hoofnstang
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Will CMart get the starting role by defualt, what's Cedrick Houston like? Who is going to be the man this year and in the years to come?
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I'm not even a Jets homer... or sober for that matter...But Martin has to be the guy. Too much respect from his peers and the coaching staff. Until he fails miserably (perhaps this year), he won't lose a starting job.
Better question is who's the #2. Probly won't know until the end of training camp, if not the end of the preseason.
My guess...
RB1 Martin
RB2 Houston
RB3 Blaylock
RB4 Washington
RB5 Moore (if he makes the roster... he'll have to be damn good on STs)
Even if Martin isn't all that good, I expect him to be on the field for at least 40% of the plays. If he's good, I don't see him getting more than 60%. That's a broad range (and my numbers might be inexact, but you get the idea), but even at the top end he's not going to be great. A good value in the 5th or 6th.
After Martin I think it's anybody's game. Lots of people are writing off Derrick Blaylock, but he was injured last year, and hardly played. With a moderate-size contract, the team will not write him off just yet.
Houston needs to continue working on his conditioning, but he looks like he could play short yardage, and has been a pleasant receiver out of the backfield.
So basically, I see a serious RBBC here, and we haven't even covered all the rookies on the roster. My favorite value play is Derrick Blaylock in like the last round.
After Martin I think it's anybody's game. Lots of people are writing off Derrick Blaylock, but he was injured last year, and hardly played. With a moderate-size contract, the team will not write him off just yet.
Houston needs to continue working on his conditioning, but he looks like he could play short yardage, and has been a pleasant receiver out of the backfield.
So basically, I see a serious RBBC here, and we haven't even covered all the rookies on the roster. My favorite value play is Derrick Blaylock in like the last round.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Jet's homers-
Who's going to be in the backfield?
Pennington. Six feet under.
But seriously, they drafted two lineman #1 sowho knows? Love me some Brick.
Who's going to be in the backfield?
Pennington. Six feet under.
But seriously, they drafted two lineman #1 sowho knows? Love me some Brick.
Rovers
Footballguy
This is a very tough call at this point in time. Martin is certainly the most likely to get the most touches. Houston showed he has the ability to run between the tackles at the end of last year, he's easilly the best of the group in terms of power running... he can break tackles, but isn't fast or elusive. Blaylock and Washington appear to be very similar RB's. Both fast and smallish. Both seem to be third down RB's.
Blaylock will not be cut due the way his contract is structured, but if they like Washington, there is a small chance Blaylock could be traded.
The Jets O line will be better, especially in pass protection, but none of the rookies or FA's are known for their run blocking. One big improvement will be the return of Kendall to the LG spot.... he was awful at center. Exactly when and even where Mangold plays is up in the air, with the addition of Teague, the Bills' strarting center in 2005. Teague can play T, but isn't a good run blocker. Adrian Jones will return to RT, and could start, but again, he isn't a great run blocker. Ferguson also isn't an accomplished run blocker, but could become one at LT. Mangold could get a look at RG. The return of TE Chris Baker should help the run blocking as well, but only marginally.
Blaylock will not be cut due the way his contract is structured, but if they like Washington, there is a small chance Blaylock could be traded.
The Jets O line will be better, especially in pass protection, but none of the rookies or FA's are known for their run blocking. One big improvement will be the return of Kendall to the LG spot.... he was awful at center. Exactly when and even where Mangold plays is up in the air, with the addition of Teague, the Bills' strarting center in 2005. Teague can play T, but isn't a good run blocker. Adrian Jones will return to RT, and could start, but again, he isn't a great run blocker. Ferguson also isn't an accomplished run blocker, but could become one at LT. Mangold could get a look at RG. The return of TE Chris Baker should help the run blocking as well, but only marginally.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
Martin: Starter
Houston: GL/short yardage
Blaylock: 3rd downs
Houston: GL/short yardage
Blaylock: 3rd downs
B Maverick
Footballguy
I agree with this. Leon Washington is a 3rd down back and not much more then Blaylock.The one to watch out for is DonTrell Moore. Expert rankings had him as high as the #5 RB in the draft. Not sure why he went undrafted (competition at NM meaybe?) but he has the skills and could be a sleeper.
cstu
Footballguy
I actually had Moore as a sleeper and was surprised he didn't get drafted. I didn't like that the Jets signed him since he'll have to work his way past a lot of RB's including another rookie who they actually drafted. Last year was his first back from a torn ACL and he ran a disappointing 4.6 at the combine. He's not a big back (5-10, 208) but if he can get his speed back he could be good in the NFL. He has decent hands and was productive in college.
