John Clayton Speculates Palmer out till week 6.. (1 Viewer)

[DonnyT33]

If this is a Honda..so sorry my bad as I did not notice anything on the front page and i would think this would be stuck right near the top for quite some time..

If one thinks about it Carson had major knee surgery just last Feb. and NFL week one is early Sept this year. How can he possibly be ready to go week one? Would that organization allow their franchise player to go out there at less than 90%? I doubt it big time and have been ranking Carson accordingly, out of my top 12, all year long. No player has ever come back from such a tough injury that soon and i highly doubt Palmer will either. Sure their are conflicting reports out here but as most of us all know Coach/Player speak is said only to throw off the competition and that's what going on in Cinci. Figure him out till week six after their bye week and not a day sooner guys..again just use your heads on this one but I clipped this last night after is was said on John Clayton's radio show. Like him or not Clayton gets good info.

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

please don't ask for a link..again just use your

head and time frame established.

 

[diesel7982]

About what I expected from Donny.

 

[Bankerguy]

About what I expected from Donny.

 

[DonnyT33]

About what I expected from Donny.

meaning what?..speak up if you have a different opinion or know better than me.

 

[diesel7982]

About what I expected from Donny.

meaning what?..speak up if you have a different opinion or know better than me.

Nothing to do with that. Just the "I told you so's", "think about it" and "use your head" etc, only after John Clayton reported it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hi Donny,You say:

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

Is this your own writing and opinion of what you heard Clayton say?Or is it clipped from a website somewhere?If you heard Clayton say this, when did he say it? Thanks.J

 

[DonnyT33]

About what I expected from Donny.

meaning what?..speak up if you have a different opinion or know better than me.

Nothing to do with that. Just the "I told you so's", "think about it" and "use your head" etc, only after John Clayton reported it.

Sorry i should have said I havbe been using my head all year..check my drafts in the mock draft fourms..no Palmers and no opinions given on him. Why would I when i am playing with lots of guys and now for cash form this board..again diesel use your head..I have felt this way all along..when was the last time **ANY** player has come back form major knee surgery in 6 months? Never and he is a franchise player come on now..I have been around to long to not understand this situation.

 

[Armando]

 

[Bankerguy]

About what I expected from Donny.

meaning what?..speak up if you have a different opinion or know better than me.

Nothing to do with that. Just the "I told you so's", "think about it" and "use your head" etc, only after John Clayton reported it.

Sorry i should have said I havbe been using my head all year..check my drafts in the mock draft fourms..no Palmers and no opinions given on him. Why would I when i am playing with lots of guys and now for cash form this board..again diesel use your head..I have felt this way all along..when was the last time **ANY** player has come back form major knee surgery in 6 months? Never and he is a franchise player come on now..I have been around to long to not understand this situation.

Misinformation is a beautiful thing aint it?

 

[DonnyT33]

and no matter how you feel Diesel about me..has this been shown here yet? I seen this last night and figured this board was all over it or would be quickly. So i made this post to give you guys a heads up..kill me for thinking the same way i guess?

 

[DonnyT33]

Hi Donny,

You say:

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

Is this your own writing and opinion of what you heard Clayton say?Or is it clipped from a website somewhere?

If you heard Clayton say this, when did he say it?

Thanks.

J

Joe, he said this last night on his ESPN radio show. Just like it says in that quote. Not my writing either starting with " the quotes ". I did hear it and its exactly what he said.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hi Donny,

You say: 

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

Is this your own writing and opinion of what you heard Clayton say?Or is it clipped from a website somewhere?

If you heard Clayton say this, when did he say it?

Thanks.

J

Joe, he said this last night on his ESPN radio show. Just like it says in that quote. Not my writing either starting with " the quotes ". I did hear it and its exactly what he said.

Thanks Donny.Always feel free to pass along stuff like that you're hearing. I just wanted to make sure I understood exactly what you were saying.

Thanks.

