Jobs and cost of employees playing FF (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

According to a report by global outplacement consultancy Challenger, Gray and Christmas Inc. in August, the cost to employers for paying unproductive workers logged into fantasy Web sites was estimated as high as $1.1 billion each week of the NFL season.

Marco Rosales, 29, said his new job has banned fantasy football Web sites from Internet access.

"It kind of stinks because I can't make transactions during the day," Rosales said. "But the good thing is I have Sprint, which has a deal with the NFL, and I can stay plugged in if there's any news with my cell phone."

Rosales was on South Beach, not far from where ESPN was shooting SportsCenter. He was wearing a Peyton Manning jersey, hoping to run into one of the players on his fantasy team.

"I used to be just a Dolphins fan," Rosales said. "But when they started to stink, I signed up for fantasy football. Now, I know all about all the players and teams. My wife hates to be around me on Sundays because all I do is watch football. I feel guilty for about five seconds. Then, the game comes back on and it's all good."

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660192597,00.html

That seems high to me but

 

[-OZ-]

Employee morale is high. That's worth $1.1 Billion, right?

 

[JohnnyU]

It's an addiction that will eventually lead to all employers blocking FF sites. They will make it their mission to find out all FF sites on the Internet, and that includes this one. As much as I like FF, if I was in control of what sites my employees can visit, I would make sure they don't waste company time on FF. I would expect their minds to be on work not play.

 

[nerangers]

I am the IT manager at my company, and was informed three years ago to block sites used for Fantasy Football (i.e. Yahoo). We actually have a Fantasy Football League at work, and changed our rules accordingly so no transactions would need to take place at work. It was not as fun since we took away transaction fees (increased our initial fee, and limited number of online transactions) so money would not need to be exchanging hands at work. We use none of the resources at work (i.e. email addresses, internet access, etc). We try to keep the trash talk to a minimum while not on breaks, etc. The funny thing is we seemed to have a representative from every department in the company. Could have been used as a great team building event!

Bri, I think that number could be correct if you include all the football talk that takes place at the workplace during the season. I always cringe when someone comes into my office and is talking football to me and then my boss walks by. Shoot even my Vendors on the phone usually will ask me how my teams are doing! lol

 

[Tag]

NMCI runs my internet at work and they have blocked the message boards here at FBG but for some reason Im able to get into the message boards at FFtoday. I can also go to all my myfantasy league dynasty sites.

 

[msommer]

I am the IT manager at my company, and was informed three years ago to block sites used for Fantasy Football (i.e. Yahoo). We actually have a Fantasy Football League at work, and changed our rules accordingly so no transactions would need to take place at work. It was not as fun since we took away transaction fees (increased our initial fee, and limited number of online transactions) so money would not need to be exchanging hands at work. We use none of the resources at work (i.e. email addresses, internet access, etc). We try to keep the trash talk to a minimum while not on breaks, etc. The funny thing is we seemed to have a representative from every department in the company. Could have been used as a great team building event! Bri, I think that number could be correct if you include all the football talk that takes place at the workplace during the season. I always cringe when someone comes into my office and is talking football to me and then my boss walks by. Shoot even my Vendors on the phone usually will ask me how my teams are doing! lol

GB being in a fantasy league with the boss of my boss! Guess who I'm watching SB with tonight

 

[Liquid Tension]

Employee morale is high. That's worth $1.1 Billion, right?

I run a nationwide company and I have created a work league that includes some of our vendors/customers. Hourly workers do not have access to a computer throughout the day, but the managers do. Managers are not 9-5 workers so I am more concerned with the job getting done and if they want to take out some time to check in on whatever personal issues they have, I am OK with it. Again, it is about the output and quality of work the person puts forth. I don't want to hear that they didn't have time for something though, so I would expect people to work through the night if they needed to complete a project or whatever.in general, a happy employee will give you more when you need it and they will take more pride in what they do. There is always a balance and reading online is no different than talking by the water cooler

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's an addiction that will eventually lead to all employers blocking FF sites. They will make it their mission to find out all FF sites on the Internet, and that includes this one. As much as I like FF, if I was in control of what sites my employees can visit, I would make sure they don't waste company time on FF. I would expect their minds to be on work not play.

As long as people get their job done its not a big deal. The human mind needs a break every 2 hours or so to be able to remain productive throughout the day.

 

[CalBear]

I think it's a load of hooey. It's like the software publishers claiming that piracy costs them $2 billion a year or whatever; they are starting with an incorrect assumption, which is that without the phenomenon, the people would be 100% productive/the software would be 100% purchased.

