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Trying to digest this column from Cowboys.com... and whether it changes anything.

In The RunningParcells Looking To Rotate 3 Different BacksOXNARD, Calif. - Some interesting developments have transpired at the running back position in the last three days.Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells told reporters Tuesday that if second-year back Marion Barber stays healthy, he will have a "major role on this team."Barber's reps with the first-team offense have continued to increase. If that's not enough, Tyson Thompson also has run behind the first-team offensive line the last two days, and Parcells said Wednesday he wants the second-year veteran to get in the running back mix as well.So what does all this mean for Julius Jones, the projected starting tailback who all of sudden is surrounded by competitors left and right?"I'm no stranger to competition," Jones said following Wednesday morning's practice. "I've been competing ever since I went to college. I competed for a job in college and I'm competing for whatever job here. I'm no stranger to it and I welcome it."But running back, especially with the Cowboys, is unlike other positions where the first-teamers get the bulk of the reps.In fact, Parcells has said all along he prefers to rotate his running backs - and he's not changing his tune now. The coach said Wednesday he wants to see Barber and Jones get significant playing time, and possibly even Thompson as well."In this day and age, having a multiple-back system, if you have the talent to do it, is advantageous to your team," Parcells said. "I'd always been a coach that had a lead back and a supplemental carrier. And then sometimes I had the advantage of having a third-down guy, too. There were always three guys in the mix every week."While Parcells wants to keep the three-back philosophy intact, he said there isn't much difference between Jones and Barber."I think they're pretty much interchangeable," Parcells said. "With those two, I'm more inclined to change the runners and I'm trying to get Tyson ready to be part of this mix as well, where he could maybe be a change-up runner. That means Marion could be the third-down guy and something else. And then Julius could be the lead runner and you'd have two guys to change up and one guy for the third down."That's what I'm trying to do if I could do it, but I don't know if I can."That certainly isn't music to the ears of die-hard fantasy football players who will have hard time gauging just how many snaps each back will receive from week to week.But that's exactly how Parcells wants it.He wants to force opposing teams to prepare for three different backs instead of just one."You want to get more than one runner ready each game," Parcells said. "I'd like to get three. Sometimes you don't have more than one. But if you look around the league, there aren't many teams anymore that rely on just one back. You just can't do it."Parcells doesn't want to, and won't have to.And it seems the coach has instilled that message to his players."I think it's good to have a lot of guys to count on," said Barber, who rushed for 538 yards and five touchdowns last season, which included two starts in place of Jones (high ankle sprain). "All of the running backs are cool. It's all about family. That's what is going to help us win."While Parcells reiterated he plans to use more than one back, he continues to speak highly of Barber, whose father, Marion Barber, Jr., played seven years in the NFL with the Jets (1982-88)."He just came into the league ready to play . . . you could see that," Parcells said. "He's been around the game and really understands it. So he already knew how to do a lot of things. He's well-rounded. I like the way he blocks and catches the ball. He's got good vision."But Parcells still can chew on Barber's well-rounded game. After fumbling twice during team drills last week, Barber has been ordered by the coach to carry a football with him at all times."Dinner, lunch, everywhere," Barber said. "I have to take it with me everywhere I go. He wants me to be thinking football 24-7."While that might be Parcells' way of humbling a second-year player with so much upside, make no mistake, the coach sees nothing but a bright future for Barber."I'm really happy with his progress," he said. "If he stays healthy, there is no reason why he can't be a real good player."Parcells was speaking about Barber, but the same statement could be made for Jones, who has rushed for 1,812 yards in two years despite missing 11 games because of injuries.Staying healthy is the biggest, and virtually the only goal Jones has for this season, where the third-year back wants to silence his detractors."Always, you always have something to prove," Jones said. "To myself, to everyone. I want to play 16 games and get through the whole season. But I think you always have to play like you've got something to prove."Jones missed three games last year with the ankle injury, which he said didn't completely heal until a month after the season. While he was limited in the second half of the season, Jones still managed to rush for 194 yards and two touchdowns in a Christmas Eve win at Carolina. That was good enough to rank fourth in club history on the team's single-game rushing records, behind only Emmitt Smith (237 yards), Tony Dorsett (206) and yes, Jones, who rushed for 198 yards against Seattle as a rookie in 2004."I still know what I can do," said Jones, who just missed a 1,000-yard season, rushing for 993. "I haven't lost any confidence in myself. That's why I'm not really talking about numbers or stats right now. I know that if I go out there and stay healthy all year, the yards will be there. I'm sure about that."But no one is sure just how the carries will be divided in the regular season, especially if Thompson indeed gets into the picture.Arguably one of the team's fastest offensive players, Thompson was relegated to mostly kickoff returns last season as he struggled to pick up the system.But Parcells said things have changed now."Yes, he's better," Parcells said. "Much better, way better, 100 percent better. Now, he's a little less than perfect. But he's 100 percent better."Thompson is expected to get plenty of action Saturday night in Seattle, but he might have to do some time-sharing of his own. The Cowboys' official depth chart actually lists first-year back Keylon Kincade as the third-team back ahead of Thompson and rookie free agent Demetris Summers."We're going to try to play a lot of people here in the preseason," Parcells said. "We've got a few moving parts at that position. So I'm not sure exactly how it's going to end up right now. But at least we've got a few options."And from the looks of things, Parcells is hoping to use them all.
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Thankfully I own total of zero Cowboy RBs

