Jimmy Clausen or Cam Newton (1 Viewer)

[gbill2004]

I'm in a 12 team start 2 QB league, so this matters...who starts for Carolina this season? Cam Newton or Jimmy Clausen?

 

[thebestupsman]

Newton for sure? He looked good in the first game while Clausen looked lost.

 

[NCCommish]

The word is the Panthers are going to give Newton every shot to get the job from day one. If Cam can continue to improve and look good in the preseason he will start.

 

[solorca]

Newton for sure? He looked good in the first game while Clausen looked lost.

In fairness to Clausen, he actually looked pretty good with the exception of the pick six. He certainly looked better than he did during the entire preseason/season last year.With that said, Cam Newton should still end up as the starter. He will have his struggles, but he showed enough on Saturday (and has during training camp as well) to prove that he's at least a better opening day starter than Clausen or Anderson.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Rotoworld:

Panthers HC Ron Rivera thinks both No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton and Jimmy Clausen could see time at quarterback this season."We lost 24 practices, 1,500 snaps," said Rivera, of Newton's development. "We've had to back off." The Panthers concede that Newton has a big hurdle in going from a no-huddle offense and a silent count to playing in a pro-style offense. Clausen turned in an up-and-down performance in the Panthers' preseason debut on Saturday, eliciting "Cam" chants early on from the home crowd. However, Newton was also uneven, and though he's a good bet to take the most snaps this season, Clausen will surely get on the field at some point, if not in Week 1. Aug 14, 10:19 AM

 

[Sabertooth]

This should be a poll. And the poll should be a landslide in favor of Newton.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

 

[FDC]

Even if Jimmmy wins the job to start week 1, the home opener is week 2 vs Green Bay.

It doesn't seem likely the game will be competitive and all of Charlotte is drooling over Cam. Its hard for me to believe that Rivera wants to start his head coaching career with 3 hours of boos.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

Well that touchdown was a better catch then it was a throw. Just like the pick 6 it was thrown behind the receiver only this time Olsen was able to snag it. And Newton had several catchable balls dropped. So the ratings are misleading if you didn't actually see the game.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

Well that touchdown was a better catch then it was a throw. Just like the pick 6 it was thrown behind the receiver only this time Olsen was able to snag it. And Newton had several catchable balls dropped. So the ratings are misleading if you didn't actually see the game.

DeAngelo ran the wrong route on the Pick 6 and the throw to Olsen was solid, if not perfect. Yes, Cam had some receivers drop the ball...because he was playing with second string receivers...against second string defense. Marc James actually said Newton looked like a "7-year all pro" instead of a rookie. Tone down the hyperbole a bit. He may be a good - or even great - starting NFL QB, but he was 40% passing against second stringers in his first game action. The Cam love is just a little too thick for me after his - in my opinion - decent showing.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

 

[solorca]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Cam played one series against the first stringers and led the team down the field for an impressive drive that resulted in a FG. The lower performance came against the second string, because he was also with a second string.One other thing to note: They specifically left out all plays that would allow Cam to run the ball.

Overall, I thought it was a wash between the two guys. Newton looked extremely comfortable early on, less comfortable when Lafell, Olsen, and the first string O-Line wasn't in the game. Clausen looked comfortable throughout, but he did throw a pick six.

 

[omally]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

Well that touchdown was a better catch then it was a throw. Just like the pick 6 it was thrown behind the receiver only this time Olsen was able to snag it. And Newton had several catchable balls dropped. So the ratings are misleading if you didn't actually see the game.

DeAngelo ran the wrong route on the Pick 6 and the throw to Olsen was solid, if not perfect.

According to Clausen, DeAngelo ran the right route, but Clausen accidentally threw the ball behind DeAngelo. If you weren't a Notre Dame fan, would you be so high on Clausen?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

That's revisionist history. Carolina went 8-8 in 2009 against a difficult schedule. Their O/U win total in Vegas was 8.5, the same as the Bears and Falcons. Looking back on the Panthers '10 season, they actually finished 13th in rushing and 12th in YPC despite playing on a terrible team. They were 10th in YPC allowed. They had a middle of the road pass defense on an efficiency basis. And oh yeah -- they ranked 32nd in passing yards, 32nd in passing TDs and 32nd in net yards per attempt.Clausen joined only JaMarcus Russell and Andrew Walter as QBs to average fewer than 3.00 Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt in a season.

