Jets Fire Henderson, others (1 Viewer)

[wannabee]

Jets Fire Defensive Coordinator Henderson, Two OthersAP SportsNEW YORK (Jan. 19) - Defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson was one of three assistant coaches fired Thursday by the New York Jets . New coach Eric Mangini chose not to retain Henderson, who also interviewed this month for the head coach's job in New Orleans ; wide receivers coach Pep Hamilton; and tight ends coach John Zernhelt. Henderson joined the Jets for the 2004 season, overseeing a vast improvement in the defense as the Jets made the playoffs. In 2005, the defense played well in spots, but could not carry an anemic offense. Injuries also plagued the team as the Jets finished 4-12. Hired by previous coach Herman Edwards, who left earlier this month to become Kansas City 's coach, Henderson guided a unit that ranked second against the pass, mainly because opponents could run so well against New York . The Jets were ranked 29th at stopping the run. Hamilton joined the coaching staff in 2003, when he was hired as offensive quality control coach. After that season he was elevated to offensive assistant coach before being promoted to oversee the wide receivers in 2005. Zernhelt joined the Jets last February. He's a former head coach at The Citadel.

 

[zamboni]

As I mentioned in another Mangini/Jets thread, I'm not happy to see Henderson depart. He's had a big part in the sizable improvement of the Jets defense the past few years.Despite the presence of Mangini, who has experience on the defensive side of the ball, I can't help but think the defense takes a step back next year without Henderson.

 

[Reaper]

Ehhhh.. Henderson did extemely well in his first year..But, last year the Defense laid an egg before ANY injuries occured..THE DEFENSE was THE reason anyone out there was crazy enough to discuss the NY Jets and the Super Bowl in the same sentence... The DEFENSE, as Henderson told his players was supposed to be LIGHTS OUT and supposed to be THE ROCK of this team.... Supposed to be Ravens-like... The whole team was supposed to take a book out of the Ravens Super Bowl year and lock down teams with defense and get a semi-respectable offense on the field.THE DEFENSE - left a lot to be desired...And every time someone wants to blame the offense for the defense I want to puke on them. I realize there's some correlation BUT, The defense was beaten up EARLY in games before the offense got to force it's will on the games...The defense never looked dominant... 1st few plays of The Season, the defense got dragged around the field liek schlumps.I say Mangini can tweak that defense and have it performing every bit as well as last year and a lot better.... Maybe a step back from 2004 but, last years defense isn't much to compare to.They know what they need - Get a big body Vet for the middle and another CB, maybe a rookie and I think they go above and beyond what Henderson did.

 

[The_Hunchback]

Keep in mind when an offense is as horrible as the Jets offense was the defense is going to normally look pretty bad also. Teams could get the lead and then just keep running the ball against them, no reason to pass when you are up with no offense on the other side to mount a comeback. I am not saying the defense doesn't have problems though.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Just heard this on the radio and was extremely upset. I am a big donnie fan. i guess with mangini coming from the def. side, he wants to exert more control there? henderson is hardly a shrinking violet. there was speculation a few weeks ago that herm would try to take him to k.c. is that a possibility? (I don't know the current characters/situation out there.)

 

[brednbuddah]

from today's ny post. I do hope mangini has the smarts to hold on to ST coach, mike westhoff. It didn't look like henderson was going to stay with Jets no matter what. don't know much about Sheppard, possible OC, but Mike Francessa of the WFAN was talking him up yesterday. we'll see...

MANGINI NAMES SUTTON DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR

By MARK CANNIZZARO

January 19, 2006 -- The staffing procedure for Eric Mangini's new-face Jets began yesterday with the new head coach interviewing members of the current staff and hiring Bob Sutton as his defensive coordinator, according to multiple team sources.

Mangini, according to the sources, is also retaining defensive line coach Denny Marcin, defensive backs coach Corwin Brown and strength and conditioning coach Markus Paul.

That might not be all of the former Herman Edwards assistants who'll be retained. Mangini, who worked his way around Weeb Ewbank Hall interviewing the existing assistant coaches, isn't yet finished meeting with everyone.

It's believed Mangini began with the defensive side of the ball, interviewing special teams coach Mike Westhoff, who might yet stay.

Mangini then started on the offensive coaches, but he didn't complete the interviews as evening approached. It's uncertain whether he got to offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger, offensive line coach Doug Marrone or receivers coach Pep Hamilton. If not, they'll be interviewed today.

