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Job offer (ETA: that never was), conflicted on what to do. (1 Viewer)

We all have our own internal calculus regarding what we want out of our careers, it is really up to you to balance that out. While it varies per industry, you absolutely can be less marketable by staying with one company too long. 

Do you feel good about the company and their vision? Will you be giving the right tools to allow you to be successful? Do you think you would enjoying working for your new boss and will he have your back when needed? Will the few years of sacrifice you make now in terms of hours, travel and stress have enough of a chance to pay off handsomely for you and your family?

I will tell you this, if you are able to pull this job off you can right your ticket in terms of career opportunities after 3 years. You can't hit the ball out of the park unless you swing.
I like this quote, i hope you don't mind if i use it (with proper credit to you of course).

 
Do not do this he is your boss first and foremost.  We call this a career limiting move.  
He is most certainly a friend, I'd expect an honest and thought out response from him. He is very sharp & his honest opinion will be heavily considered. 

 
Would you have a private office where your slutty secretary could come in, brush everything off your desk, lay down, hike up her skirt and just start writhing, begging you to mount her?

How many vacation days?

Good coffee?

What about those pods that companies have nowadays where you can get away for 20 minutes to meditate or take a catnap?

Just throwing out some stuff that hasn't been mentioned.

 
So there is a plus/minus with the above and these are both important pieces of the equation. 

Minus - not a lot of growth for me. My boss is very happy and I don't see him going anywhere, if he doesn't, not much advancement for me. 

Plus - I love my boss. I doubt I'll ever have a relationship with any boss like I currently do. He is my boy, we text out of the office on non-work stuff pretty frequently, we shoot the #### more than we talk work, he never gives me ####, and I always deliver what is asked for. Having such an awesome relationship with my boss is going to be hard to let go of. 
Stay.

 
Would you have a private office where your slutty secretary could come in, brush everything off your desk, lay down, hike up her skirt and just start writhing, begging you to mount her?

How many vacation days?

Good coffee?

What about those pods that companies have nowadays where you can get away for 20 minutes to meditate or take a catnap?

Just throwing out some stuff that hasn't been mentioned.
Unfortunately no to the secretary, although if I do well for the company, maybe down the road I can have them budget for it. 

Current company has unlimited vacation days, two cold brew kegs, two actual kegs, & multiple catnap rooms.

Recently we got one of these too, http://bevi.co/ - I love this thing. 

In all seriousness, it is moving from a mature established company to an unheard of. Perks are def much better where I currently am.

 
Scrutinize any bonus plans.  Some companies routinely pay a high percentage of the bonus because the #'s are attainable, while others hardly pay out at all because it's such a stretch #.  Biggest ? in most comp plans.  Can look good on paper but....

 
Without knowing all the exact details of the new company and pay, I'd say to stay with the sure thing. You make good money, great work/life balance, etc. Sounds like the only pro with the new job is money and your life could then suck. Money means nothing if stress gives you a heart attack in a few years.

Get your wife on a budget or a side job if her spending is an issue.

Can you work for your current job from a cheaper location away from NY?

 
Took a similar position 14 yrs ago and hated it. Promises were not kept. I left after barely more than a year. 

Ended up having the chance to go back to my old company for even more money than when I left, or go to another company with a better reputation and platform for perceived less money. Took the 2nd option and have been thrilled ever since. It turned out to be more money anyhow 

I would judge my choice by which company has the best management. End of story

 
Unfortunately no to the secretary, although if I do well for the company, maybe down the road I can have them budget for it. 

Current company has unlimited vacation days, two cold brew kegs, two actual kegs, & multiple catnap rooms.

Recently we got one of these too, http://bevi.co/ - I love this thing. 

In all seriousness, it is moving from a mature established company to an unheard of. Perks are def much better where I currently am.
I swear i grew up in the wrong era.  Our parents had three martini lunches, the millennials get to bring their dogs to work and unlimited snacks.  My generation just put our heads down and worked.  

 
Unfortunately no to the secretary, although if I do well for the company, maybe down the road I can have them budget for it. 

Current company has unlimited vacation days, two cold brew kegs, two actual kegs, & multiple catnap rooms.

Recently we got one of these too, http://bevi.co/ - I love this thing. 

In all seriousness, it is moving from a mature established company to an unheard of. Perks are def much better where I currently am.
Stay put imo. But I'm a fake project manager who "works" from home about 10 real hours per week and already stoned right now. 

 
Unfortunately no to the secretary, although if I do well for the company, maybe down the road I can have them budget for it. 

Current company has unlimited vacation days, two cold brew kegs, two actual kegs, & multiple catnap rooms.

Recently we got one of these too, http://bevi.co/ - I love this thing. 

In all seriousness, it is moving from a mature established company to an unheard of. Perks are def much better where I currently am.
Based on this, I'd stay

 
One year instead of coaching JV soccer, they wanted me to be an assitant on varsity. Met with the head coach and was assured $4,000 to be assistant with funds coming from booster club. JV pays around 5,000 but experience with Varsity and less responsibilities was attractive. I took the gig. 

End of the season dinner comes and Coach gives me two checks. One for 1,000 from the booster club and one for 1,000 from his own pocket. At that point, not much I could do. 

Went back to JV last year.

 
Little surprised that the #3 person in command isn't already someone they know or someone they work with in their business field. 

I get using LinkedIn to hire a mid-level position, but a high level executive seems to be a red flag.  

 
Maybe I missed what it is you do, specifically, but is it something you can freelance out?

