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Silly Pats fans.
conan2
Footballguy
First, I'm a Pats homer and I'll admit my opinion on this issue is tainted.
But...
Don't you think hiding the fact that your starting QB's throwing arm is injured is a fairly major offense? I found the fine to be the equivalent of a slap on the wrist and not nearly so much as to deter this type of activity in the future. Quite the opposite, in fact, I think this puts a fairly cheap price on this type of cheating.
But...
Don't you think hiding the fact that your starting QB's throwing arm is injured is a fairly major offense? I found the fine to be the equivalent of a slap on the wrist and not nearly so much as to deter this type of activity in the future. Quite the opposite, in fact, I think this puts a fairly cheap price on this type of cheating.
Phurfur
Footballguy
What were the Pat's penalized when they were charged with the same thing? I don't recall.
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Just curious - what makes it a "major offense"? Did the Jets get a competitive advantage of some sort? I mean you could look at game film and know Favre was not making the same throws as early in the season.I'll hang up and listen.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
So are you suggesting that the league take more serious action against coaches and teams that aren't completely honest with their injury reports? Really? A Pats fan calling for harsher penalties for teams not properly reporting injuries?
Not Sure
Footballguy
DeCleater
Footballguy
I wonder where Mangini learned how to do that?
conan2
Footballguy
The health of a QB's throwing arm obviously has a direct impact on his ability to perform during a game. Knowing that Favre's performance at the end of the season last year rather than due to simple poor performance makes a difference.I'm not saying that there should have been draft picks or suspensions involved...just that the fines meted out were paltry.
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Insoxicated
who cares? That's like kicking the #### out of a homless guy for stealing your hot dog.The jets are stuck being the jets. It's like a barking chihuahua. We're talking about a team that hasn't so much as sniffed a superbowl since the AFL/NFL merger.
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jwb
Footballguy
I can see why a Pats fan would feel that way, but I guess the commish looks at every infraction like this in an individual manner. In this case, the league likely feels this is more "Mangini" than "Jets" - thus, you might have seen a stiffer penalty if Mangini were still there. I would not be shocked if Tanni knew absolutely nothing about this until a week or so ago.
conan2
Footballguy
If you remember, let me know.
I don't think the Jets should be punished at all, and that they should be fighting this much harder.
"Probable" on the injury report implies a 25% chance of not playing. There was never a week where there was even a 1% chance Favre wasn't going to play. So why should he be listed if he's for sure going to play?
Seems to me it would have been more misleading if the Jets *did* list him on the injury report.
"Probable" on the injury report implies a 25% chance of not playing. There was never a week where there was even a 1% chance Favre wasn't going to play. So why should he be listed if he's for sure going to play?
Seems to me it would have been more misleading if the Jets *did* list him on the injury report.
conan2
Footballguy
Yes. Really.More importantly, if the league really cared about this issue, the fines would have been larger.
ditka...mike ditka
Footballguy
No way draft picks should of been lost. They didnt gain an advantage.
He played every week, so i dont see a problem. If it were the other way around, and they never listed him, and then all of a sudden sunday morning they announced he wasnt playing, then i think there is a problem. But if they knew the whole time every time he was going to play, I dont see this as a major infraction
He played every week, so i dont see a problem. If it were the other way around, and they never listed him, and then all of a sudden sunday morning they announced he wasnt playing, then i think there is a problem. But if they knew the whole time every time he was going to play, I dont see this as a major infraction
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Embarassing behavior from my fellow Patriots fans.
The Comedian
Footballguy
They're the Jets.
/punishment
/punishment
Sleeping King
Footballguy
Spygate meets Musclegate. 
The fine is more than enough. The injury report has been a joke for a long time. As stupid as the Jets were for not listing Favre it's just as stupid, yet funny, that Belichick listed Brady as probable for three years with a "Shoulder".
The fine is more than enough. The injury report has been a joke for a long time. As stupid as the Jets were for not listing Favre it's just as stupid, yet funny, that Belichick listed Brady as probable for three years with a "Shoulder".
