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John Brown Hype Train- Not as bad of reach as I thought (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Love the kid. Also own Floyd so just hoping one explodes.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He really could be a stud. I feel like he's following the Randall Cobb career track.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I'm way in on Brown. I think he's the top WR in Zona this year and it won't be too close. TY Hilton is a better comparison than Cobb.
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Grabbing every chance I get. Just got him 10.10 in a FFPC draft. I think his adp is going to rise.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
How so?
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DropKick
Footballguy
Brown has been on my short list for a while. The tail off at the end of last season has him down on the radar too. Any concern that a big change in weight effects his speed? Normally, I don't like to hear about big weight changes although Le-Veon Bell (lost weight) worked out OK last year.
buck naked
Footballguy
Because he is small, just as fast, plays the exact same position in the Arians offense, and was handpicked by Arians for that purpose.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I wasn't really talking about his size and attributes so much as his situation and career track, as I said. Hilton is another good example though. Obviously no two players are 100% alike.
I am gladly buying the hype - he will be a good-to-great NFL player.
From an FF point of view, however, I want to know how many targets he will wrestle from Fitz, Floyd and Ellington. When I look at it that way, I find it most likely that the three WRs will cancel each other's value.
From an FF point of view, however, I want to know how many targets he will wrestle from Fitz, Floyd and Ellington. When I look at it that way, I find it most likely that the three WRs will cancel each other's value.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Wrestled away 103 last year. With better QB play, he might catch a higher % too.
Exactly. At 100 targets each = all serviceable WRs, none elite for FF.
Careful what you wish for re: Palmer return.... It might end up benefiting Fitz and Floyd disproportionately more. Brown had more targets per game without Palmer than with him. Re: catch rate - it was still 50% even with Palmer, lowest of the three...
Not talking Brown down. Will be a good-to-great NFL player. Just pointing out reasons why his FF contribution might not be as close to WR2 as Rotoworld would like.
Careful what you wish for re: Palmer return.... It might end up benefiting Fitz and Floyd disproportionately more. Brown had more targets per game without Palmer than with him. Re: catch rate - it was still 50% even with Palmer, lowest of the three...
Not talking Brown down. Will be a good-to-great NFL player. Just pointing out reasons why his FF contribution might not be as close to WR2 as Rotoworld would like.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh I get it, very fair point. I just meant 100 targets rookie year is very solid. He is about the 42nd WR brig drafted so that's a very reasonable spot, but I could see him being much more of a best ball type player this year.
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
He just went pick 8.4 in a slow head-to-head draft. Well...that's it for me, he's officially priced out of my range.
Dynasty or re-draft? If you are a true believer, I can see pulling the trigger in dynasty in the 8th, and preparing to wait for Fitz to age and Floyd to leave.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Re-draft. Dynasty, I'd take him even earlier.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Every year, without fail, I tend to get "on board" with a few of the hype trains for a number of players.
Traditionally, its a bit of a letdown.
Lets face it, for every 10 players we hear singled out in the preseason, maybe 1 or even 2 do very well, (more often than not, its less
) or so it seems anyway.
Many weeks ago, the rumors surfaced of Geno Smith and Brandon Marshall practicing together, and actually living together.
These type of tidbits intrigue me, since I firmly believe that "chemistry" between 2 players often makes up for a slight decrease in talent, especially when it comes to fantasy.
But for many reasons I am not high on Marshall, its not like he wasn't a letdown last year.
Plus the wild QB production swings there for the Jets............etc. etc.
Anyway, now the rumors are swirling of Carson Palmer and John Brown becoming "practice buddies" and Palmer has a ton of praise for the guy.
That immediately hit my radar and the bells started ringing.
I really want to be gung ho for this guy Brown.
He seems likeable, he is a bit of a smaller guy. (by most NFL WR standards)
But he is electric. He just seems to make plays.
I have been watching a ton of games over the last few weeks from last year, and the Cardinals have been one team I have been paying particular attention to.
