Joe's Daily Emails? (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

In a couple recent daily emails Joe referred to Tebow as a "rookie phenom" and Spiller as a "rookie sensation" (or vice versa). Is this a little premature? I'm not saying that these guys can't live up to those monikers, but shouldn't they at least do something in a preseason game or two before being branded as such?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A "phenom" doesn't have to have proven anything yet.

Main Entry: phe·nom

Pronunciation: \ˈfē-ˌnäm, fi-ˈnäm\

Function: noun

Date: circa 1890

: phenomenon; especially : a person of phenomenal ability or promise

 

[Go deep]

In a couple recent daily emails Joe referred to Tebow as a "rookie phenom" and Spiller as a "rookie sensation" (or vice versa). Is this a little premature? I'm not saying that these guys can't live up to those monikers, but shouldn't they at least do something in a preseason game or two before being branded as such?

He refers to them as "rookie" sensations or phenoms. If they were proven, they wouldnt be rookies.

 

[Cassius]

In a couple recent daily emails Joe referred to Tebow as a "rookie phenom" and Spiller as a "rookie sensation" (or vice versa). Is this a little premature? I'm not saying that these guys can't live up to those monikers, but shouldn't they at least do something in a preseason game or two before being branded as such?

He refers to them as "rookie" sensations or phenoms. If they were proven, they wouldnt be rookies.

Whether they are proven or not is irrelevant to whether they are rookies. Rookies are players who are in their first year playing. HTH.

A "phenom" doesn't have to have proven anything yet.

Main Entry: phe·nom

Pronunciation: \ˈfē-ˌnäm, fi-ˈnäm\

Function: noun

Date: circa 1890

: phenomenon; especially : a person of phenomenal ability or promise

What about a sensation?Also, are you capable of reading things in context? Do you really think Joe used the word as a person "with promise?"

 

[shader]

Tebow is leading the league in jersey sales. Despite the fact that he hasn't played an NFL game yet, I think it's fair to call him a "sensation" because that's what he is.

 

[comfortably numb]

In a couple recent daily emails Joe referred to Tebow as a "rookie phenom" and Spiller as a "rookie sensation" (or vice versa). Is this a little premature? I'm not saying that these guys can't live up to those monikers, but shouldn't they at least do something in a preseason game or two before being branded as such?

I agree with you, but it's pointless, I sent a petition to the Topps company in 1987 when B.J. Surhoff was a "Future Star" and it got me nowhere.

 

[Bob Magaw]

i do usually read the emails, but don't recall those references, or their specific context...

phenom and sensation could be meant in the sense of notoriety?

tebow's popularity has been somewhat of a phenomenon... i wouldn't have guessed before the draft that his jersey would be so popular (#1 in sales?)... that may not be the best metric for measuring fantasy/dynasty potential, but a good proxy for interest...

spiller did create somewhat of a sensation in the draft... after #1 overall QB bradford, he was the #2 overall skill position player picked... he also created a sensation at clemson (something like 40% of his TDs went for 50+ yards?)... he has created a sensation in another sense, in that he was one of the more surprising picks of the draft (with JAX DL alualu at #10)... not for his (lack of) ability, but due to the fact that BUF had so many seemingly more pressing needs (especially OL), and already had jackson and lynch... than again, since BUF seems to have soured on lynch, this probably shouldn't have been such a shock... and bills rationale may be that he is so explosive and versatile, that he can be productive without gaping holes in the run game, and help out as a receiver and returner...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Also, are you capable of reading things in context? Do you really think Joe used the word as a person "with promise?"

Yes. Generally, when I hear rookie phenom (usually in baseball) they are talking about a guy with loads of potential.

 

[39407]

Phenom = Potential = A French term for "Aint done #### yet"

 

[Catbird]

I think phenom implies, in common usage, that the kid has shown at least glimpses of striking ability - but to me dazzling college skills or even OTA glimpses could qualify for a rookie phenom. I think sensation can refer accurately to public interest levels and that Tebow clearly is one. Mostly, though, I think that despite its sickening over-statement, complaining about media hype of rookies is pissing into the wind.

 

[TheFanatic]

OK, I'll go with phenom being OK, but sensation? In context with other people who were drafted in the first round, Spiller is not really a sensation. Compared to me, he's a sensation - about to become a millionaire, will play in the NFL, etc, but in the context of other rookies he's just a player that hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL.

 

[werdnoynek]

OK, I'll go with phenom being OK, but sensation? In context with other people who were drafted in the first round, Spiller is not really a sensation. Compared to me, he's a sensation - about to become a millionaire, will play in the NFL, etc, but in the context of other rookies he's just a player that hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL.

they're implying that tebow/spiller WERE sensations/phenoms in college. it's pretty obvious they haven't proven anything yet. i think we need to give the FBG's a bit more credit than that...