J

 

[gman8343]

WTF?

The story & info look pretty straight forward to me, why all the hate?

 

[cstu]

About what I expected from Donny.

meaning what?..speak up if you have a different opinion or know better than me.

Nothing to do with that. Just the "I told you so's", "think about it" and "use your head" etc, only after John Clayton reported it.

Besides, I was saying this weeks ago. I guess it doesn't matter because I'm not John Clayton.

There's little doubt in my mind that Palmer could play week 1, but it's a question of the risk of him being re-injured if the knee isn't 100% healed and him feeling comfortable out there. I see no need to rush him back and let him play week 6 after the bye week Oct. 15. That's an extra month and a half for him to get ready and only 4 games that he'd miss.

 

[DonnyT33]

Hi Donny,

You say:

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

Is this your own writing and opinion of what you heard Clayton say?Or is it clipped from a website somewhere?

If you heard Clayton say this, when did he say it?

Thanks.

J

Joe, he said this last night on his ESPN radio show. Just like it says in that quote. Not my writing either starting with " the quotes ". I did hear it and its exactly what he said.

I also seen this quote last night atKFFL.com Hot off the Wire

& in DraftSharks.com pay site

 

[DonnyT33]

again this was sent to my email box from a very trusted friend in the business. Its from a pay site mentioend already..

Palmer, Carson (QB) Cincinnati Bengals May 27, 2006 4:08 PM

Miss First 4 Games?

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

Palmer, Carson (QB) Cincinnati Bengals May 27, 2006 4:08 PM

Miss First 4 Games?

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

 

[Gopher State]

Good update, thanks for the information

 

[DonnyT33]

Hi Donny,

You say:

John Clayton said on ESPN Radio's "The Huddle" that the plan is for Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee surgery) to sit out the first 4 games, then the week #5 bye, and suit up for week #6 at Tampa Bay. This is the same thing WR T.J Houshmandzadeh recently hinted at, giving Palmer that extra month to prepare and rehab. If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

Is this your own writing and opinion of what you heard Clayton say?Or is it clipped from a website somewhere?

If you heard Clayton say this, when did he say it?

Thanks.

J

Joe, he said this last night on his ESPN radio show. Just like it says in that quote. Not my writing either starting with " the quotes ". I did hear it and its exactly what he said.

Thanks Donny.Always feel free to pass along stuff like that you're hearing. I just wanted to make sure I understood exactly what you were saying.

Thanks.

J

No problem Joe I always try to, you guys and most of this board have been good to me in the past and I have gotten many heads up posts like this from here. I have no problem giving back. I did think this would be a honda as one of the dates on this bit of news looked to be from the 27th. I know Clayton just had to speak with reps from Cinci before he lets this out so it very likely good solid info and considering the time frame of this type injury you really cant argue with this info so much IMO. As I mentioned this was reported on the web by Draftsharks and KFFL which is where the quote was copied and pasted from when it was still FREE info.

 

[DonnyT33]

WTF?

The story & info look pretty straight forward to me, why all the hate?

Diesel thinks I only felt the same way after i heard Clayton say it so thats why the hate I think?..but i have felt this way for quite some time now..just not enough time to take a chance on such a top notch player. Carson could be the #1 pick in any NFL all player draft right now.and dont foprget the end part to that news..

If this happens then Palmer's fantasy value takes a big hit.

If..... so if you still think he will be ready to go week one then keep his ranking high or where you have him now..I myself am putting him even lower now that it looks like week six for sure now IMO.

 

[DonnyT33]

I think wehn Jason Woods see this news he will also say i told you so IF it does happen..as might a few of these other guys..it will be interesting to see if and when these rankings might change?

http://footballguys.com/viewrankings.php?v...=qb&howrecent=7

 

[CravenM]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Well let's talk FF while we're at it. Any backups worth having in Cinci now that Kitna's gone?