But the "will it ever go away" presence of Larry Fitzgerald, added to the Michael Floyd "Houdini act" where he seems to flat out disappear for games on end, then he comes back to life for extended stretches, well I don't really know where to stand on this guy Brown.
He really seems to be a boom-or-bust type receiver, and I don't know we can ever count on him for much more than that, at least at this point.
Once Fitzgerald moves on, or they sever ties with Floyd, I will be even more stoked.
I am certainly going to target him as a WR3 in some leagues.
I think at least at this point, he will be one of those "plug him in and take the bitter with the sweet" type of WR3 plays.
For many of the reasons above, I will keep myself in check, and keep the "personal hype" to a minimum.
TZM
Traditionally, its a bit of a letdown.
Lets face it, for every 10 players we hear singled out in the preseason, maybe 1 or even 2 do very well, (more often than not, its less
) or so it seems anyway.Many weeks ago, the rumors surfaced of Geno Smith and Brandon Marshall practicing together, and actually living together.
These type of tidbits intrigue me, since I firmly believe that "chemistry" between 2 players often makes up for a slight decrease in talent, especially when it comes to fantasy.
But for many reasons I am not high on Marshall, its not like he wasn't a letdown last year.
Plus the wild QB production swings there for the Jets............etc. etc.
Anyway, now the rumors are swirling of Carson Palmer and John Brown becoming "practice buddies" and Palmer has a ton of praise for the guy.
That immediately hit my radar and the bells started ringing.
I really want to be gung ho for this guy Brown.
He seems likeable, he is a bit of a smaller guy. (by most NFL WR standards)
But he is electric. He just seems to make plays.
I have been watching a ton of games over the last few weeks from last year, and the Cardinals have been one team I have been paying particular attention to.
But the "will it ever go away" presence of Larry Fitzgerald, added to the Michael Floyd "Houdini act" where he seems to flat out disappear for games on end, then he comes back to life for extended stretches, well I don't really know where to stand on this guy Brown.
He really seems to be a boom-or-bust type receiver, and I don't know we can ever count on him for much more than that, at least at this point.
Once Fitzgerald moves on, or they sever ties with Floyd, I will be even more stoked.
I am certainly going to target him as a WR3 in some leagues.
I think at least at this point, he will be one of those "plug him in and take the bitter with the sweet" type of WR3 plays.
For many of the reasons above, I will keep myself in check, and keep the "personal hype" to a minimum.
TZM
kutta
Footballguy
Brown was living with Carson too. They are supposedly getting pretty close.Every year, without fail, I tend to get "on board" with a few of the hype trains for a number of players.
Traditionally, its a bit of a letdown.
Lets face it, for every 10 players we hear singled out in the preseason, maybe 1 or even 2 do very well, (more often than not, its less
Many weeks ago, the rumors surfaced of Geno Smith and Brandon Marshall practicing together, and actually living together.
These type of tidbits intrigue me, since I firmly believe that "chemistry" between 2 players often makes up for a slight decrease in talent, especially when it comes to fantasy.
But for many reasons I am not high on Marshall, its not like he wasn't a letdown last year.
Plus the wild QB production swings there for the Jets............etc. etc.
Anyway, now the rumors are swirling of Carson Palmer and John Brown becoming "practice buddies" and Palmer has a ton of praise for the guy.
That immediately hit my radar and the bells started ringing.
I really want to be gung ho for this guy Brown.
He seems likeable, he is a bit of a smaller guy. (by most NFL WR standards)
But he is electric. He just seems to make plays.
I have been watching a ton of games over the last few weeks from last year, and the Cardinals have been one team I have been paying particular attention to.
But the "will it ever go away" presence of Larry Fitzgerald, added to the Michael Floyd "Houdini act" where he seems to flat out disappear for games on end, then he comes back to life for extended stretches, well I don't really know where to stand on this guy Brown.
He really seems to be a boom-or-bust type receiver, and I don't know we can ever count on him for much more than that, at least at this point.
Once Fitzgerald moves on, or they sever ties with Floyd, I will be even more stoked.