The hiring of Sutton was a mild surprise in that Sutton, who has been the linebackers coach here since Al Groh and Bill Parcells brought him aboard in 2000, is such a quiet figure.

But he's an accomplished coach, having been a head coach at Army.

Defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson wasn't in the building at all, according to sources. He's believed to be in Green Bay, where he'll interview for the defensive coordinator post there. There is no chance of him staying anyway.

Westhoff, reached last night, said no decision was made on his future yet. He has one year remaining on his contract.

"We met and talked and it was very fair," he said. "Eric doesn't know me; he knows of me. There were some good things that came out, some good positive things. I don't think they're anxious for me to leave.

"So far, it was a very fair discussion. We had very frank discussions. I was very honest."

Keeping Westhoff, who has one year remaining on his current contract, makes a lot of sense for Mangini.

The Jets' special teams success has been well-documented. If Mangini doesn't retain Westhoff, Edwards is surely waiting to pounce on him whenever he's freed from his contract.

"Whatever people decide I respect and I'll move forward," Westhoff said. "The Jets have been extremely fair to me over the years. If I stay here, I want them to want me to be here under the same kind of role I've had, where I helped out in some personnel and was very involved in penalties and rules."

He expects to speak with Mangini again today, saying, "I want to get going ... very shortly here."

One heavily speculated name to be Mangini's offensive coordinator is Mike Sheppard, most recently with the Saints. Sheppard worked with Mangini both in Cleveland and Baltimore.

"I haven't heard anything yet," Sheppard said last night.

"I know he's had a lot of good coaches come through there with him and I'm sure he's got some guys he's talking to.

"This is the fourth call I've gotten today and none of them has been from him. He's probably got his list together of how he's going to proceed through things."

 

[Rovers]

Keep in mind when an offense is as horrible as the Jets offense was the defense is going to normally look pretty bad also. Teams could get the lead and then just keep running the ball against them, no reason to pass when you are up with no offense on the other side to mount a comeback. I am not saying the defense doesn't have problems though.

Henderson's defense also gave up time consuming opening game scoring drives.... so, it wasn't just an issue with the offense. Did you see the game against KC? Word is Mangini is keeping Hiemerdinger. Whehter that os pemanent or not remains to be seen. He has two years left on his contract at well over 2 mil. When Denver's season is over, will they let Shannahan talk to him? I'm not sure.

It sounds like Mangini is putting a full court press on Westhoff to not only keep him (one year left on his contract) but to keep him happy if he stays.

 

[brednbuddah]

Keep in mind when an offense is as horrible as the Jets offense was the defense is going to normally look pretty bad also. Teams could get the lead and then just keep running the ball against them, no reason to pass when you are up with no offense on the other side to mount a comeback. I am not saying the defense doesn't have problems though.

Henderson's defense also gave up time consuming opening game scoring drives.... so, it wasn't just an issue with the offense. Did you see the game against KC? Word is Mangini is keeping Hiemerdinger. Whehter that os pemanent or not remains to be seen. He has two years left on his contract at well over 2 mil. When Denver's season is over, will they let Shannahan talk to him? I'm not sure.

It sounds like Mangini is putting a full court press on Westhoff to not only keep him (one year left on his contract) but to keep him happy if he stays.

rovers, where did you hear/read that mangini is looking to retain hiemerdinger? I find this a little odd as a) I don't think heimerdinger is going to be too comfortable taking orders from a 35 yr old., as I'm sure he feels he's could be a HC himself. not to mention mangini having to contend with any bitterness and b) heimerdinger now has an out of having to limit his offense for a damged goods QB that he's not too crazy about.

 

[Rovers]

Keep in mind when an offense is as horrible as the Jets offense was the defense is going to normally look pretty bad also.  Teams could get the lead and then just keep running the ball against them, no reason to pass when you are up with no offense on the other side to mount a comeback.  I am not saying the defense doesn't have problems though.

Henderson's defense also gave up time consuming opening game scoring drives.... so, it wasn't just an issue with the offense. Did you see the game against KC? Word is Mangini is keeping Hiemerdinger. Whehter that os pemanent or not remains to be seen. He has two years left on his contract at well over 2 mil. When Denver's season is over, will they let Shannahan talk to him? I'm not sure.

It sounds like Mangini is putting a full court press on Westhoff to not only keep him (one year left on his contract) but to keep him happy if he stays.

rovers, where did you hear/read that mangini is looking to retain hiemerdinger? I find this a little odd as a) I don't think heimerdinger is going to be too comfortable taking orders from a 35 yr old., as I'm sure he feels he's could be a HC himself. not to mention mangini having to contend with any bitterness and b) heimerdinger now has an out of having to limit his offense for a damged goods QB that he's not too crazy about.

