John Fox is clueless... (1 Viewer)

[Avery]

From the Charlotte Observer:

Fox said he considered switching to Matt Moore during the game, but decided against it.

“There was discussion about it,” said Fox. “But overall, we felt like Jake was the best guy to be in there for what we were doing in this game, and that’s what we did.”

So Delhomme was sporting a QB rating of 12.7 ("bolstered" by two long completions on the last drive before his forth interception) for the game.To put that in perspective that's about half of Jamarcus Russell's lowest QB rating for a game this year and 1/3 of Derek Anderson's QB rating for his historically bad 2009 season.

I'll agree with Fox that Delhomme was "best guy to be in there for what we were doing in this game" but what they were doing was putting on a display of ineptitude on offense.

Perhaps Moore isn't the answer but clearly, at least to everybody but Fox, Jake is done and that huge extension was a colossal (read: $20 million guaranteed ) mistake.

Why not see what Moore has to offer for this team going forward to properly evaluate how the QB position needs to be addressed next year or is Fox just so damn sure that he's gone that he doesn't care to be looking forward?

 

[meanjoegreen]

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Perhaps Moore isn't the answer but clearly, at least to everybody but Fox, Jake is done and that huge extension was a colossal (read: $20 million guaranteed ) mistake.

Why not see what Moore has to offer for this team going forward to properly evaluate how the QB position needs to be addressed next year or is Fox just so damn sure that he's gone that he doesn't care to be looking forward?

The bolded portion answers the italicized portion.

 

[Avery]

I do realize that this has been a topic of conversation before and it's all well and good for you to contribute nothing to the thread but this week Delhomme played worse this week than any week this year after progressing a bit over the previous weeks and this is a new quote from Fox.I thought that might be worth a bit of discussion.Perhaps you should find your way to the "Bob Costas is wearing a toupee, right?" thread where important football talk abounds.

 

[Sweet Love]

During his tenure, John Fox has been a pretty good coach, but his biggest mistake has come back to bite him. When Delhomme went down in 2007, he saw what the team looked like without direction at QB with the Vinny/Carr/Moore show. I am not sure whether it was his or management's (or a combo of both) call not to draft a QB in 2008, but they are suffering dearly for not doing so. Said QB could have learned on the sidelines last year and when Jake faltered this year, he could have been inserted and the transition could have begun. Even if the team record would have been the same as it is now, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Fox got another year due to having a "green" QB. Now, they have wasted 2009, and unless there is some great QB FA (like Delhomme when he left NO), 2010 will be a wash too. The team is built to win now (Peppers on Franchise tag and Smith on the wrong side of 30), so I would expect to see many changes this offseason, including the exit of John Fox.

 

[Avery]

Just to add to the discussion, having said what I said about fox (obviously) being loyal to a fault with Jake, I would not be surprised to see Moore starting Sunday in Tampa. If nothing else, to save Jake further embarrassment.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I do realize that this has been a topic of conversation before and it's all well and good for you to contribute nothing to the thread but this week Delhomme played worse this week than any week this year after progressing a bit over the previous weeks and this is a new quote from Fox.

This subject has been beat to death, and no Jake did not play worse this week than any week this year. His first game of the season was worse. John Fox's quote is the same attitude he always has when asked questions about his quarterback situation. As for Jake, he will be somewhat up and sometimes very down all season. Rehashing the same old situation is futile. Now that the Panthers are getting further away from being in the playoff hunt maybe Moore will make an appearance soon.

 

[Avery]

I do realize that this has been a topic of conversation before and it's all well and good for you to contribute nothing to the thread but this week Delhomme played worse this week than any week this year after progressing a bit over the previous weeks and this is a new quote from Fox.

This subject has been beat to death, and no Jake did not play worse this week than any week this year. His first game of the season was worse. John Fox's quote is the same attitude he always has when asked questions about his quarterback situation. As for Jake, he will be somewhat up and sometimes very down all season. Rehashing the same old situation is futile. Now that the Panthers are getting further away from being in the playoff hunt maybe Moore will make an appearance soon.