 

[solorca]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

Woah. While Clausen may have been playing on a lame duck team (with horrible offensive playcalling), he clearly showed that he was lacking very basic quarterback skills. At one point I was keeping track of how many botched snaps that happened with him under center, and I ended up at 16 through five games. After that point I stopped keeping track, but the issues definitely continued. Clausen never looked confident. He locked into one receiver, and generally overthrew them anyway.I'm not saying that Clausen didn't get a back break. He was forced into starting on a terrible team with a coaching staff who had very little interest in doing anything to make him successful. With that said, he was quite poor at the things he COULD control. Another issue, which is most hearsay (but comes from reputable sources), is that it has been said that he is a very difficult teammate. He is quiet, doesn't communicate well with his teammates, and has been called "cocky" more than a few times. On the other side, everyone claims that Newton has won over his teammates quickly and is clearly the more "respected" of the two players. In Clausen's defense, he looked 100% better on Saturday than he looked at any point last season. I DO think he has potential to be a solid player in the NFL (never great, but I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility that he could eventually be at an Alex Smith level). I think he needs to sit behind a vet for a few years and learn from them. The same argument can probably be made for Cam, but as a number one pick who is already showing good flashes in a shortened offseason, I think it's much more likely that he can find success by starting early on.

 

[FDC]

Looking back on the Panthers '10 season, they actually finished 13th in rushing and 12th in YPC despite playing on a terrible team. They were 10th in YPC allowed. They had a middle of the road pass defense on an efficiency basis. And oh yeah -- they ranked 32nd in passing yards, 32nd in passing TDs and 32nd in net yards per attempt.

Clausen joined only JaMarcus Russell and Andrew Walter as QBs to average fewer than 3.00 Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt in a season.

Interesting, look who is 7th worst on the NYPA- Delhomme 2009.

 

[TheFanatic]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

I agree with this. I'm a Clausen fan and a Newton owner. I like what I saw from Newton in that game, despite not seeing any runs. It was a good first step in his career, but Clausen looked like the better QB but that doesn't get ESPN ratings...

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

Well that touchdown was a better catch then it was a throw. Just like the pick 6 it was thrown behind the receiver only this time Olsen was able to snag it. And Newton had several catchable balls dropped. So the ratings are misleading if you didn't actually see the game.

DeAngelo ran the wrong route on the Pick 6 and the throw to Olsen was solid, if not perfect.

According to Clausen, DeAngelo ran the right route, but Clausen accidentally threw the ball behind DeAngelo. If you weren't a Notre Dame fan, would you be so high on Clausen?

Clausen's not going to throw a teammate under the bus. Regardless, he had a nice outing. As did Newton. But all the press goes to Newton...with a good deal of hyperbole.

Would I be so high on Clausen if I wasn't an ND fan? Probably not. My bias is clear. What I think is an objective statement, however, is that Jimmy hasn't yet had a fair chance to prove himself yet. He was a rookie QB on a team without TEs that could catch, an injured O-Line, two injured RBs, a dissatisfied and disgruntled all-pro WR and a coach who didn't really give a #### and OC whose play calling was terrible, to put it kindly. There's nothing revisionist about any of that. Was Jimmy part of the problem last year. Clearly. Was he most of it. I think not. Most, if not all, rookies would struggle under those circumstances. So to say that he already had the chance to prove this was his team is really just writing him off. Newton's going to be given the job, unless Clausen outperforms him by a lot. Newton is Rivera's guy. But Clausen has a future in the NFL...and I'm sad to think it will have to be somewhere else. I think his FLOOR is Alex Smith. A reasonable comparison is Kyle Orton. I think his ceiling is Drew Brees (yes, flame away. I didn't say he'll achieve this, but that it is his top end).

 

[NCCommish]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

He never showed a single flash. Bradford had rookie receivers and not a great offensive line. Everyone is pretty sure he has what it takes. Can't say the same for Clausen. I watch every game. I saw every painful down. And not once did Clausen do anything that made me say that guy has what it takes. I think if he has a shot it is in the West Coast offense but even then I think serviceable is all you get.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

Well that touchdown was a better catch then it was a throw. Just like the pick 6 it was thrown behind the receiver only this time Olsen was able to snag it. And Newton had several catchable balls dropped. So the ratings are misleading if you didn't actually see the game.

DeAngelo ran the wrong route on the Pick 6 and the throw to Olsen was solid, if not perfect. Yes, Cam had some receivers drop the ball...because he was playing with second string receivers...against second string defense. Marc James actually said Newton looked like a "7-year all pro" instead of a rookie. Tone down the hyperbole a bit. He may be a good - or even great - starting NFL QB, but he was 40% passing against second stringers in his first game action. The Cam love is just a little too thick for me after his - in my opinion - decent showing.

