John Welbourn retirement (1 Viewer)

[Weiner Dog]

link:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Per rotoworld...

Chiefs announced the unexpected retirement of T John Welbourn.

Welbourn, who was suspended for the first four games of last season after testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs, is just 30-years-old but struggled with injuries for much his seven-year career. This helps explain why Kansas City considers Kyle Turley a possible starting right tackle this season. Jun. 15 - 8:16 pm et

 

[Highway Robbery]

Florio is always on the money.

I am glad it wasn't Rod Smith or Curtis Martin.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Per KFFL...

Chiefs | Welbourn retires

Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:21:46 -0700

The Associated Press reports Kansas City Chiefs OL John Welbourn has announced his retirement from the NFL. "I decided to retire on my own terms rather than somebody else's," Welbourn told The Associated Press. He said he would be filing the paperwork on his retirement with the NFL office. "I discussed this with the Chiefs a couple of weeks ago," said Welbourn, who participated in last month's minicamp but has been unhappy that the Chiefs would not renegotiate terms of his contract. Kansas City plans to keep him on the active roster for now, in case he changes his mind.

 

[Davej626]

Even a blind mouse finds cheese occasionally. Nothing to see here. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. blah, blah, blah...

 

[Weiner Dog]

Even a blind mouse finds cheese occasionally. Nothing to see here. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. blah, blah, blah...

Yeah, they've running this same story every day this year. I'm just glad somebody finally retired. I'd much rather have a website get 1-out-of-10 rumors correct as opposed to a website who's afraid to put their coconuts on the line and report only news.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's keep this on Welbourne's retirement. We've done the "they suck" "no they don't suck" over and over.

Keep it to Welbourne. TIA.

J

 

[Tick]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

 

[Spartans346]

Chiefs | Welbourn retires

Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:21:46 -0700

The Associated Press reports Kansas City Chiefs OL John Welbourn has announced his retirement from the NFL. "I decided to retire on my own terms rather than somebody else's," Welbourn told The Associated Press. He said he would be filing the paperwork on his retirement with the NFL office. "I discussed this with the Chiefs a couple of weeks ago," said Welbourn, who participated in last month's minicamp but has been unhappy that the Chiefs would not renegotiate terms of his contract. Kansas City plans to keep him on the active roster for now, in case he changes his mind.

 

[Family Matters]

And we wondered why they signed Turley.

 

[ruelvis]

IMO with black & turley on board i don't think this will be as big of a deal as many will blow it up to be. if u are drafting at 3 or 4, it might be the kinda thing u mention before your draft to see if LJ drops to you.

 

[Family Matters]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

 

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[Routilla]

LJ is my franchise and this has absolutely no bearing on the OL. Unless of course the NFL will not let KC field a 5 man OL. LOL!!!

 

[JetMaxx]

As an Eagles fan, this does not surprise me one bit. Welbourne has always walked to the beat of his drummer so to speak. So an abrupt retirement is not surprising.

The fact that he was unhappy with his contract and the use of a "lack of talks to renegotiate his contract" as a factor in his decision is weak but again not surprising. That and his mouth ran him out of Philly a few years back.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I also wonder if Welbourn if avoided a one-year suspension with his abrupt retirement. It's just speculation on my part, but the same rumblings were heard when Jimmy Smith hung-up his cleats.

 

[-OZ-]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

Always? really?You might want to check the pre-vermiel era.

ETA: I don't think they had a 1,000 yard rusher from 1992-2000.

Not coincidently, that correlates to Weigmann's arrival, Roaf arrived a year later.

Also not coincidently, the running game has really only been elite since Roaf arrived. Not Priest, although 1500/8 is good.

This retirement doesn't hurt them too much, but Shields, Roaf, and even Weigmann are aging.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

On ename to keep in mind here.....Will Svitek.

I think he can step in for Roaf THIS SEASON if needed....the guy went to NFLEL and tore it up.

 

[-OZ-]

On ename to keep in mind here.....Will Svitek.

I think he can step in for Roaf THIS SEASON if needed....the guy went to NFLEL and tore it up.

Well he must be a stud then, everyone who does well there makes the NFL pro bowl kidding, I like this kid, but there will be a drop off from Roaf.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Wasn't Welbourn considered a disappointment in KC? I don't see how this will effect LJ, especially when they just signed Turley.

 

[AB in DC]

Florio is always on the money.

Not this time --

Though it would be very easy for us to claim that the possible surprise retirement to which we were referring earlier on Thursday was Chiefs tackle John Welbourn, who only hours after our story was posted walked away from the sport at the age of 30, we weren't referring to Welbourn.

 

[IndyHavoc]

Wasn't Welbourn considered a disappointment in KC? I don't see how this will effect LJ, especially when they just signed Turley.