People can't be productive 100% of the day, and the social networking opportunities of fantasy football are important to business. What difference does it make whether it's talking trash on a fantasy board or talking trash around the water cooler?

 

[Slider]

Same old story. I guess bathrooms cause 2 billion. Coffee pots 3 billion. Water coolers 1.5 billion.

 

[Domination]

I think that most employers would prefer not to see you looking at FF websites, but I don't think it matters whether you are looking at FF, vacations, electronics, etc. I see people all the time shopping and dooing all sorts of thing s along with fantasy sports online. IMO it is all relative to the work being accomplished. If the work gets done in a timely manner, and at a high level than I don't think that it should be an issue. I guess it is all dependant on the individual, and their personal work habits. I agree that everyone needs a break during the work day, and if FF is the way that you want to get your mind off of work, then it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[radballs]

I think $1.1 Billion per week is low.

What percent of just the U.S. population plays FF? Let's start with 20%. 300 million*20% = 60 million people

What percent of that 20% has internet access to a computer at work? Say 75% since I strongly believe that people who play FF are generally better educated, have higher paying jobs, and have greater access to the internet at work. So, 45 million people who play FF have internet access at work.

Let's say that the average FF player with computer access at work spends 15 minutes per day on FF and assume that he/she earns $20/hour.

45 million*1.25 hours per week*$20/hour = $1.125 Billion per week in lost productivity

Sure, I may have massaged some of the numbers to fit their figure but it's not an outrageous amount.

 

[AcerFC]

My work blocked me from fantasy for a while (allowed it after a month or two) so my wife bought me a sidekick (pda with Internet) so I could make transactions and follow the league. People will always find alternate ways to follow the league and info

 

[radballs]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

 

[Christo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

 

[Christo]

I think $1.1 Billion per week is low.

What percent of just the U.S. population plays FF? Let's start with 20%. 300 million*20% = 60 million people

What percent of that 20% has internet access to a computer at work? Say 75% since I strongly believe that people who play FF are generally better educated, have higher paying jobs, and have greater access to the internet at work. So, 45 million people who play FF have internet access at work.

Let's say that the average FF player with computer access at work spends 15 minutes per day on FF and assume that he/she earns $20/hour.

45 million*1.25 hours per week*$20/hour = $1.125 Billion per week in lost productivity

Sure, I may have massaged some of the numbers to fit their figure but it's not an outrageous amount.

There's the flaw in the logic. Most highly educated people have jobs with salaries rather than an hourly wage. Therefore, the employer "loses" nothing.

 

[lions327]

I wonder how many will respond to this post during the week, on company time?

 

[Christo]

I wonder how many will respond to this post during the week, on company time?

Who cares?

 

[-OZ-]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

if an hourly employee is doing it, I'll agree. Those of us on salary who have to work until the job is done anyway - not an issue. The only problem might be telling the wife you have to work late and miss dinner, when you've spent 3 hours on FBG's.

 

[Nugget]

When I'm in the office, I have 15 hours of work per week. When I'm on the road, I have 70 hours of work per week. Fantasy football at the officce has to be fit in between shooting baskets, 2 hour lunches, and putting contests.

 

[GregR_2]

My experience suggests that there are greater savings to be had by banning bone-headed morale-killing management decisions than there are in banning access to FF sites.

In my group I'm probably the only one who surfs FF sites, and I generally do it while I'm waiting for a query to run, while my coworkers surf CNN and other news sites. But all of us ##### equally about the idiotic things management does.

Why not go for the lower hanging fruit first?

 

[lions327]

My experience suggests that there are greater savings to be had by banning bone-headed morale-killing management decisions than there are in banning access to FF sites.In my group I'm probably the only one who surfs FF sites, and I generally do it while I'm waiting for a query to run, while my coworkers surf CNN and other news sites. But all of us ##### equally about the idiotic things management does.Why not go for the lower hanging fruit first?

 

[cws3030]

myspace.com is a far larger problem for companies

 

[lions327]

myspace.com is a far larger problem for companies

So is E-bay.

 

[coolnerd]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

 

[Christo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

 

[-OZ-]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

yep. now, does the employer care if he A. "works" 40 hours a week or B. 50 and surfs FF for 10?

