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Not comparing because I don't think he is on fitz' level at all, but I do think I remember the one knock on Fitz coming out was his speed and some doubted seperation.
That's a strong opinion -- have you seen him play, EF7? All I have is highlights to view and they look pretty good. Anybody else have first-hand knowledge?
David Boston without roids is a scrub.
If anyone in this draft reminds me of Boldin it is Little.
So does Pettis
If you are drafting a WR based on initial impact, I think you are setting yourself up to fail. There are not many WR rookie seasons like those of Mike Williams and Anquan Boldin. Most WRs need some time and polishing. With that said, I don't think we have any clue what the WR situations are going to look like in 2-3 years, so talent is the universal variable. Especially when these guys, if they pan out, should have 10 year careers. I like Baldwin more than Little, personally. It is hard for me to ignore Baldwin's physical gifts and his monster Sophomore season. If the QB situation was different, Baldwin could have mirrored his 09 numbers. Had that happened, he would be really close to Julio Jones right now. Aside from Green, every WR in the draft has pretty big questions (relative, of course). I feel best going with the guy with unique physical gifts, and the guy that an NFL franchise decided was worth a first round pick. Also the hit ratio of late first rounders compared to 2nd round WRs is huge. As much as WRs in the 1st bust, the 2nd round is almost embarrassing, even in comparison.
First of all, I never said I favored Baldwin over Little. Also, I disagree on the presumed similarity of Bowe and Baldwin. They both have some degree of knuckleheadedness, so yes there are some similarities. Baldwin made some comments that made him look like a diva, and got into a little bit of trouble at school. Bowe has made his own ill-advised comments and has gone even further getting suspended four games for PED's.Where Bowe had mainly gotten into hot water with the team was due to WORK ETHIC. Now, Bowe did come into camp in shape last year and had a great year. However two years ago he showed up at a sloppy 240 and led the league in drops even though he missed the four games. He stunk due to lack of dedication.If he can't string two solid seasons together he probably won't be getting that long term deal. I'm interested to see what his commitment level is this (possibly extended) offseason.Baldwin on the other hand APPEARS to be huge into conditioning.
I'm not advocating expecting an impact as a rookie from any WR.But I disagree that we won't have a clue what a WR situation will look like in 2-3 years. Is there certainty? No. But that doesn't equate to not having a clue.If you have young talent in place, you can reasonably expect that talent to be retained. If you have aging vets on the decline, then you can reasonably expect those vets to move on or give way to the up and comers.While it's true that these guys have 10 year careers, it's a bit odd to then ignore that fact that their peers also have 10 year careers. So as with the Bowe v. Baldwin issue, Bowe is young enough and talented enough to remain in KC by virtue of a new contract. If that happens, I don't like Baldwin as much. If it doesn't, then Baldwin gets a bump.Compare that to Little, who has no one like a Bowe on that team in front of him. So compare the odds that Bowe re-signs with KC compared to the odds that Cleveland brings in a big name WR via free agency next year.Of course, you can bump this thread to embarrass me if Bowe leaves in free agency and signs with Cleveland.'Concept Coop said:
I always thought it was better to have someone like Bowe on the other side to draw the double teams. It's not like RBs where one player can block another's chances. (see Wayne and Harrison, Driver (when he was younger) and Jennings, Jackson and Maclin, Boldin and Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Chris Carter, and Jerry Rice and John Taylor).I'm not advocating expecting an impact as a rookie from any WR.But I disagree that we won't have a clue what a WR situation will look like in 2-3 years. Is there certainty? No. But that doesn't equate to not having a clue.'Concept Coop said:
If you have young talent in place, you can reasonably expect that talent to be retained. If you have aging vets on the decline, then you can reasonably expect those vets to move on or give way to the up and comers.
While it's true that these guys have 10 year careers, it's a bit odd to then ignore that fact that their peers also have 10 year careers. So as with the Bowe v. Baldwin issue, Bowe is young enough and talented enough to remain in KC by virtue of a new contract. If that happens, I don't like Baldwin as much. If it doesn't, then Baldwin gets a bump.
Compare that to Little, who has no one like a Bowe on that team in front of him. So compare the odds that Bowe re-signs with KC compared to the odds that Cleveland brings in a big name WR via free agency next year.
Of course, you can bump this thread to embarrass me if Bowe leaves in free agency and signs with Cleveland.
it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
There's been more than one story this offseason about how all those "red flags" have been greatly overblown.I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
Just like the Kenny Britt flags were overblown?There's been more than one story this offseason about how all those "red flags" have been greatly overblown.I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
While doing no analysis whatsoever, I prefer a rookie WR who has a slightly older good WR across from him. Think back to Reggie Wayne or TO coming in with Harrison and Rice; or Moss with Carter. Not so much Dez Bryant as Austin isn't old. Someone to learn the ropes from and pull coverage early in his career but won't be around long-term. Of course, with FA maybe that isn't a big factor.I always thought it was better to have someone like Bowe on the other side to draw the double teams. It's not like RBs where one player can block another's chances. (see Wayne and Harrison, Driver (when he was younger) and Jennings, Jackson and Maclin, Boldin and Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Chris Carter, and Jerry Rice and John Taylor).I'm not advocating expecting an impact as a rookie from any WR.But I disagree that we won't have a clue what a WR situation will look like in 2-3 years. Is there certainty? No. But that doesn't equate to not having a clue.
If you have young talent in place, you can reasonably expect that talent to be retained. If you have aging vets on the decline, then you can reasonably expect those vets to move on or give way to the up and comers.
While it's true that these guys have 10 year careers, it's a bit odd to then ignore that fact that their peers also have 10 year careers. So as with the Bowe v. Baldwin issue, Bowe is young enough and talented enough to remain in KC by virtue of a new contract. If that happens, I don't like Baldwin as much. If it doesn't, then Baldwin gets a bump.
