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Jets seeking Pennington renegotiation (1 Viewer)

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Jets seek Pennington renegotiation:

NEW YORK (AP) -- The New York Jets are attempting to renegotiate the contract of quarterback Chad Pennington, who missed much of the last two seasons because of an injured throwing shoulder.

These are more than routine steps to get under the salary cap by March 3, the first day of free agency, a person familiar with the talks told The Associated Press on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity because negotiations are ongoing. Rather, they are related to the right shoulder injury and questions of whether Pennington's arm will return to full strength.

The Jets will not comment.

Pennington signed a $64 million, seven-year deal two years ago. He is expected to have a salary cap number close to $12 million this season, including a $3 million roster bonus due in March. Even if the Jets cut him, they would take a salary hit of about $10 million because of the prorated salary cap.

Complicating the issue is the lack of an extension to the league's collective bargaining agreement with the players' union. The contract expires in 2008, but 2007 would be an uncapped season, leaving questions about the length and size of deals with free agents.

Pennington hurt his shoulder during the 2004 season, missed three games, then returned for the end of the regular season and into the playoffs. It was clear then that his arm strength was significantly reduced and after the season the team said he would have rotator cuff surgery.

He returned this year but was injured in the third game of the season and again had surgery, missing the rest of the season. The team's problems were compounded when Jay Fiedler, acquired as insurance in the offseason, was injured seven plays after Pennington and also was lost for the season.

That left the Jets with third-stringer Brooks Bollinger and 42-year-old Vinny Testaverde, and the team finished 4-12. After the season, coach Herman Edwards left for Kansas City and Mike Tannenbaum replaced general manager Terry Bradway.
 
Wait til Chad wakes up tomorrow morning and sees the contract that Arizona just awarded to the injuring-plagued and aging Kurt Warner.

 
While Cassel develops, he can be the Pats backup. He's smart and very accurate. If his arm is "shot" they've got two TEs that can get it done.

I don't think there's alot of good backup QBs in the NFL today. I'd bet there's a good market for him as a part timer and not as a starter. Roughly 1200 pass attempts 30 INTs and a 65% completion percentage is pretty sweet for a backup. I think most teams just want a backup that won't cost them the game with a mistake.

 
While Cassel develops, he can be the Pats backup. He's smart and very accurate. If his arm is "shot" they've got two TEs that can get it done.

I don't think there's alot of good backup QBs in the NFL today. I'd bet there's a good market for him as a part timer and not as a starter. Roughly 1200 pass attempts 30 INTs and a 65% completion percentage is pretty sweet for a backup. I think most teams just want a backup that won't cost them the game with a mistake.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=225175
 
While Cassel develops, he can be the Pats backup. He's smart and very accurate. If his arm is "shot" they've got two TEs that can get it done.

I don't think there's alot of good backup QBs in the NFL today. I'd bet there's a good market for him as a part timer and not as a starter. Roughly 1200 pass attempts 30 INTs and a 65% completion percentage is pretty sweet for a backup. I think most teams just want a backup that won't cost them the game with a mistake.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=225175
?What are you referring to the Rich Cimini article in that thread? Rich's opinion is that Pennington won't want to start over somewhere. Mine isn't. Some people don't react kindly to taking a pay cut. Some just think it's time for a change. We'll see

 
While Cassel develops, he can be the Pats backup. He's smart and very accurate. If his arm is "shot" they've got two TEs that can get it done.

I don't think there's alot of good backup QBs in the NFL today. I'd bet there's a good market for him as a part timer and not as a starter. Roughly 1200 pass attempts 30 INTs and a 65% completion percentage is pretty sweet for a backup. I think most teams just want a backup that won't cost them the game with a mistake.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=225175
?What are you referring to the Rich Cimini article in that thread? Rich's opinion is that Pennington won't want to start over somewhere. Mine isn't. Some people don't react kindly to taking a pay cut. Some just think it's time for a change. We'll see
My apologies for being vague, I have to agree with you, taking a pay cut is one thing, but chopping off THAT much of is a little ridiculous. A change of scenery would be a blessing for Pennington, to re-establish himself with another team with a decent offensive line and worthy WR's, sure I can see Pennington back in the ranks of fine fantasy/real life field generals. My only concern is his shoulder if it will ever be the same (as is everyone else's).
 
Wait til Chad wakes up tomorrow morning and sees the contract that Arizona just awarded to the injuring-plagued and aging Kurt Warner.
The aging and injury plagued Kurt Warner has done better than Pennington. Plus, he doesn't have an arm which, although not exactly spaghetti, is closer to fettucine.
 
