Sir Psycho
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Will he be the primary back in CAR or DWILL is still #1 ?
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massraider
Footballguy
Caught the replay. He's a stud dripping in awesomeness. The Panthers may want to keep DWill involved, but Stewart HAS to get the majority of the carries sooner rather than later.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
I'm guessing it will be hard to assess from week to week. But I have both in a league and am leaning toward starting JStew because, IMO, he is extremely talented and it looks like he will get the goal line looks. But who knows. I think this might be one of those frustrating RBBC where the coach really goes with the "hot hand" and it might be a hard one to predict.
Hopefully some Carolina homers can chime in on this.
Hopefully some Carolina homers can chime in on this.
FantasyTrader
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I'm guessing it will be hard to assess from week to week. But I have both in a league and am leaning toward starting JStew because, IMO, he is extremely talented and it looks like he will get the goal line looks. But who knows. I think this might be one of those frustrating RBBC where the coach really goes with the "hot hand" and it might be a hard one to predict.Hopefully some Carolina homers can chime in on this.
Stewart is a stud but I don't think anyone counted on DeAngelo running this angry. Stewart's bio indicated he needed to become more polished as a receiver and at times could pull a whoopsie in pass protection. I wouldn't be surprised if by season's end the distribution is squarely down the middle. 
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Talent wise, Stewart >>>>> Williams.
It's just a matter of time now.
It's just a matter of time now.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Stewart will have a pretty significant fantasy edge on Williams by the end of the season if both guys stay healthy.
Don't count on either guy have monster games this weekend.
Don't count on either guy have monster games this weekend.
As a Stewart owner, I gotta agree here.Williams has been good, and Fox has a history of leaning on vet RBs over young RBs (Davis over Foster, then Foster over Williams).The best case for Stewart is that the more accurate appraisal is that Fox has a history of leaning on bruiser RBs over small/quick RBs.In any event, I'd be willing to sell Stewart at a reasonable price right now just to be out of what looks destined to be a near 50/50 RBBC all year.
I've heard this song before. First it was talk of Foster over Stephen Davis. Then DeAngelo over Foster. Now Stewart over DeAngelo.
While I don't disagree that Stewart has more talent and long-range upsdie than DeAngelo, I'm not sure that you're going to see Stewart get 75% of the carries this year. That's what makes figuring out the Panthers backfield a mystery.
And if FF never existed, nobody would even care about the distribution of carries, but Panther fans (me included) would be giddy about a 1-2 punch. Unfortunately, with FF, 1-2 punch is a dirty word.
While I don't disagree that Stewart has more talent and long-range upsdie than DeAngelo, I'm not sure that you're going to see Stewart get 75% of the carries this year. That's what makes figuring out the Panthers backfield a mystery.
And if FF never existed, nobody would even care about the distribution of carries, but Panther fans (me included) would be giddy about a 1-2 punch. Unfortunately, with FF, 1-2 punch is a dirty word.
For us redraft guys, the question of when is a pretty critical one. If it's not 70/30ish by, say, November, Stewart's value is limited this year.
Avery
Footballguy
I'm not saying you're wrong, but we're heard this song many times before in Carolina just replace "Stewart" with "rookie" and "Williams" with "incumbent".
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
My chips are down, I know that. Guy's a beast.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
It's different this time.I don't think a lot of people saw enough of Stewart in college to realize it. Especially in the east.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Foster was a 6 round steal back then. Tom Jones too
switz
Footballguy
Stewart DID look good on Sunday, but you also have to consider he didn't really get any work until the Bears were up 17-3, and playing pass defense.
swidman
Footballguy
Don't forget Stewart came into the game mainly in the 2nd half. The temp on the field that day was 105 degrees. You have to believe a guy with fresh legs took advantage of the situation. Good coaching by Carolina for that play.
I still think Stewart will be getting more touches as the year moves on and Williams will become a 3rd down back.
I still think Stewart will be getting more touches as the year moves on and Williams will become a 3rd down back.
