Joe Biden as a war president (1 Viewer)

[Gopher State]

Curious what FBG’S thoughts are if Biden has to lead us in a conflict/war.  He just put 8500 American troops on notice for possible deployment to Eastern Europe as tensions grow with Russia.  Add China, Iran, and North Korea to the mix it seems like just a matter of time before we are involved in some time of conflict.

history shows that dem presidents are better in leading us through war.

 

[rockaction]

history shows that dem presidents are better in leading us through war

That's a pretty big claim just thrown out there like that without any qualifiers about historical accident or scale or world temperament, etc. 

 

[HellToupee]

Has he demonstrated anything since becoming potus that gives you hope? 
 

“Don't underestimate Joe's ability to #%## things up."

-Barack Obama

 

[Max Power]

I remember when some media outlets predicted Trump would start a war to increase his approval ratings.   I wonder if they will cover these coming weeks in the same way...

 

[sho nuff]

I remember when some media outlets predicted Trump would start a war to increase his approval ratings.   I wonder if they will cover these coming weeks in the same way...

Do you believe that is what is happening?  Or just another way to complain about Biden and the media with Trump?

 

[Max Power]

Do you believe that is what is happening?  Or just another way to complain about Biden and the media with Trump?

More pointing out the glaring double standards.  If Joe Biden gets us into a war it wasn't on purpose. 

 

[lardonastick]

No, can't say I have much faith in him to be a good leader for the country, war or not.

 

[moleculo]

I remember when some media outlets predicted Trump would start a war to increase his approval ratings.   I wonder if they will cover these coming weeks in the same way...

I think it's a fair question.  The difference is, Trump was engaging in a lot of saber-rattling.  Remember the "rocket man" bit and all the fiery rhetoric WRT north Korea?  I don't believe Biden has said anything along those lines,
 

 

[moleculo]

I have faith in our Generals to do what they need to do.

 

[dawgtrails]

I remember when some media outlets predicted Trump would start a war to increase his approval ratings.   I wonder if they will cover these coming weeks in the same way...

I don't think starting a war would increase his approval ratings though

 

[Max Power]

I think it's a fair question.  The difference is, Trump was engaging in a lot of saber-rattling.  Remember the "rocket man" bit and all the fiery rhetoric WRT north Korea?  I don't believe Biden has said anything along those lines,
 

It deterred North Korea. Biden just happened to go off-script and say the quiet part out loud which is now causing escalated tensions in the region.  Do you think we're in the same boat today had Biden not said what he did?  

 

[Max Power]

I have faith in our Generals to do what they need to do.

Call the red team and give them a heads up?

ETA - This is only a shot at one general.  I do have a lot of faith in the rest. 

 

[The General]

The only wars we are starting these days is droning people who cannot hurt us...unless we get attacked first. If we get into war with China or Russia we screwed no matter who is in charge. Trump, Biden, Obama whoever in that situation is doing whatever the military tells them.

 

[tymarsas]

It deterred North Korea. Biden just happened to go off-script and say the quiet part out loud which is now causing escalated tensions in the region.  Do you think we're in the same boat today had Biden not said what he did?  

Yes. All of this was well on the way before Biden stuck his foot in his mouth.

 

[HellToupee]

Remind me , how much did the Ukraine pay the Biden’s again?

 

[Max Power]

The only wars we are starting these days is droning people who cannot hurt us...unless we get attacked first. If we get into war with China or Russia we screwed no matter who is in charge. Trump, Biden, Obama whoever in that situation is doing whatever the military tells them.

You are correct in that regard.  I have no desire to be deployed to another country to protect things there.  The next generation of warfare is already underway and it will be technologically and culturally based. 

 

[Max Power]

Yes. All of this was well on the way before Biden stuck his foot in his mouth.

Not nearly at this level.  This went from footnote to main event over a weekend. 

 

[tymarsas]

Not nearly at this level.  This went from footnote to main event over a weekend. 

This was inevitable since Putin lined up his military and started making demands. There were only 2 options: back down and let Putin get his way (Biden is weak) or back Ukraine (Biden gets us into another war). As mentioned in the Ukraine thread, I think this is a bluff by Putin. He won't start an open war with NATO. Backing Ukraine and getting Putin to back off is the right move imo.

Part of me thinks this is just a smokescreen to distract from what China is currently doing.

 

[Gopher State]

Feels like Biden has really gone to a tough/hardline position with Russia.  While not the same situation but reminds me of the Cuban crisis with Kennedy, someone has to blink Putin or Biden.