 

[noneother]

I use a personal cell for emails for FF talking... and sometimes use that phone to post here too... there are ways to get around it... and if not, I would come later in the day, usually 630, and leave earlier, usually 430..

and we talk about football at lunch, and at coffee, and before meetings.. i imagine people talked about sports well before PCs and FF got into the work place...

just cause we have a method to measure nowadays... not much is different than before...

people die of all new types of diseases now too.. not cause these diseases are new... just that people live longer now due to other medical advances, just to get these 'new' diseases...

 

[radballs]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really. I'm not saying I don't do it as well, but don't kid yourself by saying that your employer loses nothing simply because you're salaried. I'm salaried too but any time spent doing anything other than my work is simply more work that I could have gotten done. Not trying to be holier than thou or anything but the employer is losing something if he has to employ one additional person in order to get the work done that the other 20 guys aren't getting done when they're doing FF stuff.

 

[coolnerd]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

I am guessing your employer would rather not pay whatever extra costs that are associated with you hanging around that office 45 hours a week when you could finished the job in 38. Those costs may or may not be significant or override your improved morale because you can mess around on the computer. That's for you and your employer to figure out. My point is that because you can take 45-50 a week at your job to complete the task does not mean either that you should or that your employer wants you to do so.

 

[Da Guru]

How can anyone put a figure on a stat like that?? It is absurd.

Maybe the employee is happier after making a WW move that he/she produces more than they normally would.

 

[Tau837]

I am in the office every day for 9-10 hours and only go out to lunch 1-2 times per week. I'd say I spend about an hour per day on things other than work, including fantasy football. So my employer still gets what it is paying for, even without counting the 10+ hours per week I spend working at home, at nights and on weekends.

The bottom line is that I get paid a good salary, with an expectation that I will handle a workload that requires more than 40 hours per week, and I do that, delivering quality work. So my employer is losing nothing.

On the contrary, my employer actually gains from this, because (a) my morale is better because I am able to take those mental breaks during the workday and (b) I would spend less time in the office every day if I was unable to take those breaks and instead focused only on work all day. Someone implied above that an employer may not want an employee in the office for 5 extra hours. I suppose there could be some validity to that, but my being in the office longer makes me more readily available to my boss, my employees, and my customers for a longer period every day.

Now, I'm sure that there are plenty of jobs where there is a cost to non-work activities, including fantasy football. But there are plenty, like mine, in which there is no cost. I suspect studies like these tend to lump it all together, which provides a false estimate of the true cost.

And I also agree with the notion that people will find something else if it isn't fantasy football. If that leads to people not getting enough work done, frankly that is a management problem.

Incidentally, I have 32 people who work for me. By and large, they do good work. I have 3-4 people who aren't very productive, but none of them play fantasy football. One guy does have an internet problem, and it is with myspace.

 

[Christo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

Ah, but you're talking about rate while I'm talking about total productivity. My employer pays me the same whether it takes me 8 or 10 or 12 hours to do my job. I'd agree with you if I was paid an hourly wage, but I'm not.

 

[Christo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

I am guessing your employer would rather not pay whatever extra costs that are associated with you hanging around that office 45 hours a week when you could finished the job in 38. Those costs may or may not be significant or override your improved morale because you can mess around on the computer. That's for you and your employer to figure out. My point is that because you can take 45-50 a week at your job to complete the task does not mean either that you should or that your employer wants you to do so.

What extra costs are associated with me hanging around the office 45 hours a week instead of 38? No guessing, I want facts.

 

[Marauder]

All I know is, we had a FF league in our office long before we had internet access and I'm sure we lost just as much time (if not more) standing around talking about it and even before we had the FF league, we used to spend the time standing around talking about sports or women or whatever.

I can't speak for other people, but I know that if I was willing to work straight through for 8 hours a day I could probably spend 10-15 less hours at the office per week than I do but I honestly don't think I would do as good a job. I don't think the human mind can focus on one thing for that long. I believe that taking frequent breaks and staying in the office later gives my employer a better product and I that is the way I have worked since long before we had internet access or FF leagues.

 

[Tau837]

All I know is, we had a FF league in our office long before we had internet access and I'm sure we lost just as much time (if not more) standing around talking about it and even before we had the FF league, we used to spend the time standing around talking about sports or women or whatever.I can't speak for other people, but I know that if I was willing to work straight through for 8 hours a day I could probably spend 10-15 less hours at the office per week than I do but I honestly don't think I would do as good a job. I don't think the human mind can focus on one thing for that long. I believe that taking frequent breaks and staying in the office later gives my employer a better product and I that is the way I have worked since long before we had internet access or FF leagues.

