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Jordan Howard is the WW pickup of the year (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Wait another week on Howard. I have no idea how the Bears are holding the Lions but his success today is predicated on a bad Lions D plus his team having the lead with good defense on their own part. I'm doubtful this is a weekly recipe. However Howard obviously has the took of an excellent back, I just think the team stinks overall.
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Todem
Footballguy
Agreed. Clearly going to be their 3 down back IMO.....just a matter of how good or bad that team will be and who they play each week. But he was a nice pick up for a lot of us in a league starving for every down backs.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Wasn't because his team had the lead. The Bears passed a lot more than they ran. More due to Lions horrible defense, as you said. Howard did look solid.
flapgreen
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
He looks like a strong runner to me, good instincts.
There's a cap on his upside, because of the lack of speed, the team he's on, and the perception that he won't be heavily involved in the passing game. I say perception, because we don't KNOW that he can't help in that facet, we've just been told that.
For the Bears tho, looks like a keeper so far.
There's a cap on his upside, because of the lack of speed, the team he's on, and the perception that he won't be heavily involved in the passing game. I say perception, because we don't KNOW that he can't help in that facet, we've just been told that.
For the Bears tho, looks like a keeper so far.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have been impressed with his ability as a receiver. He wasn't used all that much in this way in college. so that was an unknown. His hands seem fine though, so even if the Bears are behind in the score a lot he should still be able to contribute in that situation.
Prior to the season I was thinking this might turn into a RBBC where Langford might be the passing down guy. I don't really see that being the case anymore. Langford dropped a lot of passes last year. I haven't seen Howard making as many mistakes like that.
Prior to the season I was thinking this might turn into a RBBC where Langford might be the passing down guy. I don't really see that being the case anymore. Langford dropped a lot of passes last year. I haven't seen Howard making as many mistakes like that.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Seems like it was around 13-15% before Langford got dinged. ADP 197 / RB58. Most 12 teamers draft around 50-55 depending on lineup requirements & scoring.
Rove!
Footballguy
That's crazy stuff...he was rostered even in my most shallow league....
he was often drafted right around Derrick Henry
NREC34
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I added him as a FA (9% faab in one)in both of my leagues the week before Langford went down.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Howard was drafted and dropped (after week one when Langford got 90%+ of the carries) for flavor of the week plays in one league and undrafted in the other shallow bench league. After Langford was injured last week and before the DET game I promptly got offered a trade for him by the guy who drafted him, (D Thomas/Sammy Watkins(before put on IR) for Evans/Howard). No thanks.
To OP, he could be a nice pickup especially for the bye weeks coming up. He grades highly as one of the best runners in his class, catches way better than pre-draft expectations and his line has potential, with some talented players that should get better as the season progresses and they have more time together. I'd say the potential is definitely there, but still too early to tell.
I don't think Fuller went undrafted in any leagues. Agree he's more of a SOD candidate.
To OP, he could be a nice pickup especially for the bye weeks coming up. He grades highly as one of the best runners in his class, catches way better than pre-draft expectations and his line has potential, with some talented players that should get better as the season progresses and they have more time together. I'd say the potential is definitely there, but still too early to tell.
I don't think Fuller went undrafted in any leagues. Agree he's more of a SOD candidate.
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Not sure what you mean because he wasn't on the waiver wire in any of my 10 leagues. He was drafted around pick 130-160 in every league and went for $2-$7 in all my auctions. He had that solid pre-season game, was a recent draft pick, and Langford's efficiency metrics from last year were like 70th for all qualifying running backs so we knew he didn't have a great grasp of the starting job. It didn't take a genius to see this coming. I took him in four leagues.
That said, let's give it a few weeks. The team sucks and he's not gonna drop 100+ yards every week.
A true waiver-wire gem is someone like Hunter Henry. He's getting a boatload of targets and probably was not drafted in any but the most deep leagues.
That said, let's give it a few weeks. The team sucks and he's not gonna drop 100+ yards every week.
A true waiver-wire gem is someone like Hunter Henry. He's getting a boatload of targets and probably was not drafted in any but the most deep leagues.
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skinsrule05
Footballguy
That seems pretty crazy. Here is his ownership per CBS:
Wk 1- 18%
Wk 2- 18%
wk 3- 14%
wk 4- 31%
wk 5- 94%
I don't know how they divide up their weeks to be on wk 5 but it is pretty obvious that in a vast majority of leagues he was a WW pickup.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Howard was drafted 2 rounds before Fuller in my league. Looked good, but Howard wasn't a consensus WW pickup.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I don't know how you're defining often but this is just not accurate outside of, apparently, your drafts.
I picked Howard up in my 12 team league with deep rosters where he went undrafted in our auction. Part of this is likely due to the fact that we have a limit on FA pickups during the season so most of us roster 2 defenses and kickers but Henry went for $10 and Howard, again, did not get drafted.
In my 14 team shallow bench league Howard was drafted, then dropped, and immediately claimed before week 2. But in this league Henry went at the end of the 5th (RBs are at even more of a premium due to league rules) and Howard went in the 11th.
According to ADP from a couple of different sites I looked up in PPR Henry was taken on avg around RB31 or 90th overall while Howard was taken RB58 or 203rd overall. They were not valued similarly in the vast majority of drafts this year.
In hindsight, maybe this should have been flipped but a lot has changed since August. Henry was a high profile rookie and people werent sure what to make of Murray in TEN. People assumed that Langford would be a 3 down RB and Howard, as a 5th round pick, was not thought of that highly.