Sorry, no link, but it's out there, Hiemerdinger is the OC, at least for now. He met with Mangini, and he's still in NY. What isn't known, and is my opinion, is that with 2.5 mil left on his contract, he isn't willing to quit unless he has a solid job offer, and the Jets won't fire him and have to pay him all that cash. My guess is he stays, Shannahan asks permission to talk to him once Denver's season is over, and Kubiak goes to Houston. Then, Dinger quits...... and Mangini brings in another OC. Hiemerdinger wants to be a HC. Staying in NY another year won't help him. Going to Denver will. But, until Denver is out of the playoffs (or win the whole thing) there won't be any movement.

 

[Bri]

Keep in mind when an offense is as horrible as the Jets offense was the defense is going to normally look pretty bad also.  Teams could get the lead and then just keep running the ball against them, no reason to pass when you are up with no offense on the other side to mount a comeback.  I am not saying the defense doesn't have problems though.

Henderson's defense also gave up time consuming opening game scoring drives.... so, it wasn't just an issue with the offense. Did you see the game against KC? Word is Mangini is keeping Hiemerdinger. Whehter that os pemanent or not remains to be seen. He has two years left on his contract at well over 2 mil. When Denver's season is over, will they let Shannahan talk to him? I'm not sure.

It sounds like Mangini is putting a full court press on Westhoff to not only keep him (one year left on his contract) but to keep him happy if he stays.

rovers, where did you hear/read that mangini is looking to retain hiemerdinger? I find this a little odd as a) I don't think heimerdinger is going to be too comfortable taking orders from a 35 yr old., as I'm sure he feels he's could be a HC himself. not to mention mangini having to contend with any bitterness and b) heimerdinger now has an out of having to limit his offense for a damged goods QB that he's not too crazy about.

Sorry, no link, but it's out there, Hiemerdinger is the OC, at least for now. He met with Mangini, and he's still in NY. What isn't known, and is my opinion, is that with 2.5 mil left on his contract, he isn't willing to quit unless he has a solid job offer, and the Jets won't fire him and have to pay him all that cash. My guess is he stays, Shannahan asks permission to talk to him once Denver's season is over, and Kubiak goes to Houston. Then, Dinger quits...... and Mangini brings in another OC. Hiemerdinger wants to be a HC. Staying in NY another year won't help him. Going to Denver will. But, until Denver is out of the playoffs (or win the whole thing) there won't be any movement.

I posted an article or two in the Mangini thread that seemed to disagree with ya. Curious if he stays. IIRC They had him going to Denver

 

[Kiddnets]

Jet Confidential is reporting that the JEts are keeping Dinger and he is not happy about it. He is locked up for 2 more years so there is nothing he can do. Speculation is that the Jets may be trying to get Denver to pick up the tab on his excessive salary. Could the JEts be holding out for compensation from Denver? Is that possible on an AC lateral move? Dinger can't simply quit and go to Denver - doubt the Jets want an unhappy OC. There has to be more to this story.

 

[Rovers]

Keep in mind when an offense is as horrible as the Jets offense was the defense is going to normally look pretty bad also.  Teams could get the lead and then just keep running the ball against them, no reason to pass when you are up with no offense on the other side to mount a comeback.  I am not saying the defense doesn't have problems though.

Henderson's defense also gave up time consuming opening game scoring drives.... so, it wasn't just an issue with the offense. Did you see the game against KC? Word is Mangini is keeping Hiemerdinger. Whehter that os pemanent or not remains to be seen. He has two years left on his contract at well over 2 mil. When Denver's season is over, will they let Shannahan talk to him? I'm not sure.

It sounds like Mangini is putting a full court press on Westhoff to not only keep him (one year left on his contract) but to keep him happy if he stays.

rovers, where did you hear/read that mangini is looking to retain hiemerdinger? I find this a little odd as a) I don't think heimerdinger is going to be too comfortable taking orders from a 35 yr old., as I'm sure he feels he's could be a HC himself. not to mention mangini having to contend with any bitterness and b) heimerdinger now has an out of having to limit his offense for a damged goods QB that he's not too crazy about.