Dope
Footballguy
I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but why the hate on Leon Washington?
Leon 5'9" 202
Tiki 5'10 195
Priest 5'9" 205
Emmitt 5'9" 207
So obviously he's not "too small".
He seems pretty quick.
I dunno. Just seems like a sleeper in a dynasty league. Funnier things have happened...just ask Samkon Gado owners.
Leon 5'9" 202
Tiki 5'10 195
Priest 5'9" 205
Emmitt 5'9" 207
So obviously he's not "too small".
He seems pretty quick.
I dunno. Just seems like a sleeper in a dynasty league. Funnier things have happened...just ask Samkon Gado owners.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Leon is interesting. There wasn't much opportunity for him at FSU, but he has a pretty complete game. He hits the hole very fast and very hard. I don't think DonTrell has the juice for the NFL, btw. I wouldn't expect much from Leon this year, probably a few exciting plays where he breaks something, but down the road he could turn into a primary option while always having a short yardage specialist to help him out. Maybe.
Rovers
Footballguy
This doesn't sound so good, from today's press conference from mini-camp:
Notes: The Jets’ Rookie Camp will conclude following one Sunday workout. There will be no media availability on Sunday… Mangini continues to emphasize flexibility, in regards to both schemes and players… D’Brickashaw Ferguson, the team’s new left tackle, has been impressive in the classroom. “I like the way that he learns,” said Mangini. “Just sitting in the classroom a little bit with those guys, I like that he's very mature, he's focused. He takes a very businesslike approach to this, which is something that we liked about him prior to the draft, and now seeing that, it's a positive.”… Curtis Martin, who underwent arthroscopic knee surgery last December, is continuing his rehabilitation. “We have a program in place for him,” said Mangini. “So he's making as much progress as he can, and as soon as he's ready to go, we'll let you know.”
Martin isn't ready to go now? I've seen unconfirmed reports he's running stairs, but this doesn't sound very good.
Notes: The Jets’ Rookie Camp will conclude following one Sunday workout. There will be no media availability on Sunday… Mangini continues to emphasize flexibility, in regards to both schemes and players… D’Brickashaw Ferguson, the team’s new left tackle, has been impressive in the classroom. “I like the way that he learns,” said Mangini. “Just sitting in the classroom a little bit with those guys, I like that he's very mature, he's focused. He takes a very businesslike approach to this, which is something that we liked about him prior to the draft, and now seeing that, it's a positive.”… Curtis Martin, who underwent arthroscopic knee surgery last December, is continuing his rehabilitation. “We have a program in place for him,” said Mangini. “So he's making as much progress as he can, and as soon as he's ready to go, we'll let you know.”
Martin isn't ready to go now? I've seen unconfirmed reports he's running stairs, but this doesn't sound very good.
thanks for the article
Blaylock is better than most here are giving him credit for. Houston did OK for a rook last year and I don't think that'll be discounted. To me he wasn't the "homerun" threat most teams covet at RB and was somewhat average at a star position. Blaylock's speed/slashing ability can impress and he could win this job with a couple of sweet preseason performances.
Martin is in the mentor role this year. As a Martin fan, I've come to accept this. While it may not be true, as someone always barking that he wasn't "done" and people should back off as he led the league in rushing not long ago etc. I think it's a little meaningful that me and alot of other Martin fans have also seemed to accept this. For that odd reason I'm pretty confident Martin is the #2 RB this year.
Washington's clippings+ draft preview stuff read like a practice squad player to me. Jets also had a small RB named Little John Flowers last year that did well in NFLE and had a nose for the endzone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's invited back for camp and the two little guys battle it out.
Martin is in the mentor role this year. As a Martin fan, I've come to accept this. While it may not be true, as someone always barking that he wasn't "done" and people should back off as he led the league in rushing not long ago etc. I think it's a little meaningful that me and alot of other Martin fans have also seemed to accept this. For that odd reason I'm pretty confident Martin is the #2 RB this year.