Skoo
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
Exactly, IF AVAILABLE. He wasn't a consensus WW pickup because he wasn't a WW candidate in many leagues, all of mine he was drafted in. This thread is for WW pickup of the year, but he's not a WW pickup in a lot of leagues. Like someone earlier said, he's more a candidate for Steal of the Draft
VaTerp
Footballguy
Its great that he was drafted in many leagues. In hindsight, and maybe even at the time, he should have been drafted in all of our leagues.
But we have access to things like percentage of ownership in the most widely used league hosting platforms as well as ADP and the FACT is that in the vast majority of leagues Howard was not drafted.
So he is a candidate for WW pick up of the year in the majority of leagues.
But we have access to things like percentage of ownership in the most widely used league hosting platforms as well as ADP and the FACT is that in the vast majority of leagues Howard was not drafted.
So he is a candidate for WW pick up of the year in the majority of leagues.
Skoo
Footballguy
You might play in dynasty or deep bench leagues, but for the vast majority of the FF world, Jordan Howard was available up until last week.
Which is why Jordan Howard was FantasyPros Consensus #1 WW add last week.
Steeler
Footballguy
Not all league are the same. He was avsilable on my WW two weeks ago in both my leagues. I know this means my leagues suck.
FYP
None of those apply to people who post on these boards. I doubt there was more than 5% of FFPC drafts where he wasn't drafted.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Not worth continuing this. OK, he was available in some leagues.
That said, while he looked good, I think Langford will still have a role in this offense when he comes back. And it was the Lions. I'd like to see him against some tougher completion before getting too excited.
Steeler
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
So if its not a FFPC league its a free, serious, unknowledgEable or very low bench league? Cool, maybe you should post in the FFPC only forum so as not to be bored with the rest of us.
Whether you recognize it or not there are a lot of non- FFPC leagues full of serious, experienced, well-informed people who play for a decent amount of money. And in a lot of those leagues Howard was not drafted for a variety of reasons.
spider321
Footballguy
Ok, Phenom.
In the future though, please don't be the "(Insert name) was drafted in all my leagues, because I don't play with guppies" guy.
Everyone hates that guy.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
It sounds like you are just making up facts. % ownership showed you were wrong so you switch to FFPC.
How about this, here is his ADP as of 8/29 according to multiple sites:
MFL- 214
FF Calculator- 203
RT Sports- 191
CBS- 214
According to just FBG his consensus ADP was 197
Going with your argument I doubt anyone is a WW pickup because they would have been owned in at least 10% of leagues.
ponchsox
Footballguy
I'm in 5 big money leagues 10-12 teams and he was a FA in 4/5 of them. So I guess all my leagues suck?
mikel0254
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
Back on topic though (and I'm admittedly guilty for a small part of the derailment).
I do like Howard's outlook for the ROS. I have both he and Dwayne Washington in one of my leagues and am on record saying I'd have started Washington over him this past week, which was obviously a poor position to take in hindsight and at the time.
I should have been more on top of Howard this summer but admittedly did not want much to do with any Bears, including Jeffrey b/c I don't like their offense or Cutler at all. But I did have Langford on my radar as a potential value pick simply because of the volume I expected him to get. Had I done more research I would have known more about Howard and now with Langford and Carey out, should have also recognized the sheer volume Howard is in line for in the short term.
In the long term ROS, its pretty clear that Fox was not enamored with Langford and has been giving pretty clear signals that Howard's opportunity was coming. With or without a Langford injury IMO. If he continues to play well, its pretty clear to me that he will remain the lead back.
The question then, is how large a percentage of the RB touches he gets once other RBs are healthy, and how effective this CHI offense will be in creating positive game scripts and scoring opportunities.
In this day and age of limited RB production Langford certainly looks like a prime candidate for pickup of the year, or value draft pick of the year if you insist on being that guy as we sit here today.
I do like Howard's outlook for the ROS. I have both he and Dwayne Washington in one of my leagues and am on record saying I'd have started Washington over him this past week, which was obviously a poor position to take in hindsight and at the time.
I should have been more on top of Howard this summer but admittedly did not want much to do with any Bears, including Jeffrey b/c I don't like their offense or Cutler at all. But I did have Langford on my radar as a potential value pick simply because of the volume I expected him to get. Had I done more research I would have known more about Howard and now with Langford and Carey out, should have also recognized the sheer volume Howard is in line for in the short term.
In the long term ROS, its pretty clear that Fox was not enamored with Langford and has been giving pretty clear signals that Howard's opportunity was coming. With or without a Langford injury IMO. If he continues to play well, its pretty clear to me that he will remain the lead back.
The question then, is how large a percentage of the RB touches he gets once other RBs are healthy, and how effective this CHI offense will be in creating positive game scripts and scoring opportunities.
In this day and age of limited RB production Langford certainly looks like a prime candidate for pickup of the year, or value draft pick of the year if you insist on being that guy as we sit here today.
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spider321
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
I agree. But I certainly didn't make any implications about someone's league.
The OP nixed Will Fuller from the "WW pickup of the year" conversation because he was drafted late in some leagues (look at the first post). It's very relevant to say the same about Howard. Especially when like 20 of the first posters in this thread said he was drafted.
But this is completely derailed, and not worth continuing this. Back to Howard...
sandlotshrink
Footballguy
Hard to tell after one week vs. mediocre opponent, but it's always nice when a plan comes together and the players meets/exceeds projections. He showed he can be a 3 down back which is good with the Bears likelihood of playing from behind. Neither Langford or Cary seem to present much competition so the situation certainly checks a lot of the boxes.
VaTerp
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
so <=12 team redraft leagues with 16 player rosters (192 player draft) he is on the borderline of being drafted. Anything greater like 18 man rosters or 14 person leagues he probably did get drafted. Keeper and dynasty leagues I am sure he was drafted. soooo there, you are both right.
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