Joey Porter on Vick: ''All it was was dogs'' (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

Joey Porter on Vick: 'All it was was dogs'

Dolphins LB Joey Porter says the NFL should open the gates for Michael Vick when he completes his federal jail sentence for a conspiracy conviction related to a dogfighting ring.

And, while noting that Vick's punishment should not linger, Porter offered a different explanation for why the league should reinstate the suspended QB.

"All it was was dogs," Porter said to ESPN. "They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.

"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."

Dolphins DE Vonnie Holliday also said the league should reinstate Vick, but with a less controversial reasoning.

Holliday pointed to the apparent reinstatement of Cowboys DB Pacman Jones, which the team has announced but the league has yet to confirm, as a precedent for Vick's return.

"Certainly, if a guy gets in trouble repeatedly, which crime is bigger?" Holliday told ESPN. "I don't know. I think [Vick] should get an opportunity to have a second chance. Here's a guy who I think he did a lot for the league, certainly, when he was in Atlanta. He did a lot for that organization."

for porter

 

[Jon_Moore]

He needs to better choose his wording, and coming all the way out with stuff like this...it ruffles feathers, and it's just not worth the drama. For what it's worth, he's obviously referring to the dog fighting, and not the killing.

However, I don't completely disagree with the line of thinking.

Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks? Was what Vick did horrible, sure. But I definitely think he deserves another chance.

I do think there should be certain animal protection laws, and I don't think what he did can be tolerated. But, you put people in prison so they're not a danger to society. I mean...Once busted I don't think he was going to run out and do it again.

I'm sure this makes me a horrible person and what not.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

 

[Ozymandias]

All it was was an idiot shooting off his mouth.

 

[Da Guru]

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

The only reason it is absurd is because Vick was a high profile person involved. I grew up in Detroit..believe me you do not want a society without rules.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

"All it was was dogs," Porter said to ESPN. "They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.''



Never mind his ebonics for a second and think about what he`s saying....doesnt this tool know that its guys like vick that causes society to fear pitbulls???? If you breed and train a dog to kill it will

,if you dont it PROBABLY wont. My friends pitbull is afraid of MY PUG....his dog is a show dog and wins ribbons , not fights. Again , porter is a jackass

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

He needs to better choose his wording, and coming all the way out with stuff like this...it ruffles feathers, and it's just not worth the drama. For what it's worth, he's obviously referring to the dog fighting, and not the killing.

However, I don't completely disagree with the line of thinking.

Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks? Was what Vick did horrible, sure. But I definitely think he deserves another chance.

I do think there should be certain animal protection laws, and I don't think what he did can be tolerated. But, you put people in prison so they're not a danger to society. I mean...Once busted I don't think he was going to run out and do it again.

I'm sure this makes me a horrible person and what not.

WTF???

 

[moose162]

Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks?

I'm not sure there's even a shred of relevance in that comparison.

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

What part of it is absurd?

 

[jamil]

i'm a big dog person but, all it was was dogs man.

 

[JSH21]

Sorry, but I'm with Joey on this one.

 

[-baller]

dogs >>>> vick

 

[[scooter]]

However, I don't completely disagree with the line of thinking.

Porter is blunt, but he's right. All it was, was dogs.

 

[Manster]

joey porter was tool before, but now he is a HUGE tool. and he owns dogs?? he prolly has spikey collars for his pit bulls. and if he decides one isn't cool enough or whatever it prolly ends up at the pound. he seems like that kinda guy. what a flippin doosh.

 

[Jon_Moore]

Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks?

I'm not sure there's even a shred of relevance in that comparison.

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

What part of it is absurd?

Let me clear that up for ya then,I think Lynch's driving and harming a human is worse than anything Vick did.

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

 

[Manster]

However, I don't completely disagree with the line of thinking.

Porter is blunt, but he's right. All it was, was dogs.

as a dog owner who considers my dog a part of my family, i disagree. and i wouldnt call porter blunt. i'd say he sounded ignorant and uneducated.

 

[-baller]

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

is this a joke post?maybe educate yourself on the subject a little and you'd understand it better.

 

[gianmarco]

Witness: Vick thought it 'funny' when dogs died

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Michael Vick put family pets in rings with pit bulls and thought it was funny watching the trained killers injure or kill the helpless dogs, a witness told federal investigators during the dogfighting investigation that brought Vick down.