Wait til Chad wakes up tomorrow morning and sees the contract that Arizona just awarded to the injuring-plagued and aging Kurt Warner.
The aging and injury plagued Kurt Warner has done better than Pennington. Plus, he doesn't have an arm which, although not exactly spaghetti, is closer to fettucine.
Since start of 2002 season:Regular Season

Pennington- 41 games, Warner- 29 games

Pennington- 43/30 TD/INT, Warner- 21/25 TD/INT

Pennington- 7.4 Yards per Att, Warner 7.0 Yards per Att

Pennington- 65.7% Completions, Warner 63.8% Completions

Postseason

Pennington 4 games, 2-2 record. Warner 0 playoff appearances

Pennington 6/3 TD/INT ratio

Nobody knows whether Pennington will be healthy this year. But a healthy Pennington is better than Warner and 5 years younger.

 
Wait til Chad wakes up tomorrow morning and sees the contract that Arizona just awarded to the injuring-plagued and aging Kurt Warner.
The aging and injury plagued Kurt Warner has done better than Pennington. Plus, he doesn't have an arm which, although not exactly spaghetti, is closer to fettucine.
Since start of 2002 season:Regular Season

Pennington- 41 games, Warner- 29 games

Pennington- 43/30 TD/INT, Warner- 21/25 TD/INT

Pennington- 7.4 Yards per Att, Warner 7.0 Yards per Att

Pennington- 65.7% Completions, Warner 63.8% Completions

Postseason

Pennington 4 games, 2-2 record. Warner 0 playoff appearances

Pennington 6/3 TD/INT ratio

Nobody knows whether Pennington will be healthy this year. But a healthy Pennington is better than Warner and 5 years younger.
Not that you're cherry-picking or anything. Let's keep in mind that Warner has a superbowl ring, and the best completion percentage in league history....And don't get me wrong. I love Pennington when he's healthy, but it's highly unlikely that he comes back from two shoulder surgeries and is physically as good as he was back in '02.

 
Nobody knows whether Pennington will be healthy this year. But a healthy Pennington is better than Warner and 5 years younger.
To me, and most other Jets fans, that's the big question. I love Chad, but anyone who watched the beginning of last season knew something was clearly wrong. He had *8* fumbles in the first three games - six in the first game alone. He was not sharp, even if the numbers themselves were not terrible. And this was BEFORE injuring the same shoulder again.

Chad is great when he's healthy, but I think the question goes beyond whether he can stay healthy. The question really is whether he will ever be the same. So you have major question marks about Pennington's future as a franchise QB, a new coaching staff, and a lot of money.

Personally, I think an incentive-based pay cut - to reduce the overall cap hit but also give Chad an opportunity to make at least what he was previously due - is the best of both worlds. It hedges the Jets bet and really puts the onus on Chad to prove he is capable of doing what he once did.

That said, I wouldn't be too upset if we moved on, especially with the QB talent that might be available at #4 (or if we decide to trade up). In fact, given the choice, I would prefer to keep Abraham, Ellis and Law and bring in a guy like, say, Young. (I think Young gives you a better chance in the short term because his mobility helps cover for the learning curve... and with our defense that bodes well)

 
Nobody knows whether Pennington will be healthy this year. But a healthy Pennington is better than Warner and 5 years younger.
Personally, I think an incentive-based pay cut - to reduce the overall cap hit but also give Chad an opportunity to make at least what he was previously due - is the best of both worlds. It hedges the Jets bet and really puts the onus on Chad to prove he is capable of doing what he once did.That said, I wouldn't be too upset if we moved on, especially with the QB talent that might be available at #4 (or if we decide to trade up). In fact, given the choice, I would prefer to keep Abraham, Ellis and Law and bring in a guy like, say, Young. (I think Young gives you a better chance in the short term because his mobility helps cover for the learning curve... and with our defense that bodes well)
I think that if we're going to start over with a rookie QB, there's no point in holding on to Ty Law. As I recall, he was flagged a bunch last year for PI and holding, and caught most of his pics on deflections. If we're going with a new QB, it means that our superbowl window won't open for another 3 years, realistically. Why pay money to a 35-year old? I also don't love the idea of trading up for a QB - if we're going to trade up, we have to go to #1, since we have to leapfrog the QB-hungry teams. And if we're going t #1, there's no excuse for not taking the BPA, which is Reggie Bush. But why draft an RB if you're reconstructing? No, the Jets should take D'Brickshaw or trade down and draft Cutler.
 
