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Jordy Nelson - OUT for rest of training camp (knee procedure) (1 Viewer)

I already liked Jordy as a decent value for his ADP, now his ADP is going to drop even more without him missing significant time.

 
Thats the sound of James Jones value going off like a rocket, even if Cobb is fine.

Get him while he can still he had for cheap, as we already seen when someone gets hurt he only steps up and leads the league in TDs.

 
And according to Mccarthy's presser, it sounds as if Bryan Bulaga is going to try and play.....Just reporting, folks. Don't shoot the messenger.

 
sho nuff said:
clean up on the knee?

read he banged it the other day and they said it was part of an old injury....
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I don't think you can trust any info that comes out with respect to injuries. They are gonna lie through their teeth until they have to tell the truth.

 
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!

 
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.

 
Ouch, that's a lot of bad injury news coming from one team before a game has even been played. I was a fan of Nelson's value, but considering the missed time from injuries he had last year, this has me more worried than if it were an isolated thing.

 
Wow, Pack getting decimated by injury this preseason. Was already feeling nervous w/o Bulaga and now this. I realize that Nelson and Cobbs' injuries aren't nearly as serious, but I'm just feeling bad juju about this team all of a sudden and I hate it when I get that vibe from players that I know I'll have to invest a ton in to get on my roster.

 
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.

 
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?

 
Shutout said:
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?
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Umm...they did spend quite a lot of it locking up Rodgers and Matthews.

 
sho nuff said:
Shutout said:
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?
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Umm...they did spend quite a lot of it locking up Rodgers and Matthews.
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Umm..I said that already. The point is all the good teams deal with these things.

WHich leads to money sitting in the coffers. As of April 7th, only five teams had more cap space than Green Bay and most of those teams are the perennial cellar dwellers. The playoff teams are for the most part hovering at around $4 Million (remember, this is pre-draft) while Green Bay had almost $18 Million.

So I guess my statement in a less subtle way is to say "Spend your money while you have a great QB and quit being cheap..THen you won't cry everytime you lose a player. You may actually have a quality backup...like the other competitive teams do."

 
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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:goodposting:

For those armchair GM's please inform us what FA GB should've signed and how would that have fit into the salary cap? Thompson has always been a build through the draft and reward the homegrown talent with extensions. If he starts signing FA's then some on the younger talent walks. What big FA's did the Ravens sign in 2012? The Giants in 2011?...I can't recall any big impact FA signings in the last few years....I'm sure there were a couple but who were they?

 
Shutout said:
sho nuff said:
Shutout said:
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?
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Umm...they did spend quite a lot of it locking up Rodgers and Matthews.
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Umm..I said that already. The point is all the good teams deal with these things.

WHich leads to money sitting in the coffers. As of April 7th, only five teams had more cap space than Green Bay and most of those teams are the perennial cellar dwellers. The playoff teams are for the most part hovering at around $4 Million (remember, this is pre-draft) while Green Bay had almost $18 Million.

So I guess my statement in a less subtle way is to say "Spend your money while you have a great QB and quit being cheap..THen you won't cry everytime you lose a player. You may actually have a quality backup...like the other competitive teams do."
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That's no longer the case. They extended Morgan Burnett in July and have some other potential FA's to lock up. Thompson will not leave any unused cap space on the books in 2013.

 
LawFitz said:
Wow, Pack getting decimated by injury this preseason. Was already feeling nervous w/o Bulaga and now this. I realize that Nelson and Cobbs' injuries aren't nearly as serious, but I'm just feeling bad juju about this team all of a sudden and I hate it when I get that vibe from players that I know I'll have to invest a ton in to get on my roster.
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Yep... it's enough for me to push Brees past Rodgers for the #1 QB spot. They were thisclose to begin with.

 
sho nuff said:
Shutout said:
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?
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Umm...they did spend quite a lot of it locking up Rodgers and Matthews.
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So if Rodgers get killed this year by opposing defenses its his own fault. Taking all the Packers money and leaving none for his protectors :coffee:

 
Touchdown There said:
Red alert on Cobb, not Jordy Nelson. If Cobb has a biceps tear, he could be out the year.
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Complete biceps tendon disconnect = done for season

Partial biceps tendon tear = PUP to start the year

Biceps strain or hyper extension = Day to day

If you own Cobb in a redraft, you may want to trade him away right now.

