Joseph Addai (1 Viewer)

[switz]

People have said a lot of things about Addai's last season. Some feel Rhodes performed better, others feel Addai was effected by a weak OL and a recuperating QB, let's look at the season in review

WK	Opp	G	GS	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Comments
1	CHI	1	1	12	44	3.7	13	0	(CHI Allowed 3.4YPC, Saturday out, Manning healing, Rhodes 2 carries 1.0YPC)
2	@ MIN	1	1	15	20	1.3	7	1	(MIN allowed 3.3 YPC, Saturday out, Manning healing, Rhodes 2 carries 2.5YPC)
3	JAC	1	1	16	78	4.9	11	2	(JAX allowed 4.0 YPC, Ugoh out, Manning healing, Rhodes 2 carries 12.0 YPC)
5	@ HOU	1	1	17	71	4.2	15	1	(HOU allowed 4.5 YPC)
6	BAL	1	1	2	3	1.5	2	0	(BAL Allowed 3.6YPC, Left game with injury, Rhodes 25 carries 2.9YPC)
7	@ GB	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	(Missed with injury)
8	@ TEN	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	(Missed with injury)
9	NE	1	1	17	32	1.9	5	0	(NE allowed 4.1 YPC, Rhodes 4 carries 3.8YPC)
10	@ PIT	1	1	12	34	2.8	11	0	(PIT allowed 3.3 YPC, Rhodes 7 carries 4.0YPC)
11	HOU	1	1	22	105	4.8	12	1	(HOU allowed 4.5 YPC, Rhodes 10 carries 4.8YPC)
12	@ SD	1	1	16	70	4.4	23	0	(SD allowed 4.0YPC, Rhodes 3.0YPC)
13	@ CLE	1	1	15	57	3.8	14	0	(CLE allowed 4.5 YPC, Saturday out, Rhodes 3.2YPC)
14	CIN	1	1	10	26	2.6	6	0	(CIN allowed 3.9 YPC, Left game with injury, Saturday out, Rhodes 7 carries 3.1 YPC)
15	DET	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	(Missed with injury)
16	@ JAC	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	(Missed with injury)
17	TEN	1	1	1	4	4.0	4	0	(Basically missed with injury)

On thing that stands out, is in healthy game, Addai always received ore carries and performed better than Rhodes - with the exception of NE and PIT.

However saying that, the sample size of healthy games for Addai was extremely small. He missed as many games as he played the full 60 minutes in.

It is notable that the games Jeff Saturday missed were some of the worst, so there is some truth to the OL being part of the problem when Addai struggled.

Addai did however have the only 100 yard rushing game for the Colts, had the longest run for the Colts, and had the most rushing yardage for the Colts (only 3 more carries than Rhodes), and scored the most rushing TDs for the Colts.

What does this mean? Well, in an injury plagued season, he was still better than Rhodes - which isn't saying all that much as Rhodes is a backup calibre RB. In the games he was healthy he performed pretty well, with the exception of NE and PIT - two extremely tough defenses.

The problem with Addai then is his health, primarily, and a very small part the OL.

IF he stays healthy, he can be a solid performer. Why does he get hurt so much? Well - it looks more and more like he's injury prone. In only one game did he eclipse 20 carries. Not a big work load at all...

I would expect him to remain the starter, but share time with Brown.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

Nice!

 

[gianmarco]

Your Barber post was relatively objective and helpful. This one....not so much. There was relatively nothing from that game log that was encouraging. Even with a banged-up O-Line, most any RB in the NFL could have done what Addai did.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Less biased than I thought.

 

[gianmarco]

Less biased than I thought.

But more biased than it should have been.

 

[Banger]

Whatever the reason...if you look at that game log you see why they drafted a RB in the 1st. On that offense, with Manning at the helm and never facing 8-9 in the box Addai should have had a much more productive career than he's had. I look at Addai and I've always seen an average back on a very good offense.

