Job Dilemma (1 Viewer)

[MattFancy]

So I usually would never do this, but I'm just interested to get some outside opinions on this.

I was offered a job with a new company yesterday. It's very similar to the work I'm doing now, so it won't be too much of a learning curve. I heard about this job from a buddy/old co-worker who asked if I would be interested. I told him sure why not and sent him my resume. I got a call from the manager who gave me a brief run down of the job and asked if I would be interested in it, I again said sure and she told me to go online and apply for the position. I did all this figuring it wouldn't hurt to listen and see what they have to say. Well the wrench in all of this is that I never got to listen to what they have to say and ask my questions. Yesterday afternoon, I received an offer from them. The thing is, it's a 20% increase in what I'm currently making now.

I've been with my current company for almost 3.5 years now. No real issues or complaints and they've treated me pretty well. Since I've been here, I've been promoted once and my pay has gone up 40%, including a 5% raise just last week. But, how do I turn down a 20% pay increase?

I guess the thing that really has me off guard is that I got an offer letter with a start date without ever being interviewed for the job. There were so many questions I had ready to ask them and now they want a response to the offer letter in 3 days. Anyone else ever receive an offer letter from a company without being interviewed?

 

[DaVinci]

The manager called you.  Is that not an interview?

FWIW, I've gotten 3 jobs with the government in the last 6 years without an interview.  I don't think that's normal though.

 

[cockroach]

There was a thread yesterday that you should read.  I'll edit my post and add it.

But to answer your question.  You need to give a call to that manager and tell him to pump the brakes. There's a lot more you need to know about the company and position before you're able to accept the offer.  Be upfront and honest, with BOTH employers.... that 5% raise you just got could easily get doubled+.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/745139-percentage-wise-what-type-of-raise-to-leave-a-job-you-like/#comment-19291230

Lots of relevant opinions there

 

[MattFancy]

The manager called you.  Is that not an interview?

FWIW, I've gotten 3 jobs with the government in the last 6 years without an interview.  I don't think that's normal though.

In a way I guess so. Most jobs, someone has reached out to me to give a brief overview of the position and ask if I'm interested. I say sure and then they schedule an actual interview with team members and go over things in more detail and ask questions of me. The only question they asked me was if I would be interested.

There was a thread yesterday that you should read.  I'll edit my post and add it.

But to answer your question.  You need to give a call to that manager and tell him to pump the brakes. There's a lot more you need to know about the company and position before you're able to accept the offer.  Be upfront and honest, with BOTH employers.... that 5% raise you just got could easily get doubled+.

I have all intentions of reaching back out to them today. It just completely caught me off guard that they sent me an offer letter with a start date without even asking when I could start or knowing anything about me outside of what my resume says.

And I'm definitely going to talk to my current manager to see if there's any way they can match or come close to the salary I'm being offered. I do like it here, but an extra 20% a year would be really nice. So I'm hoping they can bump me up some more.

I also have another friend who previously worked for the company and she does not have good things to say. Sounds like they are a total disaster, but they do pay well. So that is weighing on my decision now as well.

 

[belljr]

Sounds like they are a dumpster fire and in need of immediate help....

 

[shadyridr]

Just call the hiring manager and ask him your questions over the phone. 

 

[MattFancy]

Sounds like they are a dumpster fire and in need of immediate help....

That's what I'm worried about. My buddy that works there now was telling me that they needed help and that things were crazy over there. I just assumed they were really busy. But it sounds like they may be really busy because a bunch of people have been leaving because of the poor leadership.

 

[xulf]

Ask new company for more money of they are desperate.  Get that up to 30%+.

 

[Thorpe]

I would ask the new company for even more money.  You could also show your current company the offer you have, and see if they'll match it.  

Questioning the hiring manager is not going to do a lot of good IMO, because they aren't going to say anything to dissuade you.

You need to question your friend in detail.  They may be jumping at the chance to hire you because you aren't asking for too much money, you come recommended, and they don't have to pay a headhunter.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Its pretty obvious they respect your friend as an employee. I would hope he respects you enough that he wouldnt tell you about a job at a company that sucks. I'd tell then that you need a bit more money. 

 

[Megaton]

The stress and instability of working for crappy management does not sound all that appealing, even with the additional money.  

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The stress and instability of working for crappy management does not sound all that appealing, even with the additional money.  

Nothing worse than working for terrible management. Unless the money is a huge game changer for you, I'd just try to leverage the offer into an additional raise in your current position.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

+1 for get more information.  Seems like a big yellow flag that they'd hire you without any true due diligence.  Companies that handle hiring badly often handle everything else badly too.

 

[The Big Guy]

Talk to your friend as well that still works there and ask bluntly about the job and life of someone working there. I have friends who have gotten people hired into things that blew but did it because he was getting a referral bonus for getting someone hired.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

What field?

I'd want to know more before taking the offer.  What kind of benefits?  Work / life balance? Long term prospects vs where you're at?

I'm sure the money is nice but if you're in a great situation it may be worth staying

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Not trying to be an ###, but I don't see why you jus don't.

1. Call the manager you spoke with on the phone, and ask any additional questions you need answered before making a decision on the offer.

Or...

2. If you don't feel comfortable calling the manager back, or that person isn't available in the timeframe you have to make a decision, call your buddy (who I assume works there) and see if they can answer your questions.

 

[MattFancy]

Not trying to be an ###, but I don't see why you jus don't.

1. Call the manager you spoke with on the phone, and ask any additional questions you need answered before making a decision on the offer.

Or...

2. If you don't feel comfortable calling the manager back, or that person isn't available in the timeframe you have to make a decision, call your buddy (who I assume works there) and see if they can answer your questions.

I'm doing those things. I was just trying to get some outside perspective. At first glance, there were some red flags for me about all this. It seems like the consensus in here is that people have the same questions I do about the whole thing.