Let's keep some perspective here.

Kurt Warner, a 2-time MVP, hurt his thumb and it severely altered his ability to play. Chad Pennington, an accurate but largely unaccomplished passer, just had his 2nd major shoulder injury.

Huge, huge difference.

Pennington's arm strength was a major question mark before the injuries, I just don't see how anyone can make a big financial bet on him at this point. It would be great to see Chad make it back, but the odds are stacked against him.

 
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I think that if we're going to start over with a rookie QB, there's no point in holding on to Ty Law. As I recall, he was flagged a bunch last year for PI and holding, and caught most of his pics on deflections. If we're going with a new QB, it means that our superbowl window won't open for another 3 years, realistically. Why pay money to a 35-year old? I also don't love the idea of trading up for a QB - if we're going to trade up, we have to go to #1, since we have to leapfrog the QB-hungry teams. And if we're going t #1, there's no excuse for not taking the BPA, which is Reggie Bush. But why draft an RB if you're reconstructing? No, the Jets should take D'Brickshaw or trade down and draft Cutler.
I agree, #4 is tough this year because the big 3 are gone and - if you want to go Qb - it's still maybe a little too early for Cutler. As far as rookie/young QBs go, well, they can win with a good defense and running game (see, e.g., Steelers, Bears, even Giants) - but yes, this is probably the exception not the norm.

As I mentioned, a guy like Vince Young - like, say, Vick - has the advantage that he can rely on his legs while still adjusting to the game (the same way rookie RBs can have a real impact).

That said, you're right, Ferguson - while not necessarily the most glamorous pick - is probably the best pick, especially since we lost McKenzie last year. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing Vilma and Hawk together in the defensive backfield either.

But who are we kidding - we'll probably trade down for another backup TE and a punter :)

 
I think that if we're going to start over with a rookie QB, there's no point in holding on to Ty Law. As I recall, he was flagged a bunch last year for PI and holding, and caught most of his pics on deflections. If we're going with a new QB, it means that our superbowl window won't open for another 3 years, realistically. Why pay money to a 35-year old? I also don't love the idea of trading up for a QB - if we're going to trade up, we have to go to #1, since we have to leapfrog the QB-hungry teams. And if we're going t #1, there's no excuse for not taking the BPA, which is Reggie Bush. But why draft an RB if you're reconstructing? No, the Jets should take D'Brickshaw or trade down and draft Cutler.
I agree, #4 is tough this year because the big 3 are gone and - if you want to go Qb - it's still maybe a little too early for Cutler. As far as rookie/young QBs go, well, they can win with a good defense and running game (see, e.g., Steelers, Bears, even Giants) - but yes, this is probably the exception not the norm.

As I mentioned, a guy like Vince Young - like, say, Vick - has the advantage that he can rely on his legs while still adjusting to the game (the same way rookie RBs can have a real impact).

That said, you're right, Ferguson - while not necessarily the most glamorous pick - is probably the best pick, especially since we lost McKenzie last year. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing Vilma and Hawk together in the defensive backfield either.

But who are we kidding - we'll probably trade down for another backup TE and a punter :)
By the time the draft comes along, the big 3 could easily be: Bush, Leinart and Ferguson.
 
Yeah, I saw last week that they were looking to renegotiate. I'm not surprised at all. The injuries are mounting up, and he's not NEAR worth his fat contract. I think this might be more posturing by them and an "out" for them to look elsewhere for a QB...

 
In any negotiation both sides initially take extreme positions which are later moderated. I don't think the Jets think they can realistically get Pennington to negotiate his contract down to little, I think they're just hardballing him early in order to secure a more reasonable outcome later.

 
i thought i heard that no QB has ever come back from two major rotator cuff injuries/surgeries?

come to think of it... not sure how many times anybody has come back from one... bulger has had his shoulder banged up past two seasons... but to my knowledge... at no point has he had a rotator cuff TEAR.

 
Wait til Chad wakes up tomorrow morning and sees the contract that Arizona just awarded to the injuring-plagued and aging Kurt Warner.
The aging and injury plagued Kurt Warner has done better than Pennington. Plus, he doesn't have an arm which, although not exactly spaghetti, is closer to fettucine.
Since start of 2002 season:Regular Season

Pennington- 41 games, Warner- 29 games

Pennington- 43/30 TD/INT, Warner- 21/25 TD/INT

Pennington- 7.4 Yards per Att, Warner 7.0 Yards per Att

Pennington- 65.7% Completions, Warner 63.8% Completions

Postseason

Pennington 4 games, 2-2 record. Warner 0 playoff appearances

Pennington 6/3 TD/INT ratio

Nobody knows whether Pennington will be healthy this year. But a healthy Pennington is better than Warner and 5 years younger.
Last two years:Warner 4767 yds 17 td's 13 int's

Pennington 3204 18-12

Granted, in the last two years, Warner played 20 games, and Pennington 16.