Washington's clippings+ draft preview stuff read like a practice squad player to me. Jets also had a small RB named Little John Flowers last year that did well in NFLE and had a nose for the endzone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's invited back for camp and the two little guys battle it out.
The Mechanic
Footballguy
Little John Flowers, now that's a football name ! I will surely remember this name and keep taps on this. TKS. Bri
Rovers
Footballguy
I think Little John is done.... NFLE is usually the last stop before the CFL. Houston isn't a home run threat, but neither is Martin. Since the Jets used an early 4th round pick on Washinton, I think it's unlikely he doesn't make the team. Anyone remember a small Jet RB named Bruce Harper? I think that's Washington's potential upside. My gut feel is that Martin starts.... I just don't think Blaylock or Washigton could hold up to a full load. I still see RBBC, but if Martin get s hurt, I think the majority of carries will go to Houston.
little john could very well be done, I was only saying that I figured he'd get invited for a tryout. I think that's realistic for anyone that looked good the previous year but didn't quite make it. Your NFLE characterization isn't fair for him. NFLE pretty much buys players a look in preseason. For most, that's it. There's 80-90 players in camp and it's hard for some of the lesser guys to get "a look" from the staff. NFLE just bought them one quick moment. If they do well, they'll get another. If not...well, anyway nonetheless I think he'll get a tryout invite.I agree Martin wasn't a homerun threat but this is tricky for me. Martin (young Martin) was a lock for 1000 yards and pro bowl caliber production so that counterred the negative of the "not a home run threat" stigma. I think not being a homerun threat is held against Houston. I'm not sure why but in news clippings or whatever I get that feeling. I mean, why haven't the Jets commanded him the RB of the future? That's typical in football when a rook has a few good games. Granted it's overreacting but the fact that it didn't happen makes me wonder. Do you disagree with me here Rovers? Know what I mean?
I'm thinking of putting Blaylock's KC stats in my sig. Ya know when he was Priest's primary backup, not LJ?
It's shocking to me how his injury has made him "fall off the face of the earth" in the football world.
happy_donut
Footballguy
agreed. blaylock is someone to stash away or pick up late. he's got skills and can catch, which may make him sound like a 3rd down back to some people, but wasn't it just 2 years or so ago that both he and priest had 100+ yds in the same game?edited because i apparently don't know how to quote.I'm thinking of putting Blaylock's KC stats in my sig. Ya know when he was Priest's primary backup, not LJ?
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Rovers
Footballguy
Bri, valid points. I think Little John will get an invite, but I beleive he's no longer taxi squad elligable. That really hurts his chanes with Martin, Blaylock, Houston, Washington and Moore. On Houston.... first, this new CS hasn't seen him on their own practice field. They have game tapes of him in limited action and that's it. I saw him up close at training camp last year. At that point, I think they were still working on getting his meds right for that thyroid condition. I am left to guess, but I think it took them 6 months to get that under control. Towards the end of the year, he looked faster and stronger. He has just enough speed to run outside, but his game is as an up the middle and off tackle power runner. The Jets O line couldn't block my grandma last year, and she died a long time ago. So, Houston's strength was working against the Jets' biggest weakness.... up the middle run blocking. (Yes, that was even worse than the pass blocking was last year)little john could very well be done, I was only saying that I figured he'd get invited for a tryout. I think that's realistic for anyone that looked good the previous year but didn't quite make it. Your NFLE characterization isn't fair for him. NFLE pretty much buys players a look in preseason. For most, that's it. There's 80-90 players in camp and it's hard for some of the lesser guys to get "a look" from the staff. NFLE just bought them one quick moment. If they do well, they'll get another. If not...well, anyway nonetheless I think he'll get a tryout invite.I agree Martin wasn't a homerun threat but this is tricky for me. Martin (young Martin) was a lock for 1000 yards and pro bowl caliber production so that counterred the negative of the "not a home run threat" stigma. I think not being a homerun threat is held against Houston. I'm not sure why but in news clippings or whatever I get that feeling. I mean, why haven't the Jets commanded him the RB of the future? That's typical in football when a rook has a few good games. Granted it's overreacting but the fact that it didn't happen makes me wonder. Do you disagree with me here Rovers? Know what I mean?
I'm thinking of putting Blaylock's KC stats in my sig. Ya know when he was Priest's primary backup, not LJ?