Compare that to Little, who has no one like a Bowe on that team in front of him. So compare the odds that Bowe re-signs with KC compared to the odds that Cleveland brings in a big name WR via free agency next year.
Of course, you can bump this thread to embarrass me if Bowe leaves in free agency and signs with Cleveland.
You can cherry pick one example to try to prove your feeling on another if you'd like. That's not my game.Just like the Kenny Britt flags were overblown?There's been more than one story this offseason about how all those "red flags" have been greatly overblown.I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
1st off I hardly agree Kenny Britt's value is affected by his off the field traffic tickets. So yeah, Britt's red flags are overblwn. Secondly Baldwin is hands down the WR4 prospect coming out of this class and given his natural talent and Little being out of football for a year, its reasonable to like him over Little. Moreso if Bowe test FA next season.You can cherry pick one example to try to prove your feeling on another if you'd like. That's not my game.Just like the Kenny Britt flags were overblown?There's been more than one story this offseason about how all those "red flags" have been greatly overblown.I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
If you think Britt's problems are overblown and you're a Britt owner, then you have some very sad days in your future as a Britt owner.'HPD said:1st off I hardly agree Kenny Britt's value is affected by his off the field traffic tickets. So yeah, Britt's red flags are overblwn. Secondly Baldwin is hands down the WR4 prospect coming out of this class and given his natural talent and Little being out of football for a year, its reasonable to like him over Little. Moreso if Bowe test FA next season.'BeTheMatch said:You can cherry pick one example to try to prove your feeling on another if you'd like. That's not my game.'Hoss_Cartwright said:Just like the Kenny Britt flags were overblown?'BeTheMatch said:There's been more than one story this offseason about how all those "red flags" have been greatly overblown.'Hoss_Cartwright said:I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.'T with T said:it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
Actually the roids killed his career. His "bulk" made him stiff and slow - before that he was a stud.
I think Dallas can support two fantasy WR1s. Romo could easily throw for 5k yards and each of them could easily surpass 1k yards in that environment.I can't see Matt Cassel (or any KC QB for that matter) throwing for 4k much less 5k. Plus you have Moeaki, Charles and McCluster in addition to Bowe in KC. In Dallas you have only Felix and Witten, and Felix won't catch more than 35 balls most likely.'FUBAR said:While doing no analysis whatsoever, I prefer a rookie WR who has a slightly older good WR across from him. Think back to Reggie Wayne or TO coming in with Harrison and Rice; or Moss with Carter. Not so much Dez Bryant as Austin isn't old. Someone to learn the ropes from and pull coverage early in his career but won't be around long-term. Of course, with FA maybe that isn't a big factor.I always thought it was better to have someone like Bowe on the other side to draw the double teams. It's not like RBs where one player can block another's chances. (see Wayne and Harrison, Driver (when he was younger) and Jennings, Jackson and Maclin, Boldin and Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Chris Carter, and Jerry Rice and John Taylor).I'm not advocating expecting an impact as a rookie from any WR.But I disagree that we won't have a clue what a WR situation will look like in 2-3 years. Is there certainty? No. But that doesn't equate to not having a clue.
If you have young talent in place, you can reasonably expect that talent to be retained. If you have aging vets on the decline, then you can reasonably expect those vets to move on or give way to the up and comers.
While it's true that these guys have 10 year careers, it's a bit odd to then ignore that fact that their peers also have 10 year careers. So as with the Bowe v. Baldwin issue, Bowe is young enough and talented enough to remain in KC by virtue of a new contract. If that happens, I don't like Baldwin as much. If it doesn't, then Baldwin gets a bump.
Compare that to Little, who has no one like a Bowe on that team in front of him. So compare the odds that Bowe re-signs with KC compared to the odds that Cleveland brings in a big name WR via free agency next year.
Of course, you can bump this thread to embarrass me if Bowe leaves in free agency and signs with Cleveland.
He was on roids/HGH his whole career - it both made it and ruined it. I think he would have been a good receiver without them but he was more obsessed with his body than playing WR.
Peyton Manning has never thrown for 5,000 yds and you think Tony Romo could "easily throw for 5k yards"?
And I am leery of Cleveland and Redskins WR's. KC gave up a lot to take him so I'll assume they researched him well.I agree they want both WR's if he works out. I would give it 2-3 years to see.As for being slow he ran the same as AJ Green. I hate gossip. If you guys don't want to take chance on him don't but make it for something he's actually done.
Pretty tough to get much meaning by extrapolating from a 5 game base. Orton was on pace for over 5500 yards last year after 5 games but obviously didn't come anywhere near that number or continue that pace.
Speaking of tickets, ay caramba!!!!http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/24/1298282/unc-confirms-greg-little-received.html'HPD said:1st off I hardly agree Kenny Britt's value is affected by his off the field traffic tickets. So yeah, Britt's red flags are overblwn. Secondly Baldwin is hands down the WR4 prospect coming out of this class and given his natural talent and Little being out of football for a year, its reasonable to like him over Little. Moreso if Bowe test FA next season.'BeTheMatch said:You can cherry pick one example to try to prove your feeling on another if you'd like. That's not my game.'Hoss_Cartwright said:Just like the Kenny Britt flags were overblown?'BeTheMatch said:There's been more than one story this offseason about how all those "red flags" have been greatly overblown.'Hoss_Cartwright said:I really feel this guy will be a bust long term. Too many red flags on and off the field.'T with T said:it shows the way you talk about JB... Baldwin is a stud in the making, quit all this hater talk... that's funny
He makes Pryor look good.
Its only been done twice in the history of the NFL