I am certainly going to target him as a WR3 in some leagues.
I think at least at this point, he will be one of those "plug him in and take the bitter with the sweet" type of WR3 plays.
For many of the reasons above, I will keep myself in check, and keep the "personal hype" to a minimum.
TZM
loose circuits
Footballguy
his ADP isn't near wr2 level and I don't get that vibe from Rotoworld, but he does have that type of upside so he becomes a bargain at some pointNot sure why fitz and Floyd would benefit disproportionately more when Brown has been living with Carson
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I was kind of surprised to see that Floyd had fewer targets but more production than Brown last season.
DropKick
Footballguy
I'm kind of surprised by the concern with Fitz and Floyd. Doesn't every team have multiple receiving options? Would you want John Brown to be "the guy"? Larry will be 32 in August and Floyd, over three seasons, hovers around the 50 reception mark. He is looking more and more like a "what you see is what you get" guy. I can think or bigger roadblocks to opportunity around the league.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I like Brown, but the hype is a bit much. The name dropping of TY, Antonio Brown and Marvin Harrison when comparing his skills doesn't help. Put John Brown on Indy and he's better than TY no doubt. But Palmer isn't Luck, is nearing the end of his career and the Cards play in the toughest division in football. A nice 5 WR for redraft, especially best ball, but I don't see more than that. In dynasty he is a big question mark. Palmer isn't the long-term answer and without a solid QB he'll be a good receiver on a poor offensive team. There are a lot of those guys.
Read, bro...who says his ADP is WR2?
On your second question - because Brown had more targets per game without Palmer. Doesn't mean much, but it's still a warning that a good QB at the helm is just as likely (if not more) to extract bonus FF production out of Fitz and Floyd as he is to benefit Brown.
I am not debating Brown's value and upside. I am also not saying he shouldn't benefit somehow from bunking with Palmer. Don't try to make this into a debate it's not.
loose circuits
Footballguy
i did read where you talked about rotoworld hyping him as a WR2, but they haven't been so maybe you need to peak at your last original paragraph. The last comment they made was that he could be a bargain at his 9th round ADP which is reasonable IMO and it seems like you agree despite your comments.Could it be possible that Brown earned more targets as he got more acclimated to the pro game and rose up the depth chart? He provides something that Floyd and Fitz (explosiveness) don't so if I had to pick an odd man out it would be Fitz even though he looked decent until Palmer got hurt.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I have him dead even with Martavis Bryant. I feel he did more with less last season. He's not the size speed freak that Bryant is....and yet he out scored him in ppr by 10% or so. His cost is less than Bryant and it shouldn't be. There is also the potential that Carson just locks onto him and he turns into Emmanuel sanders lite.
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
Brown appears to be a nice grab but be careful his adp will go up if people wake up. Charles Johnson went early 6th in a NFFC draft.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree with the idea that Fitz, Floyd and Brown could kind of all cancel each other making none of them very good for fantasy. Maybe Fitz is reliable, but low ceiling where Floyd and Brown are very up and down. What are the limitations on Palmer though?
I think Brown's situation is very similar to Davante Adams. Going to be hard to start any given week but has top-20 upside if either Fitz/Floyd go down. With Fitz/Floyd/Ellington, there are only so many targets to go around. I love Brown but I don't see how he's catching 70 balls even.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
I don't think that is too high. There aren't that many impact players left in the 8th in 12 team leagues. There are guys like Steve Smith, Stevie Johnson left who Brown could post similar or potentially better numbers.
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
Well the hype train will hit a new gear now - Michael Floyd broke three fingers in practice today and will be out for six weeks
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
I don't now if the injury helps much at all. Maybe if Brown does well the first week and Floyd is slow to get to good shape, Brown could run away with the #2 role. You are hoping Brown can get 900-1000 yards and 6-8 TDs. I think I reached for Brown a bit in the 8th of a 12 team PPR because the older guys like Boldin, Steve Smith I underestimated. Though the old guys could regress and you have seen their ceiling.
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