John Kennedy - lone gunman or more conspirators? (1 Viewer)

[FlapJacks]

 

[VA703]

+1 for magic bullet

 

[DiStefano]

 

[mquinnjr]

Is this your guess for number of gunmen?

 

[FlapJacks]

Is this your guess for number of gunmen?

which one(s) are in the grassy knoll?

 

[timschochet]

It was two guys: Sirhan and Sirhan.

 

[The Hardline]

Back and to the left......Back and to the left......Back and to the left

 

[Norman Paperman]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

 

[Sarnoff]

If anyone else took a shot, they all missed. Only the book depository window lines up with the impacts.

 

[NCCommish]

I strongly believe that there were additional shooters. There were witnesses that were discounted because their story was different than the official "lets move on" story.

 

[Josie Maran]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

Pretty doubtful there were over 40 lone gunmen either.

Apparently no one shot Kennedy.

 

[Norman Paperman]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

Pretty doubtful there were over 40 lone gunmen either.

Apparently no one shot Kennedy.

Mick Jagger said after all it was you and me

 

[Sarnoff]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

Pretty doubtful there were over 40 lone gunmen either.

Apparently no one shot Kennedy.

Jump to 3:45

Creepy Guy: Know how many assassins it took to kill JFK?

Nelson Hibbert: One?

Creepy Guy: Nope. There were no gunmen at all. Kennedy's head just did that. I call it the "No Bullet theory."

 

[fantasycurse42]

Carlos Marcello

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Carlos Marcello

Dude, no, no, and no. Also take Clay Shaw and David Ferrie off the imaginary list.

 

[SacramentoBob]

A lone gunman with other conspirators.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

23-17 Lone Gunman overall. I think as we get further away from the shock and the all the political freight that people have carried into this thing we all get closer to seeing the truth more closely. Lone gunman.

 

[MikeIke]

Oswald may have been the only shooter, but I feel he had backup. I don't think he planned and executed the whole thing on his own. I think the Cubans were involved, at least with the logistics.

 

[17seconds]

should be a landslide

he leaned to the left and there were under 40 conspirators

 

[msommer]

Poll flawed. No 'Don't care' option

 

[FlapJacks]

Poll flawed. No 'Don't care' option

null vote is the "What difference, at this point, does it make" vote...

 

[FlapJacks]

Carlos Marcello

Frank Sturgis

 

[jon_mx]

should be a landslide

he leaned to the left and there were under 40 conspirators

No doubt. The over/under for conspirators should have been like 3 or 4.

 

[Fennis]

the only sane group appears to be lean left and under 40.

Lean left under 40 Lone gunman (9 votes [14.06%])

Percentage of vote: 14.06%

Lean left under 40 Conspirators (0 votes [0.00%])

 

[Stinger Ray]

For those that think it was only Oswald....do you think he had any help in the planning?

 

[Fennis]

I think it was a lone gunman, but not Oswald.

If I had to bet I would say it was LBJ who was the trigger man.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Under 40, left.

I'm fairly sure that Oswald was the only one shooting, but I wouldn't bet that he was acting only on behalf of himself.

 

[Sarnoff]

To those who think Oswald was framed, where did his curtain rods go?

 

[FlapJacks]

tangentially related...I found thsi tidbit interesting

Former KGB archivist Vasili Mitrokhin indicated in 1999 that Hunt was made part of a fabricated conspiracy theory disseminated by a Soviet "active measures" program designed to discredit the CIA and the United States.[54][55] According to Mitrokhin, the KGB created a forged letter from Oswald to Hunt implying that the two were linked as conspirators, then forwarded copies of it to "three of the most active conspiracy buffs" in 1975.[54] Mitrokhin indicated that the photocopies were accompanied by a fake cover letter from an anonymous source alleging that the original had been given to FBI Director Clarence Kelley and was apparently being suppressed.[54]

makes you wonder how much of this kind of thing goes on today...

 

[Sarnoff]

tangentially related...I found thsi tidbit interesting

Former KGB archivist Vasili Mitrokhin indicated in 1999 that Hunt was made part of a fabricated conspiracy theory disseminated by a Soviet "active measures" program designed to discredit the CIA and the United States.[54][55] According to Mitrokhin, the KGB created a forged letter from Oswald to Hunt implying that the two were linked as conspirators, then forwarded copies of it to "three of the most active conspiracy buffs" in 1975.[54] Mitrokhin indicated that the photocopies were accompanied by a fake cover letter from an anonymous source alleging that the original had been given to FBI Director Clarence Kelley and was apparently being suppressed.[54]

makes you wonder how much of this kind of thing goes on today...

Forged letters to fabricate an illegal political conspiracy to discredit the US? Pretty sure that's how Dan Rather lost his job.

 

[simey]

no leanings over 40 Conspirators

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

If anyone else took a shot, they all missed. Only the book depository window lines up with the impacts.