I was at the game on Sunday and was very impressed with Stewart. He ran with power and leg drive bouncing off tacklers and really injected life into the Panthers offense. DW has looked very good too, however, he is more of a slasher and did not have much success against the Bears that day. I was surprised to see that Stewart only got one carry for one yard in the first half and since the offense was not moving the ball well, Fox inserted Stewart in the lineup and DW got the 3rd down snaps. Stewart fits the Panthers style to a tee and as much as I have been impressed with DW, I think it is only a matter of time before JStew takes over as the main RB and short-yardage guy and DW turns into the 3rd down and change of pace RB. Stewart is too talented and Fox and Hurney are under pressure to make it back into the playoffs this year, so their typical pattern of letting the rookie sit behind the vet, like they have done in the past. It is a good problem for the Panthers to have, as I do have confidence in each guy to carry the load should the other guy get dinged at some point this season.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
a huge frame and an incredible vertical jump
stewart is a monster
stewart is a monster
FFdork
Footballguy
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
az_prof
Footballguy
Once again Borbely succinctly shows why he is one the most dangerous sharks in the ocean.
az_prof
Footballguy
No offense because I understand the thinking behind this, but this is a fallacy. Obviously there is nothing magical about Carolina that causes backs to get hurt; so the statement only has relevence with respect to the backs in the past who played there. My understanding is that Stewart has been pretty durable in his college career.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Point taken but Stewart looked better week one IMO.
nzranger
Footballguy
Just to play devils advocate, if i'm J.Fox I'm feeling pretty good with the status quo right now. I'm up 2-0, already pulled off a huge morale boosting last second win and get Smith back this week. I keep on doing what i'm doing. I know this kid Stewart is good, but I keep putting Williams in as long as he's running angry. I put him on the bench and have him feeling sorry for himself I lose a team asset and experience in the huddle. Plus I like vet RB's. I keep Williams out front running for his job, and Stewart behind him running to take it. Run run run to the playoffs.
Just a thought
Just a thought
OU#1
Footballguy
I seem to recall a certain Adrian Peterson having this same problem in the NFL.Actually I seem to be having de-ja-vu all over again from last season with CT vs ADP.Watching Stewart at Oregon I'd have to say this is no surprise. I would assume the talent would prevail here but the scenario a couple posts above sounds very logical as well.With Schmitty being back will there be enough TD love to go around here? Can CAR feed 3-4 potential FF beasts? SS, JD, DW, and Stewart? Good news there is the CAR D looks suspect and they are going to have to score to keep winning. I'm thinking buy up these CAR guys as they look like the real deal.
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jeeb
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Honestly, Stewart would have had to have been Superman to pick up that blitz, it was just that perfectly timed.
I would concur with that... he is still learning the blitz packages and the SD and CHI D are two of toughest ones we may see all year. I am sure DW will still be in the mix, but how can you NOT put Stewart on the field more when he produces results like we have seen over the preseason and the first two games. Smitty comes back now and it will be very tough for Ds to stack the box with 8 so that will only open up more holes for both DW and JStew. The one thing that I noticed last week was Chicago let their corners out on an island and brought everyone on nearly every play, evidenced by Jake's putrid numbers going into halftime. If we can run it well like the first two games without Smitty the offense is just going to get better. If we are killing them with the running game they will maybe put 8 in the box and Delhomme can check off and hit Smitty on one-on-one coverage and we can kill them with the passing game. I look forward to having an offense that can generate more than 20 points per game!!
Hue G
Footballguy
I don't know how you can't use both, they both have very different skill sets and both can contribute, that being said I'd rather own Stewart because it looks like he'll be the guy when they get inside the 20 yard line.Godfather of Soul
Footballguy
A voice of reason:APPLAUSE:
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
I personally think Stewart is a lot better than Williams. However, what they have going right now is working on a number of levels. Williams has been fairly effective; he does bring a different skill set to the game, and by using him, it keeps Stewart from toting the rock 20-25 times a game and possibly getting injured or wearing down. As long as Williams remains effective, I think you see a 60-40 split in favor of Stewart. I do think there will be a few games where they need Stewart to pound the rock and maybe he does get close to that 20 carry range. If Williams is ineffective, I think you could see Stewart get more along the lines of an 80-20 split. Stewart seems like the guy to own, but do expect a committee unless things change. It worked pretty well for Marion Barber the last two years.
freeannyong
Footballguy
But they were getting beat in the first half with DW as the primary carrier. Then in the 2nd half they used Stewart as the primary carrier and came back and won the game. How do you explain that J. Fox? :X
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Blocked punt and umpteen offensive penalties. DW sotfens 'em up and Stewart knocks them out.
