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Joe Horn To Be Cut (1 Viewer)

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"Eyewitness Sports' Juan Kincaid says Joe Horn has told him that he will be released by the Saints when free agency begins. Details to come."

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GO TO GREEN BAY JOE!

Screw randy Moss, this guy still has gas lefft and would be REALLY effective reuniting w/ Mike McCarthy

 
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
He really just couldnt suit up for those games, his groin injury was pretty bad. This release has pretty much been understood by both sides for quite a while now. Joe knew coming into this last season he would not be a saint in 07
 
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
:unsure: Strange to see him go now. In fact, downright mind-boggling. With no veteran recievers on the roster with any extensive playing time, theyre going to let him go now instead of letting him stick around and tutor the young recieving corps? Colston, Henderson, Copper-- these are all guys that could benefit immensely from Horn's knowledge and now that the Saints are legitimate playoff contenders, wouldn't it be sensible to keep Horn around? Something sounds fishy here unless its purely a monetary issue. In which case, their hands were bound.Still, sad to see him go. Hope he can retire a Saint. :thumbup:
 
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
:lmao: Strange to see him go now. In fact, downright mind-boggling. With no veteran recievers on the roster with any extensive playing time, theyre going to let him go now instead of letting him stick around and tutor the young recieving corps? Colston, Henderson, Copper-- these are all guys that could benefit immensely from Horn's knowledge and now that the Saints are legitimate playoff contenders, wouldn't it be sensible to keep Horn around? Something sounds fishy here unless its purely a monetary issue. In which case, their hands were bound.Still, sad to see him go. Hope he can retire a Saint. :thumbup:
Maybe the Chiefs will pick him up and he can retire with the team who drafted him.
 
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS AGREE TO GRANT WR JOE HORN RELEASE FROM HIS CONTRACTFor Immediate Release: March 1, 2007After two days of meetings and discussions with Executive Vice President/General Manager Mickey Loomis and Head Coach Sean Payton regarding a restructure and reduction of his contract, WR Joe Horn and his agent have asked for and been granted his release by the New Orleans Saints. Horn wants to explore his current market value within the NFL, and the Saints have honored that request and remain hopeful that the veteran keeps the notion of returning to New Orleans a viable option after shopping his services.“Joe really wanted to see where his value is around the league for his services,” said Executive Vice President/General Manager Mickey Loomis. “With as much as Joe has meant to the Saints and to New Orleans, we don’t want to impede his desire to do so, and we have kept the door open for him to return to our team.”Horn, signed as an Unrestricted Free Agent in 2000, has hauled in 523 receptions for 7,622 yards and a team-record 50 touchdowns since coming to New Orleans. He ranks second in club history in catches and yardage, and he is the team’s all-time leader in 100-yard receiving games with 27. Entering his 12th season, Horn has been selected to the Pro Bowl four times since signing with the Saints (2000-2002, 2004). He has started 100 of 102 games in New Orleans, including nine of 10 in 2006 when he was slowed by a leg injury.“Joe’s numbers speak for themselves, and throughout his career here he has been everything an NFL player should be in the community,” said Coach Sean Payton. “That means more than just being an excellent player. He holds a special place to our fans because of his involvement in the city and his passion on the field. Decisions of this type aren’t easy, and we understand his desire to see what his value may be with other teams.”Horn, 35, is the only player in club record books to have over 75 receptions in five-straight seasons, including tying for the NFC lead in 2004 with 94 grabs, a franchise-record total he first set in 2000. He had a pair of 100-yard games in 2006 and finished with 37 catches for 679 yards with four TDs. In 2005, he hauled in 49 passes for 654 yards and a touchdown. Of the 576 receptions he has recorded in his NFL career – including the first four years with Kansas City – all but 53 have come with the Saints.“He’s been one of the best free agents the club has ever signed, and I’ve been here to watch him develop into one of the NFL’s best wide receivers since he joined the Saints,” said Loomis. “It’s been a great relationship for both our club and for Joe, and one we still hope may continue until Joe is ready to retire.”Horn initially signed with New Orleans in 2000 as an Unrestricted Free Agent. He was re-signed to a three-year extension in 2003, and signed a five-year contract extension in 2006.
 
Terrance Coppers value just went up considerably, starting position next to Colston :shrug:
Really? Still a little early for that I think. Not like Copper is a proven commodity. Somebody will be brought in IMO. They could also move Colston to Horn's spot and Henderson could get the starting nod. It is the offseason though. Vincent Jackson has already been named a starter too according to the shark pool.
 
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
:moneybag: Strange to see him go now. In fact, downright mind-boggling. With no veteran recievers on the roster with any extensive playing time, theyre going to let him go now instead of letting him stick around and tutor the young recieving corps?
Not picking on you, but why does so many people think that, because a player is in his thirties, he's a lock to tutor younger players who are trying to take his job?
 