So Oswald on his own beat everyone else that was there to the punch.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

How about 40 conspiracies?

 

[Aerial Assault]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

How about 40 conspiracies?

Actually, there are probably more like 100 by this point . . . each more ridiculous than the next.

 

[talongrey]

I can't believe people still don't get it.....Dal-Tex Building, grassy knoll, Mafia + others, Oswald was a patsy.

 

[Mister CIA]

no leanings over 40 Conspirators

I'm not one to brag, but

 

[Your Mother's Twin Sister]

Poll flawed. No 'Don't care' option

 

[Short Corner]

Case was solved in two hours people. Move along and don't ask any questions.

 

[FUBAR]

There is no way there were over 40 conspirators.

Pretty doubtful there were over 40 lone gunmen either.Apparently no one shot Kennedy.

Mick Jagger said after all it was you and me

What's puzzling you is the nature of my game.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Oswald was in the tower shooting at Kennedy, but the actual kill shot was accidentally fired by the secret service agent in the car behind him.

Thus the coverup.

 

[17seconds]

Oswald was in the tower shooting at Kennedy, but the actual kill shot was accidentally fired by the secret service agent in the car behind him.

Thus the coverup.

There was no first shot, it was heartburn. Connally turned backward to get a Zantac, then the secret service accidently shot Kennedy.

 

[Rayderr]

Oh, there was defintiely a conspiracy to kill JFK. But unfortunately for them, lone gunman Oswald shot him first, so all the would be assassins were like "WTF!?!?"

 

[NCCommish]

Want to convince me it was one guy? Release all the damn files already. You know I'd like to know more about the CIA guy who it seems was Oswald's handler who Congress was never told about. I'd like to know more about this:

In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board interviewed former military investigators who said they were involved in investigating Oswald. One former official reported that among the findings were that “Oswald was incapable of committing the assassination alone,” according to the board’s final report, issued in 1998 when the congressionally mandated panel expired.

There is a lot everyone should want to know more about.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Assassination Records Review Board

That seems like a nice addition to the resume.

 

[NCCommish]

Assassination Records Review Board

That seems like a nice addition to the resume.

Although a bit limited. Fortunately we don't have many assassinations these days.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Want to convince me it was one guy? Release all the damn files already. You know I'd like to know more about the CIA guy who it seems was Oswald's handler who Congress was never told about. I'd like to know more about this:

In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board interviewed former military investigators who said they were involved in investigating Oswald. One former official reported that among the findings were that “Oswald was incapable of committing the assassination alone,” according to the board’s final report, issued in 1998 when the congressionally mandated panel expired.

There is a lot everyone should want to know more about.

IThink the current administration extended the length of time for holding and not releasing documents (to 75 years?) when Obama came into office, and the Obama administration also extended the hold on some Kennedy records specifically.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/05/30/is-the-government-holding-back-crucial-documents/

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/14/national_archives_no_new_jfk_docs/

However - I don't think President Obama, or any of our other recent presidents, really have any incentive to hold and protect super-secret secrets about any government agents being complicit in Kennedy's death.

More likely in the very extreme thorough investigations that have gone on for over 50 years now there have been some truly secret confidential programs, spies, agents and informants which have been discussed. The idea is to protect people until there is little to no risk of their being harmed for either cooperating or helping our country. We also don't want to reveal what we know about some situations and we also don't want to reveal some rather nasty things we may have been up to, especially as to Castro and the USSR.

But: none of that has to do with Kennedy. It's been 51 years now, you can't conceal the details of a murder like that for 51 seconds much less 51 years. In 1863, before the age of high technology, it was a matter of moments before the gang that went after Lincoln, Johnson and Seward were already being pursued. They had McKinley's murderer quickly, same for Garfield's murderer. Everyone else who has taken so much as a pot shot at a president from Ford to Teddy Roosevelt to FDR to Reagan were immediately identified.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Want to convince me it was one guy? Release all the damn files already. You know I'd like to know more about the CIA guy who it seems was Oswald's handler who Congress was never told about. I'd like to know more about this:

In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board interviewed former military investigators who said they were involved in investigating Oswald. One former official reported that among the findings were that “Oswald was incapable of committing the assassination alone,” according to the board’s final report, issued in 1998 when the congressionally mandated panel expired.

There is a lot everyone should want to know more about.

From that same article:

One category of records that researchers are anxious to see are the files related to George Joannides, a CIA officer who came to public light when he served as the agency’s liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, which concluded the president’s death was likely the result of a conspiracy.

But what the CIA didn’t tell the oversight panel was that Joannides had been monitoring Oswald when was living in New Orleans prior to the assassination and was involved with a series of Cuban exile groups with ties to the CIA as well as leftist organizations sympathetic to Castro.

He was monitoring Oswald.