No matter what happens I have complete confidence in our military—best in the world— not that I want to put any of them in harms way.

 

[-fish-]

Biden has acted to actually acknowledge and follow the War Powers Act and not rely on open-ended Authorizations of Use of Military Force.  That puts him ahead of many Presidents already.   

 

[The General]

You are correct in that regard.  I have no desire to be deployed to another country to protect things there.  The next generation of warfare is already underway and it will be technologically and culturally based. 

Of all the hundreds of billions that are pouring into the military I hope the money going to this area is being spent well and is getting our top talent.

Take a fraction of the money we were throwing into the bottomless pit of Afghanistan and put in this area. 

 

[FairWarning]

Maybe Sleepy Joe should send some social workers to the Ukraine instead.  They can de-escalate the situation instead of violence.

 

[Max Power]

Of all the hundreds of billions that are pouring into the military I hope the money going to this area is being spent well and is getting our top talent.

Take a fraction of the money we were throwing into the bottomless pit of Afghanistan and put in this area. 

We're not even close to getting top talent. Government and military pay scales top out well below free market salaries. It's also a very joyless and often unsatisfying jobs that are probably located in a terrible location.

Places like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon get all the top tech talent.

 

[tymarsas]

We're not even close to getting top talent. Government and military pay scales top out well below free market salaries. It's also a very joyless and often unsatisfying jobs that are probably located in a terrible location.

Places like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon get all the top tech talent.

No doubt. It is pretty tough to keep up with big tech salaries. Throw in the fact that Russia and China can pay their people peanuts and work them 80-90 hours a week then it is easy to see how the US is falling behind. I'm not sure how you solve that problem.

 

[The General]

We're not even close to getting top talent. Government and military pay scales top out well below free market salaries. It's also a very joyless and often unsatisfying jobs that are probably located in a terrible location.

Places like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon get all the top tech talent.

Hopefully they are working with these places, cloak and dagger and all.

Many MAGA folks think they are doing this to help the Dems win elections or whatever

 

[djmich]

Relative to Trump

I think Biden's predictability (including unintentional communication of strategy lol) and risk-aversion will embolden our enemies.

I think his predictability and risk aversion will help with our allies.

The first more likely to lead to conflict, the second more likely to get to a better conclusion when it occurs.  For as much heat as Trump took I believe is unpredictability and targeted aggression was very successful in putting our enemies on their heels.

 

[knowledge dropper]

He will be fine if you give him all the aces and face cards in the opening deal.  

 

[Max Power]

No doubt. It is pretty tough to keep up with big tech salaries. Throw in the fact that Russia and China can pay their people peanuts and work them 80-90 hours a week then it is easy to see how the US is falling behind. I'm not sure how you solve that problem.

It's a known issue the community has a couple ideas to address, but it's not going to be enough.  Salary is the biggest issue, and the government wont get in same ballpark as silicon valley. 

We really need to work the national pride angle harder to get people who have other motivations than money working DoD projects.

Contractors work in some aspects, but they really aren't a reliable long term fix.

This is definitely a tough nut to crack.

 

[Max Power]

Hopefully they are working with these places, cloak and dagger and all.

Many MAGA folks think they are doing this to help the Dems win elections or whatever

We had a couple projects in the works with google and Amazon, but they ended up having "ethical reservations" about how the technology they were building would be utilized by the DoD and chose not to continue the relationship. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I have faith in our Generals to do what they need to do.

This probably deserving of its own thread but “what they need to do”? 
 

We don’t “need to go to war” to defend Ukraine

 

[moleculo]

This probably deserving of its own thread but “what they need to do”? 
 

We don’t “need to go to war” to defend Ukraine

Then Biden isn't a "war president", aka topic of this thread.

 

[Gopher State]

Then Biden isn't a "war president", aka topic of this thread.

I think the odds of going to war are greater then people think, it’s not just Russia, but NK, China, and Iran.  I think Biden will be stronger then people think.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Then Biden isn't a "war president", aka topic of this thread.

Actually the topic is whether he would be a good war president 

I voted no 

I think the best thing he could do for OUR COUNTRY is stay out of it

 

[moleculo]

Actually the topic is whether he would be a good war president 

I voted no 

I think the best thing he could do for OUR COUNTRY is stay out of it

And if we go to war, I trust the Generals.

(Hint: back handed way of saying no, he would not be great).

 

[dkp993]

I think the best thing he could do for OUR COUNTRY is stay out of it

I would imagine this is the sentiment of the vast majority.  

 

[The General]

I’d think very few want to go to war with Russia if they invade the Ukraine. 