 

[Traders2001]

Whatever the reason...if you look at that game log you see why they drafted a RB in the 1st. On that offense, with Manning at the helm and never facing 8-9 in the box Addai should have had a much more productive career than he's had. I look at Addai and I've always seen an average back on a very good offense.

Addai lacks vision and his decision making is terrible ( Strictly good for short yardage and goal line ) .

 

[switz]

Your Barber post was relatively objective and helpful. This one....not so much. There was relatively nothing from that game log that was encouraging. Even with a banged-up O-Line, most any RB in the NFL could have done what Addai did.

Frankly, I think you came in here looking for something to suggest I was biased in my post, and your anti-Addai bias is more evident in your post than any pro-Addai bias in my post.For instance - nothing encouraging in the game log?

He far exceeded the average RBs production against JAX, while Manning was still recuperating. In weeks 11 and 12 he also looked very good. He had a great game against HOU, and a solid outing against SD which wasn't that bad of a defense. In those three games he outperformed the average RBs performance against those opponents which goes contrary to your "any RB could have done what Addai did" statement, because obviously not any RB did.

Granted that's only three weeks of 8 full games he played. But I clearly noted that his ability to stay healthy is the big issue with him. When he was healthy and his OL was healthy, he performed well... pretty much the case with ANY RB.

I'm not sure what you would expect a more unbiased post to state

 

[MAC_32]

Your Barber post was relatively objective and helpful. This one....not so much. There was relatively nothing from that game log that was encouraging. Even with a banged-up O-Line, most any RB in the NFL could have done what Addai did.

Frankly, I think you came in here looking for something to suggest I was biased in my post, and your anti-Addai bias is more evident in your post than any pro-Addai bias in my post.For instance - nothing encouraging in the game log?

He far exceeded the average RBs production against JAX, while Manning was still recuperating. In weeks 11 and 12 he also looked very good. He had a great game against HOU, and a solid outing against SD which wasn't that bad of a defense. In those three games he outperformed the average RBs performance against those opponents which goes contrary to your "any RB could have done what Addai did" statement, because obviously not any RB did.

Granted that's only three weeks of 8 full games he played. But I clearly noted that his ability to stay healthy is the big issue with him. When he was healthy and his OL was healthy, he performed well... pretty much the case with ANY RB.

I'm not sure what you would expect a more unbiased post to state

If I remember correctly, Addai was having a very average game vs. Houston until most of Houston's defense was knocked out due to injury early in the 2nd half and then the flood gates opened up for Addai.

 

[gianmarco]

Your Barber post was relatively objective and helpful. This one....not so much. There was relatively nothing from that game log that was encouraging. Even with a banged-up O-Line, most any RB in the NFL could have done what Addai did.

Frankly, I think you came in here looking for something to suggest I was biased in my post, and your anti-Addai bias is more evident in your post than any pro-Addai bias in my post.For instance - nothing encouraging in the game log?

He far exceeded the average RBs production against JAX, while Manning was still recuperating. In weeks 11 and 12 he also looked very good. He had a great game against HOU, and a solid outing against SD which wasn't that bad of a defense. In those three games he outperformed the average RBs performance against those opponents which goes contrary to your "any RB could have done what Addai did" statement, because obviously not any RB did.

Granted that's only three weeks of 8 full games he played. But I clearly noted that his ability to stay healthy is the big issue with him. When he was healthy and his OL was healthy, he performed well... pretty much the case with ANY RB.

I'm not sure what you would expect a more unbiased post to state

Maybe you and I have a different definition of "great". I don't consider 22/105/1 a GREAT game. I think it's an above average rushing game, but nothing GREAT. And that was his best rushing performance for the entire year. Yes, the O-line was injured, Manning was, Addai was, etc., etc., etc., but the point is, looking at that game log, it's just not much to get excited about. Seeing one game of 22/105/1 doesn't paint as pretty a picture as you tried to. As to what I was coming in looking for, you're exactly right. I checked into the Barber post looking for something similar and I already commended you in here that it was quite objective and pretty spot-on for the most part. When you mentioned you'd be doing the same for Addai, I was hoping to see the same thing. I didn't. There is nothing to defend about his 2008 campaign. 1-2 decent games (not great) doesn't fix it even with all the excuses you can try and come up for him. Now, whether or not the excuses are legit is another story, but to try and sugarcoat his actual production on the field like this post does most definitely shows bias. As you stated in the other thread, it helps to take off the rose-colored glasses.