No he didn't. Clausen said that was his bad throw. Although DeAngelo should have gotten his head around.Oh and the 7 year all pro is a little much. Cam looked good for a first time on the field but I wouldn't go beyond that.

 

[FDC]

Interesting news coming out today... maybe Newton isn't as behind as once thought



The Panthers have hired former NFL and University of Miami quarterback Ken Dorsey to be an advance scout, which will entail Dorsey attending the games of the team’s next opponent and reporting back on what he sees. On the surface, it isn’t that big of a story.

Given that Dorsey previously worked for the IMG Madden Football Academy, which worked with Panthers quarterback Cam Newton after the draft and during the lockout, the decision to give Dorsey a job could be interpreted as a reward for Dorsey’s efforts to school Newton in the playbook of offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, whose relationship with Dorsey dates back to their mutual time at Miami.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that move was in the works before Newton chose IMG to help him get ready for his first NFL season. We’re also told that Newton picked IMG via a connection other than Dorsey’s link to the Panthers. Moreover, even though media reports have painted Dorsey as being directly involved in the tutelage of Newton, we’re told that former Panthers quarterback Chris Weinke took the lead, and that Dorsey assumed a lower profile, with Dorsey having only limited contact with Newton.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/15/panthers-hire-ken-dorsey-as-advance-scout/

 

[LHUCKS]

John Clayton stated this morning on ESPN radio that he believes Newton will be starting week one.

 

[Sabertooth]

Anybody that thinks Clausen will start more than a game or two in the beginning of the season is delusional. This team has cast their lot with Newton.

 

[zadok]

Newton, the moment they drafted him.

 

[FDC]

Steve Reed

@CarolinaGrowl

Cam Newton will start Friday against Miami, Ron Rivera said.

Rivera said no decision has been made on who'll start the regular season opener at QB.

---> this is interesting as most reports said Clausen was with the 1st team and looked far better than Newton in last nights practice (the last contact practice before the Miami game).

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

Agreed, the same thing happened with Clausen last year. He was in no way ready to be an NFL qb last year. He needed time to be groomed and caught up to speed with the NFL game. In fact, Clausen could still use a year of learning behind someone. The panthers currently don't have a mentor on their team and they have 2 young QB's both in dire need of that.

 

[FDC]

Rivera said the first-team offense will play about half and that Jimmy Clausen will get reps with the first teamers so as to keep the competition even.

"We'll do like we did last week where Cam came in and played with the first group in the second quarter," Rivera said. "Again, we want to make sure everybody gets a chance to play and work with the guys and keep that competition going."

There is rampant speculation Newton will start to which Rivera responded, "People do want to read into it, but just know that we have a plan and we're sticking to it and as we go through the process sometime next week we'll have a real good feel for what we're going to do as we go into the regular season."

http://carolinagrowl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=988:breaking-news-rivera-says-newton-will-start-friday-night-at-miami&catid=1:articles

 

[zadok]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

That's not how it works in the modern NFL. 3 years from the now the entire regime will be gone and the new guys will bring in a new QB.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

That's not how it works in the modern NFL. 3 years from the now the entire regime will be gone and the new guys will bring in a new QB.

It worked pretty well for Aaron Rodgers. It's not like that isn't the "modern NFL". Which is worse, ruining your 20 million dollar investment or wating for him to become an NFL qb?

 

[drfeelgood]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

How do you know he isn't ready to be an NFL QB? Who is he going to learn behind, Clausen or Derek Anderson? Plenty of rookies recently have gone through the growing pains of starting and have done fine such as Bradford, Flacco, Ryan, McCoy, Freeman, Sanchez, and Stafford. Clausen had some experience last year, but thus far he doesn't look better than Newton. Newton has a lot of confidence, and I don't think that will be ruined if he starts for the Panthers this season. They are rebuilding, and I see nothing nuts about Newton learning on the job this year.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

How do you know he isn't ready to be an NFL QB? Who is he going to learn behind, Clausen or Derek Anderson? Plenty of rookies recently have gone through the growing pains of starting and have done fine such as Bradford, Flacco, Ryan, McCoy, Freeman, Sanchez, and Stafford. Clausen had some experience last year, but thus far he doesn't look better than Newton. Newton has a lot of confidence, and I don't think that will be ruined if he starts for the Panthers this season. They are rebuilding, and I see nothing nuts about Newton learning on the job this year.

