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(KFFL) ESPNews reports Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen will enter the 2010 NFL Draft.
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Jimmy Clausen will enter the 2010 NFL Draft (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
He will look good in a Rams uniform.
Is he the QB that goes crunch? Oh wait, that is Joe Vlasic.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Is he better than Bradford after the injury is addressed?
As far as where he goes... I can see St. Louis or Buffalo but if I'm him I'm hoping to drop to Carolina. If those 3 don't take him, it seems he'd fall to the 2nd or be someone a team will trade up for.
ETA: where does Weiss sign?
As far as where he goes... I can see St. Louis or Buffalo but if I'm him I'm hoping to drop to Carolina. If those 3 don't take him, it seems he'd fall to the 2nd or be someone a team will trade up for.
ETA: where does Weiss sign?
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5Rings
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Avery
Footballguy
good point. If Weiss signs on anywhere as OC where there isn't an entrenched starter at QB, the rumors and fit would be obvious.
I'd rather Carolina go after a Jason Campbell when he hits the market. They only have a 1-2 year window with this current team after this year and they will not be able to wait for a rookie to develop. Had they addressed the QB situation in the 2008 draft like they should have after Delhomme got hurt, they would be fine.They always could go for a rookie QB in 2010, not sign Peppers (I think he would stay if Fox leaves), and start rebuilding from there.
Billy Costigan Jr
Footballguy
I thought Carolina didn't even have a 2010 1st Round pick...BRB..
Yup...from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Agreed.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I truly believe there will be a new Head Coach in Buffalo and he will select a new franchise QB with the 1st round pick (unless a stud OT is there and they can't pass him up). But either way, there is no way Buffalo goes into next year with the QB's they have now.
I'm a big ND fan and wanted Clause in Buffalo bad. But after watching a lot of games and reading up on things I really hope they somehow end up with Jake Locker. I think Clausen is closer to being NFL ready, but Locker has much more talent and his upside is much greater. Locker won't see the field too early and will probably struggle his first year, but I think he's gonna be a future Pro Bowler in the NFL. He can do it all physically. Make all the throws and he runs the ball very well. He just needs a good coach to teach him how to be a great NFL QB mentally.
I'm a big ND fan and wanted Clause in Buffalo bad. But after watching a lot of games and reading up on things I really hope they somehow end up with Jake Locker. I think Clausen is closer to being NFL ready, but Locker has much more talent and his upside is much greater. Locker won't see the field too early and will probably struggle his first year, but I think he's gonna be a future Pro Bowler in the NFL. He can do it all physically. Make all the throws and he runs the ball very well. He just needs a good coach to teach him how to be a great NFL QB mentally.
Avery
Footballguy
Sounds eerily like a sales pich for Jamarcus Russell.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Big ND fan and a Ram's homer. I don't want the Ram's first pick used on Clausen. If he slipped into the end of the 1st and they traded up a few spots for the guy after using the 1st on O or D line then I would be OK with it. But I can't justify that kind of money on the kid at that spot which will be in the top 3 if not the 1st overall pick...
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Russell is lazy and immature. Locker does not have those problems.
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Drew RosenhausFan
Footballguy
we know he can take a punch.
I'd rather have Locker as well. I think I'd rather have Bradford too.
For all the credit Weiss got for developing Brady Quinn, his "strategy" for developing QB's at ND seems to be calling a whole lot of fade routes.
I'd rather have Locker as well. I think I'd rather have Bradford too.
For all the credit Weiss got for developing Brady Quinn, his "strategy" for developing QB's at ND seems to be calling a whole lot of fade routes.
•TheRealMcCoy
Footballguy
I agree! Suffer through the Bulger Salary issues for about one, maybe 2 years then Claussen off and running! "Hey Avery........ go deep!"
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Golden Tate also going pro
•TheRealMcCoy
Footballguy
I also agree on this! Hopefully he will be a 2nd rder!
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I still maintain that Quinn will be a good NFL QB, and Clausen has better natural ability than Quinn...
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
More interesting will be where Tate goes. This guy will be a stud, imo.