 

[gianmarco]

Your Barber post was relatively objective and helpful. This one....not so much. There was relatively nothing from that game log that was encouraging. Even with a banged-up O-Line, most any RB in the NFL could have done what Addai did.

Frankly, I think you came in here looking for something to suggest I was biased in my post, and your anti-Addai bias is more evident in your post than any pro-Addai bias in my post.For instance - nothing encouraging in the game log?

He far exceeded the average RBs production against JAX, while Manning was still recuperating. In weeks 11 and 12 he also looked very good. He had a great game against HOU, and a solid outing against SD which wasn't that bad of a defense. In those three games he outperformed the average RBs performance against those opponents which goes contrary to your "any RB could have done what Addai did" statement, because obviously not any RB did.

Granted that's only three weeks of 8 full games he played. But I clearly noted that his ability to stay healthy is the big issue with him. When he was healthy and his OL was healthy, he performed well... pretty much the case with ANY RB.

I'm not sure what you would expect a more unbiased post to state

As to the bolded statement, Addai had double digit carries in 10 games. In those 10 games, Addai had LESS than the what the opposing team gave up to the league on average in SEVEN of those TEN games. 70% of the time he performed under the average of what that team normally gave up. Out of the other 3, only Jax was the game he significantly outperformed what other RB's did (4.9 vs. 4.0). The others were only minimally improved (4.8 vs 4.5 and 4.4 vs. 4.0). Thus, I will gladly stand by the statement that he didn't do anything that any RB could have done, especially considering that Indy is an above average offense as well which should give him even more of an advantage compared to other lesser teams.

 

[TheFanatic]

Less biased than I thought.

But more biased than it should have been.

Two great posts!!!

 

[switz]

Now, whether or not the excuses are legit is another story, but to try and sugarcoat his actual production on the field like this post does most definitely shows bias.

I don't think I tried to sugar coat anything. Not sure where you're reading that at all... From all observations I have always been a HUGE Addai supporter, and in my review, I basically said he can't handle a full time load, he's injury prone, and will share time. He was successful in 3 games out of 8 that he played 60 minutes in. What's biased about that?I still stand by you're trying to read bias into a post where there was none.

 

[gianmarco]

Now, whether or not the excuses are legit is another story, but to try and sugarcoat his actual production on the field like this post does most definitely shows bias.

I don't think I tried to sugar coat anything. Not sure where you're reading that at all...

I bolded all the "positive" things you had to say about Addai below in your OP and italicized the "negative" parts. Seems to be a lot of bolded text. Certainly more bolded text than italics. In particular, the part about him being able to be a solid performer is comical. Not sure where you drew that conclusion from based on his 2008 year. Also, the whole section about his superb highlights for Indy (being the only 100 yd rusher, most rushing yds, etc.) was comical. He was the starting RB for the team. He should have those accolades.

People have said a lot of things about Addai's last season. Some feel Rhodes performed better, others feel Addai was effected by a weak OL and a recuperating QB, let's look at the season in review

[/I]

However saying that, the sample size of healthy games for Addai was extremely small. He missed as many games as he played the full 60 minutes in.

It is notable that the games Jeff Saturday missed were some of the worst, so there is some truth to the OL being part of the problem when Addai struggled.