Sorry, no link, but it's out there, Hiemerdinger is the OC, at least for now. He met with Mangini, and he's still in NY. What isn't known, and is my opinion, is that with 2.5 mil left on his contract, he isn't willing to quit unless he has a solid job offer, and the Jets won't fire him and have to pay him all that cash. My guess is he stays, Shannahan asks permission to talk to him once Denver's season is over, and Kubiak goes to Houston. Then, Dinger quits...... and Mangini brings in another OC. Hiemerdinger wants to be a HC. Staying in NY another year won't help him. Going to Denver will. But, until Denver is out of the playoffs (or win the whole thing) there won't be any movement.

I posted an article or two in the Mangini thread that seemed to disagree with ya. Curious if he stays. IIRC They had him going to Denver

If you read what I wrote, I am in agreement. It's a fact he has not been fired, but I am sure he ends up in Denver. Read bro, before disagreeing!

 

[Bri]

look at your first post, if I missed something sorry

 

[Payne]

Might Henderson be a possibility in Detroit?He does have ties to Herm, who has ties to Marinelli through the "Dungy tree".

 

[Reaper]

Jet Confidential is reporting that the JEts are keeping Dinger and he is not happy about it. He is locked up for 2 more years so there is nothing he can do. Speculation is that the Jets may be trying to get Denver to pick up the tab on his excessive salary.

Could the JEts be holding out for compensation from Denver? Is that possible on an AC lateral move? Dinger can't simply quit and go to Denver - doubt the Jets want an unhappy OC. There has to be more to this story.

UH OH.... Trouble in Jet Land.... For a change. And Things were going well for a day or 2.

 

[Reaper]

Oh.. And don't get me wrong about Henderson, I think he's a great coach - What he did last year was incredible and yeah, he could only go so far this year, I think he'll have a great career...Just needs to tone down his act - Sounds like he pissed off quite a few people and if he wants to be a HC, he'll need to be a bit more civil....Henderson was worlds better than Cotrell....I just don't think it was a huge loss for the Jets considering the direction they're trying to go and the fact that a defensive guy is the new HC. Some team will be lucky to get Henderson as their DC and eventually a HC.

 

[Kiddnets]

Jet Confidential is reporting that the JEts are keeping Dinger and he is not happy about it.  He is locked up for 2 more years so there is nothing he can do.  Speculation is that the Jets may be trying to get Denver to pick up the tab on his excessive salary. 

Could the JEts be holding out for compensation from Denver?  Is that possible on an AC lateral move?  Dinger can't simply quit and go to Denver - doubt the Jets want an unhappy OC.  There has to be more to this story.

UH OH.... Trouble in Jet Land.... For a change. And Things were going well for a day or 2.

Star Ledger this am confirms that the team will not let Dinger walk and he is furious. He is on the record saying that he came here for Herm and not Mangini. He clearly wants out. I hope the Jets have a plan here cause an unhappy OC is not a good thing when your HC is a defensive guy!

 

[zamboni]

Jet Confidential is reporting that the JEts are keeping Dinger and he is not happy about it.  He is locked up for 2 more years so there is nothing he can do.  Speculation is that the Jets may be trying to get Denver to pick up the tab on his excessive salary. 

Could the JEts be holding out for compensation from Denver?  Is that possible on an AC lateral move?  Dinger can't simply quit and go to Denver - doubt the Jets want an unhappy OC.  There has to be more to this story.

UH OH.... Trouble in Jet Land.... For a change. And Things were going well for a day or 2.

Star Ledger this am confirms that the team will not let Dinger walk and he is furious. He is on the record saying that he came here for Herm and not Mangini. He clearly wants out. I hope the Jets have a plan here cause an unhappy OC is not a good thing when your HC is a defensive guy!

I imagine something will give, and they'll inevitably let Dinger walk. Such acrimony won't fly with a team in rebuilding mode to begin with.The conspiracy theorist in me is wondering whether the Jets are trying to drag it out so that Denver finds another OC, and thus preventing Dinger from going to a conference rival.

 

[brednbuddah]

I imagine something will give, and they'll inevitably let Dinger walk. Such acrimony won't fly with a team in rebuilding mode to begin with.

The conspiracy theorist in me is wondering whether the Jets are trying to drag it out so that Denver finds another OC, and thus preventing Dinger from going to a conference rival.

If so, the Jets could also be shooting themselves in the foot by dragging it out. In the article I attached earlier in the thread, rumor has it Mangini wants Sheppard, ex-Saints OC. The longer they drag out Heimerdinger, the longer Sheppard stays out there for someone else. unless, (total speculation) mangini and sheppard have a verbal agreement behind the scenes.