It sounds to me as if you're restless/bored at your current workplace and want to explore, mix it up, and get more loot while you're at it.  Could you potentially do consulting/freelancing on the side for the extra coin? You'd likely stimulate the restless part of you that craves new work experiences, new professional contacts, and money, while still retaining the security of your current job.

If it IS time to move on, though, don't second-guess your decision. Job security's nice, but it's become rarer and rarer, and it isn't everything anyway. 

 
I earn a comfortable living. If I did what I did for the next 25 years, I could retire in my late 50's with a very nice nest egg, and live without much financial stress in the interim. 

If I advanced from where I am, I could prob chop at least 5 (maybe more) years off of retirement age, have a much larger nest egg, and live an extremely lavish lifestyle. 

I've been in the same role for almost 6 years, IDK, maybe it is time for a change. 
So you're 30?

Unfortunately no to the secretary, although if I do well for the company, maybe down the road I can have them budget for it. 

Current company has unlimited vacation days, two cold brew kegs, two actual kegs, & multiple catnap rooms.

Recently we got one of these too, http://bevi.co/ - I love this thing. 

In all seriousness, it is moving from a mature established company to an unheard of. Perks are def much better where I currently am.
####. 

I really am in the wrong business. 

 
Just to recap -

current job - boss you like and respects you, great perks, good work, reasonable hours, and it seems you enjoy it.

Other job - might pay more. new challenge. Lacks the rest.

I'd stay.

 
It sounds like you don't appreciate everything you have. I would stay. Then again I'm still unemployed and bitter.

 
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Maybe I missed what it is you do, specifically, but is it something you can freelance out?

It sounds to me as if you're restless/bored at your current workplace and want to explore, mix it up, and get more loot while you're at it.  Could you potentially do consulting/freelancing on the side for the extra coin? You'd likely stimulate the restless part of you that craves new work experiences, new professional contacts, and money, while still retaining the security of your current job.

If it IS time to move on, though, don't second-guess your decision. Job security's nice, but it's become rarer and rarer, and it isn't everything anyway. 
No freelancing/consulting allowed per my employee contract. I work in a hybrid sales/sales management role that encompasses technology/data/media.

So you're 30?

####. 

I really am in the wrong business. 
Early-mid 30's

Just to recap -

current job - boss you like and respects you, great perks, good work, reasonable hours, and it seems you enjoy it.

Other job - might pay more. new challenge. Lacks the rest.

I'd stay.
Other job, probably a 1/3-1/5 chance to pick up a huge payday down the road with the equity. Also, much more leadership responsibilities and a potential opportunity to further my career - this new company works in a niche space of an industry my current company has a broad reach in - likely why my experience and our processes are so valuable to them.

Do they kind of look down on you if you actually use the catnap room? Do people abuse it? 
True story, during a time period when my first son was born, I was constantly tired, just exhausted everyday. This was a different office location (same company) & we had this room at the corner of the office - unfortunately it was all glass and everyone could see into it. Anyways, there was a huge bean bag chair in this room and I would nap on it almost daily. Our SVP started calling the room the "FC Lounge"... That was his not so subtle way of saying "stop ####### napping in that room."

 
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If you stay with your current job, you can buy Rangers season tickets

If you change, you might be able to buy the luxury box

Seems like a simple answer to me

Seriously though, I would stay. I dont know how you business types do it. Managing risk vs reward. Good luck whatever you do
my take too kind of.  I always went for the luxury box but you aren't me.  keep putting the checks & minuses beside each & percent of importance.  Sincerely good luck.

 
okay, new take on this:

you take the new job.

you make a butt load of more money.

you are now in demand & on the road in the finest hotels.

your young secretary & you have an affair.  she threatens to tell your wife unless you fulfill your promise to marry her.   your wife finds out.  She divorces you & takes pretty much everything you have.

you are now reduced to a shell of your former self & have a severe alcohol & drug problem.

the end.

hopefully you find some humor in this or I wasted 6 minutes of my life.

 
Trust your gut FC. You seem like a pretty bright guy (a little flaky at times, but bright). If something doesn't smell right, there's probably something rotten just under the surface. 

 
I had expected an offer by last night, interesting, still nothing... This is like the girl who you can prob date, but you know you can date her, and she knows it, so she holds out to make you want her more. 

 
Once I have an offer in writing, as crazy as it sounds, the input I would value the most is probably from my boss. Having a relationship where we can speak off the record is invaluable. 

Having a relationship with my boss the way it is is probably my biggest reason for wanting to stay. 
sleep with your boss

 
Despite the well documented positives at your current job, you will be in demand even if the new gig fails. 

I would seriously vet the company, its viability, its leadership/management, their revenue model, and the written offer. Have an informed list of must-haves, one being the shares vest immediately in the event of a sale or IPO. Talk to your CPA and a lawyer if it gets serious.

You can always say no; it's the most powerful position you have. GL. 

 
No offer yet means you aren't the only candidate and likely not the first choice.

Also, studies have found that companies with unlimited vacation days tend to have the majority take NO vaca, as the employees don't want to look like slackers to their peers.

 
A little closure on this thread as I never provided details.

A lesson also learned by me.

I never received the offer, I also never followed-up. This opportunity didn't feel right and I had made the decision I was going to stay at my current company regardless after a lot of deep thought, but not receiving the offer did make me want it a little more. 

I might follow-up to see what the issue was or why they didn't hire me, we had detailed compensation discussions, I'd hope they didn't make me an offer bc my financial demands were too high, but who knows. 

Simple lesson, don't get your chickens before the eggs hatch.

 

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