Jim Brown? Why was his # just retired tonite? (1 Viewer)

[TheDirtyWord]

Seems awfully tardy. What's that background here?

 

[Joe Summer]

They retired his number in 1971. Tonight's ceremony was just to formally induct him into the Browns' "Ring Of Honor", which was created a few years ago.

 

[Bobcat10]

Yep...Holmgren was pretty much a #### to Jim. 2010 was the inaugural year for the Ring of Honor.

 

[Tom Hagen]

Yep...Holmgren was pretty much a #### to Jim. 2010 was the inaugural year for the Ring of Honor.

Who was inducted before Jim Brown?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Yep...Holmgren was pretty much a #### to Jim. 2010 was the inaugural year for the Ring of Honor.

Who was inducted before Jim Brown?

Paul Brown? Otto graham?Research shows Jim Brown was included in the inaugural ring of honor in 2010

 

[Joe Summer]

Yep...Holmgren was pretty much a #### to Jim. 2010 was the inaugural year for the Ring of Honor.

Who was inducted before Jim Brown?

Brown was inducted in 2010, along with 15 other Browns who have been inducted into the Hall of Fame.But Brown refused to attend the original ceremony because of Holmgren. Once Holmgren was canned, Brown agreed to show up to be honored.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Yep...Holmgren was pretty much a #### to Jim. 2010 was the inaugural year for the Ring of Honor.

Who was inducted before Jim Brown?

Brown was inducted in 2010, along with 15 other Browns who have been inducted into the Hall of Fame.But Brown refused to attend the original ceremony because of Holmgren. Once Holmgren was canned, Brown agreed to show up to be honored.

This was all because Holmgren went through the financials and basically fired Brown, right? He was getting some bogus consulting fee, like half a million a year or something stupid? Read that somewhere.

 

[Bobcat10]

Might help to clear it up a bit. Holmgren eliminated Jim's role with the organization when he came aboard and offered Jim a "puppet" job at a big time reduced salary. Jim declined to participate in the inaugural ROH. There were some bad exchanges, bad blood, etc....probably some good articles out there if you are really interested, even some recently after the TRich trade. One of the first things new ownership did was bring Jim back to the Browns.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Might help to clear it up a bit. Holmgren eliminated Jim's role with the organization when he came aboard and offered Jim a "puppet" job at a big time reduced salary. Jim declined to participate in the inaugural ROH. There were some bad exchanges, bad blood, etc....probably some good articles out there if you are really interested, even some recently after the TRich trade. One of the first things new ownership did was bring Jim back to the Browns.

Ah thanks, I had some of it wrong, looks like.

What was his role with the organization originally, that Holmgren eliminated?

 

[Bobcat10]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

 

[seahawk 17]

Sad to see Brown out there, reminds me of Ali. He didn't really seem present and couldn't move his body.

Holmgren got rid of him because he was making big money to hang out in the locker room. He was cashing checks for doing nothing, and he beats on women.

 

[Bobcat10]

Sad to see Brown out there, reminds me of Ali. He didn't really seem present and couldn't move his body.

Holmgren got rid of him because he was making big money to hang out in the locker room. He was cashing checks for doing nothing, and he beats on women.

Kind of ironic you mentioned Holmgren got rid of Brown for cashing checks and doing nothing....

 

[Bobcat10]

Jim just got the game ball in the locker room and sounded pretty present. He doesn't move well...but he's an old dude that busted alot of dudes up.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Thanks - figured something happened here. Question answered.

 

[JetMaxx]

Disfunctional situation typical of a disfunctional franchise.

 

[seahawk 17]

Jim just got the game ball in the locker room and sounded pretty present. He doesn't move well...but he's an old dude that busted alot of dudes up.

I am to tired to defend ex Seahawks, so I will give you that. I have a five year old nephew that could of given that Jim Brown speech. Perhaps he drank a lot tonight?

 

[Drop]

It was cool that the team wore all brown uniforms for the event, but I think originally Holmgren wanted to hand out Jim Brown wife beaters to the first 10,000 fans into the stadium.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

So it WAS a bull#### "consulting" job that he was getting paid way too much money to do. Thought I had it right originally.

 

[Bobcat10]

Jim just got the game ball in the locker room and sounded pretty present. He doesn't move well...but he's an old dude that busted alot of dudes up.

I am to tired to defend ex Seahawks, so I will give you that. I have a five year old nephew that could of given that Jim Brown speech. Perhaps he drank a lot tonight?