Depends on what your definition of "worse" is.If you like passing yards then yes, his first game was worse.

If you go by QB rating then no, this weeks game was his worst of the year.

Things change in the NFL. Fox could justify keeping Jake on the field with some steady, if unspectacular QB play as of late. Now that Delhomme returned to historically craptastic QB play, it will be harder for Fox to keep him in the starting lineup despite his clear affinity for Jake.

I think that may warrant some new discussion, and I expect some more news on who may be starting for the Panther's as the week goes on.

Again, if you think that there is nothing new to discuss here, then feel free to make your way to some of the poorly disguised WDIS or "which announcer is more annoying" threads that litter the pool.

 

[omally]

Again, if you think that there is nothing new to discuss here, then feel free to make your way to some of the poorly disguised WDIS or "which announcer is more annoying" threads that litter the pool.

He elaborated so why are you still acting like a jerk, and I agree with him that this subject has been visited a lot this season. Eventually I think Fox will make a change at QB this season, maybe even week 13. As a Panther fan I'm all for giving Moore a chance. Jake is a great leader and his teammatees love him, but he just isn't the same QB that led us to the Super Bowl and to a couple NFC Championship games. You must own Steve Smith or one of the Panther running backs, otherwise I'm not sure why you have shown such an interest in Delhomme and bashing him this season when you are a Giants fan. I do think a QB change will be made soon, but it's too late to save the season and maybe too late to save some jobs.

 

[plymkr]

If they would hand off and run screens most of the time they would be o.k. For some reason they want to chuck it downfield all the time w/ the same result. You only have to do it enough to keep them honest. (the D) Look at Miami.

and...Matt Moore sucks.

 

[Zoomanji]

Fox is so fired this off-season. And the GM should be gone as well for paying Jake all that money

 

[Avery]

Again, if you think that there is nothing new to discuss here, then feel free to make your way to some of the poorly disguised WDIS or "which announcer is more annoying" threads that litter the pool.

He elaborated so why are you still acting like a jerk, and I agree with him that this subject has been visited a lot this season. Eventually I think Fox will make a change at QB this season, maybe even week 13. As a Panther fan I'm all for giving Moore a chance. Jake is a great leader and his teammatees love him, but he just isn't the same QB that led us to the Super Bowl and to a couple NFC Championship games. You must own Steve Smith or one of the Panther running backs, otherwise I'm not sure why you have shown such an interest in Delhomme and bashing him this season when you are a Giants fan. I do think a QB change will be made soon, but it's too late to save the season and maybe too late to save some jobs.

Fine. Sorry I'm being a jerk. I got a bit plucky when I think a topic deserves some new discussion, even if it's been discussed before, and a thread gets derailed by a lazy poster with an emoticon. Supposed to be the Shark Pool here where we discuss football topics. [/me-hijacking-my-own-thread]I'm actually interested because:

1. I play faatasy football. (kinda why I frequent this board)

2. I live in NC and follow the Panthers closely.

I'm sorry to offend you by seemingly to bash Jake. I think he's been great for the Panthers and a great team leader but that shouldn't give him a pass for his play going forward. This game of football is a fickle #####.

If you'd take less offense, Panther fan, if we moved this discussion to Moore, since it's becoming more likely we'll see him play, I'd be interested to see a scouting report on Moore on what his strength and weakness are.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Fox is nuts. He didn't even trust Delhomme enough to have passing plays called on most 3rd and longs. The first INT wasn't Delhomme's fault, but otherwise his INTs came because he is a QB has nothing left and has to just throw the ball up and hope something good happens. He was blindly throwing the ball up on his other two INTs to avoid sacks a la Rex Grossman. He is a mentally defeated QB, and the Panthers game plan seems to acknowledge this, yet Fox can't pull him.