 

[TheFanatic]

OK, I'll go with phenom being OK, but sensation? In context with other people who were drafted in the first round, Spiller is not really a sensation. Compared to me, he's a sensation - about to become a millionaire, will play in the NFL, etc, but in the context of other rookies he's just a player that hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL.

they're implying that tebow/spiller WERE sensations/phenoms in college. it's pretty obvious they haven't proven anything yet. i think we need to give the FBG's a bit more credit than that...

I don;t think "Rookie Sensation" implies anything to do with college. Wouldn't that need to say, "college sensation," or "Gator Sensation," or something?

 

[werdnoynek]

OK, I'll go with phenom being OK, but sensation? In context with other people who were drafted in the first round, Spiller is not really a sensation. Compared to me, he's a sensation - about to become a millionaire, will play in the NFL, etc, but in the context of other rookies he's just a player that hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL.

they're implying that tebow/spiller WERE sensations/phenoms in college. it's pretty obvious they haven't proven anything yet. i think we need to give the FBG's a bit more credit than that...

I don;t think "Rookie Sensation" implies anything to do with college. Wouldn't that need to say, "college sensation," or "Gator Sensation," or something?

they are rookies. they were sensations/phenoms. how is that so hard to understand?? why all this nitpicking? what is it accomplishing?ETA: coming out of college, unproven in the NFL and yet to play an NFL game, i think it goes without saying that what people thought of them while they were in college still stands. they haven't done anything to prove otherwise.

 

[Joe Bryant]

OK, I'll go with phenom being OK, but sensation? In context with other people who were drafted in the first round, Spiller is not really a sensation. Compared to me, he's a sensation - about to become a millionaire, will play in the NFL, etc, but in the context of other rookies he's just a player that hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL.

they're implying that tebow/spiller WERE sensations/phenoms in college. it's pretty obvious they haven't proven anything yet. i think we need to give the FBG's a bit more credit than that...

I don;t think "Rookie Sensation" implies anything to do with college. Wouldn't that need to say, "college sensation," or "Gator Sensation," or something?

I see the point in that it might be better if they've done something at the NFL level. But the way we mean it is in a guy with tons of potential that is drawing a lot of attention.J

 

[radballs]

Shark Pool semantics threads are the best.

 

[TheFanatic]

OK, I'll go with phenom being OK, but sensation? In context with other people who were drafted in the first round, Spiller is not really a sensation. Compared to me, he's a sensation - about to become a millionaire, will play in the NFL, etc, but in the context of other rookies he's just a player that hasn't had a carry yet in the NFL.

they're implying that tebow/spiller WERE sensations/phenoms in college. it's pretty obvious they haven't proven anything yet. i think we need to give the FBG's a bit more credit than that...

I don;t think "Rookie Sensation" implies anything to do with college. Wouldn't that need to say, "college sensation," or "Gator Sensation," or something?

I see the point in that it might be better if they've done something at the NFL level. But the way we mean it is in a guy with tons of potential that is drawing a lot of attention.J

Fair enough... Thanks for the clarification...

 

[bonesman]

You don't really have to accomplish anything to be a sensation either.... just elicit excitement... as both Spiller and Tebow do.

5.

a mental feeling, esp. a state of excited feeling.

6.

a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a number of persons or throughout a community, as by some rumor or occurrence.

7.

a cause of such feeling or interest: The new Brazilian movie was the sensation of the film festival.

Both CJ and Tebow are legitimate rookie phenoms/sensations.

ETA: the first 4 definitions on Sensation were about tactile feeling.

 

[werdnoynek]

Shark Pool semantics threads are the best.

 

[kurtrudder]

Shark Pool semantics threads are the best.

 

[DoubleG]

Shark Pool semantics threads are the best.

By that did you mean better than all the other threads in the shark pool?!? Or were just using the cliche "are the best" to simply mean they're a great deal of fun? I'll be honest, if it's the former, I really have to strongly disagree...

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Shark Pool semantics threads are the best.

By that did you mean better than all the other threads in the shark pool?!? Or were just using the cliche "are the best" to simply mean they're a great deal of fun? I'll be honest, if it's the former, I really have to strongly disagree...

Strongly disagree as if to object or more like an aversion or a bad reaction (like heartburn)?

 

[werdnoynek]

Shark Pool semantics threads are the best.

By that did you mean better than all the other threads in the shark pool?!? Or were just using the cliche "are the best" to simply mean they're a great deal of fun? I'll be honest, if it's the former, I really have to strongly disagree...

Strongly disagree as if to object or more like an aversion or a bad reaction (like heartburn)?

by heartburn do you mean a painful burning sensation in the chest caused by gastroesophageal reflux? i really dislike the analogy good sir... this discussion is causing some heartburning amongst the sharkpool!