You compared Jim's state to Ali. Sorry buddy...but you fail.

 

[Bobcat10]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

So it WAS a bull#### "consulting" job that he was getting paid way too much money to do. Thought I had it right originally.

I'm sure Jim was getting paid way too much. So was Holmgren. The difference is one was a travesty to the org.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

So it WAS a bull#### "consulting" job that he was getting paid way too much money to do. Thought I had it right originally.

I'm sure Jim was getting paid way too much. So was Holmgren. The difference is one was a travesty to the org.

That's a fair point. As far as I'm concerned Browns ownership can pay their employees whatever to do whatever. They had the right to pay Jim Brown half a million a year to sit in the owners box every week, who cares.I just don't see how Holmgren being told to clean up the books and booting Jim Brown and his unnecessary position/salary makes him the bad guy in that situation, unless there's a lot more to the story.

Sounds like it was Brown's reaction and then subsequent bad blood between the two that is making you blame Holmgren.

 

[JetMaxx]

Disfunctional situation typical of a disfunctional franchise.

 

[Mile High]

Sad to see Brown out there, reminds me of Ali. He didn't really seem present and couldn't move his body.

Holmgren got rid of him because he was making big money to hang out in the locker room. He was cashing checks for doing nothing, and he beats on women.

Kind of ironic you mentioned Holmgren got rid of Brown for cashing checks and doing nothing....

This. Have heard former players talking about Holmgren showing up late to practices and leaving early.

 

[Hoss Style]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

So it WAS a bull#### "consulting" job that he was getting paid way too much money to do. Thought I had it right originally.

I'm sure Jim was getting paid way too much. So was Holmgren. The difference is one was a travesty to the org.

That's a fair point. As far as I'm concerned Browns ownership can pay their employees whatever to do whatever. They had the right to pay Jim Brown half a million a year to sit in the owners box every week, who cares.I just don't see how Holmgren being told to clean up the books and booting Jim Brown and his unnecessary position/salary makes him the bad guy in that situation, unless there's a lot more to the story.

Sounds like it was Brown's reaction and then subsequent bad blood between the two that is making you blame Holmgren.

Do you have some inside info here, CONN? It sounds like you know exactly what Brown was doing in his advisor role (those roles can be anything from "nothing" to helping owners/GMs make decisions, communicate what players/coaches are saying, etc, etc) and you also say that Holmgren was told to clean up the books (as in ditching Brown's position)? I'd never heard or read that before either.

Unless Brown was literally doing "nothing", as not EVER being around, I'd think that having Brown around in Cleveland would be a pretty big boost to the fan base and players. I'm not even a Cleveland fan and I'd show up to a game to see or talk to Jim and shake his hand. Also, from what I've read, most players revere the guy.

Do you have links to what you're saying? Or remember where that comes from? Or do you just dislike Brown, the Browns, or just guys who "advise" in general?

 

[moondog]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

So it WAS a bull#### "consulting" job that he was getting paid way too much money to do. Thought I had it right originally.

I'm sure Jim was getting paid way too much. So was Holmgren. The difference is one was a travesty to the org.

That's a fair point. As far as I'm concerned Browns ownership can pay their employees whatever to do whatever. They had the right to pay Jim Brown half a million a year to sit in the owners box every week, who cares.I just don't see how Holmgren being told to clean up the books and booting Jim Brown and his unnecessary position/salary makes him the bad guy in that situation, unless there's a lot more to the story.

Sounds like it was Brown's reaction and then subsequent bad blood between the two that is making you blame Holmgren.

Do you have some inside info here, CONN? It sounds like you know exactly what Brown was doing in his advisor role (those roles can be anything from "nothing" to helping owners/GMs make decisions, communicate what players/coaches are saying, etc, etc) and you also say that Holmgren was told to clean up the books (as in ditching Brown's position)? I'd never heard or read that before either.

Unless Brown was literally doing "nothing", as not EVER being around, I'd think that having Brown around in Cleveland would be a pretty big boost to the fan base and players. I'm not even a Cleveland fan and I'd show up to a game to see or talk to Jim and shake his hand. Also, from what I've read, most players revere the guy.

Do you have links to what you're saying? Or remember where that comes from? Or do you just dislike Brown, the Browns, or just guys who "advise" in general?

Excellent post. Holmgren's front office stints have been a disaster.

 

[seahawk 17]

It was cool that the team wore all brown uniforms for the event, but I think originally Holmgren wanted to hand out Jim Brown wife beaters to the first 10,000 fans into the stadium.