We also don't know what this offense will look like. Will Schotty light try to install the SD offense? Although the run blocking will be improved, it still won't be a unit that can move the pile. Houston can get tough yards.... he doesn't go down at first contact, and can break tackles. This O line is smallish, but pretty fast and athletic. Will they look to pull and run outside, screens, etc? If they do, that isn't Houston's strength again. I see him as a five yards and a cloud of dust guy, but he can rip off those 20-25 yard runs too. On the field, he and Jordan look to be about as fast as each other.
For those pimping Balylock, didn't he get hurt after three games filling in for Holmes full time in KC too? Then LJ started to get some carries? That's the way I remember that, but I could be wrong. Washington, from what I see, is a lot like Blaylock. Fast, not very durable, but a potential home run threat.
Untill I can see some training camp action, I really can't say how I think it wll all fall out. Even then, without some preseason games, it's a crapshoot.
We don't know what kind of offense the Jets will run, what the run-pass mix will be, a short WC-modified short passing game, or more wide open? I doubt this CS even knows yet, they still have to figure out who the QB will be. It may even be mid-season before they understand what this combination of players does best.
Even as a Jets' homer, I would not touch any Jets RB until the 5th this year, at least as the whole situation stands now.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Good post Bri and I glad someone brought this up. Afterall they traded for Blaylock so they would have someone to take over for Martin when he was done. I would think he's still that guy. Maybe they have know more about Houston than before but I don't think Houston lit it up so much that they're going to bail on Blaylock either.
Rovers
Footballguy
I have to disagree, strongly. I don't think Blaylock was ever earmarked as Martin's replacement, even under the old regime.... and certainly not under this one. He was brought in for depth, some third downs, and spot duty. So, it isn't a question of bailing on Blaylock at all. He will still be a change of pace, thrid down depth guy, who can carry the load for 2 or 3 weeks. He will be on the team, but beyond that, I have my doubts. His contract makes him uncutable this year, but Washington is a very similar player, and much cheaper beyond 2006. Houston's emergence at the end of last season is not good news for Blaylock owners. If Washington works out, Blaylock is very expendable after this season. I've seen him up close.... he goes down on first contact, but he's elusive. I'm not talking Reggie Bush elusive though.... I think Blaylock os custom made for a zone blocking offense.... and the Jets won't use zone after the failed one year experiment with it.
Here's my thoughts on RBBC for the Jets:
I agree with most of you that all the Jets backs might not be able to carry the team for a full season at 20 carries a game(even the great Curtis might be too old to do so).
I don't agree with RBBC and never have. IMO they should let Houston or Blaylock be the sleddog that carries the team and see what happens. One might be able to take it and surprise ya. As was said, Blaylock carried the load for a few games for KC and Houston for a handful last year for the Jets. Can they do more? Jets should find out.
Bush's clippings seem like some think he can't be a sleddog if need be. Faulk likely wasn't as a rook. Tiki wasn't expected to be able to do so for like 3-4 years in the pros til he finally did. IIRC Rudi probably had a similar writeup as Houston. Could probably go on and on here. Find out if you've got a good RB or if you've just got alot of depth and no true starter. Find out now, when you have one of the most durable backs of all time to teach the guy how to take a hit, how to keep his body in shape for the long haul etc. Curtis is also very disciplinned in blocking, not fumbling often, and not running out of bounds when you shouldn't etc. The Jets have to use Curtis to mentor these youngsters.
RBBC would get them nowhere and they'd be in this very same position next year.
I agree with most of you that all the Jets backs might not be able to carry the team for a full season at 20 carries a game(even the great Curtis might be too old to do so).
I don't agree with RBBC and never have. IMO they should let Houston or Blaylock be the sleddog that carries the team and see what happens. One might be able to take it and surprise ya. As was said, Blaylock carried the load for a few games for KC and Houston for a handful last year for the Jets. Can they do more? Jets should find out.
Bush's clippings seem like some think he can't be a sleddog if need be. Faulk likely wasn't as a rook. Tiki wasn't expected to be able to do so for like 3-4 years in the pros til he finally did. IIRC Rudi probably had a similar writeup as Houston. Could probably go on and on here. Find out if you've got a good RB or if you've just got alot of depth and no true starter. Find out now, when you have one of the most durable backs of all time to teach the guy how to take a hit, how to keep his body in shape for the long haul etc. Curtis is also very disciplinned in blocking, not fumbling often, and not running out of bounds when you shouldn't etc. The Jets have to use Curtis to mentor these youngsters.