[B]Addai did however have the only 100 yard rushing game for the Colts, had the longest run for the Colts, and had the most rushing yardage for the Colts (only 3 more carries than Rhodes), and scored the most rushing TDs for the Colts.[/B]

[B][/B]

What does this mean? Well, in an injury plagued season, he was still better than Rhodes - which isn't saying all that much as Rhodes is a backup calibre RB.[B] In the games he was healthy he performed pretty well, with the exception of NE and PIT - two extremely tough defenses.[/B]

[I]The problem with Addai then is his health, primarily[/I], and a very small part the OL.

[B]IF he stays healthy, he can be a solid performer.[/B] [I]Why does he get hurt so much? Well - it looks more and more like he's injury prone. In only one game did he eclipse 20 carries. Not a big work load at all...[/I]

[B]I would expect him to remain the starter[/B], but share time with Brown.
[/QUOTE]

 

[TheFanatic]

Now, whether or not the excuses are legit is another story, but to try and sugarcoat his actual production on the field like this post does most definitely shows bias.

I don't think I tried to sugar coat anything. Not sure where you're reading that at all...

I bolded all the "positive" things you had to say about Addai below in your OP and italicized the "negative" parts. Seems to be a lot of bolded text. Certainly more bolded text than italics. In particular, the part about him being able to be a solid performer is comical. Not sure where you drew that conclusion from based on his 2008 year. Also, the whole section about his superb highlights for Indy (being the only 100 yd rusher, most rushing yds, etc.) was comical. He was the starting RB for the team. He should have those accolades.

People have said a lot of things about Addai's last season. Some feel Rhodes performed better, others feel Addai was effected by a weak OL and a recuperating QB, let's look at the season in review

[/I]

However saying that, the sample size of healthy games for Addai was extremely small. He missed as many games as he played the full 60 minutes in.

It is notable that the games Jeff Saturday missed were some of the worst, so there is some truth to the OL being part of the problem when Addai struggled.

[B]Addai did however have the only 100 yard rushing game for the Colts, had the longest run for the Colts, and had the most rushing yardage for the Colts (only 3 more carries than Rhodes), and scored the most rushing TDs for the Colts.[/B]

[B][/B]

What does this mean? Well, in an injury plagued season, he was still better than Rhodes - which isn't saying all that much as Rhodes is a backup calibre RB.[B] In the games he was healthy he performed pretty well, with the exception of NE and PIT - two extremely tough defenses.[/B]

[I]The problem with Addai then is his health, primarily[/I], and a very small part the OL.

[B]IF he stays healthy, he can be a solid performer.[/B] [I]Why does he get hurt so much? Well - it looks more and more like he's injury prone. In only one game did he eclipse 20 carries. Not a big work load at all...[/I]

[B]I would expect him to remain the starter[/B], but share time with Brown.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] :lmao:  :own3d:

 

[Darker Knight]

Addai is better than most are giving him credit for.....the guy was injured pretty much all year. If he is healthy he will put up very good numbers. I would want both Addai and Brown for FF purpose's.

I would also like to add as much as some of you come down on switz for being an Addai supporter with blinders on. You guys are guilty of the other end of the spectrum. switz post are well thought out and always have supporting information to back up his point of view.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Less biased than I thought.

But more biased than it should have been.

Two great posts!!!

But kudos to switz for doing this. It's useful even if it has some bias.

 

[TheFanatic]

Addai is better than most are giving him credit for.....the guy was injured pretty much all year. If he is healthy he will put up very good numbers. I would want both Addai and Brown for FF purpose's.I would also like to add as much as some of you come down on switz for being an Addai supporter with blinders on. You guys are guilty of the other end of the spectrum. switz post are well thought out and always have supporting information to back up his point of view.

Actually I am an Addai supporter. But gotta give credit where credit's due. Horrible argument in favor of Addai here. Either Brown Shanahans Addai or Brown takes his job. Simple as that. But nothing from 2008 can be used to argue that the former will happen in 2009. The only real reason to be an Addai fan is gut feeling because his stats have done nothing but decline. I'm going with my gut but no way am I going to defend Switz' "argument" here because I like Addai. The merits of the debate and the expectation of the player can be two different things.