 

[Bevo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

Same here. And based on salary and bonuses I will hazard a guess that my employer is very happy with the quality and quantity of my work.

 

[Da Guru]

I just thought about..since I am self employed I am screwing myself.

I am costing myself money everytime I go on this site. :(

 

[radballs]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

Ah, but you're talking about rate while I'm talking about total productivity. My employer pays me the same whether it takes me 8 or 10 or 12 hours to do my job. I'd agree with you if I was paid an hourly wage, but I'm not.

An employer hires 10 employees on the assumption that their total combined work load requires 100 man hours per day. So each of these people work 10 hours a day, but it turns out that each of them on average wastes an hour a day online doing non-work related activities. So, really it only takes 90 man hours per day to get the job done. The employer would be able to reduce his payroll by 10% by not allowing this kind of behavior and only keeping 9 people on staff, right? How does it matter whether they're salaried or paid by the hour. Please explain how this isn't correct.Now, one could talk about the morale issue as well but I'm just solely trying to focus on total productivity given the work that could be done with people and total man hours required to get the job done.

 

[-OZ-]

What extra costs are associated with me hanging around the office 45 hours a week instead of 38? No guessing, I want facts.

Perhaps he's worried about the extra electricity used by keeping the lights on an extra 7 hours?

 

[-OZ-]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

Ah, but you're talking about rate while I'm talking about total productivity. My employer pays me the same whether it takes me 8 or 10 or 12 hours to do my job. I'd agree with you if I was paid an hourly wage, but I'm not.

An employer hires 10 employees on the assumption that their total combined work load requires 100 man hours per day. So each of these people work 10 hours a day, but it turns out that each of them on average wastes an hour a day online doing non-work related activities. So, really it only takes 90 man hours per day to get the job done. The employer would be able to reduce his payroll by 10% by not allowing this kind of behavior and only keeping 9 people on staff, right? How does it matter whether they're salaried or paid by the hour. Please explain how this isn't correct.Now, one could talk about the morale issue as well but I'm just solely trying to focus on total productivity given the work that could be done with people and total man hours required to get the job done.

so you're assuming each person would do extra work for those 10 hours. Doesn't always work that way. I'm specialized in one field, while others are doing another. No overlap. You also seem to be assuming a person works 9-5. Few of us do, we generally work until the job is done.

 

[Bevo]

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really. I'm not saying I don't do it as well, but don't kid yourself by saying that your employer loses nothing simply because you're salaried. I'm salaried too but any time spent doing anything other than my work is simply more work that I could have gotten done. Not trying to be holier than thou or anything but the employer is losing something if he has to employ one additional person in order to get the work done that the other 20 guys aren't getting done when they're doing FF stuff.

I think you are missing something. My employer pays me to finish project X in Y amount of time. I can work on that project "at work", "at home", or anywhere I else I so desire as long as I bring that finished project to them Y amount of time or less. Now, explain to me how I am stealing from my employer when I finish the work given to me on time or (usually) earlier.

 

[Bevo]

I just thought about..since I am self employed I am screwing myself.I am costing myself money everytime I go on this site. :(

You should really consider firing your self and hiring an illegal immigrant to do your former job!

 

[radballs]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

Ah, but you're talking about rate while I'm talking about total productivity. My employer pays me the same whether it takes me 8 or 10 or 12 hours to do my job. I'd agree with you if I was paid an hourly wage, but I'm not.

An employer hires 10 employees on the assumption that their total combined work load requires 100 man hours per day. So each of these people work 10 hours a day, but it turns out that each of them on average wastes an hour a day online doing non-work related activities. So, really it only takes 90 man hours per day to get the job done. The employer would be able to reduce his payroll by 10% by not allowing this kind of behavior and only keeping 9 people on staff, right? How does it matter whether they're salaried or paid by the hour. Please explain how this isn't correct.Now, one could talk about the morale issue as well but I'm just solely trying to focus on total productivity given the work that could be done with people and total man hours required to get the job done.

so you're assuming each person would do extra work for those 10 hours. Doesn't always work that way. I'm specialized in one field, while others are doing another. No overlap. You also seem to be assuming a person works 9-5. Few of us do, we generally work until the job is done.

Assume that they're all sales people selling the identical widget and they're all in the same office in front of their computers. As the employer, you need 90 man hours each day to get the work done. Under my scenario it took either 10 people working 9 hours while spending one hour on the computer or a 9 person staff actually working the entire time they're at work. Right?