 

[thatguythere]

I love the way Delhomme again held his hands to his head in astonishment (that he actually threw the ball that bad) after serving up the last wounded quail to the Jets.

 

[Avery]

If they would hand off and run screens most of the time they would be o.k. For some reason they want to chuck it downfield all the time w/ the same result. You only have to do it enough to keep them honest. (the D) Look at Miami.

and...Matt Moore sucks.

I'm not saying your wrong, and the poor stats on his 123 career attempts and Fox's refusal to go with Moore up to this point don't refute you, but I'm looking at his career and aside from some spot duty this year, he hasn't gotten any season reps since his rookie year.Perhaps with a full week of starter reps, he will show better than he did two years ago? Maybe (probably) wishful thinking, but I'm curious how and if he's progressed since we saw him as a starter last.

 

[Zoomanji]

Fox is nuts. He didn't even trust Delhomme enough to have passing plays called on most 3rd and longs. The first INT wasn't Delhomme's fault, but otherwise his INTs came because he is a QB has nothing left and has to just throw the ball up and hope something good happens. He was blindly throwing the ball up on his other two INTs to avoid sacks a la Rex Grossman. He is a mentally defeated QB, and the Panthers game plan seems to acknowledge this, yet Fox can't pull him.

Can't or won't?By not pulling him he's admitting that he's going to be fired the day after their week 17 game.

Happy New Year Carolina!

 

[Avery]

Fox is nuts. He didn't even trust Delhomme enough to have passing plays called on most 3rd and longs. The first INT wasn't Delhomme's fault, but otherwise his INTs came because he is a QB has nothing left and has to just throw the ball up and hope something good happens. He was blindly throwing the ball up on his other two INTs to avoid sacks a la Rex Grossman. He is a mentally defeated QB, and the Panthers game plan seems to acknowledge this, yet Fox can't pull him.

It seems it has reached the turning point from Fox's loyalty to Jake mandating that he play Jake to Fox's loyalty to Jakes mandates that he bench Jake.

 

[omally]

I'm sorry to offend you by seemingly to bash Jake. I think he's been great for the Panthers and a great team leader but that shouldn't give him a pass for his play going forward. This game of football is a fickle #####.If you'd take less offense, Panther fan, if we moved this discussion to Moore, since it's becoming more likely we'll see him play, I'd be interested to see a scouting report on Moore on what his strength and weakness are.

I never said or implied you offended me, but you are indeed a jerk.

 

[omally]

Fox is nuts. He didn't even trust Delhomme enough to have passing plays called on most 3rd and longs. The first INT wasn't Delhomme's fault, but otherwise his INTs came because he is a QB has nothing left and has to just throw the ball up and hope something good happens. He was blindly throwing the ball up on his other two INTs to avoid sacks a la Rex Grossman. He is a mentally defeated QB, and the Panthers game plan seems to acknowledge this, yet Fox can't pull him.

Fox can pull him, but so far he has chosen not to do it. This is just an observation, but I noticed a few times this year when Jake was talking about discussions he has had with Fox, he has referred to Fox as "John". They must have a close relationship, because usually players refer to their coaches as "coach", or maybe it was just a slip of the tongue with the media. Maybe Fox's loyalty isn't just in a player, but in a close friend as well. Anyway, Jake needs to be benched.

 

[Avery]

I'm sorry to offend you by seemingly to bash Jake. I think he's been great for the Panthers and a great team leader but that shouldn't give him a pass for his play going forward. This game of football is a fickle #####.If you'd take less offense, Panther fan, if we moved this discussion to Moore, since it's becoming more likely we'll see him play, I'd be interested to see a scouting report on Moore on what his strength and weakness are.

I never said or implied you offended me, but you are indeed a jerk.