That didn't mean Oswald was working for the CIA. Quite the opposite. It's 1962-63 and a former US marine defects to the USSR, then decides to move back. You don't think the CIA in 1963 wasn't going to watch the guy?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/11/25/government-still-withholding-thousands-documents-jfk-assassination/PvBM2PCgW1H11vadQ4Wp4H/story.html

 

[NCCommish]

Want to convince me it was one guy? Release all the damn files already. You know I'd like to know more about the CIA guy who it seems was Oswald's handler who Congress was never told about. I'd like to know more about this:

In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board interviewed former military investigators who said they were involved in investigating Oswald. One former official reported that among the findings were that “Oswald was incapable of committing the assassination alone,” according to the board’s final report, issued in 1998 when the congressionally mandated panel expired.

There is a lot everyone should want to know more about.

IThink the current administration extended the length of time for holding and not releasing documents (to 75 years?) when Obama came into office, and the Obama administration also extended the hold on some Kennedy records specifically.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/05/30/is-the-government-holding-back-crucial-documents/

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/14/national_archives_no_new_jfk_docs/

However - I don't think President Obama, or any of our other recent presidents, really have any incentive to hold and protect super-secret secrets about any government agents being complicit in Kennedy's death.

More likely in the very extreme thorough investigations that have gone on for over 50 years now there have been some truly secret confidential programs, spies, agents and informants which have been discussed. The idea is to protect people until there is little to no risk of their being harmed for either cooperating or helping our country. We also don't want to reveal what we know about some situations and we also don't want to reveal some rather nasty things we may have been up to, especially as to Castro and the USSR.

But: none of that has to do with Kennedy. It's been 51 years now, you can't conceal the details of a murder like that for 51 seconds much less 51 years. In 1863, before the age of high technology, it was a matter of moments before the gang that went after Lincoln, Johnson and Seward were already being pursued. They had McKinley's murderer quickly, same for Garfield's murderer. Everyone else who has taken so much as a pot shot at a president from Ford to Teddy Roosevelt to FDR to Reagan were immediately identified.

No one who was involved is still alive. I'm sorry there was simply too much CIA involvment to walk away and not know everything. Release the records.

 

[NCCommish]

Want to convince me it was one guy? Release all the damn files already. You know I'd like to know more about the CIA guy who it seems was Oswald's handler who Congress was never told about. I'd like to know more about this:

In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board interviewed former military investigators who said they were involved in investigating Oswald. One former official reported that among the findings were that “Oswald was incapable of committing the assassination alone,” according to the board’s final report, issued in 1998 when the congressionally mandated panel expired.

There is a lot everyone should want to know more about.

From that same article:

One category of records that researchers are anxious to see are the files related to George Joannides, a CIA officer who came to public light when he served as the agency’s liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, which concluded the president’s death was likely the result of a conspiracy.

But what the CIA didn’t tell the oversight panel was that Joannides had been monitoring Oswald when was living in New Orleans prior to the assassination and was involved with a series of Cuban exile groups with ties to the CIA as well as leftist organizations sympathetic to Castro.

He was monitoring Oswald.

That didn't mean Oswald was working for the CIA. Quite the opposite. It's 1962-63 and a former US marine defects to the USSR, then decides to move back. You don't think the CIA in 1963 wasn't going to watch the guy?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/11/25/government-still-withholding-thousands-documents-jfk-assassination/PvBM2PCgW1H11vadQ4Wp4H/story.html

And of course the CIA would never lie about their level of involvement. Did you people just fall off the turnip truck?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Want to convince me it was one guy? Release all the damn files already. You know I'd like to know more about the CIA guy who it seems was Oswald's handler who Congress was never told about. I'd like to know more about this:

In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board interviewed former military investigators who said they were involved in investigating Oswald. One former official reported that among the findings were that “Oswald was incapable of committing the assassination alone,” according to the board’s final report, issued in 1998 when the congressionally mandated panel expired.

There is a lot everyone should want to know more about.

From that same article:

One category of records that researchers are anxious to see are the files related to George Joannides, a CIA officer who came to public light when he served as the agency’s liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, which concluded the president’s death was likely the result of a conspiracy.

But what the CIA didn’t tell the oversight panel was that Joannides had been monitoring Oswald when was living in New Orleans prior to the assassination and was involved with a series of Cuban exile groups with ties to the CIA as well as leftist organizations sympathetic to Castro.

He was monitoring Oswald.

That didn't mean Oswald was working for the CIA. Quite the opposite. It's 1962-63 and a former US marine defects to the USSR, then decides to move back. You don't think the CIA in 1963 wasn't going to watch the guy?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/11/25/government-still-withholding-thousands-documents-jfk-assassination/PvBM2PCgW1H11vadQ4Wp4H/story.html

And of course the CIA would never lie about their level of involvement. Did you people just fall off the turnip truck?

I agree with that comment, of course they would and could lie. However, you also have to concede that if the CIA was just doing its job and not conspiring they would also be following him (but not "handling" him as an agent.).