The faith I keep seeing in Turley being even serviceable is very touching. I think extemely mis-placed, but touching. I think the best you can hope for is very low stress and gradual work back to form throughout this season. I think he might actually be a capable tackle NEXT season if he can keep the back healthy this season and get another off-season of work. I hope I'm wrong, as I've always liked the guy, but the way his back and conditioning deteriorated with the Rams, I just feel he's still got a ways to go to get back to starting calibre football in the NFL (if ever).

 

[Family Matters]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on.  I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

Always? really?You might want to check the pre-vermiel era.

ETA: I don't think they had a 1,000 yard rusher from 1992-2000.

Not coincidently, that correlates to Weigmann's arrival, Roaf arrived a year later.

Also not coincidently, the running game has really only been elite since Roaf arrived. Not Priest, although 1500/8 is good.

This retirement doesn't hurt them too much, but Shields, Roaf, and even Weigmann are aging.

OK you're taking me too literal and you're looking at the rusher and I'm talking rushing yards the team had. They still rush effectively. Here's the team total, rank and top rusher:2000=1465-25th (Richardson-697)

1999=2082-4th (Bennett-627)

1998=1548-23rd (Bennett-527)

1997=2171-5th (Hill-550)

1996=2009-4th (Allen-830)

1995=2222-1st (Allen-890)

1994=1732 11th (Allen-709)

1993=1655-20th (Allen-764)

1992=1532-23rd (Word-607)

1991=2217-3rd (Okoye-1031)

1990=1948-10th (Word-1015)

 

[Chris Smith]

Black did a very good job run blocking for the Chiefs last year and the team won't miss a beat with him in there when it comes to opening up gaping holes for LJ to run through.

However Black was simply terrible last year when it came to pass blocking. So bad in fact that he limited the value of tight end Tony Gonzalez in the passing game as he needed help on the outside.

Welbourne's retirement has an impact more on the passing game of the Chiefs than the running game.

 

[T Man]

PFT mildly suggests that one possible reason for Welbourn's retirment is a failed test.

IS it the contract issue, a failed test? Chiefs homers - any thoughts?

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Black did a very good job run blocking for the Chiefs last year and the team won't miss a beat with him in there when it comes to opening up gaping holes for LJ to run through.

However Black was simply terrible last year when it came to pass blocking. So bad in fact that he limited the value of tight end Tony Gonzalez in the passing game as he needed help on the outside.

Welbourne's retirement has an impact more on the passing game of the Chiefs than the running game.

Jordan Black was drafted as a G. He has never been able to play there, as his path has been blocked. I would rank the depth chart @ RT this way.....1. Turley

2 Svitek

3. Kevin Sampson

4. Black

5. Chris Bober

Untuil Sampson got sick lasts eason, he was slated to start for KC.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

If it was about a failed test, why would Peterson be keeping him on the active roster?

 

[Chris Smith]

On ename to keep in mind here.....Will Svitek.

I think he can step in for Roaf THIS SEASON if needed....the guy went to NFLEL and tore it up.

Kevin's correct. The Chiefs are extremely high on Svitek for the future. Not only did he tear up NFL Europe but one NFLEL analyst called him the best offensive lineman in the history of that league. He'll get a chance to start for this team in 2007.

 

[T Man]

If it was about a failed test, why would Peterson be keeping him on the active roster?

I agree. The only reason I can think of is that even if there were a failed test he still would only be suspended for 6 games.

I doubt it is a failed test, but I wanted to know if this was something made up out of thin air or is it a rumor that is circulating KC and has some legs - even if they are very small.

 

[Chris Smith]

Black did a very good job run blocking for the Chiefs last year and the team won't miss a beat with him in there when it comes to opening up gaping holes for LJ to run through.

However Black was simply terrible last year when it came to pass blocking. So bad in fact that he limited the value of tight end Tony Gonzalez in the passing game as he needed help on the outside.

Welbourne's retirement has an impact more on the passing game of the Chiefs than the running game.

Jordan Black was drafted as a G. He has never been able to play there, as his path has been blocked. I would rank the depth chart @ RT this way.....1. Turley

2 Svitek

3. Kevin Sampson

4. Black

5. Chris Bober

Untuil Sampson got sick lasts eason, he was slated to start for KC.

Like I said, Black really struggled last year when it came to pass protection. I wouldn't be stunned to see him replaced but Turley? I would be very surprised to see Turley win that job. I believe that Svitek is likely a year away although with a phenomenal camp he may get a look.

The battle will likely be between Sampson and Black but I believe Black will win out thanks to his experience last year.

It will definitely be a battle to watch throughout camp though.

 

[T Man]

By the way - and not to hijack -

but PFT says that the retirement they were predicting to come from a big player was not Welbourn's.

Any rumors as to who it may be?

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I am sure PFT was hoiping it ws Priest so they could say they had it first. Knowing most media, they thought they had the scoop of all scoops.

The only guy who may retire is Priest. Green, Shields, ROaf etc. have all said they are on board.