 

[Genester]

My experience suggests that there are greater savings to be had by banning bone-headed morale-killing management decisions than there are in banning access to FF sites.

Amen! I applaud the points already made in this thread - specifically about restrooms, coffee breaks, water coolers, and other points not already made - e.g. childcare, bring your dog to work, nice cafeteria food, etc. The companies that thrive and lead this world know the best way to stay on top is to have a motivated work force with high morale, not to maximize the number of minutes they spend on company business. A motivated employee can do more in 2 hours than a disillusioned one can do in days. Work time is ONE variable that decides employee productivity, not THE variable that determines it.

 

[radballs]

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really. I'm not saying I don't do it as well, but don't kid yourself by saying that your employer loses nothing simply because you're salaried. I'm salaried too but any time spent doing anything other than my work is simply more work that I could have gotten done. Not trying to be holier than thou or anything but the employer is losing something if he has to employ one additional person in order to get the work done that the other 20 guys aren't getting done when they're doing FF stuff.

I think you are missing something. My employer pays me to finish project X in Y amount of time. I can work on that project "at work", "at home", or anywhere I else I so desire as long as I bring that finished project to them Y amount of time or less. Now, explain to me how I am stealing from my employer when I finish the work given to me on time or (usually) earlier.

So, you're a contractor then? Otherwise, couldn't the employer assign you additional projects during the time that you're deciding to take LT with the first overall pick? Do you renegotiate what your price is going to be for each project X? Does the employer have an inflated value of the cost of each project that you complete if it could be done by someone else at a slightly lower cost but who does not work as productively as you?

 

[Christo]

LOL at all the FF addicts in this thread that justify stealing from their employers by getting paid for goofing off.

I'm paid a salary. My bonus is based upon my productivity. I work until my job is done. How is that stealing?

You job still has an hourly cost. It really does not matter whether the math your employer does is $20 * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $41,600 or tells you I will pay $42,000 a year and get the job done.

That's nice. Now can you explain how I'm "stealing" from my employer or how my productvity is reduced.

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

Ah, but you're talking about rate while I'm talking about total productivity. My employer pays me the same whether it takes me 8 or 10 or 12 hours to do my job. I'd agree with you if I was paid an hourly wage, but I'm not.

An employer hires 10 employees on the assumption that their total combined work load requires 100 man hours per day. So each of these people work 10 hours a day, but it turns out that each of them on average wastes an hour a day online doing non-work related activities. So, really it only takes 90 man hours per day to get the job done. The employer would be able to reduce his payroll by 10% by not allowing this kind of behavior and only keeping 9 people on staff, right? How does it matter whether they're salaried or paid by the hour. Please explain how this isn't correct.Now, one could talk about the morale issue as well but I'm just solely trying to focus on total productivity given the work that could be done with people and total man hours required to get the job done.

My employer hires me on the assumption that I will get the job done. I work until the work is done, no matter how long that takes. So, really it takes the amount of time it takes per day to get the job done. The only way for my employer to reduce his payroll is to fire me, right? It matters quite a lot to my employer that I'm paid a salary rather than by the hour. Please explain how this isn't correct.Now, one could talk about the morale issue as well but I'm just solely trying to focus on total productivity given the work that I do and the fact that my employer doesn't care how much time it takes per day to get the job done.

 

[Genester]

Your productivity is reduced when you're not doing your job. Pretty simple concept really.

I disagree. There's not a linear relationship between productivity and time at work. Just because someone spends X hours at work doesn't mean he/she is more productive than someone who spends X-2 hours at work. Conversely, as already pointed out, I might be spending X+2 hours at work, of which 2 are FF related.I am not trying to justify doing personal stuff at work, what I am saying is that most astute employers realize there's some amount of "personal" business one will carry out during business hours. I contend you can never prevent all of it - the goal ought to be to eliminate the outright abuses while enhancing morale to maximize personal productivity.Based on my experience in a large company, I will suggest that eliminating unneeded (but work-related) meetings and e-mails would by far blow away any productivity improvements from banning any other activity at work.

 

[Christo]

What extra costs are associated with me hanging around the office 45 hours a week instead of 38? No guessing, I want facts.

Perhaps he's worried about the extra electricity used by keeping the lights on an extra 7 hours?

My employer isn't. It pays a pro rata share of the monthly utilities for the entire building based upon square footage.

 

[noneother]

so this article, should qualify, "that only under perfect working conditions, with perfect morale, and flawless employees, does FF affect productivity"??