 

[gianmarco]

Addai is better than most are giving him credit for.....the guy was injured pretty much all year. If he is healthy he will put up very good numbers. I would want both Addai and Brown for FF purpose's.

I would also like to add as much as some of you come down on switz for being an Addai supporter with blinders on. You guys are guilty of the other end of the spectrum. switz post are well thought out and always have supporting information to back up his point of view.

There's plenty of posters I don't always agree with but there is often good information from the other side and makes me think. The reason many seem to come down on Switz is that it IS blind support despite facts often showing something else.

His Barber post was actually a very good read. Even though it doesn't paint Barber in a good picture and supports Switz's thoughts about him, it actually has evidence to back it up and makes sense. Unfortunately, that post is in the minority of his contributions, IMO.

 

[switz]

Now, whether or not the excuses are legit is another story, but to try and sugarcoat his actual production on the field like this post does most definitely shows bias.

I don't think I tried to sugar coat anything. Not sure where you're reading that at all...

I bolded all the "positive" things you had to say about Addai below in your OP and italicized the "negative" parts. Seems to be a lot of bolded text. Certainly more bolded text than italics. In particular, the part about him being able to be a solid performer is comical. Not sure where you drew that conclusion from based on his 2008 year. Also, the whole section about his superb highlights for Indy (being the only 100 yd rusher, most rushing yds, etc.) was comical. He was the starting RB for the team. He should have those accolades.

You didn't italicize the negative parts... you pulled things out of context, and mistook statements of fact as statements of support. They are two different things.I can say Ron McLain had the longest run form scrimmage of any RB without being biased and implying he's going to be a superstar.

On thing that stands out, is in healthy game, Addai always received more carries and performed better than Rhodes - with the exception of NE and PIT.

However saying that, the sample size of healthy games for Addai was extremely small. He missed as many games as he played the full 60 minutes in.

Addai did however have the only 100 yard rushing game for the Colts, had the longest run for the Colts, and had the most rushing yardage for the Colts (only 3 more carries than Rhodes), and scored the most rushing TDs for the Colts.

What does this mean? Well, in an injury plagued season, he was still ibetter than Rhodes - which isn't saying all that much as Rhodes is a backup calibre RB. In the games he was healthy he performed pretty well, with the exception of NE and PIT - two extremely tough defenses.

The problem with Addai then is his health, primarily, and a very small part the OL.

IF he stays healthy, he can be a solid performer. Why does he get hurt so much? Well - it looks more and more like he's injury prone. In only one game did he eclipse 20 carries. Not a big work load at all...

I would expect him to remain the starter, but share time with Brown.

You're clearly reading things through a different lens than I'm writing them.Saying he was better than Rhodes IS NOT A POSITIVE WHEN I SAY Rhodes is a backup calibre RB. In other words, Addai outperformed a backup - EVERY STARTING RB SHOULD.

"Pretty well" is positive to the extent that a person who is sick says they feel "pretty well" - it's not good, it's definitely not great... it's better than totally sucking.

I'm not sure where "If he stays healthy" is EVER a positive... and solid performer is not superstar or STUD

And expecting him to stay the starter but split time is not a positive - it's saying he's not good enough to be a full time back.

Like I said, you're looking for me to be biased when I'm not being biased at all...

 

[switz]

Actually I am an Addai supporter. But gotta give credit where credit's due. Horrible argument in favor of Addai here. Either Brown Shanahans Addai or Brown takes his job. Simple as that. But nothing from 2008 can be used to argue that the former will happen in 2009. The only real reason to be an Addai fan is gut feeling because his stats have done nothing but decline. I'm going with my gut but no way am I going to defend Switz' "argument" here because I like Addai.

The problem is you're not comprehending what I'm writing apparently.In fact... you say "Either Brown Shanahans Addai" and I say "I would expect him to remain the starter, but share time with Brown" - which means exactly the same thing.Hell, I'm not even sure how my post could be viewed as support of Addai

 

[gianmarco]

You're clearly reading things through a different lens than I'm writing them.

