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I got ridiculed for saying the deal wasn't a lock earlier in a different thread, but I really think Moss wants to hear a few offers from other teams so he knows what he's giving up. Sure, I don't think money is the biggest issue for him, but this will be his last big payday, so it might come into play.I still think he ends up a Patriot, but just not as quickly as everyone had been saying.
Clayton would be wrong if Moss already signed with NE and it just hasn't been announced. I don't know if he meant to the letter of the law he is a free agent (even if he signed) until the deal is announced, or if he meant that there is no deal at all and that Moss is really, truly available to all 31 other teams.
Well, I think he's completely off base if he doesn't at least think Moss is giving NE every chance to sign him first. I just think he's saying Moss might look at a few offers to try and increase his contract with the Pats.
Actually, you got ridiculed for saying that NE was trying to sign him before today- which they could not do since his contract was already reworked once this calendar year.
sure seemd to coast in the playoffs
Dallas is much different caliber team than where Rick Fox would have landed.
On the flip side, why wouldn't his agent announce that he had no deal and was now fully available as a free agent? Agents LOVE to grandstand and evangelize about their clients. Yet Moss' agent only said no comment.
your reaching now....
Because Moss is not just some ordinary, average player. He's in a unique situation with his team, and do we not think the Patriots want to re-sign him the right way? Not at 12:01 on a Thursday night. Its not needed. And I dont think for a second he or his agent are out beating the pavement looking to improve their deal. If that's the case, he definitely wont be back in NE. And if it were to go down that way, Id wish him well anyway and move forward. he'll be inked in due time.
I just don't see how the Patriots don't keep Moss. That being said, I have to assume they have a deal in place, in principal already with Moss. But with all the negative press surrounding the Pats, I can't help but wonder if they want to wait a bit to make it look like they didn't start talking with him until they were legally allowed to. If they come out and announce a deal first thing, grumblings about the Pats doing more illegal stuff are bound to pop up.My guess is they announce he is resigning over the weekend or early next week.I going toif Moss told NE that he would sign some type of Hometown discount if they don't Tag him... FA opens up and hes demanding Top Dollar.Sorry, but if Moss was signed and sealed... why wait to announce it... its 8 am already
What does this even mean? "Its not needed"
Its not needed, just like its not needed for an 8 year old to wake his parents up at 5AM Christmas morning to open up presents. Those some presents will still be wrapped with the little kid's name still on the them if the kid woke up at 9. thats about as simple as I can make it.What does this even mean? "Its not needed"
If there was a deal there's no way we don't know by now IMO.I've never bought the idea that signing Moss was a slam dunk. The Pats have obviously done some pretty solid analysis looking at what they're willing to pay for each position, and they are nothing if not disciplined. They'll probably stretch to sign a guy who's the #1 talent of his generation, but I don't think they'll fundamentally discard the model that saw them win 3 Superbowls with average WR talent just to keep him.Is that enough for Moss to sign? I don't know - none of us do. My gut says they get a deal done, but it's far from a certainty.
I don't know. I think that ultimately Moss will remain a Patriot but longer this process drags out, the more likely that he gets a HUGE contract elsewhere.Its not needed, just like its not needed for an 8 year old to wake his parents up at 5AM Christmas morning to open up presents. Those some presents will still be wrapped with the little kid's name still on the them if the kid woke up at 9. thats about as simple as I can make it.What does this even mean? "Its not needed"
And if that happens, truly, more power to him. NE will have another 10mil to sign in other areas. Id love to see the guy come back. But Im not attaching myself to the hip with him. NE's won before without him. They'd win again. But if it were to happen, his moving on, Id wish the guy nothing but the best and hope the extra couple of mil is worth it to him for all the BS he would have previously said. Having said that, I think just a little patience is needed. Its not shocking to get a 'no comment' from an agent on occasion when they are likely to allow the team and the player to make the announcement. Which is what Id stated originally. NE wants to do it the right way with Moss if theyre doing it. Midnight in the middle of the week wouldnt do his re-signing justice, imo.I don't know. I think that ultimately Moss will remain a Patriot but longer this process drags out, the more likely that he gets a HUGE contract elsewhere.Its not needed, just like its not needed for an 8 year old to wake his parents up at 5AM Christmas morning to open up presents. Those some presents will still be wrapped with the little kid's name still on the them if the kid woke up at 9. thats about as simple as I can make it.What does this even mean? "Its not needed"
No. Which is why they cannot afford to let him go.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
3 starters in the secondary? I count only 1: Asante.Gay and Wilson weren't starters.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
nope their window has closedI know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
Especially when they start losing and don't force feed him TD's. (see playoffs)
That means they're still talking.