 

[sho nuff]

I would imagine this is the sentiment of the vast majority.  

Seemed so in the other thread we had not long ago.

 

[GoBirds]

I think the odds of going to war are greater then people think, it’s not just Russia, but NK, China, and Iran.  I think Biden will be stronger then people think.

Could there be a lower bar to clear? 

 

[Sabertooth]

Biden will defer to generals. He’s not Trump thinking about personally making money on everything.  

 

[Sabertooth]

It deterred North Korea. Biden just happened to go off-script and say the quiet part out loud which is now causing escalated tensions in the region.  Do you think we're in the same boat today had Biden not said what he did?  

Largely yea.  I’d still need to go install plumbing today for a laundry unit today.  I’d still be having crockpot roast beef for dinner.  Packers still would have choked again.  

 

[FairWarning]

Biden will defer to generals. He’s not Trump thinking about personally making money on everything.  

Unfortunately not the first elected official with this train of thought, his was just more obvious.

 

[Sabertooth]

Unfortunately not the first elected official with this train of thought, his was just more obvious.

Of course not.  

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Color me nervous. The Afghanistan situation eliminated benefit of the doubt for me on "Biden will just do all the general-approved milquetoast things."

 

[quick-hands]

Biden will defer to generals. He’s not Trump thinking about personally making money on everything.  

You should check out the book red handed.    Biden has his hand out, bought and paid for by Xi.

 

[Sabertooth]

You should check out the book red handed.    Biden has his hand out, bought and paid for by Xi.

I looked into it.  Written by a Conservative “think tank” President.  All over Fox News.  Seems he might have an axe to grind.  Think I’ll pass.  He seems about as objective as the Qanon Viking dude. 

 

[quick-hands]

I looked into it.  Written by a Conservative “think tank” President.  All over Fox News.  Seems he might have an axe to grind.  Think I’ll pass.  He seems about as objective as the Qanon Viking dude. 

That may all be true.   As I understand  it all of his ascertations are sourced and documented. 

Biden is a professional  grifter.  Trump is a piker compared to him.  

 

[Sabertooth]

That may all be true.   As I understand  it all of his ascertations are sourced and documented. 

Biden is a professional  grifter.  Trump is a piker compared to him.  

Perhaps.  But I’ll be honest quick-hands it’s innuendo.  Sourced?  Great.  Awesome why don’t you go ahead and convict him.  Trump is a grifter who has actual guilty verdicts.  Biden is all innuendo.  I don’t see Joe Biden in a bunch of pictures with Epstein and Maxwell 8 don’t see Biden ogling girls and joking with a kid rapist.  I have seen Trump do that with my own eyes. 
 

Same as I said with Jan 6, when people were saying it’s Antifa.  I was having a conversation with my county commissioner.  He was all on the Antifa thing.  He’s like “you are so blind , you need to step back and actually see what’s going on here.”  I said “ No I don’t.  I’ll just wait for the actual court cases to happen and then we will see.”  

I don’t know of any pending or past  personal legal issues for Joe Biden.  I know Trump is barred from running charities. I know Trump paid hush money to porn stars. I know he took private meeting with high level Russia diplomats including Lavrov and Putin with nobody else in allowed in.  I’d be stunned if Biden took an “off the record” meeting with Xi.  I certainly wouldn’t support it and try to act like it was no big deal.  
 

These are actual things we saw and he admitted to doing.  And court rulings.  

So for you to sit there and say Biden is the king of all grifters is comical.  First he’s senile, then incompetent, then he’s a genius.  Forgive me if I don’t buy it.  

 

[James Daulton]

That may all be true.   As I understand  it all of his ascertations are sourced and documented. 

Biden is a professional  grifter.  Trump is a piker compared to him.  

If Biden's a professional grifter he's pretty terrible at it.  Hell he doesn't even demand a gold toilet to tweet on like Trump.

It's astounding what some people will believe with zero evidence.  It's not like Joe's henchmen had a meeting in Biden Tower with the Chinease and then Joe subsequently lied about it. 

 

[sho nuff]

Its all sourced and documented.  Yet, presented in a book, rather than court.

 

[Sabertooth]

If Biden's a professional grifter he's pretty terrible at it.  Hell he doesn't even demand a gold toilet to tweet on like Trump.

It's astounding what some people will believe with zero evidence.  It's not like Joe's henchmen had a meeting in Biden Tower with the Chinease and then Joe subsequently lied about it. 

Biden has always shown his taxes too correct?  Which skyscraper is his in Delaware?