TheGreatest
Footballguy
Looks like he is going to get the start this week in the middle.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7306506
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7306506
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eom
Footballguy
haha...guess I was too slow........although, I just noticed he's also claiming calvin johnson's out -- is this really true?
I thought he was in.
snarfsnarf
Footballguy
Anyone have other confirmation of this. There is also a discussion in the shark pool about this czar guy saying Harrison and Addai will play....and that the czar is not that reliable.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I am not a fan of the so called czar, so I am waiting before I consider this true.
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Beason should have a decent statline this week no matter what, start him with confidence. Will he move to the middle on a permanent basis in the future ? who knows
snarfsnarf
Footballguy
Not sure if he is in the middle but he is putting up monster tackle numbers.
TheGreatest
Footballguy
He started at MLB and looked good. Something like 13 total tackles (8 solos).
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The_Hunchback
Footballguy
Did you watch the game? Gamebook shows him at WLB and Diggs at MLB. I'm going to assume that Beason is playing all three downs regardless.
TheGreatest
Footballguy
Yeah I watched game and he did start in the middle. Don't know why gamebook shows otherwise. This confirms it.http://www.panthers.com/Gameday/Default.aspx?id=20392
J Giles Band
Footballguy
I did watch the game and Beason was at MLB.He was every bit as good as his numbers. Made plays sideline-to-sideline and played with reckless abandon. Also did a terrific job in coverage on Bush. Bush was never able to shake him for yards after the catch.He set the tone for the Panthers defense today.
The_Hunchback
Footballguy
Thanks guys! Since I can't watch the games wanted to double check.
ETA - Did Diggs start at WLB?
ETA - Did Diggs start at WLB?
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
All right, y'all -- reporting straight from the Omni Royal Orleans this AM. 
Old friend offered a ticket to the Panthers-Saints game yesterday.
So I got the full report. Was mildly surprised to see Beason start in the middle and 
to see Diggs at the Will on the opening snap. Found James Anderson with a trainer who looked to be stretching a quad injury, but Anderson came in on some funny nickel packages and all short yardage plays, so it's hard to know what's happening there.
Beason was ridiculously impressive. He refused to be blocked by anyone -- fullback, offensive linemen, the kitchen sink -- no one could sustain a block on him. A hole opened -- there was Beason. Try to go outside -- there was Beason. Try a pass over the middle -- there was Beason. Seriously. From my seat, you could also see Beason running the huddle and realigning his teammates before the snap. I know I was effusive in my hype in the offseason and posted later that I'd regret my decision to drop him in the rankings, but Beason was the best player on the field yesterday. Saints fans around me were wondering who "dat guy making all the tackles" was.
Three successive plays at the beginning of the fourth quarter look harmless in the gamebook but tell the Beason story.
1-10-CAR 31 -- Reggie Bush right end for 1 yard, tackled by Beason. 15 yard face mask on Beason.
Bush tries to get outside. Beason chases him down, beats him to the sideline and inadvertently grabs the top of his helmet as he's throwing him out of bounds.
1-10-CAR 15 -- Reggie Bush right end for 2 yards, tackled by Beason.
Saints had pretty much given up running up the middle by now and tried the same play. Beason there again.
2-8-CAR 13 -- Drew Brees throws short circle route over the middle to Bush. Beason coming to get Bush and Reggie tries to quick juke back to the middle. Beason reaches behind him with his momentum going toward the sideline, grabs Bush with one hand and makes the tackle. He then became Jon Freaking Beason to the Saints fans.
It's going to be real interesting to see what happens when Morgan comes back. Beason is a player.
In other news, Thomas Davis is going to get overshadowed, but was nearly as impressive. Held Bush in check all day, running him down in backside pursuit a number of times down the LOS, and was glued to Bush on a 3rd and goal play where he got isolated on Bush split out wide and knocked down a quick slant pass at the last second. Also, it continues to be a crime that Richard Marshall isn't playing. Other than one long completion when he quit running for a brief moment (apparently thinking a pre-snap penalty would kill the play), he too was a beast in run support and coverage. Lucas went to the locker room for a few snaps, but came back. If it's one of those "worse the next day" injuries, make sure you get Marshall rostered if you need an option.
Old friend offered a ticket to the Panthers-Saints game yesterday.
So I got the full report. Was mildly surprised to see Beason start in the middle and to see Diggs at the Will on the opening snap. Found James Anderson with a trainer who looked to be stretching a quad injury, but Anderson came in on some funny nickel packages and all short yardage plays, so it's hard to know what's happening there.Beason was ridiculously impressive. He refused to be blocked by anyone -- fullback, offensive linemen, the kitchen sink -- no one could sustain a block on him. A hole opened -- there was Beason. Try to go outside -- there was Beason. Try a pass over the middle -- there was Beason. Seriously. From my seat, you could also see Beason running the huddle and realigning his teammates before the snap. I know I was effusive in my hype in the offseason and posted later that I'd regret my decision to drop him in the rankings, but Beason was the best player on the field yesterday. Saints fans around me were wondering who "dat guy making all the tackles" was.