In a 17-page report filed Aug. 28, 2008, by case agent James Knorr of the U.S. Department of Agriculture and released Friday under the Freedom of Information Act, a person identified as confidential witness No. 1 said Vick placed pets in the ring against pit bulls owned by "Bad Newz Kennels" at least twice and watched as the pit bulls "caused major injuries."

The witness said Vick and co-defendants Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips "thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs."

Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison in Dec. 2007, and is due to be released from the federal prison at Leavenworth, Kan., on July 20, 2009. He returned to Virginia on Thursday and is being held in Hopewell pending his appearance in Surry County Circuit Court on Tuesday, where he is expected to plead guilty to two felony charges but receive a suspended sentence.

The report, which has some names and other information redacted to protect some of the parties involved, also details the killing of several dogs at property Vick owned on Moonlight Road in Surry County in mid-April 2007, just days before the first search warrant was executed on the property, turning a drug investigation into the one that sent Vick to prison.

It says Vick was administered a polygraph test by the FBI in October 2007 and denied taking part in the killing of dogs in mid-April. When told he had failed that part of the test, Vick recanted his story and admitted to helping hang six to eight underperforming dogs.

The former Atlanta Falcons quarterback, once the highest paid player in the NFL, has been suspended indefinitely by the league and his football future is uncertain. He's also in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings with $16 million in assets and $20.4 million in liabilities.

Peace, who also was convicted in the case, said there were times he suggested that dogs unwilling to fight be given away, but that Vick said "they got to go," meaning be killed.

The dogs were killed by shooting, hanging, electrocution and drowning, and in at least one instance, according to one of the witnesses, when Vick and Phillips killed a red pit bull by "slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog's back or neck."

When he finally admitted to his role in the dogfighting operation, Vick also said he purchased his first pull bull, named "Champagne," while a student at Virginia Tech in 1999. The dog was never used in fights, but was bred with other dogs, according to the report.

Champagne was among the 53 pit bulls seized from the home in a raid in April 2007.

 

[[scooter]]

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

Because we moved off the farms and raised our families in suburbia and lost touch with reality to the point where we began treating our animals like humans.

 

[nashua55]

However, I don't completely disagree with the line of thinking.

Porter is blunt, but he's right. All it was, was dogs.

as a dog owner who considers my dog a part of my family, i disagree. and i wouldnt call porter blunt. i'd say he sounded ignorant and uneducated.

I am another one who agrees with Porter. Although I dont in anyway condone what Vick did, two years was pretty steep. Heck L. Little of the Rams killed two people while driving drunk and didnt get any time.(sorry, I had my facts wrong. Leonard Little only killed one person while driving under the influence and did spend 90 days in jail.)

 

[The Jerk]

There is arguably more to Porter's comments than just Michael Vick's situation. I guess this story from 2006 never made it nationally:

Joey Porter's Dogs Get Loose, Kill Miniature Horse

 

[The Jerk]

I am another one who agrees with Porter. Although I dont in anyway condone what Vick did, two years was pretty steep. Heck L. Little of the Rams killed two people while driving drunk and didnt get any time.

The Leonard Little situations are what bothers me in this case, too. I don't understand the culture of dog-fighting and as someone who had two dogs in my house as a child I find it repulsive; yet, there is something wrong when players who harm humans are given a wristslap compared to what happened to Vick. Perhaps if Porter explained it that way, more people would listen to his comments for their contents and not just call him a tool.

 

[[scooter]]

There is arguably more to Porter's comments than just Michael Vick's situation. I guess this story from 2006 never made it nationally:

Joey Porter's Dogs Get Loose, Kill Miniature Horse

All it was, was a horse.

 

[ninerfan]

Now I understand why that dude shot him in the ###. Best chance to hit his brain.

 

[Manster]

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

Because we moved off the farms and raised our families in suburbia and lost touch with reality to the point where we began treating our animals like humans.

i understand what you're saying, but it's somewhat of an ignorant statement, imo. not trying to start a fight here, just trying to state my opinion on this.i'm basically a small town redneck. i've grown up with dogs all my life. they have always been important to me. i'm sure you've heard of dogs being refered to as "man's best friend. " there are a lot of people out there that value their dogs very much. and not just city dwellers with toy poodles called muffy.