 

[DonnyT33]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

I could be interested in taking you up on this..no way is six moths enough time to come back from MAJOR knee surgery.

 

[DonnyT33]

Well let's talk FF while we're at it. Any backups worth having in Cinci now that Kitna's gone?

Looks like Anthony Wright has the inside track at being the back up or possibly playing the first four weeks.these are the rest in there camp.

QB Carson Palmer (inj), Anthony Wright, Doug Johnson, Dave Ragone, Erik Meyer

I also find it interesting that that felt they had to pick up Ragone recently with having Wright and Johnson around for some time now. Maybe they feel they just might need three QB's around who know the system for the first four weeks of play?

 

[gocats]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

Ive heard Palmer say himself that he'll be ready well before week 1, just take a look at the video I posted two weeks ago for those who dont believe otherwise

 

[TS Garp]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

I could be interested in taking you up on this..no way is six moths enough time to come back from MAJOR knee surgery.

Week 1 will be about nine months from his surgery.

 

[diesel7982]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

Ive heard Palmer say himself that he'll be ready well before week 1, just take a look at the video I posted two weeks ago for those who dont believe otherwise

Well, Palmer would be the most objective source for that information.

 

[DonnyT33]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

I could be interested in taking you up on this..no way is six moths enough time to come back from MAJOR knee surgery.

Week 1 will be about nine months from his surgery.

what was the date of the surgery? I thought they had to wait a week or two before the swelling went down bringing the date into Feb.? If so that would be about 7 months time untill week one.

 

[TS Garp]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

I could be interested in taking you up on this..no way is six moths enough time to come back from MAJOR knee surgery.

Week 1 will be about nine months from his surgery.

what was the date of the surgery? I thought they had to wait a week or two before the swelling went down bringing the date into Feb.? If so that would be about 7 months time untill week one.

Not sure of the exact date. I think it was mid to late January. I guess it'll be more like 7 1/2 -- 8 months when week 1 starts.

 

[DonnyT33]

He's throwing, jogging, running plays, lifting weights and isn't paid to scramble around.

He's got 3 months to improve his legs before game 1

$1000 says Palmer starts game 1

Ive heard Palmer say himself that he'll be ready well before week 1, just take a look at the video I posted two weeks ago for those who dont believe otherwise

Well, Palmer would be the most objective source for that information.

and also would keep the first weeks opponet from practicing for Wright and not him..could be player/coach type speak or just hoping

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think wehn  Jason Woods see this news he will also say i told you so IF it does happen..as might a few of these other guys..it will be interesting to see if and when these rankings might change?

http://footballguys.com/viewrankings.php?v...=qb&howrecent=7

If and when? Probably a zillion times between now Week 1. Our rankings are constantly being tweaked. And of course Palmer's ranking is all about when he returns. Same with Culpepper.There are reports all over. Palmer and Marvin Lewis say week 1. John Clayton and Houshmandzadeh say maybe week 6. It's all guesses right now.

J

 

[Bri]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

 

[Joe Bryant]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

 

[DonnyT33]

I think wehn Jason Woods see this news he will also say i told you so IF it does happen..as might a few of these other guys..it will be interesting to see if and when these rankings might change?

http://footballguys.com/viewrankings.php?v...=qb&howrecent=7

If and when? Probably a zillion times between now Week 1. Our rankings are constantly being tweaked. And of course Palmer's ranking is all about when he returns. Same with Culpepper.There are reports all over. Palmer and Marvin Lewis say week 1. John Clayton and Houshmandzadeh say maybe week 6. It's all guesses right now.