Tried to make nice.Apologized, even though I didn't feel I needed to, to keep things civil, follow the Shark Pool mantra and "be excellent to each other", and refocus the thread on the topic at hand.You respond by name calling... again.Let me remind you, straight from Joe:

#2. Keep the personal attacks way down. I understand it's football and you're passionate. I am too. But I'm seeing the tool factor going way up in some of these posts and we can't have it. Disagree, argue, debate, support, critique whatever. But if you can't keep from calling the other guy a dumb###, you won't be posting here. This is the time of year when I have 10,000 urgent things to do every day. So please don't push this.

 

[H.K.]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.

But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.

Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.

The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

 

[Avery]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.

But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.

Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.

The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

Not a very exciting list here.2009 NFL Free Agents: Top Quarterbacks

Maybe if you think Campbell and/or Jackson sucking is a result of poor coaching they could be possibilities to compete for the gig.

 

[Koya]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

Finding someone "established" will be near impossible - and rookie QBs take time, with some notable exceptions. How about someone like David Carr? What is his contract situation with the Giants? I'd hate to lose him as I think Carr can be serviceable, and even a bit better than that on the right team, but he may be someone available with some upside. Carr has shown that when he has some time, he can be a decent looking QB (of course, could implode, but I do see upside).It sure doesnt sound like a Mike Vick town - nor am I high on Vick ever becoming a viable starting QB. Who else is out there?This could be an ok spot for pennington, if he only had a weak arm, and not a completely obliterated one.

 

[simey]

How about someone like David Carr? It sure doesnt sound like a Mike Vick town - nor am I high on Vick ever becoming a viable starting QB. Who else is out there?

No, on David Carr. He already was on the roster here in Carolina for a year, and he was awful.No, on Michael Vick. He isn't a good QB, and I think he is a piece of trash.

 

[Avery]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.

But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.

Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.

The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

Finding someone "established" will be near impossible - and rookie QBs take time, with some notable exceptions. How about someone like David Carr? What is his contract situation with the Giants? I'd hate to lose him as I think Carr can be serviceable, and even a bit better than that on the right team, but he may be someone available with some upside. Carr has shown that when he has some time, he can be a decent looking QB (of course, could implode, but I do see upside).It sure doesnt sound like a Mike Vick town - nor am I high on Vick ever becoming a viable starting QB. Who else is out there?

This could be an ok spot for pennington, if he only had a weak arm, and not a completely obliterated one.

IIRC, Carr just resigned for two years with the Giants. Depending on Bohmar's development, they could let him go I guess, but I doubt it. Anyway, I would think that his first stint with the Panther's likely soured the franchise on bring him in.

 

[simey]

Tried to make nice.

You sure about that? You seemed a bit condescending to me.

 

[steelerfan1]

jp losman maybe?

 

[Koya]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.

But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.

Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.

The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

Finding someone "established" will be near impossible - and rookie QBs take time, with some notable exceptions. How about someone like David Carr? What is his contract situation with the Giants? I'd hate to lose him as I think Carr can be serviceable, and even a bit better than that on the right team, but he may be someone available with some upside. Carr has shown that when he has some time, he can be a decent looking QB (of course, could implode, but I do see upside).It sure doesnt sound like a Mike Vick town - nor am I high on Vick ever becoming a viable starting QB. Who else is out there?

This could be an ok spot for pennington, if he only had a weak arm, and not a completely obliterated one.

IIRC, Carr just resigned for two years with the Giants. Depending on Bohmar's development, they could let him go I guess, but I doubt it. Anyway, I would think that his first stint with the Panther's likely soured the franchise on bring him in.

I forget Carr already had some time down there. I could really see Carr having a nice late start to a career as a workable option for the right team.

 

[Avery]

Tried to make nice.

You sure about that? You seemed a bit condescending to me.