 

[mcnappy]

Let me first say, I am no where close to being a supporter of PETA or any radical animal rights organization. I rarely post on here but can't stand by while the Michael Vick apologists try to rationalize that "all it was was dogs". Even if you think there is no problem with abusing dogs, you need to be aware that there is a correlation between those who beat women, children and commit violent crimes and those who think it is ok to beat or kill animals. I'm not saying everyone who abuses animals or thinks it is ok to do so will be an abuser or committ violent crimes but the chances that someone who abuses or committs violent crimes against women or children is also someone who thinks it is ok to fight pit bulls, hang them, drowned them or otherwise abuse them are much higher. There is plenty of scientific evidence to substantiate the correlation.

My question to Vick or anyone who fights dogs is why? What is it about dogs ripping apart another dogs face, leg or neck that gives you pleasure?

Has Michael Vick paid his debt to society? Yes. Should he continue to have to answer for his decisions/actions? Yes. No different than anyone on this website or in society.

 

[moose162]

Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks?

I'm not sure there's even a shred of relevance in that comparison.

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

What part of it is absurd?

Let me clear that up for ya then,I think Lynch's driving and harming a human is worse than anything Vick did.

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

Intention is everything. Hitting one person with your car is different than the systematic killing of animals. If you don't get that, I'm sorry.

 

[moose162]

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

Because we moved off the farms and raised our families in suburbia and lost touch with reality to the point where we began treating our animals like humans.

The majority of the educated world believes that we are not far removed from their level.

 

[The Jerk]

Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks?

I'm not sure there's even a shred of relevance in that comparison.

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

What part of it is absurd?

Let me clear that up for ya then,I think Lynch's driving and harming a human is worse than anything Vick did.

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

Intention is everything. Hitting one person with your car is different than the systematic killing of animals. If you don't get that, I'm sorry.

The law does not state that intention is EVERYTHING. It may lessen the penalty on some/many crimes, but it doesn't eliminate it. And you might not trot out the "it's only one person" line if that one person is someone very close to you. To be clear, I'm not condoning Vick's actions one bit, nor do I disagree that the intentional/systematic aspect of the case against him is the most troubling. I guess my issue is not so much that Vick has been penalized too harshly, but rather that other crimes are not penalized more severely.

 

[[scooter]]

My question to Vick or anyone who fights dogs is why? What is it about dogs ripping apart another dogs face, leg or neck that gives you pleasure?

Yeah, that's exactly what the pro-Vick crowd thinks.

 

[NeverEnough]

I agree with him, this whole thing Vick thing has been absurd. This guy has LONG since paid his "debt" to society, such that there was one.

 

[two_dollars]

If a dog and Vick were both in a burning building, I would save the dog. It's life is worth more than Vick's in my eyes. I mean, all it is is Mike Vick.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Dog lover here...

Vick got a pretty harsh punishment through the legal system, I will admit. But I keep thinking - what is the reason a person gets sent to prison? To pay their debt to society? To rehabilitate? To get a dangerous person off the streets? What exactly is the desired outcome of time spent in prison?

I'd be fine with letting Vick out of prison right now, with a few stipulations:

- He should never be allowed to own a dog again

- He donates a % of his earnings to SPCA (whether that be as a player back in the NFL or a cellphone salesman)

Oh, as for Joey Porter - TOOL

 

[sterjs]

Let me first say, I am no where close to being a supporter of PETA or any radical animal rights organization. I rarely post on here but can't stand by while the Michael Vick apologists try to rationalize that "all it was was dogs". Even if you think there is no problem with abusing dogs, you need to be aware that there is a correlation between those who beat women, children and commit violent crimes and those who think it is ok to beat or kill animals.

There's probably a correlation between people who drink alcohol and people who commit crimes. Should we lock up all the drunks for fear of the violent crimes they'll commit?The taxpayers have to pay the huge expense of imprisoning someone who is not a danger and who could be producing something instead of sitting in jail. It's a joke.

 

[thayman]

Let me first say, I am no where close to being a supporter of PETA or any radical animal rights organization. I rarely post on here but can't stand by while the Michael Vick apologists try to rationalize that "all it was was dogs". Even if you think there is no problem with abusing dogs, you need to be aware that there is a correlation between those who beat women, children and commit violent crimes and those who think it is ok to beat or kill animals.

There's probably a correlation between people who drink alcohol and people who commit crimes. Should we lock up all the drunks for fear of the violent crimes they'll commit?The taxpayers have to pay the huge expense of imprisoning someone who is not a danger and who could be producing something instead of sitting in jail. It's a joke.