LILB811
Footballguy
Agreed, :X If you expect to predict what will happen in football, you need to understand the coach's mentality. I think this is a great view of how John Fox looks at his team. As a Stewart owner, having both guys get touches really isn't that big of a deal. Most of us have him as a #2 or #3 RB, and if he gets 15 touches a game and can stay fresh and produce when the defense is worn down, I don't think anyone is going to complain.That said, the guy did look great on Sunday. I think this is a situation where using both guys could be beneficial for fantasy, rare as that may be. Marion Barber averaged 15.5 touches per game last year and I don't think his owners were unhappy with the results. If he stays productive, Stewart will get his.
omally
Footballguy
I think that with any team that has two good RB's you use who will work best with what the D is giving you. To get past those defenders of the Bears, the Panthers needed to use their bruiser which is Stewart. He also had fresher legs in the second half. The Bears D also started getting tired in the second half, and the Panthers still needed more points to catch up, so they continued to use Stewart to pound at them. There was also a turning point in the game when Delhomme ran for 6 yards, and got hit in the head by a Bears D helmet to helmet when he was sliding. Delhomme got up after getting his bell rung, and he started beating his chest to rally his guys, and it did just that. Several of the Panther players said it made them angry that Delhomme took the shot to the head when sliding, and that woke them up, and rejuvenated them. Stewart said holes started opening for him after that. The shot to the head Delhomme took looked to be an accident, but when teams are playing a hard fought game, and their QB takes a shot like that, they want revenge. Delhomme said they hope to use their 1-2 punch all season.But they were getting beat in the first half with DW as the primary carrier. Then in the 2nd half they used Stewart as the primary carrier and came back and won the game. How do you explain that J. Fox?
cmv5
Footballguy
These are definitely two things to consider. Another way to consider it is that they drafted Stewart in the first round to bring them back to a power type of running back. In the Chicago game Williams was rather ineffective against a tough D and Stewart came in and justified their decision to draft him. The game against Minnesota could be more of the same and could go a long way toward giving more carries to Stewart over Williams.Agreed,If you expect to predict what will happen in football, you need to understand the coach's mentality. I think this is a great view of how John Fox looks at his team. As a Stewart owner, having both guys get touches really isn't that big of a deal. Most of us have him as a #2 or #3 RB, and if he gets 15 touches a game and can stay fresh and produce when the defense is worn down, I don't think anyone is going to complain.edited to add I expect maybe 60/40 Stewart at most for this season. That said, the guy did look great on Sunday. I think this is a situation where using both guys could be beneficial for fantasy, rare as that may be. Marion Barber averaged 15.5 touches per game last year and I don't think his owners were unhappy with the results. If he stays productive, Stewart will get his.
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Eradicator
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First, I'll say that I'm very big on Stewart. Irrespective of any other factors, as someone said earlier, he drips 'studliness'. I'm considering offering RBush for him (non keeper/no ppr league) before his value explodes (kinda looking for threads like this to help me justify it or talk me off the ledge).
That being said, the Panthers historical RB analogy amuses me. First DFoster was supposed to replace SDavis, then Dwill was supposed to replace Foster, so why should this be different? Well...what went on to happen to the supposed studs in waiting that should have been starting (Foster then Dwill)? Were they really studs? Ummm...no. This DOES appear different to me because Stewart DOES fit the stud criteria. I'm not a mind reader and don't know what Fox has in mind. Assuming Fox doesn't impede Stewarts natural progression, I see 1300 yds, 13 TD's and a concensus top 5 RB pick next yr. And for those of you scoring the Chris Johnson v JStewart argument, that puts me firmly in the JStewart camp (again, non ppr).
That being said, the Panthers historical RB analogy amuses me. First DFoster was supposed to replace SDavis, then Dwill was supposed to replace Foster, so why should this be different? Well...what went on to happen to the supposed studs in waiting that should have been starting (Foster then Dwill)? Were they really studs? Ummm...no. This DOES appear different to me because Stewart DOES fit the stud criteria. I'm not a mind reader and don't know what Fox has in mind. Assuming Fox doesn't impede Stewarts natural progression, I see 1300 yds, 13 TD's and a concensus top 5 RB pick next yr. And for those of you scoring the Chris Johnson v JStewart argument, that puts me firmly in the JStewart camp (again, non ppr).