But Pennington is coming off his second major rotator cuff surgery, and his arm wasn't that strong to begin with. Warner was playing with an ineffective line this last year, with no running back worthy of the name. If I had to pick one to start next year, Warner wins easily, particularly if they both have the same offensive line. I think AZ is committed to improving the line, which will probably improve their running game, and Warner's performance.

Pennington is a mystery. Smart qb, makes good decisions, but may not be up it from a physical standpoint.

 
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Quote of the Week

"He's like an egg back there. I mean, look at the ways he's gotten hurt. He hasn't even been hit that hard. The injuries have come from awkward hits and falls. I think we should just cut him.''

-- An anonymous Jets player, to Mark Cannizzaro of the New York Post, on quarterback Chad Pennington, who has been asked to take a massive pay cut in order to stay with the team.

With teammates like that, who needs serial killers?

 
It was a really odd quote - I can't remember the last time I read a quote from a football player offering his opinion that some other player should get cut. I thought commenting on that sort of stuff wasa real no-no among players. The fact that it's an anonymous quote... well, either there's a real ####### in the lockeroom, or someone has a personal thing with Penny, or Cannizarro's making stuff up again.

 
The blogger has two articles concerning Pennington today.

The first is that the Jets are talking to the 'Skins about Patrick Ramsey and the second is about considering Cutler at #4.

The first makes sense, I think Ramsey would be a good fit.

The second is a smoke screen enticing someone to move up.

Either way, I'm starting to think that Pennington is done playing in NY, whether or not he remains on the team.

 
The first is that the Jets are talking to the 'Skins about Patrick Ramsey and the second is about considering Cutler at #4.

The first makes sense, I think Ramsey would be a good fit.

The second is a smoke screen enticing someone to move up.

Either way, I'm starting to think that Pennington is done playing in NY, whether or not he remains on the team.
I am on record for stating that I think that Ramsey has gotten a bum deal in being drafted by Spurrier. Whether he is a good qb remains to be seen. I think he will turn out better than he is percieved now.That aside what is it with the 'Skins and Jets raiding each others larders?

 
The blogger has two articles concerning Pennington today.

The first is that the Jets are talking to the 'Skins about Patrick Ramsey and the second is about considering Cutler at #4.

The first makes sense, I think Ramsey would be a good fit.

The second is a smoke screen enticing someone to move up.

Either way, I'm starting to think that Pennington is done playing in NY, whether or not he remains on the team.
Considering we cut Fabini, I think that D'Brickashaw pick might be more likely... and then picking up a Brooks, Ramsey or the like on the relative cheap.That said, if you really think Cutler can and will be the guy, can you pass him up? I mean, Eli, Rivers, Alex Smith, all these guys went top 4. Ben went 11. Sure, a lot of his success might be attributed to the system and circumstance, but you don't think some of those other teams are kicking themselves now?

Speaking of 1.11, I'm sure the Browns and Bengals would have liked Daunte over Couch and Akili...

So, yes, hindsight is 20/20, but my point is that sometimes you shouldn't pass on someone that you have that feeling about just because he's not "supposed" to go that high.

If we want Cutler, sure, it would be better to trade down, but if you are really sold on him (and I'm not saying I am one way or another, I'm just stating a point) - then you should get him however that is possible.

 
I am on record for stating that I think that Ramsey has gotten a bum deal in being drafted by Spurrier. Whether he is a good qb remains to be seen. I think he will turn out better than he is percieved now.
:goodposting: He took a lot sacks but was actually looking pretty good in an otherwise awful Redskins offense :)

 
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Yeah, the Jets were interested in him last year too. It wouldn't surprise me if he took Brooks Bollinger's roster spot.

 
Yeah, the Jets were interested in him last year too. It wouldn't surprise me if he took Brooks Bollinger's roster spot.
I think Ramsey (or someone like him) takes Pennington's spot and then Pennington takes Bollinger's spot. I don't think they can financially afford to cut Pennington. They'll end up in a spot similar to the Chargers where they have a starter as a backup.
 

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