 

[Dragon1952]

It's really sad to know that there are people like Vick in this world. It's an ignorant thing to do and only other ignorant people would condone it. Yeah, there are people that do much worse things. But that doesn't make what he did any less cruel, heartless, vicious and IGNORANT. OTOH he's paid the price and I don't see any problem letting him play again. The NFL is certainly hurting for QB's, that's for sure.

 

[BeaverBoy]

I really don't get how people can compare what Vick did to someone else that accidentally hits/kills someone while driving. I agree that drunk drivers suck, and they should get punished, but when they hit someone, it was an accident. A horrible accident, but still an accident. If they had purposely run down someone and killed them, then you could make the comparison, but they didn't. (although still no comparison as then it would be outright intentional murder of humans which would be way worse)

On the other hand, Vick and his minions intentionally raised/trained these dogs for the sake of killing each other. And in some cases killed the dogs themselves, and very cruelly from what I had heard. It wasn't an accident that they died.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Now, I don't mean to hoot and hollar let's go get Lynch in jail. But why does killing dogs get you in jail, and running over people doesn't?

Because we moved off the farms and raised our families in suburbia and lost touch with reality to the point where we began treating our animals like humans.

While I appreciate what you're saying, I think it's reasonable to say there is a difference between treating animals like humans and hanging, electrocuting and drowning under-performing fight dogs, not to mention putting Fifi the poodle in a pit bull match for entertainment value. Sick is sick, regardless of whether or not it's "just a dog".

 

[fatness]

Oh good. A Mike Vick thread. We haven't had many of those.

 

[Shrek]

He needs to better choose his wording, and coming all the way out with stuff like this...it ruffles feathers, and it's just not worth the drama. For what it's worth, he's obviously referring to the dog fighting, and not the killing.However, I don't completely disagree with the line of thinking.Marshawn Lynch can run a human being over and play football. If that person had died...is he still making a few millon bucks? Was what Vick did horrible, sure. But I definitely think he deserves another chance. I do think there should be certain animal protection laws, and I don't think what he did can be tolerated. But, you put people in prison so they're not a danger to society. I mean...Once busted I don't think he was going to run out and do it again. I'm sure this makes me a horrible person and what not.

Wow, your analogy skills really suck.

 

[Class Dismissed]

Vick got time because he lied, and continued to lie, his boy turned on him, and Vick got hung out to dry.

 

[Cheesedawg]

If a dog and Vick were both in a burning building, I would save the dog. It's life is worth more than Vick's in my eyes. I mean, all it is is Mike Vick.

Ditto for Joey Porter.

 

[Serenity Now]

Vick got time because he lied, and continued to lie, his boy turned on him, and Vick got hung out to dry.

This is exactly my thought. If he'd have confessed and been repentant from the get go, it would have gone much easier on him. He might have avoided the jail time entirely.

 

[allnight33]

I agree that Vick's punishment was steep. I could care less if he ever came back to football, so I'm really not choosing a side here. I'm just trying to figure out what good it does to say what Porter said about Vick. Porter definitely wasn't the only one to say something regarding "they were only dogs." I remember Clinton Portis and others laughing and saying the exact same thing. My point being, if there is this sentiment that "they are only dogs," then how is this helping Vick's side out in any way, period? It makes anyone on Vick's side look like idiots and shows they haven't learned a simple lesson from right and wrong.

 

[bcr8f]

Vick got time because he lied, and continued to lie, his boy turned on him, and Vick got hung out to dry.

This is exactly my thought. If he'd have confessed and been repentant from the get go, it would have gone much easier on him. He might have avoided the jail time entirely.

I doubt that. They may have been less if he gave up everyone including fellow NFL players.He's in jail for running a criminal enterprise, a racket. Dogs are involved but it's more about running a gambling racket across state lines. That's why the feds are involved. The state charges are about killing dogs. I think he has yet to face them.

 

[CMU37484]

Let me first say, I am no where close to being a supporter of PETA or any radical animal rights organization. I rarely post on here but can't stand by while the Michael Vick apologists try to rationalize that "all it was was dogs". Even if you think there is no problem with abusing dogs, you need to be aware that there is a correlation between those who beat women, children and commit violent crimes and those who think it is ok to beat or kill animals.

There's probably a correlation between people who drink alcohol and people who commit crimes. Should we lock up all the drunks for fear of the violent crimes they'll commit?The taxpayers have to pay the huge expense of imprisoning someone who is not a danger and who could be producing something instead of sitting in jail. It's a joke.