Idiot Boxer
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Read as: Clausen, all-pro: Locker, flameoutpantherclub
Footballguy
If nothing else this would solidfy Carolina getting a good QB prospect in the 2nd round. Between Clausen, Bradford, Pike (if he comes out), Locker, the kid from Arkansas and Tebow.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
As I said earlier, I agree. But I think it's closer than you might think. Clausen will still be a good NFL QB. But he doesn't have the potential that Locker has. If Locker stays one more year under Sarkisian he will definitley be the top QB drafted and possibly the #1 overall.LHUCKS said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I like players that are on an improvement cycle. Clausen has seemed to get better every year. I think he'll be pretty good.
The one thing that may hold him back, and I only have a little bit of watching time to base this on, is his attitude. Seems like a guy that's awfully tough to like.
The one thing that may hold him back, and I only have a little bit of watching time to base this on, is his attitude. Seems like a guy that's awfully tough to like.
Enforcer
Footballguy
I only saw Clausen play once (vs Washington this season). I've seen pretty much every play of Locker's college career.
I wouldn't touch Locker with a first day draft pick. I would consider taking Clausen with a late first. Realistically, I wouldn't draft a QB in the first half the first round. They are huge financial gambles that have franchise crippling potential.
The statistics that stand out to me are completion percentage and sack percentage. I recently read an old article that described these as the the statistics that remain fairly constant regardless of surrounding talent and situation. From Doug Drinen perhaps? Regardless, my problem with Locker is the sacks I watched him take. For a guy with amazing wheels, he sure did take a lot of ugly looking giant loss sacks that were instant drive killers.
I wouldn't touch Locker with a first day draft pick. I would consider taking Clausen with a late first. Realistically, I wouldn't draft a QB in the first half the first round. They are huge financial gambles that have franchise crippling potential.
The statistics that stand out to me are completion percentage and sack percentage. I recently read an old article that described these as the the statistics that remain fairly constant regardless of surrounding talent and situation. From Doug Drinen perhaps? Regardless, my problem with Locker is the sacks I watched him take. For a guy with amazing wheels, he sure did take a lot of ugly looking giant loss sacks that were instant drive killers.
EBF
Footballguy
Rightly or wrongly, Locker will go higher based on potential. When he looks good, he looks really good. Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEucv7Ela_4
Some teams will see him as Jay Cutler (franchise QB held back by poor supporting cast in college). Other teams will see him as Kyle Boller (underachieving physical specimen with insufficient instincts and consistency). Someone will like him enough to take him in the top 10-15.
I haven't paid close attention to Clausen when I've watched ND games. His production has been good and the ND fans seem to think he's legit. Then again, you would expect a QB to produce when he's throwing to two NFL caliber WRs. I also agree with the comments about his attitude. He seems like a punk. That may or may not matter. He'll probably go in the first round. The only QBs who figure to potentially go ahead of him are Bradford and Locker. Pike could maybe sneak in there if some team falls in love with him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEucv7Ela_4
Some teams will see him as Jay Cutler (franchise QB held back by poor supporting cast in college). Other teams will see him as Kyle Boller (underachieving physical specimen with insufficient instincts and consistency). Someone will like him enough to take him in the top 10-15.
I haven't paid close attention to Clausen when I've watched ND games. His production has been good and the ND fans seem to think he's legit. Then again, you would expect a QB to produce when he's throwing to two NFL caliber WRs. I also agree with the comments about his attitude. He seems like a punk. That may or may not matter. He'll probably go in the first round. The only QBs who figure to potentially go ahead of him are Bradford and Locker. Pike could maybe sneak in there if some team falls in love with him.