J

I hear you about the changes. It will still interest me to see who and when the changes are made on Palmer. I realize you and David have to be 100% sure before you make any drastic changes but the others can go a bit more out on a limb like Jason has etc. Doesn't the Lewis/Palmer make one think it could be just coach speak so the week one opponet will not practice much for Wright? It does seem like tha to me and Clayton gets solid info and you can bet he has talked to the GM or others in the Cinci organization before he cam out with these comments. TJ may just being more of a realist like me.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think wehn  Jason Woods see this news he will also say i told you so IF it does happen..as might a few of these other guys..it will be interesting to see if and when these rankings might change?

http://footballguys.com/viewrankings.php?v...=qb&howrecent=7

If and when? Probably a zillion times between now Week 1. Our rankings are constantly being tweaked. And of course Palmer's ranking is all about when he returns. Same with Culpepper.There are reports all over. Palmer and Marvin Lewis say week 1. John Clayton and Houshmandzadeh say maybe week 6. It's all guesses right now.

J

I hear you about the changes. It will still interest me to see who and when the changes are made on Palmer. I realize yuo and David have to be 100% sure before you make any drastic changes but the others can go a bit more out on a limb like Jason has etc. Doesn't the Lewis/Palmer make one think it could be just coach speak so the week one opponet will not practice much for Wright? It does seem like tha to me and Clayton gets solid info and you can bet he has talked to the GM or others in the Cinci organization before he cam out with these comments. TJ may just being more of a realist like me.

Changes will be made as more info comes out. Right now, it's John Clayton speculating. I wouldn't necessarily assume by any stretch he's basing that speculation on any information from a GM. In fact, I'd be shocked if a GM would admit that even if it were the case.I think what has everyone excited is the video where they can see with their own eyes Palmer moving around and he looks great. The ohter huge factor is his style. This isn't Mike Vick. Mobility has never been a huge part of his game. Dan Marino could barely move later in his career and he was pretty effective.

Very much a wait and see as the season is still a long ways off.

J

 

[DonnyT33]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.I bet when these players know they are playing aganst a dirty type player or a guy who will take you down low or anyway he can (R. Harrison types) or a player who has a history of things like this they put on the brace that week? These guys watch so much tape they know exactly what players/teams may practice this more dangerous way of tackling them.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.

I'd say he'll wear the brace every time he's under center for the rest of his career. Pretty much like Manning will. It's insurance.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.

What is your fascination with 100%? Nobody is 100% by week 2. The Bengals are ready to win now. Palmer at 85% is an easy call over Anthony Wright at 100%.

J

 

[Bri]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

No, well not reallythe brace shows a lack of confidence in their proprioception.

http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/supplem...prioception.php

In my experience, when that brace comes off your leg is wobbly(lack of a better word) and you need to reteach yourself to run or jump or sidestep or dance etc. My physical therapist would not let me wear it after a certain point sot hat I didn't rely on it like a crutch.

The best braces have these dials on the side of them and you can dial in your range of motion the brace will permit your leg to bend at.(The key to initial recovery from ACL surgery is range of motion) The dials are joined by two thin metal bars. The rest is just that thin felt stuff you see. I imagine smacking metal into your knee would not feel good. Nor do I think that thin felt could do much of anything to brace for a hit.

I would really guess it's about stability

ETA

As far as this thread, it could afford the player a chance to come back a little little bit early and feel comfy in the pocket. I don't think any physical therapist would recommend such a thing but the physical therapists in the NFL have alot of pressure to get a player back ASAP.

ETA again-I believe skiiers have a knee brace that could be worn to withstand an impact but I have never seen an NFL player wear something like that

 

[Joe Bryant]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

No, well not reallythe brace shows a lack of confidence in their proprioception.

http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/supplem...prioception.php

In my experience, when that brace comes off your leg is wobbly(lack of a better word) and you need to reteach yourself to run or jump or sidestep or dance etc. My physical therapist would not let me wear it after a certain point sot hat I didn't rely on it like a crutch.

The best braces have these dials on the side of them and you can dial in your range of motion the brace will permit your leg to bend at.(The key to initial recovery from ACL surgery is range of motion) The dials are joined by two thin metal bars. The rest is just that thin felt stuff you see. I imagine smacking metal into your knee would not feel good. Nor do I think that thin felt could do much of anything to brace for a hit.