 

[Chachi]

The Chachinator seems to recall Jim Brown is a woman beater. Correct the Chachinator if he's wrong. The Chachinator does not like the idea of "Honoring" woman beaters. Found this little snippet "Domestic violence, battery, and rape charges shadowed Brown's reputation."

I didn't realize this awesome dude was also a rapist? WTF do we honor trash like this for?

 

[The Man With No Name]

The Chachinator seems to recall Jim Brown is a woman beater. Correct the Chachinator if he's wrong. The Chachinator does not like the idea of "Honoring" woman beaters. Found this little snippet "Domestic violence, battery, and rape charges shadowed Brown's reputation."

I didn't realize this awesome dude was also a rapist? WTF do we honor trash like this for?

Many million more people love Kobe Bryant, imo

 

[LAUNCH]

If you were in charge would you want someone like Jim Brown around? I really can't think of a time where having a former successful old person, who is very opinionated and never done your job, ever helps.

 

[Soulfly3]

The Chachinator seems to recall Jim Brown is a woman beater. Correct the Chachinator if he's wrong. The Chachinator does not like the idea of "Honoring" woman beaters. Found this little snippet "Domestic violence, battery, and rape charges shadowed Brown's reputation."

I didn't realize this awesome dude was also a rapist? WTF do we honor trash like this for?

Chach is the 20th person in this thread to mention it.

Good job!

 

[Casting Couch]

The Chachinator seems to recall Jim Brown is a woman beater. Correct the Chachinator if he's wrong. The Chachinator does not like the idea of "Honoring" woman beaters. Found this little snippet "Domestic violence, battery, and rape charges shadowed Brown's reputation."

I didn't realize this awesome dude was also a rapist? WTF do we honor trash like this for?

Chach is the 20th person in this thread to mention it.

Good job!

...and the most succinct of any post yet, even if it is in the third person.

 

[Sabertooth]

Seems like an egomaniac. He could probably still beat the #### out of The Chachintor though.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

Seems like an egomaniac. He could probably still beat the #### out of The Chachintor though.

ego on ego.

 

[Hoss Style]

Maybe someone is celebrating his arrests, and I missed it. If so, I agree. That's not good.

Others are celebrating his sports career and are able to seperate the two. Tons of Hall of Famers in all 4 major sports have similar blemishes and yet fans are able to look at the "art" and enjoy the body of work. Not just sports - all walks of life have skilled people who might not be people you'd want to associate with. Music you listen to? Paintings? Television producers, actors? Etc.

I understand why some may not be able to seperate the artist from the art. I'm not sure either side is right. I just know that even if my favorite artist was in jail, I could still look at his work and say "Damn, he's good" and enjoy it independent of the man himself and even celebrate his skill. Maybe even put him in a "Ring of Honor" if it was specific to his art alone.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Adviser to former owner Lerner I believe.

So it WAS a bull#### "consulting" job that he was getting paid way too much money to do. Thought I had it right originally.

I'm sure Jim was getting paid way too much. So was Holmgren. The difference is one was a travesty to the org.

That's a fair point. As far as I'm concerned Browns ownership can pay their employees whatever to do whatever. They had the right to pay Jim Brown half a million a year to sit in the owners box every week, who cares.I just don't see how Holmgren being told to clean up the books and booting Jim Brown and his unnecessary position/salary makes him the bad guy in that situation, unless there's a lot more to the story.

Sounds like it was Brown's reaction and then subsequent bad blood between the two that is making you blame Holmgren.

Do you have some inside info here, CONN? It sounds like you know exactly what Brown was doing in his advisor role (those roles can be anything from "nothing" to helping owners/GMs make decisions, communicate what players/coaches are saying, etc, etc) and you also say that Holmgren was told to clean up the books (as in ditching Brown's position)? I'd never heard or read that before either.Unless Brown was literally doing "nothing", as not EVER being around, I'd think that having Brown around in Cleveland would be a pretty big boost to the fan base and players. I'm not even a Cleveland fan and I'd show up to a game to see or talk to Jim and shake his hand. Also, from what I've read, most players revere the guy.

Do you have links to what you're saying? Or remember where that comes from? Or do you just dislike Brown, the Browns, or just guys who "advise" in general?

No inside info at all. Maybe some of my statements/questions were leading, based off of things I had read in the past. Sorry. But I have definitely read all of that stuff somewhere, and was just trying to confirm.

 

[Koya]

Oh come on, we know Jim Brown is overrated. It's a passing league!