on all of my dynasty rosters.

The only other team which is

wackier is the Denver Broncos RB sitch.

 
Cowboys | Parcells plans to use three back system this season

Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:42:08 -0700

Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports Dallas Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells is planning on giving RBs Julius Jones, Marion Barber III and Tyson Thompson significant playing time during the season. Jones will still be the starter, but Parcells has said that Barber will have a large role in the offense if he stays healthy and that he wants to work Thompson more in the running game than he did last season.

 
Yeah, I've read a few times that Barber is supposedly looking at 120+ carries this year. I think Parcells will have Jones on a very tight leash, and if he starts to suck, he can just bump Barber up for good...

 
If he does this, it will be one more brick in the pathway to implosion.

JJ is much better than either, and game-film and his splits back that up. MB3 is a parcells guy, but he's an average back.

I expect him to approach 100-120, but only because they will run the ball a lot more than people expect.

 
As someone who had defended JJ being the "main guy" and getting 270-290 touches. I am getting a bit nervous about MB3. I am hoping Parcells is just motivating JJ, because he is by far the better back when healthy.

 
MB3 is the value play in the Cowboys backfield, period.JJ has WAY too much downside for a 2nd/3rd round pick.
Are you saying you feel Barber has a better ADP value than Jones, or that Barber will actually unseat JJ/force RBBC?If the latter, would like to see you back that up. :boxing:
 
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JJ is much better than either, and game-film and his splits back that up. MB3 is a parcells guy, but he's an average back.
I don't see anything Jones does that appears being "much better" when comparing the splits. His road stats are better, but Barber III made up for it with his home stats. They both averaged 3.9 yards per carry last year. Slice and dice the splits anyway you want, but there are few categories that strongly favor one over the other. I'd like to see what Jones could do over a full healthy season, but I'm not about to risk the #23 overall pick on him and hope it happens. Barber III can be had 5 or more rounds later, the risk/reward greatly favors him, and is value based on hos ADP is much better, IMO.
 
As someone who had defended JJ being the "main guy" and getting 270-290 touches. I am getting a bit nervous about MB3. I am hoping Parcells is just motivating JJ, because he is by far the better back when healthy.
As we discussed yesterday, I'd agree.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=257203

If JJ goes down to injury I'm afraid that we be the end of his oppurtunity to be the main guy. It could also be a motivating tool, but I know for a fact that JJ is and has been motivated all off season.

