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This is exactly what happened yesterday. Chambers did not drop anything (unlike Miami's other receivers--McMichael in particular). He made a beautiful catch at the sideline but Harrington's throw was just too wide to give Chambers any chance to get his feet in bounds. On another throw Chambers was streaking downfield wide open but Harrington overthrew him. That one was a sure TD. Harrington, like Culpepper earlier, doesn't throw an accurate deep ball.
Chambers catch % this year is 46%. TO = 48%, Hines Ward = 49%, Tory Holt = 51%, Chad Johnson = 53%. I don't think it tells the full story either.I don't remember the specifics but Chambers has one of the worst career target:reception ratios in the NFL.He makes some REALLY tough catches, but he drops a lot of easy ones too.mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:
I don't understand people just writing off Culpepper who had 3 ligiments torn in his knee. When he is 100% and plays again at 100% then we can pass judgement. And those who pass judgement on 6 games from 2005 ( and his breif 2006 playing hurt as well) and just discount what he has done before then are just ignorant. 3 time pro bowler, and one of the highest career completion percentages ever. He is an elite talent, I believe in him and so does the Miami Dolphins. It is a dark time for the Fins again but we will get through it, and hopefully get better over the next 2 seasons. Otherwise Saban is gone.Gus Ferrote was bad. That guy threw balls all over the place and Chambers had to make superstar catches all the time. It was never easy for him last season. Granted Gus did play pretty good, but I will take Culpepper all day. It is just a matter of him getting back his health. I mean, mobility is a huge part of his game and he does not have his wheels right now. Give it some time. Culpepper was a top FF QB every year. So he had a bad start to his 2005 which he was not even able to finish. Give it a rest about how bad he was in 2005. That season was incomplete and this season is a write off due to his need to get his knee all the way back. Next season Culpepper will be back and putting up very good numbers. If he does not then he does not. But I rather take a chance with his tremendous upside then go through more years of Fielder, Ferrote, Rosenfeld, AJ feeley. That was disgusting.Choosing C.Pep over Bree's and saying it was a mistake is very unfair at this point. And hind site is 20/20 as we all know.
Chambers does drop easy ones, so do some of the best in the league. That is not the problem. The main problem is:1) Harrington stinks as we all know2) Our OL stinks even worse.He needs Culpepper healthy, this team needs Culpepper healthy. Then we can really see what we have. Chambers is a very good player, he just needs someone to get him the damm ball. They are not doing that right now. A healthy Culpepper can buy a lot more time and make plays out of garbage like he did for many years in Minny.Chambers catch % this year is 46%. TO = 48%, Hines Ward = 49%, Tory Holt = 51%, Chad Johnson = 53%. I don't think it tells the full story either.I don't remember the specifics but Chambers has one of the worst career target:reception ratios in the NFL.He makes some REALLY tough catches, but he drops a lot of easy ones too.mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:
How about the career numbers for those guys?Chambers catch % this year is 46%. TO = 48%, Hines Ward = 49%, Tory Holt = 51%, Chad Johnson = 53%. I don't think it tells the full story either.I don't remember the specifics but Chambers has one of the worst career target:reception ratios in the NFL.He makes some REALLY tough catches, but he drops a lot of easy ones too.mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:
This is all you need to know.Great breakdown.
Exactly. Chambers poor year has very little to do with his hands. Two drops in seven games is nothing.Whether it's a problem of creating seperation or not, I havbe no clue. That's hard to tell from a tv.The throws I do see to Chambers have been terrible. The catch he had out of bounds yesterday 2was ridiculous. It was just thrown to wide for him to get his feet down.
Urinal Mint said:
What Chambers has is inconsistent hands. He makes GREAT catches that only the elite could do and then has too many drops that the weaker receivers do. He is a good receiver but his lack of reliability keeps him at the good level.
Chris Chambers = Brandon Lloyd? He makes some amazing catches but drops too many easy balls.Urinal Mint said:
It's not the QB. Historically, great WRs put up great catch%s no matter WHO is throwing them the ball. Lee Evans had J.P. Losman throwing him the ball last year and he still managed a solid catch%. Derrick Mason had Kyle Boller throwing him the ball and he still broke 60%. Arnaz Battle was getting the ball from some combination of Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and god-only-knows who else, but he still broke 60%, too.
9 targets, 2 of which were converted. He actually failed to convert on 6 straight targets to start the game. No matter how many times you're throwing, if a WR fails to convert on 6-straight targets and has a 22% conversion rate, you probably aren't going to throw it his way that often.
mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:
Click for the specifics.I don't remember the specifics but Chambers has one of the worst career target:reception ratios in the NFL.He makes some REALLY tough catches, but he drops a lot of easy ones too.mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:
I am going to go ahead and quote the specific post of yours:SSOG:It's not the QB. Historically, great WRs put up great catch%s no matter WHO is throwing them the ball. Lee Evans had J.P. Losman throwing him the ball last year and he still managed a solid catch%. Derrick Mason had Kyle Boller throwing him the ball and he still broke 60%. Arnaz Battle was getting the ball from some combination of Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and god-only-knows who else, but he still broke 60%, too.9 targets, 2 of which were converted. He actually failed to convert on 6 straight targets to start the game. No matter how many times you're throwing, if a WR fails to convert on 6-straight targets and has a 22% conversion rate, you probably aren't going to throw it his way that often.mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:Click for the specifics.I don't remember the specifics but Chambers has one of the worst career target:reception ratios in the NFL.He makes some REALLY tough catches, but he drops a lot of easy ones too.mr. furley said:Urinal Mint said:
Actually, I've made that exact arguement before.
St. Louis QBs, 2003- 62.6% Comp%Torry Holt, 2003- 64% Catch%St. Louis QBs, 2004- 64.5% Comp%Torry Holt, 2004- 69% Catch% (
)St. Louis QBs, 2005- 65.4% Comp%Torry Holt, 2005- 63% Catch%Note that the QB Comp% was to *ALL PLAYERS*, and the comp% to WRs only was no doubt much lower (didn't want to bother taking the time to calculate it by hand), so Holt's 2005 catch% was almost certainly higher than St. Louis's comp%.Holt was the first guy I decided to check, and after he checked out I didn't even bother trying anyone else, but I strongly suspect that the rest of the "elite" WRs (Harrison, Chad Johnson, Hines Ward) will similarly pass. Not TO, though, because TO has awful hands.