Seriously, are you really implying that unless someone is a "danger" to society they should be let out of jail? Ever heard of a "white collar" crime? While I agree that a correlation between the violence on dogs connecting to violence towards humans really isn;t a good argument for him BEING in prison, the beauty of all this is that there ARE laws againt what Michael Vick did, he broke them, was found guilty, and was sentenced accordingly.But the point of this thread is whether or not Joey Porter's comments were stupid. Not really....it's JOEY PORTER were talking about and he tells it like it is. It's an OPINION and because it makes for good sound bites reporters are always trying to get it.As for whether or not the NFL should reinstate Vick when released, I think they should. Society's rules say this guy did his time and now gets a nother chance in the world, why can;t the NFL model that?

 

[Cheesedawg]

Let me first say, I am no where close to being a supporter of PETA or any radical animal rights organization. I rarely post on here but can't stand by while the Michael Vick apologists try to rationalize that "all it was was dogs". Even if you think there is no problem with abusing dogs, you need to be aware that there is a correlation between those who beat women, children and commit violent crimes and those who think it is ok to beat or kill animals.

There's probably a correlation between people who drink alcohol and people who commit crimes. Should we lock up all the drunks for fear of the violent crimes they'll commit?The taxpayers have to pay the huge expense of imprisoning someone who is not a danger and who could be producing something instead of sitting in jail. It's a joke.

Seriously, are you really implying that unless someone is a "danger" to society they should be let out of jail? Ever heard of a "white collar" crime?

While I agree that a correlation between the violence on dogs connecting to violence towards humans really isn;t a good argument for him BEING in prison, the beauty of all this is that there ARE laws againt what Michael Vick did, he broke them, was found guilty, and was sentenced accordingly.

But the point of this thread is whether or not Joey Porter's comments were stupid. Not really....it's JOEY PORTER were talking about and he tells it like it is. It's an OPINION and because it makes for good sound bites reporters are always trying to get it.

As for whether or not the NFL should reinstate Vick when released, I think they should. Society's rules say this guy did his time and now gets a nother chance in the world, why can;t the NFL model that?

Joey Porter doesn't "tell it like it is". He is an attention-seeking buffoon who says whatever he thinks will get printed because, like Dennis Rodman, Chad Johnson, and other morons like him, he believes any publicity is good publicity. Even if it means minimizing or dismissing the torture and slaughter of animals for human amusement.

 

[JuniorNB]

If a dog and Vick were both in a burning building, I would save the dog. It's life is worth more than Vick's in my eyes. I mean, all it is is Mike Vick.

Ditto for Joey Porter.

An asspipe defending an asspipe. How shocking.

 

[BaBastage]

Vick got time because he lied, and continued to lie, his boy turned on him, and Vick got hung out to dry.

This is the biggie here for Vick and his sentence. If he'd come out and confessed, agreed that he was wrong, and offered reparations, he'd have gotten a hefty fine but probably no jail time.

Instead, he gave the proverbial finger to the prosecutors, thinking he was above their reach. THAT's why they gave him the full book.

That said, he's paid his dues and deserves another shot. After all, our judicial system is (supposed to be) about rehabilitation, not punishment, and if that's the case, what's the point of rehabilitating someone if they can't re-enter society afterwards?

 

[Cookiemonster]

Let's look at what Porter said. It is obviously "only dogs" 'cause when a dog attacks humans, it is almost instantly put to death, without trial or attempts to rehabilitate. No, dogs are certainly not held to the regard that humans are. Now, as a former linebacker, boxer & Marine, I'm not opposed to inflicting pain, incidental death or even flat-out killing if the situation calls for it (war, protection of people/property) but if someone doesn't get that knot in their stomach for torturing & killing innocent life... I certainly don't mind them being kept in confinement away from the rest of us. It takes a different kind of person to be into that #### and I don't want them around me or my familiy/friends. I don't give a damn if he's a really fast QB.

His penalty has been paid though, and he should be allowed back in the league. Let Al Davis hire him... no wait, that'd bring him closer to myself/family. Uh...

Raise your hands if you want your home team to sign him and bring him to your neck of the woods.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Just dogs! Hell, during hunting season my dog rides in the cab of my truck and my wife and kid in the bed. I love my wife and kid, but if they catch a cold it doesn't effect their ability to scare up birds.

BTW, joking here.