I would really guess it's about stability

ETA

As far as this thread, it could afford the player a chance to come back a little little bit early and feel comfy in the pocket. I don't think any physical therapist would recommend such a thing but the physical therapists in the NFL have alot of pressure to get a player back ASAP.

ETA again-I believe skiiers have a knee brace that could be worn to withstand an impact but I have never seen an NFL player wear something like that

That'd be a good question for my ortho surgeon buddy. Let me give him a shout.J

 

[DonnyT33]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.

What is your fascination with 100%?Nobody is 100% by week 2. The Bengals are ready to win now. Palmer at 85% is an easy call over Anthony Wright at 100%.

J

I said near 100% and am fascinated with it in this case because as I have mentioned Carson Palmer just might be the best player in the NFL right now and could very well be the #1 pick in an all NFL player draft if they had one. So i am saying that with him being that good and still so young, the franchise best most talented player along with the face of the franchise they will make sure, or they should anyway, he is more than ready and healed up before they toss him to the Lions. If he sits out the first four weeks Joe and they are 2-2 do you think the team will be happy? You better believe they will and this is probably exactly their thinking. Not a huge difference from 3-1 or 2-2 so lets give him till week six and only our fifth game and make sure our prized possession is much better off and more healed up. This is my thinking with being near 100% healed up etc. near is 85-90% which as you said what most all players are for most of the year anyway. But almost none of them are coming off major knee surgery. Even if Carson is that 80-90 % come week one i still think they just might give him the extra time off to make sure just because of how good he is and will be for the next 10 plus year.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.

What is your fascination with 100%?Nobody is 100% by week 2. The Bengals are ready to win now. Palmer at 85% is an easy call over Anthony Wright at 100%.

J

I said near 100% and am fascinated with it in this case because as I have mentioned Carson Palmer just might be the best player in the NFL right now and could very well be the #1 pick in an all NFL player draft if they had one. So i am saying that with him being that good and still so young, the franchise best most talented player along with the face of the franchise they will male sure he is more than ready and healed up before they toss him to the Lions. If he sits out the first four weeks Joe and they are 2-2 do you think the team will be happy? You better believe they will and this is probably exactly their thinking. Not a huge difference from 3-1 or 2-2 so lets give him till week six and only out fifth game and make sure our prized possession is much better off and more healed up. This my thinking with being near 100% healed up etc. near is 85 90% which as you said moist all players are for most of the year anyway. Even if Carson is that % come week one i still think they just might give him the extra time off to make sure just because of how good he is and will be for the next 10 plus year.

I guess we'll see. My thinking is they are extremely interested in being 4-0. Extremely. And if that means Palmer is out there at 85%, I'd say they roll with it. But that's all pure speculation right now. Just like all this is. So we'll see.J

 

[DonnyT33]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.

What is your fascination with 100%?Nobody is 100% by week 2. The Bengals are ready to win now. Palmer at 85% is an easy call over Anthony Wright at 100%.

J

I said near 100% and am fascinated with it in this case because as I have mentioned Carson Palmer just might be the best player in the NFL right now and could very well be the #1 pick in an all NFL player draft if they had one. So i am saying that with him being that good and still so young, the franchise best most talented player along with the face of the franchise they will male sure he is more than ready and healed up before they toss him to the Lions. If he sits out the first four weeks Joe and they are 2-2 do you think the team will be happy? You better believe they will and this is probably exactly their thinking. Not a huge difference from 3-1 or 2-2 so lets give him till week six and only out fifth game and make sure our prized possession is much better off and more healed up. This my thinking with being near 100% healed up etc. near is 85 90% which as you said moist all players are for most of the year anyway. Even if Carson is that % come week one i still think they just might give him the extra time off to make sure just because of how good he is and will be for the next 10 plus year.