I think I did.Intent and tone can easily be misconstrued with the written word that's why I think it's best to read posts and take the words at face value instead of trying to read in a perceived "tone."For example, I would take, "Sorry I'm being a jerk. I got a bit plucky when I think a topic deserves some new discussion, even if it's been discussed before..." as an apology and an explanation (i.e. "making nice") and "you are indeed a jerk." as simple name calling.

 

[simey]

jp losman maybe?

I'd like to see them get that Dixon kid from the Steelers.

 

[Avery]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.

But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.

Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.

The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

Finding someone "established" will be near impossible - and rookie QBs take time, with some notable exceptions. How about someone like David Carr? What is his contract situation with the Giants? I'd hate to lose him as I think Carr can be serviceable, and even a bit better than that on the right team, but he may be someone available with some upside. Carr has shown that when he has some time, he can be a decent looking QB (of course, could implode, but I do see upside).It sure doesnt sound like a Mike Vick town - nor am I high on Vick ever becoming a viable starting QB. Who else is out there?

This could be an ok spot for pennington, if he only had a weak arm, and not a completely obliterated one.

IIRC, Carr just resigned for two years with the Giants. Depending on Bohmar's development, they could let him go I guess, but I doubt it. Anyway, I would think that his first stint with the Panther's likely soured the franchise on bring him in.

I forget Carr already had some time down there. I could really see Carr having a nice late start to a career as a workable option for the right team.

I too think he has become a better QB than people who remember his time in Houston will believe but I'm not sure, short of injury, he'll ever be given the chance.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Fox is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

He has to play Jake because Jake is getting paid too much to sit him.

So, Fox will do his duty, start Jake, and then get fired because it will be determined that it was Fox's fault that the million dollar quarterback wasn't able to succeed.

Then a new coach will be brought in and told to do exactly what Fox was told: win with Jake, or be fired.

 

[corpcow]

Fox is nuts. He didn't even trust Delhomme enough to have passing plays called on most 3rd and longs. The first INT wasn't Delhomme's fault, but otherwise his INTs came because he is a QB has nothing left and has to just throw the ball up and hope something good happens. He was blindly throwing the ball up on his other two INTs to avoid sacks a la Rex Grossman. He is a mentally defeated QB, and the Panthers game plan seems to acknowledge this, yet Fox can't pull him.

Sig, what are your thoughts on Moore in this offense?

 

[Avery]

Fox is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

He has to play Jake because Jake is getting paid too much to sit him.

So, Fox will do his duty, start Jake, and then get fired because it will be determined that it was Fox's fault that the million dollar quarterback wasn't able to succeed.

Then a new coach will be brought in and told to do exactly what Fox was told: win with Jake, or be fired.

Say they bring in a coach with the success and reputation of someone like Cowher.Don't you think they'd let him bring in a new QB if that was the direction they wanted to go? To put it another way, don't you think to land a big name like Cowher, he would demand a new QB?

 

[H.K.]

Lots of rumors that Fox will be replaced after this year....mostly people saying they'll get Cowher.

But even if a change at coach does happen, I am not sure anyone will do much better with what they have on the roster at QB.

Franchise QB's aren't exactly easy to come by, and the Panthers did a nice job in getting Delhomme to begin with and won a lot of games with him...now it looks like the end is near, though.

The Panthers have a good OL and good RB's, their defense is decent so they can win games with a good QB....problem is, who are they going to get that can help them behind center?

Finding someone "established" will be near impossible - and rookie QBs take time, with some notable exceptions. How about someone like David Carr? What is his contract situation with the Giants? I'd hate to lose him as I think Carr can be serviceable, and even a bit better than that on the right team, but he may be someone available with some upside. Carr has shown that when he has some time, he can be a decent looking QB (of course, could implode, but I do see upside).It sure doesnt sound like a Mike Vick town - nor am I high on Vick ever becoming a viable starting QB. Who else is out there?

This could be an ok spot for pennington, if he only had a weak arm, and not a completely obliterated one.