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
He really just couldnt suit up for those games, his groin injury was pretty bad. This release has pretty much been understood by both sides for quite a while now. Joe knew coming into this last season he would not be a saint in 07
Actually, Horn said that he could have gone in Chicago, but that Payton wouldn't let him. Perhaps Payton thought he was still hurt, but it did seem as though Joe just wasn't part of the plan.Mixed feelings as a Saints fan. Joe has meant a lot to the team over the last 6 or 7 years, and has been a fan favorite. On the other hand, he's not worth what his contract requires. It will be interesting to see what kind of cash he can get on the open market given his recent injury history.
 
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
:unsure: Strange to see him go now. In fact, downright mind-boggling. With no veteran recievers on the roster with any extensive playing time, theyre going to let him go now instead of letting him stick around and tutor the young recieving corps?
Not picking on you, but why does so many people think that, because a player is in his thirties, he's a lock to tutor younger players who are trying to take his job?
Hollywood is more likely to screw your wife than tutor you to take his playing time ...
 
Will Devery Henderson start opposite Colston?
Horn injured Henderson and Copper available here's your answerhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_NO@PIT

Nice call BassNBrew :thumbup:
Copper backed up Horn, and Henderson backed up Colston. Copper did not start when Colston went down. Henderson did. Since they have plenty of time still I could see Henderson learning Horns position and starting, although IF Copper were to start I wouldn't be surprised either. It's just way too early to know right now. Coin flip IMO.
 
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Will Devery Henderson start opposite Colston?
Horn injured Henderson and Copper available here's your answerhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_NO@PIT

Nice call BassNBrew :banned:
Copper backed up Horn, and Henderson backed up Colston. Copper did not start when Colston went down. Henderson did. Since they have plenty of time still I could see Henderson learning Horns position and starting, although IF Copper were to start I wouldn't be surprised either. It's just way too early to know right now. Coin flip IMO.
For the most part Copper started in Horn's spot, but not in every game (I know specifically the playoff game vs Philly that Henderson and Colston were the starting WRs). There were others where they opened with 3 WRs and all 3 (Colston, Copper, Henderson) were in. The "starting" formations varied quite a bit over the second half of the season, it really depended on what package or formation Payton wanted to open with. But it doesn't really matter very much who "started", they both had about equal playing time when Horn was out, which I'm assuming for most people is the real question.And yes, as some have speculated, this goes well beyond the dollars and cents of Horn's contract. In short, there are a lot of questions whether Horn is a "Sean Payton type" player, and I'll leave it at that. If you want to get into the details, read some of the "Horn" threads on saintsreport.com.

 
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Beaumont said:
Slinger said:
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
:thumbup: Strange to see him go now. In fact, downright mind-boggling. With no veteran recievers on the roster with any extensive playing time, theyre going to let him go now instead of letting him stick around and tutor the young recieving corps?
Not picking on you, but why does so many people think that, because a player is in his thirties, he's a lock to tutor younger players who are trying to take his job?
Hollywood is more likely to screw your wife than tutor you to take his playing time ...
Couple mill to teach? Sounds good. Besides, it keeps alive the title of 'football player'. Once you become an ex, scrubs get more ### than you.
 
GO TO GREEN BAY JOE!Screw randy Moss, this guy still has gas lefft and would be REALLY effective reuniting w/ Mike McCarthy
:goodposting: I'd much, much rather see Joe Horn or Darrel Jackson in Green Bay.
I don't understand this train of thought from the Packer faithful.Joe Horn is hanging on. Moss is declining. In their prime Moss>>>>Horn.Hell, from a franchise that Moss help set back a few years with the back to back to back DB picks to try to substain the assualt Moss inflicted apon the franchise.Moss does have a huge salary, but if the Pack brought him in there would be no signing bonus and the team could axe him after a year, if it didn't work out.I would take a more talented, half assed Moss any day of the week over an over cooked, over done, Horn.Moss has 2007 to get his act together. If/when he gets traded, he has no more excuses if he get paired with a Favre or a Brady. He either ponies up, or he's done.Moss is still greater than Horn at this point, because Moss still has potential. And I'm sure any team looking to sign Horn is looking at a cap hit greater than one year (as Horn is looking to reel in the longest contract with biggest signing bonus available he can get).FWIW as a Vike's fan, I hope to hell Randy doesn't go to GB. I'd prefer my Moss memories to be filled with Randy's rookie year MNF game coming out party against the Pack. Seeing Moss in green and gold would make me feel like :banned:
 
GO TO GREEN BAY JOE!Screw randy Moss, this guy still has gas lefft and would be REALLY effective reuniting w/ Mike McCarthy
:goodposting: I'd much, much rather see Joe Horn or Darrel Jackson in Green Bay.
I don't understand this train of thought from the Packer faithful.Joe Horn is hanging on. Moss is declining. In their prime Moss>>>>Horn.Hell, from a franchise that Moss help set back a few years with the back to back to back DB picks to try to substain the assualt Moss inflicted apon the franchise.Moss does have a huge salary, but if the Pack brought him in there would be no signing bonus and the team could axe him after a year, if it didn't work out.I would take a more talented, half assed Moss any day of the week over an over cooked, over done, Horn.Moss has 2007 to get his act together. If/when he gets traded, he has no more excuses if he get paired with a Favre or a Brady. He either ponies up, or he's done.Moss is still greater than Horn at this point, because Moss still has potential. And I'm sure any team looking to sign Horn is looking at a cap hit greater than one year (as Horn is looking to reel in the longest contract with biggest signing bonus available he can get).FWIW as a Vike's fan, I hope to hell Randy doesn't go to GB. I'd prefer my Moss memories to be filled with Randy's rookie year MNF game coming out party against the Pack. Seeing Moss in green and gold would make me feel like :banned: .
 