 

[brednbuddah]

Might Henderson be a possibility in Detroit?

He does have ties to Herm, who has ties to Marinelli through the "Dungy tree".

wow, didn't know that. i guess you could tie anybody to any coach if you tried hard enough.anybody up for, 6 degrees of Vince Lomabardi?

 

[Payne]

Might Henderson be a possibility in Detroit?

He does have ties to Herm, who has ties to Marinelli through the "Dungy tree".

wow, didn't know that. i guess you could tie anybody to any coach if you tried hard enough.anybody up for, 6 degrees of Vince Lomabardi?

I believe Dungy brought Marinelli in to be DL coach when Herm was the DB coach.Capella or somebody might correct me if I'm wrong.

So they are part of the Dungy Tree that seems to be growing.

All I was saying is there are ties between them. So why not?

Didn't think I was trying too hard at all.

 

[Kiddnets]

I imagine something will give, and they'll inevitably let Dinger walk. Such acrimony won't fly with a team in rebuilding mode to begin with.

The conspiracy theorist in me is wondering whether the Jets are trying to drag it out so that Denver finds another OC, and thus preventing Dinger from going to a conference rival.

If so, the Jets could also be shooting themselves in the foot by dragging it out. In the article I attached earlier in the thread, rumor has it Mangini wants Sheppard, ex-Saints OC. The longer they drag out Heimerdinger, the longer Sheppard stays out there for someone else. unless, (total speculation) mangini and sheppard have a verbal agreement behind the scenes.

Could the JEts be trying to hold out Dinger for Comp? Can you get comp for an AC in a lateral move? Remember Denver strung out the JEts last year on the Putzier signing - payback?

 

[brednbuddah]

Might Henderson be a possibility in Detroit?

He does have ties to Herm, who has ties to Marinelli through the "Dungy tree".

wow, didn't know that. i guess you could tie anybody to any coach if you tried hard enough.anybody up for, 6 degrees of Vince Lomabardi?

I believe Dungy brought Marinelli in to be DL coach when Herm was the DB coach.Capella or somebody might correct me if I'm wrong.

So they are part of the Dungy Tree that seems to be growing.

All I was saying is there are ties between them. So why not?

Didn't think I was trying too hard at all.

no disrespect bro. i was just trying to be funny. I never knew the connection between marinelli and herm.

 

[Bri]

Jet Confidential is reporting that the JEts are keeping Dinger and he is not happy about it. He is locked up for 2 more years so there is nothing he can do. Speculation is that the Jets may be trying to get Denver to pick up the tab on his excessive salary.

Could the JEts be holding out for compensation from Denver? Is that possible on an AC lateral move? Dinger can't simply quit and go to Denver - doubt the Jets want an unhappy OC. There has to be more to this story.

A coach can only leave to be promoted. Alot of teams created "assistant head coach" as workaround to this rule and BB had both Payton and Carthon as his offensive cooridinators pushing the rule even further. (I think one was running game cooridinator and the other was passing game cooridinator)Anyhow, Broncos can spare a pick for him IMO he's surely worth that. Shanny likes the TE, Dinger loves em' and well I'd be especially interested to see the offense those two come up with.

 

[Rovers]

This is playing out the way I thought (and said) it would. I am just surprised, and a bit PO'd that Heimerdinger went to the press. He knows what the deal is, but he wants to be fired so he can pocket his 2.25 million dollars. It's darn near extortion. He'll land in Denver, but if I'm Woody Johnson, I'll be damned if he walks off with stealing 2 million bucks from me first.

 

[brednbuddah]

This is playing out the way I thought (and said) it would. I am just surprised, and a bit PO'd that Heimerdinger went to the press. He knows what the deal is, but he wants to be fired so he can pocket his 2.25 million dollars. It's darn near extortion. He'll land in Denver, but if I'm Woody Johnson, I'll be damned if he walks off with stealing 2 million bucks from me first.

exactly. mike francessa (wfan) just speculated on his nfl now show this morning, that mangini is just playing along. heimerdinger will not be with the jets next season. he's just using the media as a platform to get fired and collect. francessa further speculated that bill sheppard or chris palmer will be the jets' OC next year.

 

[zamboni]

With Kubiak poised to take over in Houston, we may see this all play out this week, including Dinger perhaps replacing Kubiak.

 

[Kiddnets]

This will resolve one way or another in the next few days. Sounds like Palmer is in place for when/if Dinger leaves. I know that his offense stunk in Houston but he has a good background - think he would help a young coach like Mangini.