 
JJ is much better than either, and game-film and his splits back that up. MB3 is a parcells guy, but he's an average back.
I don't see anything Jones does that appears being "much better" when comparing the splits. His road stats are better, but Barber III made up for it with his home stats. They both averaged 3.9 yards per carry last year. Slice and dice the splits anyway you want, but there are few categories that strongly favor one over the other. I'd like to see what Jones could do over a full healthy season, but I'm not about to risk the #23 overall pick on him and hope it happens. Barber III can be had 5 or more rounds later, the risk/reward greatly favors him, and is value based on hos ADP is much better, IMO.
Short yardage MB3 kills JJ.
 
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.

 
MLBrandow said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
MB3 is the value play in the Cowboys backfield, period.JJ has WAY too much downside for a 2nd/3rd round pick.
Are you saying you feel Barber has a better ADP value than Jones, or that Barber will actually unseat JJ/force RBBC?If the latter, would like to see you back that up. :boxing:
Some of both.See the faceoff on Barber for me. I think I have Barber ranked the highest of any staffer. Barber will outperform his ADP of about 100 by a huge % better than JJ, who will likely finish below it.They're basically statistically identical on a per touch basis, and JJ gets hurt. That about sums it up.Each had 5 TDs, but MB3 did it on fewer touches.
 
Gopher State said:
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.
Bill loves lower-drafted RB's who are fighters and who prevail despite having only modest talent. In short, he loves over-achievers. This is best embodied by CuMar, who is one of the great all-time overachievers at his position (people forget he was picked in the 3rd round). The only highly drafted RB Parcells has ever seemed to love was Ottis Anderson, but that was way late in his career and that actually amounted to a rebirth or a second career for Anderson. I haven't checked, but Julius Jones may be the highest drafted RB who has played for Parcells. He has more talent, and yet Barber still challenges for his job. Based upon his history it's only natural for Parcells to view JJ as an underachiever and Barber as an overachiever to root for. In short, he's playing this 1) the way you'd expect him to, and 2) smart, because by making comments that the more talented JJ is interchangeable with the less talented Barber, he's motivating both if you think about it, using fear/shame on JJ and hope/opportunity for Barber. Bill's still got his wiley ways in his old age. :D
 
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Banger said:
Short yardage MB3 kills JJ.
MB3:1&G - 11/15/TD2&G - 8/33/2TD3&G - 1/1/TD1<3 - 1/0/02<3 - 6/20/03<3 - 13/48/TD4<3 - 1/3/0JJ:1&G - 8/15/3TD2&G - 2/0/03&G - 1/0/04&G - 1/-1/01<3 - 3/2/2TD2<3 - 21/35/03<3 - 7/17/04<3 - 3/28/0I don't know where to obtain RB Success %s so those regular short-yardage stats are pretty meaningless IMO, other thann that it appears JJ was used more often (34v.21).Goal-line, MB3 was 4/20 while JJ was 3/11. For JJ's career, he's 8/34.I'd hardly consider MB3 "much better", although I'd like very much to have a look at their SYS% if someone has access to such stats.
Gopher State said:
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.
The real stats I care about are time splits, especially when projecting backups as starters, or even considering them:MB3:1-5: 54/246/2TD (4.6avg)6-10: 41/162/TD (4.0avg)11+: 43/130/2TD (3.0avg)21+ 9/20/0 (2.2avg)1Q: 26/128/3TD (4.9avg)2Q: 31/142/TD (4.6avg)3Q: 29/92/TD (3.2avg)4Q: 49/176/0 (3.6avg)1H: 57/270/4TD (4.7avg)2H: 81/268/TD (3.3avg)JJ (2005):1-5: 65/249/TD (3.8avg)6-10: 63/214/0 (3.4avg)11+: 129/530/4TD (4.1avg)21+: 34/154/2TD (4.5avg)31+: 4/8/0 (2.0avg)1Q: 77/298/TD (3.9avg)2Q: 62/203/0 (3.3avg)3Q: 66/281/3TD (4.3avg)4Q: 52/211/TD (4.1avg)1H: 139/501/TD (3.6avg)2H: 118/492/4TD (4.2avg)To me, clearly MB3 is a 10 carry back and not a feature back. Clearly, JJ is a guy who finishes games.There are those who always like to ignore such splits for "limited sample size", and those guys will look at the total lumped numbers and go "well they both averaged 3.9ypc, and JJ seems injury-proned, while MB3 is a Parcells guy".Those are the same people who will look at Tatum Bell's lumped 5.3ypc and assume he's the next breakout Denver RB. There's a reason people (Shanahan included) feel he's a 10-12 carry back.Similarly, when the season was on the line last year, there's a reason you saw the Julius Jones show.
 