Carr was horrible in Carolina when called upon (58.3 passer rating in 4 games), he wouldn't be back even if he were available.Vick would not fit the culture of the franchise ownership seems to prefer (IMHO Richarson would not want the media scrutiny, either), and Pennington is nothing more than a band-aid who couldn't leverage Smith's deep threat ability.

It all goes back to my original point, a new coach really isn't going to fix their issues without solving the QB problem....and finding a replacement for Jake doesn't look too promising right now.

Carolina doesn't have a first round pick in 2010 right now, either.

Watching Dixon last night made me wonder if a guy in his situation might be a possiblity. What back-ups are available that may not cost too much in terms of draft picks?

 

[H.K.]

jp losman maybe?

I'd like to see them get that Dixon kid from the Steelers.

Posted before I read this, he certainly would be in the type of situation that would make him acquirable, and he probably is worth the gamble given his skill set and college success.

 

[Avery]

jp losman maybe?

I'd like to see them get that Dixon kid from the Steelers.

Posted before I read this, he certainly would be in the type of situation that would make him acquirable, and he probably is worth the gamble given his skill set and college success.

I don't know his contract situation, but given Batch's fragility, I wouldn't be shocked if he's not back with the Steelers next year giving Dixon a shot at the backup job there.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Fox is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

He has to play Jake because Jake is getting paid too much to sit him.

So, Fox will do his duty, start Jake, and then get fired because it will be determined that it was Fox's fault that the million dollar quarterback wasn't able to succeed.

Then a new coach will be brought in and told to do exactly what Fox was told: win with Jake, or be fired.

Say they bring in a coach with the success and reputation of someone like Cowher.Don't you think they'd let him bring in a new QB if that was the direction they wanted to go? To put it another way, don't you think to land a big name like Cowher, he would demand a new QB?

Maybe. But there are a lot of unemployed coaches out there who are going to tell Jerry Richardson, "I can win with Jake Delhomme as quarterback." And that's what Richardson wants to hear.The last thing Richardson wants to hear is, "Not only do you have to pay extra for someone like Bill Cowher, but you also have to flush $20 million down the toilet AND shell out millions more for a free agent QB."

 

[steelerfan1]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Carolina Panthers QB Jake Delhomme (finger) has a fractured right finger and will undergo tests Monday, Nov. 30, to determine how much time he will miss.

 

[sparkky]

didn't they just report Jake has a broken bone in his throwing hand on NFLN? that may make the decision easier.

as for a replacement, I bet Cleveland will part with a qb this off season. Clemens in NY could be available maybe.

 

[Avery]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Carolina Panthers QB Jake Delhomme (finger) has a fractured right finger and will undergo tests Monday, Nov. 30, to determine how much time he will miss.

Odds of this being true vs. Jake and John saving face?

 

[floridamike]

When del Rio gets fired and their owner drafts Tebow then Garrard may want to come back to NC and play for the Panthers. Be a great fit with the line the Panthers will have back next year and he does well with with a strong run game and even a hint of protection.

For that matter, bring Steve Logan in as QB coach and aast. OC (Tampa's RB coach, former Boston College OC and Garrard's former college coach). He's a great QB coach and could help ANY offense. He's a helluva better than Jeff Richardson right now.

Fox is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

He has to play Jake because Jake is getting paid too much to sit him.

So, Fox will do his duty, start Jake, and then get fired because it will be determined that it was Fox's fault that the million dollar quarterback wasn't able to succeed.

Then a new coach will be brought in and told to do exactly what Fox was told: win with Jake, or be fired.

Say they bring in a coach with the success and reputation of someone like Cowher.Don't you think they'd let him bring in a new QB if that was the direction they wanted to go? To put it another way, don't you think to land a big name like Cowher, he would demand a new QB?

Maybe. But there are a lot of unemployed coaches out there who are going to tell Jerry Richardson, "I can win with Jake Delhomme as quarterback." And that's what Richardson wants to hear.The last thing Richardson wants to hear is, "Not only do you have to pay extra for someone like Bill Cowher, but you also have to flush $20 million down the toilet AND shell out millions more for a free agent QB."