RBBC would get them nowhere and they'd be in this very same position next year.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Thanks for correcting me on that. You are right. Here was some news at the time:
To me it sounds like he was acquired to replace Jordan who was going to replace Martin. So therefore, Blaylock is the heir apparent. Of course anything can happen.Many folks are high on Houston because he came out of no where and did ok. But let's put this in perspective. His YPC was only 3.7. That's not exactly eye popping. Nor is it the type of performance the Jets are hoping for. Granted, Martin was only 3.3 which is likely due to the lack of a passing game rather than they forgot how to block. But adding Ferguson & Mangold will no doubt help on both issues.
But at the end of the day I think you have agree that Blaylock is not only in the mix but probably the leading candidate right now.
Here's the guy I like to step up & compete for the starting job. I've watched this guy play all 4 of his years, and his senior numbers are coming off of a knee injury. He is one of 6 RBs in NCAA Div I history to gain 1000+ yds rushing in each of his 4 years of play.
The guy isn't sexy, but he is hard nosed, and more importantly he can just flat out play the game. Best of all, you can get him very late in drafts - which makes his risk/reward ratio very desirable, IMO.
To be honest, he reminds an awful lot of Curtis Martin. I know, I know, he may not even make the team, but his skill set fits the slot of the guy being replaced so well, I'd find it hard to believe he won't get consideration.
Dontrell Moore 5'-10" 210 lbs
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Numbers: During his senior season he led the club in rushing with 1298 yards on 275 carries for an excellent 4.7 yards-per-carry average and 14 TDs. He caught 31 passes for 371 yards and three TDs. At the Combine, he ran a 4.63 in the 40 with 18 reps in lifting, a 32-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot, 6-inch broad jump.
Skinny: Though not considered among the high-profile runners, he has the the talent to progress as a pro. A punishing back with the toughness to surprise in the NFL and win a starting role. Will likely hear his name called in the fourth round.
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He does bring tremendous intelligence, instincts and football intangibles to the table, which combine with his quick feet so that he can make tacklers miss, and slip and slide his way to more yards than you would expect. An added bonus is Moore's ability to be a very good pass blocker when used in passing situations.
Career: 48 games
1028 rushes 4973 yds rushing 51 rush TDs
92 catches 857 yds receiving 8 rec TDs
1120 touches 5830 total yds 59 total TDs
By comparison, here are DeAngelo Williams' vitals:
DeAngelo Williams 5'-9" 214 lbs
Career: 44 games
969 rushes 6026 yds rushing 55 rush TDs
70 catches 723 yds receiving 5 rec TDs
1039 touches 6749 total yds 60 total TDs
The guy isn't sexy, but he is hard nosed, and more importantly he can just flat out play the game. Best of all, you can get him very late in drafts - which makes his risk/reward ratio very desirable, IMO.
To be honest, he reminds an awful lot of Curtis Martin. I know, I know, he may not even make the team, but his skill set fits the slot of the guy being replaced so well, I'd find it hard to believe he won't get consideration.
Dontrell Moore 5'-10" 210 lbs
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Numbers: During his senior season he led the club in rushing with 1298 yards on 275 carries for an excellent 4.7 yards-per-carry average and 14 TDs. He caught 31 passes for 371 yards and three TDs. At the Combine, he ran a 4.63 in the 40 with 18 reps in lifting, a 32-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot, 6-inch broad jump.
Skinny: Though not considered among the high-profile runners, he has the the talent to progress as a pro. A punishing back with the toughness to surprise in the NFL and win a starting role. Will likely hear his name called in the fourth round.
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He does bring tremendous intelligence, instincts and football intangibles to the table, which combine with his quick feet so that he can make tacklers miss, and slip and slide his way to more yards than you would expect. An added bonus is Moore's ability to be a very good pass blocker when used in passing situations.