Arch Stanton
Footballguy
So if a QB were listed on the injury report for say a season or two with a nebulous injury in his arm yet played every single game at a record setting, MVP level pace and thereby lulling all the defenses they played into a lesser state of readiness, that kind of injury report manipulation should be fined? That makes as much difference as the minor ir violations of the Jets. Brady recovered from major knee surgery faster than the mysterious ailment that had him on the injury report every week.A shorter version is something about glass houses and such.
Another translation is...Waaaaaaaaahhhhhh
JMJ
Footballguy
This is not the first time a team has been "caught" withholding information on injury reports. In every single past case, EVERY SINGLE ONE, the punishment has been a fine. Not once has a team ever been docked picks. THAT is why. There is no precedence for it.
Docking picks only happens for severe levels of cheating. You know, like spying on opponents and filming their walk throughs/hand signals.
Docking picks only happens for severe levels of cheating. You know, like spying on opponents and filming their walk throughs/hand signals.
conan2
Footballguy
I believe the rules are pretty explicit that even if you are 100% certain that an injured player will play, you still need to list the injury.
conan2
Footballguy
I apologize. The fines are just about as small as they could possibly be and that surprised me a bit.
Adebisi
Footballguy
Every team in the league "cheats" in one form or another... whether it's manipulating the injury report, circumventing the salary cap, tampering with another team's upcoming free agent, individual players using PEDs, on-field behavior, any number of home field advantage tactics, or, yes (Pats fan here), videotaping the other team's signals. You're extremely and laughably (and sadly) naive if you believe otherwise. Obviously, some of these infractions are more severe than others, but the only relevant question is where you, as an individual sports fan, subjectively draw the line between what is acceptable as part of the game and what is not.
simey
Footballguy
They lost 20-17 to the Steelers in the second round of the playoff games in 2005. Maybe they should have been taping signals of other teams to advance.The jets are stuck being the jets. It's like a barking chihuahua. We're talking about a team that hasn't so much as sniffed a superbowl since the AFL/NFL merger.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I believe Belichick and the Pats were fined so severely and docked that draft pick for the blatant disregard of the Commissioner's Memo, moreso than the videotaping.Goodell even said he didn't see what competitive advantage taping signals gave the Pats. Goodell made an example out of the Pats for testing his authority.Just a Pats homer'sThis is not the first time a team has been "caught" withholding information on injury reports. In every single past case, EVERY SINGLE ONE, the punishment has been a fine. Not once has a team ever been docked picks. THAT is why. There is no precedence for it.Docking picks only happens for severe levels of cheating. You know, like spying on opponents and filming their walk throughs/hand signals.
, but that's how I interpreted the punishment.
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Insoxicated
They lost 20-17 to the Steelers in the second round of the playoff games in 2005. Maybe they should have been taping signals of other teams to advance.The jets are stuck being the jets. It's like a barking chihuahua. We're talking about a team that hasn't so much as sniffed a superbowl since the AFL/NFL merger.
Apparently it was common practice then.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Dont apologize just cuz I have an opinion.The only reason that there was any fine at all for the Jets here is because of the interests of organized gambling. The injury report is for Las Vegas, etc.
Banger
Footballguy
aren't the injury reports about the probability that an injured player doesn't play? If he was going to play and did play I don't really understand the big deal. If every team listed every injury that every player on the 53 man roster had each week the injury report would be a phone book. Toward the end of the season nearly every player has some kind of ache or pain. If it were the inverse, not listed on the injury report and then mysteriously didn't play, I could understand the outrage but this is much ado about nothing....
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The injury rules are pretty detailed, and I believe where the Jets went wrong is that an injury that required actual medical treatment (ie not a trainer with an ice pack and a whirlpool) is something that is suppose to be listed.I believe what should have happened was that Favre should have been listed as FULLY PARTICIPATED IN PRACTICE each Wed and Thur injury report and PROBABLE on Fri the first week and FULLY PARTICIPATED IN PRACTICE the proceeding weeks and not on the injury report at all on Fridays.Why no one took the Pats to task for Ellis Hobbs being more injured than Favre for most of 2007 and not being listed on the injury report seems incongruous to this recent ruling, and I'm not sure how NE was allowed to skate on that one.I think the recent fine has more to do with making the league look bad for one of their bankable players than anything else. Hobbs is not exactly a household name . . .
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I hear ya Banger, but I think a torn bicep is a little more than just an ache or pain.