 

[Tick]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

Vermeil's gone, Saunders is gone, and they're likely to lose the best pair of linemen in the league. I think it was a combo of Vermeil, Saunders, and those two anchors on the line that made that line great, and without those, I doubt they continue.To me, it's a bit like Seattle. Hutch is gone now, let's say Walter Jones retires after this season and Holmgren moves on... how good would their line be then?

 

[Weiner Dog]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

To me, it's a bit like Seattle. Hutch is gone now, let's say Walter Jones retires after this season and Holmgren moves on... how good would their line be then?

Why would Jones even consider retiring?? He's only 32 years-old and is the best LT in football (sorry...Pace and Ogden can no longer touch him). More importantly, Jones is about to enter the "meat" of his contract in two years.2004 7084800.00

2005 1700000.00

2006 2000000.00

2007 2000000.00

2008 5000000.00

2009 6200000.00

2010 7300000.00

2011 7300000.00

2012 1000000.00

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Florio is always on the money.

I am glad it wasn't Rod Smith or Curtis Martin.

Welbourne wasn't the 'name player' they were talking about retiring though (I contend it's Priest Holmes):From PFT.com:

WELBOURN RETIRES FROM CHIEFS

Though it would be very easy for us to claim that the possible surprise retirement to which we were referring earlier on Thursday was Chiefs tackle John Welbourn, who only hours after our story was posted walked away from the sport at the age of 30, we weren't referring to him.

Regardless, the veteran offensive lineman is packing it in, effective immediately. "I decided to retire on my own terms rather than somebody else's," Welbourn told the AP.

Given that Welbourn was suspended for four games in 2005 for violating the league's steroid policy, the "somebody else's" terms to which he refers could be a looming suspension for another violation.

The league's steroid policy requires a suspension of at least four games for a first offense, a suspension of at least six games for a second offense, and a suspension of at least one year for a third offense.

Of course, we're not reporting that Welbourn has committed a second or a third violation of the policy (primarily because we've allowed our liability insurance to lapse). But any time a player with a history of violating either the substance abuse policy or the steroid policy abruptly walks away from the game, there will be speculation that the guy walked before he got run.

 

[Tick]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

To me, it's a bit like Seattle. Hutch is gone now, let's say Walter Jones retires after this season and Holmgren moves on... how good would their line be then?

Why would Jones even consider retiring?? He's only 32 years-old and is the best LT in football (sorry...Pace and Ogden can no longer touch him). More importantly, Jones is about to enter the "meat" of his contract in two years.2004 7084800.00

2005 1700000.00

2006 2000000.00

2007 2000000.00

2008 5000000.00

2009 6200000.00

2010 7300000.00

2011 7300000.00

2012 1000000.00

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that he might retire, just that if for some weird reason he did, Seattle's line would be average, not elite. I think the same thing will happen in KC next year.

 

[NYRAGE]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

Vermeil's gone, Saunders is gone, and they're likely to lose the best pair of linemen in the league. I think it was a combo of Vermeil, Saunders, and those two anchors on the line that made that line great, and without those, I doubt they continue.To me, it's a bit like Seattle. Hutch is gone now, let's say Walter Jones retires after this season and Holmgren moves on... how good would their line be then?

Let's not forget the biggest factor: the new idiot head coach.I've always been a big LJ fan, but with Hermie on board, he gets dropped a notch in my books.

 

[Weiner Dog]

That line is going to disintegrate next offseason.

Dynasty-wise, LJ's interesting - he could easily win you a title this year, but I think he value is going to go down quite a bit as time goes on. I could see trading him away right now.

And yet KC has managed to always have a good running game. They've always been committed to having good run bloacking lines. I really can't see why they won't continue.

To me, it's a bit like Seattle. Hutch is gone now, let's say Walter Jones retires after this season and Holmgren moves on... how good would their line be then?

Why would Jones even consider retiring?? He's only 32 years-old and is the best LT in football (sorry...Pace and Ogden can no longer touch him). More importantly, Jones is about to enter the "meat" of his contract in two years.2004 7084800.00

2005 1700000.00

2006 2000000.00

2007 2000000.00

2008 5000000.00

2009 6200000.00

2010 7300000.00

2011 7300000.00

2012 1000000.00

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that he might retire, just that if for some weird reason he did, Seattle's line would be average, not elite. I think the same thing will happen in KC next year.

I do see what you're saying. The Hawks have two old-timers starting (Tobeck and Gray). Plus, they just lost Hutch and <cough><cough> hope to replace him with a combination of Ashworth and a guy named "Pork Chop" and Ashworth. I'm mildly surprised Chris Spencer has not sneaked into the starting lineup. He was drafted as a center, but will be playing guard until Tobeck joins his local nursing home. I've gotta believe Spencer would be a long-term upgrade over Gray and/or Womack.