Career: 48 games
1028 rushes 4973 yds rushing 51 rush TDs
92 catches 857 yds receiving 8 rec TDs
1120 touches 5830 total yds 59 total TDs
By comparison, here are DeAngelo Williams' vitals:
DeAngelo Williams 5'-9" 214 lbs
Career: 44 games
969 rushes 6026 yds rushing 55 rush TDs
70 catches 723 yds receiving 5 rec TDs
1039 touches 6749 total yds 60 total TDs
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was surprised he went undrafted, as he was highly touted among some draft experts and was prominently mentioned along the second tier backs like Calhoun, Norwood, etc.I think he has more of a chance to be the Jets futur back than fourth round draft choice Washington, who will be a thrid down back at best (and with Blaylock around even that is questionable).
I was shocked that only 14 RBs were drafted, while we watched a glut of D-line & DBs go early on. Guys like Bell & Moore should have been on someone's radar in the 6th/7th rounds, IMO. I think there is a perception in the NFL right now that the league is loaded with capable RBs, so RB has the appearance of an overstocked position, and not many teams see it as a position of vital need.I also expect Blaylock & Washington to be 3rd down RBs. For all of Blaylock's fanfare, he was only a spot starter in an ideal situation for a RB his size at KC. He reminds me a lot of Canidate with the Rams - ideal size/speed combo for the line & O being run, but on another team that is more norm/conventional he'll struggle mightily trying to assume a full time role. Washington is plain & simple a smurf & not a legit threat to be a featured RB. Moore just has an all-around skill set that separates him from these two, and he's certainly a better all-around RB than Houston is.We'll see. It's still a long, long road for a UDFA to even make the team, much less compete for starting minutes.
I largely agree with you, and I think we're getting caught up in semantics.Still, I'm having issues with the Blaylock contract. $11.1 million with a $3.2 million signing bonus is how it's reported. That would mean $11.1 - $3.2 = $7.9 million in base salaries over five years. But if you go to Blaylock's NFLPA info you see that his salaries add up to a total of only $3.8 million. That's $4.1 million short of what I thought his salary is, and it significantly changes my opinion on him.
In any case, I thought that the Jets signed Blaylock to be the backup to Martin, and to potentially compete for the starting job once Martin was ready to hang it up. It's not clear to me that Martin is ready for that, and it's also not clear to me that Blaylock is the most talented back ont he roster. So I think he will compete, and could win the starting job, but I wouldn't bet much on it. I think I'd draft Houston ahead of Blaylock in a redraft, but if I were to take any gamble on a NYJ RB, I'd probably try for Blaylock in one of the last rounds rather than Houston a bit earlier.
Rovers
Footballguy
Houston didn't really come out of nowhere... after his junior season, he was projected as a second round RB. It was during his senior season that the thyroid condition severely limited his strength and stamina.... and was undiagnosed.The thyroid condition was finally diagnosed sometime before the draft.... the combine, maybe? This disease is very treatable, but it did cause him to drop to the sixth round where the Jets took him. I know for a fact that during the preseason they were still trying to find the right combination of meds to normalize his blood tests. It isn't unusual for the doctors to take time in finding the right meds for each individual.
I believe it wasn't until about mid-season that he was back to normal. I saw an increase in his speed and power, it was very noticable. His YPC may not look good, but he looked good. You have to remember JUST how bad the Jets O line was last year. Bollinger was getting sacked on 3 step drops. Kendall had no clue what he was doing at center, Scott Grag was putrid at LG, Jones was trying to learn LT, Fabini was playing on one knee at RT. Gale Sayers would have had a poor YPC behind that line. As a result, the Jets ran outside much more than they ran inside, where Houston is at his best. Despite that, he still ran pretty well outside. He was definitely faster than he was in TC.
We can guess all we want, and I have my favotites in this group, but we have no clue what the Jets CS thinks of them yet, or what skill set will work in whatever offense they want to run.
So, these are the reasons I like Houston.... btw, he is out of the hard cast on his wrist, and has a partial plastic on it now. He was quoted as saying he'll be ready to participate in all the mini camps for vets. The wrist should be a non-issue.
An additional note.... Washington was the team captain in college. That stuff goes a long way with this FO..... 5 of the 10 players the Jets drafted were team captains in college.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Good post Rovers. I would not be surprised if Houston becomes the man after Martin. I like him too. It just seemed people were forgetting about Blaylock. He's pretty good too. Either of these guys or even Washington wouldn't surprise me but I do like Blaylock based on everything I've seen and know.
As for the running game, that will get better when they get a NFL QB starting. When Bollinger was the QB the Jets were in serious trouble and every D knew it. They weren't about to let the running game get untracked in what was a 1 deminsional offense. And Bollinger was helpless to take advantage.