Definitely a good point, but I would be surprised if Clausen, Locker and Bradford all go in the first...could happen as Buffalo, STL, Oakland and others may surprise, but even then, someone may take a chance on Tebow before one of those three (odder things have happened). Also I am not a "draft nick", but where is McCoy supposed to go (3-5?) or if that kid from Houston decides to go pro, Keenum, where would he end up? They may also factor into someone else dropping even if Team A is even with McCoy and Clausen and feel they could get McCoy a lot cheaper thereby letting Clausen slip.Billy Costigan Jr said:
lyon812
Footballguy
The game against Cal probably has made multiple GMs' eyes light up, so he'll definitely be a first round pick based on potential alone. Admittedly, Locker's made tremendous strides under Sarkisian, but I agree that he needs major work regarding his pocket presence. Though many feel another year in college would benefit him immensely, it's admittedly very hard to resist the lure of millions of dollars to play another season with the Huskies, particularly if he pulls a Bradford and accomplishes nothing but getting hurt and reducing his draft stock.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I follow ND football very closely. I don't see where people are getting the 'punk' attitude impressions, unless they're only remembering his freshman year limo-arrival and his troglodyte sophomore long-hair cut. Outside of that, I haven't seen any reason to apply the 'punk' label to him.
His attitude has improved a lot. When he first came to ND he was a punk that was unlikeable. While he is still got an attitude, i think it has turned more to confidence than just being a punk.
EBF
Footballguy
Always yelling at people. Barking at his teammates. Taunting the visitor's sideline.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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My dog is a better judge of QB talent than you.LHUCKS said:
This guy can't really believe the stuff he posts. Not saying Locker isn't better, but to say it isn't close is absurd.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I actually completely agree with this...Idiot Boxer said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
As long as Clausen tests well, he's going to be a high draft pick. As others have said, he's got the physical attributes NFL GMs can't pass up, but far more importantly, he's coming into the league at the right time. The NFL is a cyclical league and you have to think GMs are getting skittish about all these QBs that look great in non-NFL spread offenses. Go through the list of big name collegiate QBs this year (McCoy, Tebow, Bradford...let's put Locker aside b/c he's more of an NFL prospect than someone who got collegiate platitudes from the masses) and you see guys who spent a good portion of their careers in the gun. Is that a death knell for NFL success? No, but it's not a very comforting place to start.
Meanwhile Clausen spent the vast majority of his career in a base pro-set NFL offense. The kid took snaps, LOTS of snaps, under center doing 3- 5- and 7-step drops. He's NFL ready in terms of formations, footwork, mechanics. And you know, thanks to Weis, he knows NFL parlance and can handle a hefty playbook.
I would be shocked if he's not a Top 10 pick, at a minimum.
Meanwhile Clausen spent the vast majority of his career in a base pro-set NFL offense. The kid took snaps, LOTS of snaps, under center doing 3- 5- and 7-step drops. He's NFL ready in terms of formations, footwork, mechanics. And you know, thanks to Weis, he knows NFL parlance and can handle a hefty playbook.
I would be shocked if he's not a Top 10 pick, at a minimum.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Marino was the first name I thought of when I read the description of 'punk'
EBF
Footballguy
He was jawing at the Stanford bench after he threw a TD pass in that game. I've watched several of his games on TV and he's always shouting at someone. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but he does come across as a bit of a knucklehead on the field. Marino is a convenient comparison because he was successful. There have been other guys like Cade McNown and Jeff George who didn't fare as well. Clausen probably has a better head on his shoulders than those guys, but his behavior raised minor red flags for me.
hoopvillian
Footballguy
Some of you guys are smoking crack. Can see this bust coming a mile away. He barely qualifies as a decent college QB. Same with Quinn.
Notre Dame games are on broadcast TV every week... you guys watch them? Without Tate performing at a high level Clausen would be an afterthought.
Notre Dame games are on broadcast TV every week... you guys watch them? Without Tate performing at a high level Clausen would be an afterthought.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
WPOTY?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Agreed.I started to respond but that has to be fishing.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I've always said and still say Quinn will not be a good NFL QB. I never saw anything special in him and still don't.With that said, my gut tells me that Clausen can be a better pro. He has the arm and big play ability. I definately don't think he's ready to come in and start like Sanchez and Stafford did this year. He would struggle mightily if that were the case. If he can get with a team where he can not be forced into the starting role right away, he could turn into something.I think Tate is solid and can also be a solid pro. With that said, I actually think he's the 2nd best receiver on his team with pro potential. I really like the big play ability in Floyd, that guy will be better than Tate IMO.
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