Banger
Footballguy
exactly...Favre announced this at a press conference and then the national media picked it up and started questioning people. The NFL made a save face move, slapped them with a fine, case closed.
Adebisi
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
but what does it really matter if he was planning on playing and did play. Like I said it makes sense if he wasn't on the report then mysteriously didn't play but if he had every intention of playing and did play what's the big deal. Believe me, I don't defend Mangina and his idiotic secrecy but this was the NFL saving face for a public statement by Favre at a press conference.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Pats fans, let it go. You all know the "infraction" means nothing in terms of competitive advantage. I find it ridiculous that Goodell found a fine was necessary, given, as several have pointed out, that Favre practiced and played every week.
Adebisi
Footballguy
I think there is a very good chance that Goodell just said that in order to preserve the integrity of the league. Even if Goodell himself legitimately couldn't see any competitive advantage in doing it, if the Patriots weren't getting anything out of it, then they would not have been doing it.
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RUSF18
Footballguy
I'm willing to bet no money actually changes hands.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
LOL, they gained no advantage in this. Farve was hurt and they did not report it, yeah that was a big advantageI don't see any mention of this anywhere? If you blatantly manipulate the injury report in an effort to gain a competitive advantage then why do you only recieve a fine?* 9-7
. Cheating is what the Patriots did.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
Because it's punishment enough for the Jets to have to live with their horrible picks.
Phlash
Footballguy
The Jets haven't done anything since Joe Namath so lets cut them some slack when it comes to supposed "cheating".
Its pretty clear that they were fined simply because Goodell doesn't want to upset irrational Patriots fans who would get bent out of shape thinking that there is some sort of conspiracy against the Pats. Personally, I think this punishment is a bit harsh for the crime, but then again docking a team a first round draft pick for documenting something they are allowed to do under league rules I find extremely harsh.
Let it go.
Its pretty clear that they were fined simply because Goodell doesn't want to upset irrational Patriots fans who would get bent out of shape thinking that there is some sort of conspiracy against the Pats. Personally, I think this punishment is a bit harsh for the crime, but then again docking a team a first round draft pick for documenting something they are allowed to do under league rules I find extremely harsh.
Let it go.
JMJ
Footballguy
Our "picks" in the last 4 years:Mark SanchezDustin KellerDarrell RevisDavid HarrisNick MangoldD'Brickashaw FergusonKerry RhodesLeon WashingtonJerricho CotcheryThe ONLY high pick the Jets have (maybe) busted on in the last 4-5 years is Vernon Gholston and Kellen Clemens if you want to consider him since he was a 2nd round pick and doesn't look like he will ever start for us barring injury.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
If Favre had missed a game due to an unreported injury, then the Jets would have lost a draft pick.edit: but looking at their recent draft picks, the Jets might have prefered to keep the $125K and give up the pick.
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abishagenaden
Footballguy
Can someone tell me what the original purpose of requiring teams to report their player's status on injury reports is/was?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
actually I think a fine is the only available punishment for this abuse.I don't see any mention of this anywhere? If you blatantly manipulate the injury report in an effort to gain a competitive advantage then why do you only recieve a fine?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
are you serious? is this what people in patriot land are fed? You either are an idiot, or in complete denial.Reading the movements of ONE player is a huge advantage for a qb. Knowing the plays in advance? That is laughable. (no blindside blitzes, don't need to post snap read/blitz zone, KNOW what 'should' be open based on the D called)Try something. Play a game of madden vs a friend. Only one of you has to announce exactly what defebse you are playing (including which position yo are blitzing from)If you are of comparable skill, he will blow you out buy 40I believe Belichick and the Pats were fined so severely and docked that draft pick for the blatant disregard of the Commissioner's Memo, moreso than the videotaping.Goodell even said he didn't see what competitive advantage taping signals gave the Pats. Goodell made an example out of the Pats for testing his authority.Just a Pats homer'sThis is not the first time a team has been "caught" withholding information on injury reports. In every single past case, EVERY SINGLE ONE, the punishment has been a fine. Not once has a team ever been docked picks. THAT is why. There is no precedence for it.Docking picks only happens for severe levels of cheating. You know, like spying on opponents and filming their walk throughs/hand signals., but that's how I interpreted the punishment.
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