As for the running game, that will get better when they get a NFL QB starting. When Bollinger was the QB the Jets were in serious trouble and every D knew it. They weren't about to let the running game get untracked in what was a 1 deminsional offense. And Bollinger was helpless to take advantage.
Warhogs
Footballguy
My thinking is that Martin will get a lot of carries this season but the Jets will also split up a fair share of carries with the other RBs to determine what they have. I would think there is a high percentage chance that none of these guys will be the Jets main ballcarrier in 2007. There is a high percent chance that they will either draft/trade/sign for their main ballcarrier in 2007.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I don't follow the Jets very closely but there are two things getting glossed over a bit in this thread by some Jets homers.
1. This is a new regime. Very often new people want their people on the field for whatever reason. Blaylock and Houston have both looked okay at times but they are in a position of having to prove themselves all over again.
2. If things were as peachy in the Jets backfield as some posting here would suggest, why did they draft Washington in the 4th with some big name talent left on the board? I'd have to think that they see Washington as more than a guy that might one day be an okay third down back. They passed on some very good prospects to take Washington. I'm guessing the new regime has more questions about the backfield than some fans do.
Blaylock looked good running behind the KC O-line but so does everyone else. Tony Richardson at times looked like he could be a featured back behind that line. I saw Houston play a good deal in college and his 3.7 YPC doesn't surprise me. It just seems weird that Jets fans are talking about guys that averaged 3.1 and 3.7 YPC last season like there's no way they get beat out.
1. This is a new regime. Very often new people want their people on the field for whatever reason. Blaylock and Houston have both looked okay at times but they are in a position of having to prove themselves all over again.
2. If things were as peachy in the Jets backfield as some posting here would suggest, why did they draft Washington in the 4th with some big name talent left on the board? I'd have to think that they see Washington as more than a guy that might one day be an okay third down back. They passed on some very good prospects to take Washington. I'm guessing the new regime has more questions about the backfield than some fans do.
Blaylock looked good running behind the KC O-line but so does everyone else. Tony Richardson at times looked like he could be a featured back behind that line. I saw Houston play a good deal in college and his 3.7 YPC doesn't surprise me. It just seems weird that Jets fans are talking about guys that averaged 3.1 and 3.7 YPC last season like there's no way they get beat out.
B Maverick
Footballguy
While I agree with #1 i dont with #2. Depth. Plain and simple. Depth. Look at Carolina. Not saying anyone in NY is as fragile as Foster, but Carolina has been to their last RB too often. Esp at the rb position. Washington can also do PR/KR with his speed. Washington is a guy who could surprise but Houston and Moore may be able to beat him out. And if Blaylock gets hurt AGAIN, then Washington can fill that role too.
Family Matters
Footballguy
I never really thought so. But just because you see that it doesn't lend itself to them getting the same results. Didn't Candidate get injured and then was never the same? This will probably be a turning point year for Blaylock as he could put himself in a better position to take over or get overrun by Houston.
toxicbees
Footballguy
I saw Houston play last year and he really didn't impress me at all. His running style sort of reminded me of Kevan Barlow or Zack Crockett. He doesn't have speed to the outside, and he just sort of runs right into the middle and tries to fall forward. I do think he'd make a great goalline back though.
Rovers
Footballguy
Why did they draft Washington? They liked him. That may sound a little over simplified, even borderline silly, but it's the truth. The new regime drafted character, leadership, intelligence and work ethic over talent, really, almost to a fault. THIS is why they decided, in the end to go with Ferguson at 4 overall. From every intangable, smarts, character, work ethic.... they loved Ferguson. Leinart was never going to be taken by this FO. The Hollywood tag....Look at the QB they did decide on.... and compare his intangables to Leinart. They took a humble, hard working kid who had to deal with adversity, and grew up on a working farm.
I don't think any Jets fan, or FF guy is "in love" with any of the Jets' RB's, except for Martin, who is heading into what is most likely his last productive year in the NFL. I think Houston deserves a shot... as does Blaylock and even Washington. One thing about Mangini.... he will play the guy(s) he thinks are the best player(s). Even he doesn't know who that is yet in his evaluations at RB so far. Personally, I think the next Jets feature RB is still in college. Maybe.... Adrian Peterson?
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