Time will tell, but I don't like his odds. He doesn't look like an NFL qb to me.

 

[moderated]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

That's not how it works in the modern NFL. 3 years from the now the entire regime will be gone and the new guys will bring in a new QB.

It worked pretty well for Aaron Rodgers. It's not like that isn't the "modern NFL". Which is worse, ruining your 20 million dollar investment or wating for him to become an NFL qb?

In a perfect world all rookie QB's would be able to sit a year and learn, that isn't reality anymore.Also if a QB is going to get broken by making mistakes he'll never be good whether they start year 1 or year 3.I actually think it's better to let them play right away to learn if they have a winning mind set or not, why wait 3 years and then find out you have a clunker.

 

[zadok]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

That's not how it works in the modern NFL. 3 years from the now the entire regime will be gone and the new guys will bring in a new QB.

It worked pretty well for Aaron Rodgers. It's not like that isn't the "modern NFL". Which is worse, ruining your 20 million dollar investment or wating for him to become an NFL qb?

The Panthers have a HOF veteran already on the roster with years of playing at a high level left? We're talking about rebuilding franchises who take a QB at the top of round 1. They need results immediately, not in 3 years.

 

[zadok]

Time will tell, but I don't like his odds. He doesn't look like an NFL qb to me.

If they agreed with you, they would never have drafted him.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

That's not how it works in the modern NFL. 3 years from the now the entire regime will be gone and the new guys will bring in a new QB.

It worked pretty well for Aaron Rodgers. It's not like that isn't the "modern NFL". Which is worse, ruining your 20 million dollar investment or wating for him to become an NFL qb?

The Panthers have a HOF veteran already on the roster with years of playing at a high level left? We're talking about rebuilding franchises who take a QB at the top of round 1. They need results immediately, not in 3 years.

They may need results right now, but like I said, why ruin your investment? You may gain a lot more later by being conservative with him now. That's just my opinion.

 

[Clifford]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

I take it you did not watch a single snap he played. Kid looked AWFUL! Just like he did at Notre Dame, just like his brother at Tennessee. Whoever thought the family could play ball was delusional. Clausen is AWFUL and will only lengthen the pain from last season. They'll give him a game or two to completely destroy himself before inserting Newton as the full-time starter. Both will struggle, but I can't see Newton's rookie season being nearly as bad as Clausens. Let's face it: the guy couldn't outplay Todd Collins in a H2H matchup.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Cam Newton didn't look as good as people think. There were some throws that were caught that IF they were on the money, they would have went for bigger yardage.

I don't think Clausen is all that great either. After the pick 6 thrown by Clausen, the crowd was already chanting for Newton to come in so since Carolina will struggle, Cam Newton will be the guy and it'll be his job to lose over the next couple of years. Clausen just needs to focus on getting better and you never know where you'll end up on this league if you can play half decent.

 

[TheAssassin]

Rotoworld

"Carolina Panthers

The talent gap between Cam Newton and Jimmy Clausen is enormous. If the Panthers name a quarterback with a won-loss record in mind, it won't be a decision. Coach Ron Rivera plans to pick a starter before the third preseason game. "

I'm not even sure I know what they're saying.

 

[Gr00vus]

Who is the Panthers' QB coach - and is he any good?

 

[solorca]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

If the Panthers had a good veteran for him to sit behind and learn from, I would agree. Derek Anderson or Jimmy Clausen have nothing to teach Cam other than what NOT to do. I would have preferred a quality vet starting this year, but without that on the team, Newton needs to get thrown to the wolves.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

If the Panthers had a good veteran for him to sit behind and learn from, I would agree. Derek Anderson or Jimmy Clausen have nothing to teach Cam other than what NOT to do. I would have preferred a quality vet starting this year, but without that on the team, Newton needs to get thrown to the wolves.

Then he will fail, because he simply isn't ready and isn't close.

 

[NCCommish]

The Panthers are nuts if they throw Newton to the wolves this early. Talk about unwise use of a large investment. If they were smart they would let him sit for two or three years and learn the NFL game and work on his craft. He's not ready to be an NFL qb and this will only ruin his confidence.

That's not how it works in the modern NFL. 3 years from the now the entire regime will be gone and the new guys will bring in a new QB.

It worked pretty well for Aaron Rodgers. It's not like that isn't the "modern NFL". Which is worse, ruining your 20 million dollar investment or wating for him to become an NFL qb?