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Gopher State said:
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.
:bye: Hello Gopher fan.Kidding, I agree completely. I've been targeting MBIII in every draft I've done since the end of last season. He will have not only a major role this year (Jones is brittle as anyone in the league) but I think Bill wants him to be his next Curtis Martin, and I think he's got the tools.
 
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Gopher State said:
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.
:bye: Hello Gopher fan.Kidding, I agree completely. I've been targeting MBIII in every draft I've done since the end of last season. He will have not only a major role this year (Jones is brittle as anyone in the league) but I think Bill wants him to be his next Curtis Martin, and I think he's got the tools.
As a MIN fan, I'm sure you are well aware of their recent pedigree of producing overrated RBs.
 
Gopher State said:
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.
:bye: Hello Gopher fan.Kidding, I agree completely. I've been targeting MBIII in every draft I've done since the end of last season. He will have not only a major role this year (Jones is brittle as anyone in the league) but I think Bill wants him to be his next Curtis Martin, and I think he's got the tools.
As a MIN fan, I'm sure you are well aware of their recent pedigree of producing overrated RBs.
People basing FF decisions on "pedigree" recently got burned by ignoring Larry Johnson.
 
Gopher State said:
Bottom line Bill ls in love with MBIII, If JJ slips, gets hurt, has a bad game, I think MBIII is the man. The value this year is in MBIII, JJ in the 2/3 round to much risk. JJ may have more talent, maybe the best back, could be in the best shape of his life, but BILL decides who plays, and he keeps bragging up MBIII, and thats the bad thing about the running game in big D.
:bye: Hello Gopher fan.Kidding, I agree completely. I've been targeting MBIII in every draft I've done since the end of last season. He will have not only a major role this year (Jones is brittle as anyone in the league) but I think Bill wants him to be his next Curtis Martin, and I think he's got the tools.
As a MIN fan, I'm sure you are well aware of their recent pedigree of producing overrated RBs.
People basing FF decisions on "pedigree" recently got burned by ignoring Larry Johnson.
N/ADifferent situation altogether.Also doesn't change the fact that MIN runs a bronco-clone one-cut system that glorifies its RBs.Anyway, this is more of a hijack and irrelevant. Was my mistake interjecting.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
MB3 is the value play in the Cowboys backfield, period.JJ has WAY too much downside for a 2nd/3rd round pick.
:goodposting:I don't see a huge upside that everyone else sees, either. MB *is* going to get quite a few carries.
 
To me, clearly MB3 is a 10 carry back and not a feature back. Clearly, JJ is a guy who finishes games.
I was going to state that JJ will get 2/3 of the touches (when healthy) and MB3 1/3. That means, JJ gets 20 touches and MB3 gets 10 touches, as MLBrandow stated. Now if Thompson comes on a bit more, he might eat into JJ's touches a bit. Maybe 5 per game.JJ will be the first and second down back. MB3 will be the 3rd down back. TT will get a series or two. This is the exact same thing that Parcells said he wanted to do a year ago. There is no change in what BP wants to do. He's just getting more comfortable with the pieces he has to run that system. And, if JJ gets hurt, he'll have guys more ready to replace him. Signed, a big cowboy fan who is sitting out the year of FF.
 
If Parcells gave the keys to MBIII, I think he's a top 20 back without question and a 3 down back as well.

 

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