I guess we'll see. My thinking is they are extremely interested in being 4-0. Extremely. And if that means Palmer is out there at 85%, I'd say they roll with it. But that's all pure speculation right now. Just like all this is. So we'll see.J

this is their first four games Joe, the AIN"T going 4-0 and if they do thye will win the superbowl and looking at it 2-2 with Palmer would be good.@KC CLE @PIT NE

 

[The Redbeard]

As someone who had a full ACL reconstruction, I was back playing baseball again in 7 and a half months. Wearing a big old brace, yes. But playing catcher. So, while football is a totally different proposition, we are talking about the human body healing, and just like everything else, it is totally dependent on genetics and the individuals will. If Palmer is a quick healer - he could certainly be back.

 

[joffer]

I'm pretty sure i predicted this first, if i recall it was about 8 nanoseconds after the hit on his knee

 

[DonnyT33]

Palmer's played with a knee brace before

I had that question, Bri. Manning always plays with the left knee brace to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening. Palmer had one on when he was injured as well. I assumed it was more a precautionary thing. Is that the case?J

yes it was as well as the knee being sore or hit hard i would guess...but with this major surgery I doubt they will let him out on the field for real one day before he is very close to 100% and bank on him wearing this brace all year long no matter when he returns.

What is your fascination with 100%?Nobody is 100% by week 2. The Bengals are ready to win now. Palmer at 85% is an easy call over Anthony Wright at 100%.

J

I said near 100% and am fascinated with it in this case because as I have mentioned Carson Palmer just might be the best player in the NFL right now and could very well be the #1 pick in an all NFL player draft if they had one. So i am saying that with him being that good and still so young, the franchise best most talented player along with the face of the franchise they will male sure he is more than ready and healed up before they toss him to the Lions. If he sits out the first four weeks Joe and they are 2-2 do you think the team will be happy? You better believe they will and this is probably exactly their thinking. Not a huge difference from 3-1 or 2-2 so lets give him till week six and only out fifth game and make sure our prized possession is much better off and more healed up. This my thinking with being near 100% healed up etc. near is 85 90% which as you said moist all players are for most of the year anyway. Even if Carson is that % come week one i still think they just might give him the extra time off to make sure just because of how good he is and will be for the next 10 plus year.

I guess we'll see. My thinking is they are extremely interested in being 4-0. Extremely. And if that means Palmer is out there at 85%, I'd say they roll with it. But that's all pure speculation right now. Just like all this is. So we'll see.J

I think if we check back on how long it took every other player that has had the same surgery as Palmer we would not be calling this pure speculation. I think we would all realize how long a shot it would be for him to be ready in seven months. Rule of thumb alone is one year at least to play decent again and two full years to be back as was before the injury. How can we figure they will put this guy out there barly 7 months after his surgery? Then take into account how valuable this guy is to filling up the stadium for the next 10 years...it just adds up to letting him sit for those first four very tough games IMO.

 

[Big Score]

Jerry Rice came back from his own ACL surgery in only 8 months and that was some years ago. There have been both surgical & rehab advances since then.

Not saying Palmer will, but the precedent has certainly been set at a position asking far more of the ACL than the QB position...especially the way Palmer plays it.

 

[DonnyT33]

Who changed the title of my post and why? I said it was Clayton who made the comment in my post? I dont think that was very nice and not cool at all.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Jerry Rice came back from his own ACL surgery in only 8 months and that was some years ago. There have been both surgical & rehab advances since then.

Not saying Palmer will, but the precedent has certainly been set at a position asking far more of the ACL than the QB position...especially the way Palmer plays it.

Thank you Bigscore.Night and day difference for a WR returning and a QB. Even more for a drop back QB like Palmer.

And I"m not saying he can or can't. I'm saying it's WAY early to be acting like much of this is known at this point. We'll see.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Who changed the title of my post and why? I said it was Clayton who made the comment in my post? I dont think that was very nice and not cool at all.

I changed it to reflect what this topic is.J