Do the Panthers have a Hall of Fame QB on the roster?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Most Panthers fans in Charlotte want Cam in there too... I'm on the fence. I think Clausen could do better in 2011, but Cam needs the reps.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Cam Newton 8/19 for 134 yards and a 66.6 passer rating against second stringers

Jimmy Clausen 4/7 for 69 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT for a 90.8 passer rating against first stringers.





They're going to give Newton tons of opportunities to win the job, but I think people are really overstating how well Cam looked and how 'poor' Jimmy Clausen looked.

Well that touchdown was a better catch then it was a throw. Just like the pick 6 it was thrown behind the receiver only this time Olsen was able to snag it. And Newton had several catchable balls dropped. So the ratings are misleading if you didn't actually see the game.

I saw the game, And I disagree. There were some dropped passes missed by the WR for both QB's, but I didn't see the TD pass as a product of the WR. And I didn't think any of Cam's passes were particularly note worthy. Not even the "frozen Rope" as the announcers called it. Cam get too much hype from all directions. A lot of Carolina fans and locals by into it.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

I take it you did not watch a single snap he played. Kid looked AWFUL! Just like he did at Notre Dame, just like his brother at Tennessee. Whoever thought the family could play ball was delusional. Clausen is AWFUL and will only lengthen the pain from last season. They'll give him a game or two to completely destroy himself before inserting Newton as the full-time starter. Both will struggle, but I can't see Newton's rookie season being nearly as bad as Clausens. Let's face it: the guy couldn't outplay Todd Collins in a H2H matchup.

Saw it. Clearly you're as biased as I am. Merrill Hoge had some good thoughts on the game. He said Clausen outplayed Newton. He also said the pick 6 probably wasn't Clausen's fault. Feel free now to insult Merrill Hoge.

I can't see Newton's rookie season being nearly as bad as Clausens

Neither can I, but primarily because the team last year and the team this year are totally different. I think they give Newton the starting job from D1, because that's what the fans want. But that doesn't change my opinion that Clausen hasn't gotten a fair shake in Carolina and I hope he ends up getting a real shot somewhere else, because despite what you think, he is good enough to be a starting QB in this league. Not a star, perhaps, but a good starter.

 

[FDC]

I think they give Newton the starting job from D1, because that's what the fans want.

Disagree. If he starts the season its because Rivera thinks it gives them the best chance to win long term.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam Newton is a project. He's not going to be ready, and for his own sake, the Panthers would be smart to roll out Clausen to the Wolves. He's at least had a season under his belt. I know fantasy football fans want Cam Newton in there. But in reality football, it's Clausen's starting spot to lose. Once the season is lost, they will ease in Cam with no pressure. By then, he'll have absorbed the playbook a few months and won't have to worry about the won-loss record. I don't see that happening until at least week 10.

Clausen didn't do or show nearly enough last year for it to be "his" job.

This is BS. Admittedly, I like Clausen, but he was given no shot on a lame duck team that spent next to nothing waiting for this years bonanza. Fox was on his way out and Clausen hasn't had his chance to show whether or not is should be 'his' job. Problem is now, the fans want Newton, so he'll get no fair shot. I expect him to be 'showcased' some this year and shopped in the offseason.

I take it you did not watch a single snap he played. Kid looked AWFUL! Just like he did at Notre Dame, just like his brother at Tennessee. Whoever thought the family could play ball was delusional. Clausen is AWFUL and will only lengthen the pain from last season. They'll give him a game or two to completely destroy himself before inserting Newton as the full-time starter. Both will struggle, but I can't see Newton's rookie season being nearly as bad as Clausens. Let's face it: the guy couldn't outplay Todd Collins in a H2H matchup.

Saw it. Clearly you're as biased as I am. Merrill Hoge had some good thoughts on the game. He said Clausen outplayed Newton. He also said the pick 6 probably wasn't Clausen's fault. Feel free now to insult Merrill Hoge.

I can't see Newton's rookie season being nearly as bad as Clausens

Neither can I, but primarily because the team last year and the team this year are totally different. I think they give Newton the starting job from D1, because that's what the fans want. But that doesn't change my opinion that Clausen hasn't gotten a fair shake in Carolina and I hope he ends up getting a real shot somewhere else, because despite what you think, he is good enough to be a starting QB in this league. Not a star, perhaps, but a good starter.

Yeah cause Merrill Hoge is some Delphic oracle. Probably wasn't his fault? It either was or wasn't and I guess I'll take Jimmy's word it was.