It's the only lens I have. It's the same one you keep giving out to everyone in the SP for free

 

[Matt Waldman]

I didn't think Switz's analysis showed bias and I expect Donald Brown to eventually take the job. I understood what he meant about Addai and it didn't sound all that positive to me. It just sounded more tempered than the Addai bashing I read on these boards almost daily.

 

[switz]

switz post are well thought out and always have supporting information to back up his point of view.

There's plenty of posters I don't always agree with but there is often good information from the other side and makes me think. The reason many seem to come down on Switz is that it IS blind support despite facts often showing something else.

Thank you for proving your intention of coming in here was to try to prove something that simply isn't true. My post wasn't biased, it was fair and fact based. You want to pick a fight or put me down, I'm not sure why. But I've finally had enough of you.Go find someone else to falsely accuse...

 

[Darker Knight]

Addai is better than most are giving him credit for.....the guy was injured pretty much all year. If he is healthy he will put up very good numbers. I would want both Addai and Brown for FF purpose's.

I would also like to add as much as some of you come down on switz for being an Addai supporter with blinders on. You guys are guilty of the other end of the spectrum. switz post are well thought out and always have supporting information to back up his point of view.

There's plenty of posters I don't always agree with but there is often good information from the other side and makes me think. The reason many seem to come down on Switz is that it IS blind support despite facts often showing something else.

His Barber post was actually a very good read. Even though it doesn't paint Barber in a good picture and supports Switz's thoughts about him, it actually has evidence to back it up and makes sense. Unfortunately, that post is in the minority of his contributions, IMO.

you may not agree with his analysis but he does provide supporting information and breaks it down. I don't always agree with switz but I don't see his point of view anymore bias than yours.....but from reading some of your posts it would seem that your point of view is the only one you pay any attention to.

 

[TheFanatic]

Actually I am an Addai supporter. But gotta give credit where credit's due. Horrible argument in favor of Addai here. Either Brown Shanahans Addai or Brown takes his job. Simple as that. But nothing from 2008 can be used to argue that the former will happen in 2009. The only real reason to be an Addai fan is gut feeling because his stats have done nothing but decline. I'm going with my gut but no way am I going to defend Switz' "argument" here because I like Addai.

The problem is you're not comprehending what I'm writing apparently.In fact... you say "Either Brown Shanahans Addai" and I say "I would expect him to remain the starter, but share time with Brown" - which means exactly the same thing.Hell, I'm not even sure how my post could be viewed as support of Addai

No it's not the same thing. You are misrepresenting very poor stats to say something positive about Addai in 2008. His stats in 2008 do nothing of the sort. I said this is an either or situation. Brown either motivates Addai or takes his job but nothing from 2009 can somehow support the former or your seemingly equivalent statement that they will share time.

 

[gonzobill5]

Wow, what a bunch of useless posts in this thread. Can we actually have a conversation about Addai as switz intended?

He's projected as the 20th RB off the board, and I think there's a decent chance that he falls significantly further than that in some drafts. Lots of people got burned by him last year drafting him in round 1, and there is always a tendency for pendulum to swing too far in the other direction.

I'll highlight a few positives about his 08 campaign and his 09 outlook that I think some people are overlooking:

He remained involved and productive in the passing game with 25 catches and 2 receiving TDs in essentially 10 games.

He scored 4 TDs in his first four games, which were the games where we are sure he was healthy. Actually, those first four game logs look a lot like the last 7 or so games from 2007. Not a lot of yards, not a great ypc, but the TDs were there.

He's still young.

He has shown that he doesn't need 300 carries to be a top 5 RB.

While we're all excited about Donald Brown, he's still essentially an unknown. And he's Addai's only competition for carries. The guys being drafted around Addai (Lynch, Tjones, Pierre Thomas) are facing the same thing.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

NE and PIT - two extremely tough defenses.

I may have to sig this.