I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
True, but from a Pats fan perspective, its worrisome. The expectation of the optimistic fan was that when no Franchise tag went on Moss that it was a done deal, and we'd have a deal announced by now. Now its gonna be a long Friday. Better start
early.
If teams don't need to double cover Moss or leave extra help deep, they can bring up guys in the middle of the field so Brady can't dink and dunk to Welker for 100 catches again. Welker is not a #1I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
Welker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
We're not talking about special team's play, we're talking about WR's that play on the offense.Welker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
LOL, wow, Kelly Washington? You mean the guy that had 0 catches last year and 100 yards each of the two prior years?Welker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
with no moss and stallwroth deep threat, Id be betting welkers yard per catch would drop dramaticallyWelker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
Agreed. They would be slightly better than two years ago. Moss's loss (which I don't think will happen) would be a TREMENDOUS loss to their offense.with no moss and stallwroth deep threat, Id be betting welkers yard per catch would drop dramaticallyWelker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
I guess I need to work on myLOL, wow, Kelly Washington? You mean the guy that had 0 catches last year and 100 yards each of the two prior years?Welker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
skills.
my bad...I guess I need to work on myLOL, wow, Kelly Washington? You mean the guy that had 0 catches last year and 100 yards each of the two prior years?Welker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
Ahhhh....okay, I'll put away myI guess I need to work on myLOL, wow, Kelly Washington? You mean the guy that had 0 catches last year and 100 yards each of the two prior years?Welker in the slot is virtually uncoverable. No matter what coverage you play. And they resigned Kelly Washington... so its back to 3.I'd say if the WR's leave, then it's like they lost 4. Welker's value will be much diminished since there are no real threats playing on the outside and teams can move their better CB's to play him specifically. So, make it 4...sounds better.I know the Patriots always seem to find a way, but can they lose three important receivers (including the league's best) as well as three starters in the secondary and simply re-load again in 2008?
skills.
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You can't actually think that. Moss needs the Patriots way more than they need him, or are you forgetting about the three Super Bowls the Patriots have already won this decade without him? Tom Brady has proven that he can win with any type of receiving corps, but Moss has not proven he can thrive anywhere. Seems like simple arithmetic to me.
yes it is simple arithmetic. If team A offers Moss a significant amount more than team B he's going to follow the money.All it comes down to is whether the Pats are willing to pay him fair market value, if not he's gone.
I don't agree. Why can Moss only thrive in NE? Winning is what keeps him quiet. There are other teams out there capable of winning and making Super Bowl runs other than the Pats. Pats need him much more.
Moss is an FA going to the highest bidder... wether its the Pats or not.
Those were far different Pat teams that relied on their defense, not offense. This defense isn't good enough to go toe to toe, drive for drive with the likes of SD, Indy, Jax, etc. Moss made the offense from a good offense to a record breaking offense. The defense was able to be effective because the offense went out there and threw up ridiculous points and had tremendous TOP on a weekly basis which enabled them to be one dimensional in nearly the 2nd half of each game.If they lose him, the wheels won't completely fall off but they will take a BIG step down from where they were last year and their defense will be exposed MUCH more than they were able to be exposed this year.
Moss hasn't gone to visit any teams, either. Clearly both sides want to get a deal done, but are hammering out the details.Its been over 12 hrs since FA opened... there was no deal in place.Moss is an FA going to the highest bidder... wether its the Pats or not.
Agreed. The Pats are a very smart org. and realize how much he means. He'll be re-signed.Moss hasn't gone to visit any teams, either. Clearly both sides want to get a deal done, but are hammering out the details.Its been over 12 hrs since FA opened... there was no deal in place.