Three successive plays at the beginning of the fourth quarter look harmless in the gamebook but tell the Beason story.
1-10-CAR 31 -- Reggie Bush right end for 1 yard, tackled by Beason. 15 yard face mask on Beason.
Bush tries to get outside. Beason chases him down, beats him to the sideline and inadvertently grabs the top of his helmet as he's throwing him out of bounds.
1-10-CAR 15 -- Reggie Bush right end for 2 yards, tackled by Beason.
Saints had pretty much given up running up the middle by now and tried the same play. Beason there again.
2-8-CAR 13 -- Drew Brees throws short circle route over the middle to Bush. Beason coming to get Bush and Reggie tries to quick juke back to the middle. Beason reaches behind him with his momentum going toward the sideline, grabs Bush with one hand and makes the tackle. He then became Jon Freaking Beason to the Saints fans.
It's going to be real interesting to see what happens when Morgan comes back. Beason is a player.
In other news, Thomas Davis is going to get overshadowed, but was nearly as impressive. Held Bush in check all day, running him down in backside pursuit a number of times down the LOS, and was glued to Bush on a 3rd and goal play where he got isolated on Bush split out wide and knocked down a quick slant pass at the last second. Also, it continues to be a crime that Richard Marshall isn't playing. Other than one long completion when he quit running for a brief moment (apparently thinking a pre-snap penalty would kill the play), he too was a beast in run support and coverage. Lucas went to the locker room for a few snaps, but came back. If it's one of those "worse the next day" injuries, make sure you get Marshall rostered if you need an option.
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Hey Jene, was Beason on the field in the nickel packages at all?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Yes. Diggs went off.
One more question: Is he being used to rush the passer at all? Blitzes? Anything?
I know he is a rook and playing the middle, but I play in a big-play heavy league and have to decide whether to keep this guy long term or use him as trade bait. I'm a U homer, so I love that he is doing well.
I know he is a rook and playing the middle, but I play in a big-play heavy league and have to decide whether to keep this guy long term or use him as trade bait. I'm a U homer, so I love that he is doing well.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Beason rushed on a couple of occasions as a delayed blitzer yesterday. The Panthers like to bring at least one linebacker and a corner at times on passing downs. In prior seasons, the Panther MLB has been good for 2-4 sacks per season. Chris Draft had six last year. Morgan had two seasons where he projected to near four sacks. Witherspoon had a couple of sacks a season as well.Beason may not get the opportunity a Mike Peterson or Ray Lewis get, but he should get an above average opportunity at pass rush in this defense if he stays in the middle for the rest of the season. If he's outside and sits in favor of Morgan in the nickel, he's unlikely to get more than one sack the rest of the season. If he stays inside, I think three is a reasonable over-under.MDPapi said:
Thanks. Appreciate the insight.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
My guess would be that the Panthers still see their best LB alignment as Davis/Morgan/Beason. With James Anderson essentially benched for a replacement level Na'il Diggs, I think you'll see Beason back on the weak side when Morgan comes back. The command Beason had in the huddle and the winning result could change all that depending on how long Morgan is out. Morgan apparently thinks he can play, but there's absolutely no reason to rush him back this week before the Week 7 bye.
chadjohnsonfan
Footballguy
So is Beason a high quality LB1 type of starter if he stays in the middle?Last weeks performance would say so, but was that atypical? Also, what value does Beason hold in the weakside if Morgan returns?
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The_Hunchback
Footballguy
In my eyes he becomes a high level LB2 if he stays in the middle, with LB1 upside. At the weakside when Morgan comes back he will also probably shift to a two down backer and push his value to a low LB3/high LB4. With Carr being the QB now his value is actually higher since that offense isn't nearly as potent with Homme out, meaning the defense should face more snaps.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm with hunchback here, although I suppose it's possible that Beason will show enough in coverage before Morgan comes back that the Panthers could use Beason in the nickel to give Morgan fewer snaps.
Well, I made a trade offer for Beason. My lbs are dropping like flies. It was the strength of my team and now I'm scrambling to find two guys who aren't on a bye or the injury report!
(still, it's stuff like this, at least when you end up winning anyway, that makes this game really fun!)
(still, it's stuff like this, at least when you end up winning anyway, that makes this game really fun!)
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I think moving Beason to the middle rather than continuing to use a stop-gap measure may be a sign that it'll be at least through the bye in Week 7 and potentially longer. The Panthers are essentially paying him on a per game played basis so there's no rush to get him back if Diggs plays average and Beason continues to perform. So I'm putting the over-under on Week 8 and betting the over.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
No guarantees but I think as well as he played in coverage last week and considering that the team may want to limit Morgan's snaps in the future, it seems likely that he'll stay in the nickel.That's not the way things went before Morgan's injury, though, so YMMV.
