays a very demanding position, and whose range is pretty bad, and whose offense fell markedly last year, I would be livid. I want the team I root for to put out the best product available. And there are financial constraints on every team. For 15-20 mil I would rather have Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford.
It's the Yankees. They can have all the players they want. You'd really be "livid" if the red sox overpaid for Jeter? It's an upgrade at the position in a league with no salary cap. Do you work for the organization or something? The Sox and Yanks outspend everyone. Suddenly their fans are looking for them to be frugal? Why not just be thankful you have a ridiculous advantage over most of the other franchises? I can't imagine any true Yankee fan would want Jeter to walk over money, especially when they've paid for everyone else. Even worse they're taking their case to the media and embarrassing one of the greatest Yankees of all time. Class guy on and off the field. What'd they pay for Arod to stay?
I hope he stays healthy. The kind of deals teams have to make to keep elite players away from the big boys.
Yeah, the 11 year Helton deal and 8 year Hampton contract worked out so well for Colorado
Interesting - surprised the Rockies are willing to go this far as he's had some injury issues. But the fans here would love that move.
It would be fun for the first two series against the Yanks, then the Sox would realize they still have 3 years at 18m per, probably for a .275 DH with no power.
I think he'd thrive in Fenway. The guy is a winner. Who cares what they're paying him? There's no cap. If this is about caring if a team turns a profit you guys should all be Clipper fans. Never pay for anyone, suck every year but always turn a nice profit. Me? I'll take the team who overspends, takes a shot at a title and maybe loses a few bones in the process. So they sign him and he falls off a cliff? Who cares? This is about sticking the proverbial middler up your main rivals ####. They couldn't pay Jeter enough to see the pain on the faces of Yankee fans when Jeter's pinging balls off the Monster in the playoffs. Greatest coup in baseball history. I'm honestly shocked they haven't come out and said they're interested even if they're not. Worst case they raise his price, best case Rudy Guiliani cries on TV when they announce the Sox have signed him. I'd almost watch baseball again if this happened.
Pretty sure this won't work out either.Yeah, the 11 year Helton deal and 8 year Hampton contract worked out so well for Colorado
So sticking the proverbial finger up your rivals ### is more important than roster flexibility and payroll allocation? That's cool, I guess we would have two different ways of running a team. As the GM of the Red Sox, I wouldn't care too much about how I make the Yankees fans or Rudy Giuliani feel. But that's just me.
ETA: They're reportedly close to giving Mo 16/17m a year. They're having a problem with the years. Would Jeter be ok with making less than Rivera??