Beaumont said:
Slinger said:
I had a feeling something was up when he did not suit up for the playoffs.
:banned: Strange to see him go now. In fact, downright mind-boggling. With no veteran recievers on the roster with any extensive playing time, theyre going to let him go now instead of letting him stick around and tutor the young recieving corps?
Not picking on you, but why does so many people think that, because a player is in his thirties, he's a lock to tutor younger players who are trying to take his job?
Hollywood is more likely to screw your wife than tutor you to take his playing time ...
:goodposting: Horn has always come off as me, me, me guy. Eff him. Hope he gets cut from an Arena league team in 2007.

 
Love to see Horn in New England. They need guys that can actually catch open passes.

And to earlier post about Moss >>> Horn....I'll take Horn, his experience, attitude and work ethic ALL DAY over Randy Moss. No question.

 
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Pimpin Ain said:
Will Devery Henderson start opposite Colston?
Horn injured Henderson and Copper available here's your answerhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_NO@PIT

Nice call BassNBrew :shock:
Copper backed up Horn, and Henderson backed up Colston. Copper did not start when Colston went down. Henderson did. Since they have plenty of time still I could see Henderson learning Horns position and starting, although IF Copper were to start I wouldn't be surprised either. It's just way too early to know right now. Coin flip IMO.
Copper had 2 lost fumbles on 23 receptions and many drops. Go Henderson !!!!!!

 
GO TO GREEN BAY JOE!Screw randy Moss, this guy still has gas lefft and would be REALLY effective reuniting w/ Mike McCarthy
:stalker: I'd much, much rather see Joe Horn or Darrel Jackson in Green Bay.
I don't understand this train of thought from the Packer faithful.Joe Horn is hanging on. Moss is declining. In their prime Moss>>>>Horn.Hell, from a franchise that Moss help set back a few years with the back to back to back DB picks to try to substain the assualt Moss inflicted apon the franchise.Moss does have a huge salary, but if the Pack brought him in there would be no signing bonus and the team could axe him after a year, if it didn't work out.I would take a more talented, half assed Moss any day of the week over an over cooked, over done, Horn.Moss has 2007 to get his act together. If/when he gets traded, he has no more excuses if he get paired with a Favre or a Brady. He either ponies up, or he's done.Moss is still greater than Horn at this point, because Moss still has potential. And I'm sure any team looking to sign Horn is looking at a cap hit greater than one year (as Horn is looking to reel in the longest contract with biggest signing bonus available he can get).FWIW as a Vike's fan, I hope to hell Randy doesn't go to GB. I'd prefer my Moss memories to be filled with Randy's rookie year MNF game coming out party against the Pack. Seeing Moss in green and gold would make me feel like :D
Pretty simple risk vs. reward if you ask me. Moss may well be more talented than Horn, but then again, Moss hasn't done ANYTHING in two years. Is that a sign of decline? Or, is a sign of being on the Raiders? Potentially higher upside for Moss, but also bigger potential for a trainwreck.Horn is a free agent, so Green Bay doesn't have to give up anything to get him. If they want Moss, they have to give a player. Advantage Horn here.Horn is very familiar with McCarthy, so learning the offense won't be an issue. Moss can run like one route, so learning the offense won't be an issue for him either. I call this a push.I guess I'm more concerned about what happens post Favre. If they can get Moss for a very friendly, top heavy contract, then I'm fine with it. Because once Favre hangs it up, all hell will break loose with Moss if he's locked into a longer deal. He isn't going to want to play with an Aaron Rodgers or Ingle Martin. That's just the way it is. So if they can make it cap friendly so they can cut him easily in a year or two, that'd be OK. Still, I'm not convinced a Randy Moss suddenly makes this team a contender, so I'd hesitate to give up too much for him in a trade.
 
Love to see Horn in New England. They need guys that can actually catch open passes.And to earlier post about Moss >>> Horn....I'll take Horn, his experience, attitude and work ethic ALL DAY over Randy Moss. No question.
:thumbup: I was thinking the same thing about Horn to NE. It makes sense. As a Viking fan, as much as I would like Joe Horn in Minnesota, I picture Horn as a one or two year guy, and don't think next year is the "Viking's Year" (I'm really not sure if they even have a fate to have their own year - :popcorn: ). It sounds like they are pushing hard to get Kevin Curtis which would have more long term benefits for their young team.
 
According to Adam Schein of Fox Sports:

"League sources have confirmed to us that Horn failed his latest physical with the Saints. Thus, cutting him was a no brainer. In fact, the Saints did want to keep him at a lower number for this year, but Horn refused. And that's strange on 2 fronts; Horn knows he failed his physical and he told Sirius NFL Radio when he signed his extension a few years ago that he knew he would never see the back end of the deal."
 

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