 

[H.K.]

jp losman maybe?

I'd like to see them get that Dixon kid from the Steelers.

Posted before I read this, he certainly would be in the type of situation that would make him acquirable, and he probably is worth the gamble given his skill set and college success.

I don't know his contract situation, but given Batch's fragility, I wouldn't be shocked if he's not back with the Steelers next year giving Dixon a shot at the backup job there.

I don't disagree, but Ben is young he'll be the guy in Pitt for a long time. Also, I would imagine Dixon can be had at cost the Panthers could afford and the Steelers would accept.He was a fifth round pick. Contract Information for Dennis Dixon: 7/7/2008: Signed a three-year, $1.28 million contract. The deal included a $130,000 signing bonus. 2009: $385,0002010: $470,0002011: Restricted Free Agent The Steelers have him as a bit of a luxury right now and their is always a tipping point between value on the bench and improving the team in other areas on the field. If they can leverage him to get better elsewhere, it's a good move for them.Again, even if it isn't Dixon, the Panthers will need to get someone akin to his situation in the hopes that they can find the next Jake. As things stand today, the draft doesn't seem to be the likely place.

 

[TommyGilmore]

When del Rio gets fired and their owner drafts Tebow then Garrard may want to come back to NC and play for the Panthers. Be a great fit with the line the Panthers will have back next year and he does well with with a strong run game and even a hint of protection.

I'd like to see Carolina draft Tebow. It seems like no NFL team has the guts to utilize Tebow's strengths, so why shouldn't Carolina say "Screw it -- we're gonna lose with Delhomme at QB, so why not bring in Tebow and start running Florida's spread offense just to see what happens?"

 

[JamesTheScot]

Fox is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

He has to play Jake because Jake is getting paid too much to sit him.

So, Fox will do his duty, start Jake, and then get fired because it will be determined that it was Fox's fault that the million dollar quarterback wasn't able to succeed.

Then a new coach will be brought in and told to do exactly what Fox was told: win with Jake, or be fired.

Say they bring in a coach with the success and reputation of someone like Cowher.Don't you think they'd let him bring in a new QB if that was the direction they wanted to go? To put it another way, don't you think to land a big name like Cowher, he would demand a new QB?

Maybe. But there are a lot of unemployed coaches out there who are going to tell Jerry Richardson, "I can win with Jake Delhomme as quarterback." And that's what Richardson wants to hear.The last thing Richardson wants to hear is, "Not only do you have to pay extra for someone like Bill Cowher, but you also have to flush $20 million down the toilet AND shell out millions more for a free agent QB."

I'm not so sure about this. That would imply that Richardson is more loyal to Jake than even Fox is. He's now going to choose who runs his franchise over the next few years based on the fact that he wants to see Jake get enough starts to justify his salary?I think Jake has played so poorly that ownership won't mind going in a different direction. At this point, it has to offend even Richardson that he's paying Delhomme that kind of money.

As long as the Panthers stay cap compliant, Richardson only really has to worry about how much his pocket bleeds in terms of real world money. He can recoup real world money by putting a winning product on the field. How does sticking with Jake help him do that? If someone like Cowher takes the job, they get carte blanche to do what they want at QB as long as it fits in the cap stucture.

 

[floridamike]

Which first-rounder is Carolina going to use to draft Tebo? The one they get for Steve Smith (they sure haven't helped his trade value this year) or the one for Peppers (sure wish someone would give them that for his lazy UNC-a@#).

 

[rrhartjr]

I've always thought Jason Campbell might be a good fit in CAR. He's not bad (that's all he has to be with good RBs and good Oline) with good protection. I seriously doubt WAS is going to extend him (FA in 2010) after they tried their hardest to replace him this year.