 
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Vector said:
sho nuff said:
Shutout said:
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?
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Umm...they did spend quite a lot of it locking up Rodgers and Matthews.
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So if Rodgers get killed this year by opposing defenses its his own fault. Taking all the Packers money and leaving none for his protectors :coffee:
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try fresh bait next time

 
LawFitz said:
Wow, Pack getting decimated by injury this preseason. Was already feeling nervous w/o Bulaga and now this. I realize that Nelson and Cobbs' injuries aren't nearly as serious, but I'm just feeling bad juju about this team all of a sudden and I hate it when I get that vibe from players that I know I'll have to invest a ton in to get on my roster.
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Actually, I think the Nelson and Cobb injuries, although seemingly minor, are very significant. Now, not only are they having to deal with the instability of the o-line, but Rodgers is missing valuable practice time to get his timing down with his two best WRs. At this point, I'm not sure I wouldn't scale back my projections for every single Packer. They have too much talent to not recover, but I could definitely see the offense off to a slow start to begin the season; especially having to travel to SF and Cincy within the first three weeks.

 
Jene Bramel said:
My thoughts after a little detective work on Nelson's condition...

Was worried about Cobb, too. That's an unusual injury for a WR. But Rapoport has been so good during camp that I'm going to trust his report that it's believed to be "not serious."
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I agree, if it was serious I think we would of heard about it by now. But I'm still going to hold my breathe as I have brought Cobb in most of my leagues and have so far avoided these rash of injuries minus Crabtree earlier this yr.

 
Shutout said:
jurrassic said:
Ghost Rider said:
The Claymaker said:
As a Packers fan, I gotta say it is times like this that really bug the crap outta me. Last year our offensive line sucked (Yes guy from the other thread, technically it could get worse) so you would think having maybe the best QB in the league we would make some FA moves to address this major concern... nope, not us. Lets just see if these guys get better, there were plenty of good guys out there as FA's but, lets continue to do things "our way" and hope for the best. Brilliant!
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Agreed. Rodgers is right now the best QB in the league, in the prime of his career, and their playoff chances went to #### the last two years because of a bad defense and a bad o-line, and it remains to be seen if they did enough to address either of those problems. Makes you wonder if the rest of Rodgers' prime is gonna go to waste while Ted Thompson stubbornly refuses to sign any worthwhile free agents while drafting for the future.
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Thompson has taken an OL in the first round 2 of the last 4 drafts. Injuries are part of the game. Tretter also went down in the OTA's and was going to be replied upon as a swing player inside. The problem with making FA moves is the salary cap going forward. The Packers have several free agents next year (Raji, Finley, Shields, Jones) and currently will have two players accounting for 23% of the cap next year in Rodgers and Matthews. There is only so much you can do.
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I am neither a Packers fan nor hater so I have no agenda in this but when I read those kinds of statements I have to ask "And how are these challenges any different than what every other NFL team faces?" Most competitive teams have a huge chunk of money tied up in a few guys. Most have injuries at key positions and seem thinner here or there.. Most have impending free agents to think about.

So when someone says "There is only so much you can do", it sounds appologetic because all the other good teams face and deal with these things. Aren't the Packers supposedly one of the teams that had more cap room than others? If so, is it maybe the answer is to go out and actually spend some of that money to compete while you have Rodgers in his prime?
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I'm not being apologetic and I agree with you that most teams have these problems. That was my point. No team is going to be deep at every position. The draft is too indecisive and the salary cap prevents it. My argument was against the fact that Thompson hasn't tried to address it. He has invested high draft picks in players that have gotten injured. The Packers have a plan year in and year out. They also set cap limits on players and what they are willing to pay them. It's why Scott Wells walked two years ago. As a Packer fan, I would rather see them have the money to invest in some of the young up and coming players then overpay an OT who is 3 years past his prime. I also don't think the O-line situation is in crisis mode yet. They essentially are the returning the same line that got them within 2 games of the Super Bowl and the reason they lost to the 49ers was their defense. I don't love the o-line but Nelson and Cobb being injured would have a much bigger impact than Bulaga

 
Oof, can we please stop derailing this thread with MMQB'ing of the Pack's past drafts? Amazing how many people allow themselves to get caught up in pointless, circular debates.

 
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