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Josh Freeman - Determining His Dynasty Upside (1 Viewer)

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THE FANTASY KING

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Hello.

Unlike previous FANTASY KING epiphanies, this one is not so much about providing information that I have that I want to share to help other owners in their leagues, this one is more of choosing a timely discussion to have. Particularly, as you can see from the title of this epiphany thread, the player on my mind is Josh Freeman.

The question about Josh Freeman I think is worth having a discussion right now is where exactly his fantasy upside is:

- Is he pretty much what he is now - a low end QB1/solid QB2?

-OR-

- Is he a future stud QB?

When Freeman came out, I remember him being compared a lot to Daunte Culpepper, physically, but everyone said that he was very raw and would need time to develop. That did not prevent him from starting right away, and while his rookie season was hardly a statistical success, everyone generally seems encouaraged by whay they saw. Specifically, nobody talks about Freeman without mentioning his come-from-behind ability, his 4th quarter poise, and the way he bounces back after making a mistake.

In my opinion, he has the physical tools, mental makeup, and now a WR1, which are pretty much the major building blocks of a fantasy stud quarterback. Currently in my standard scoring dynasty league, Freeman is QB12, but he is within 10% of QB7 (Matt Ryan). He's completing more of his passes (>60%), cutting down on turnovers (8:3 ratio), and making some things happen on the ground (176 rushing yards so far).

I think now is an advantageous time to have this discussion as, while Freeman dynasty owners are certainly feeling pretty good about Freeman, it might be a good opportunity to buy him before his ability starts translating into fantasy/statistical prominence.

Regards,

THE FANTASY KING

 
THE FANTASY KING said:
Hello.Unlike previous FANTASY KING epiphanies, this one is not so much about providing information that I have that I want to share to help other owners in their leagues, this one is more of choosing a timely discussion to have. Particularly, as you can see from the title of this epiphany thread, the player on my mind is Josh Freeman.The question about Josh Freeman I think is worth having a discussion right now is where exactly his fantasy upside is:- Is he pretty much what he is now - a low end QB1/solid QB2?-OR-- Is he a future stud QB?When Freeman came out, I remember him being compared a lot to Daunte Culpepper, physically, but everyone said that he was very raw and would need time to develop. That did not prevent him from starting right away, and while his rookie season was hardly a statistical success, everyone generally seems encouaraged by whay they saw. Specifically, nobody talks about Freeman without mentioning his come-from-behind ability, his 4th quarter poise, and the way he bounces back after making a mistake.In my opinion, he has the physical tools, mental makeup, and now a WR1, which are pretty much the major building blocks of a fantasy stud quarterback. Currently in my standard scoring dynasty league, Freeman is QB12, but he is within 10% of QB7 (Matt Ryan). He's completing more of his passes (>60%), cutting down on turnovers (8:3 ratio), and making some things happen on the ground (176 rushing yards so far).I think now is an advantageous time to have this discussion as, while Freeman dynasty owners are certainly feeling pretty good about Freeman, it might be a good opportunity to buy him before his ability starts translating into fantasy/statistical prominence.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
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Where the hell was your epiphany on Saturday when I was asking who was the WW QB to have? I picked up Stafford; and he better outplay Freeman from here on out or I'm going to hold you personally responsible, King. Seriously why I went the way I did was that I thought as TBB gets deeper into the season, and if they are still doing well, they will try to control the ball more (i.e. run); I thought this might hurt his overall stats.
 
pittstownkiller said:
THE FANTASY KING said:
Hello.Unlike previous FANTASY KING epiphanies, this one is not so much about providing information that I have that I want to share to help other owners in their leagues, this one is more of choosing a timely discussion to have. Particularly, as you can see from the title of this epiphany thread, the player on my mind is Josh Freeman.The question about Josh Freeman I think is worth having a discussion right now is where exactly his fantasy upside is:- Is he pretty much what he is now - a low end QB1/solid QB2?-OR-- Is he a future stud QB?When Freeman came out, I remember him being compared a lot to Daunte Culpepper, physically, but everyone said that he was very raw and would need time to develop. That did not prevent him from starting right away, and while his rookie season was hardly a statistical success, everyone generally seems encouaraged by whay they saw. Specifically, nobody talks about Freeman without mentioning his come-from-behind ability, his 4th quarter poise, and the way he bounces back after making a mistake.In my opinion, he has the physical tools, mental makeup, and now a WR1, which are pretty much the major building blocks of a fantasy stud quarterback. Currently in my standard scoring dynasty league, Freeman is QB12, but he is within 10% of QB7 (Matt Ryan). He's completing more of his passes (>60%), cutting down on turnovers (8:3 ratio), and making some things happen on the ground (176 rushing yards so far).I think now is an advantageous time to have this discussion as, while Freeman dynasty owners are certainly feeling pretty good about Freeman, it might be a good opportunity to buy him before his ability starts translating into fantasy/statistical prominence.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
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Where the hell was your epiphany on Saturday when I was asking who was the WW QB to have? I picked up Stafford; and he better outplay Freeman from here on out or I'm going to hold you personally responsible, King. Seriously why I went the way I did was that I thought as TBB gets deeper into the season, and if they are still doing well, they will try to control the ball more (i.e. run); I thought this might hurt his overall stats.
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Hello Poster,I am thinking more long-term from a dynasty perspective. However, both long and short-term, I think Stafford is the better prospect/player to have, so I think you did well there following your instincts.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
 
He's quietly been one of the most consistent QB2s in fantasy this season. Outside of the Steelers game he's been extremely consistent. His numbers have rarely been spectacular but he generally hasn't let anyone down. Going forward, I think he could sneak into the back end of the Top 15 this season given how impressive Williams is and if Blount gives them a running game and Benn emerges. At worst, though, he has the look of a rock-solid QB2. Long term, he could become a Top 10 QB in my opinion given Williams' talent and Benn's potential. The key there is Blount or someone generating a consistent running attack. Having Blount yesterday really opened up the play-action game and while I realize it was against the Cardinals Freeman still threw the ball effectively. Most impressive is he hasn't thrown an INT in three games and now has an 8:3 TD:INT ratio. That's a huge improvement over his rookie season. There's a lot to like with the Bucs offensively - especially if Blount is the real deal. If he is, this team could have a strong young group of skill position players with Freeman leading the way.

 
I love Freemans upside. Reminds me of a young Big Ben the way he extends plays. Tampa has got their QB for the next decade. :thumbup:

 
Freeman is a more athletic Kerry Collins. Strong arm, potential for lots of TDs and yardage, but a low completion percentage and decent number of INTs as well.

 
Lol at epiphany. He's only had 1 bad game all year and that was predictably against the Steelers. Where'd this come from?

 
spitkickers said:
ooh anotha epifthany ova heah. what, you got an offa we can't refuse?How's Brandon Jackson woikin' out fa you'se?
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My Brandon Jackson Epiphany was posted right around the bottom of Brandon Jackson's value, and he has seen a steady increase since, solidifying the main RB job in Green Bay. I am marking it down as a success at this point.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
 
Well I hope you're right. I picked him up off waivers last week in a keeper league where we're allowed to keep a player for 3 years. This is my last year with Rodgers, so I was hunting for a QB with potential keeper value next year. I'd get to keep Freeman for my 10th round pick next year. He's #14 QB in our league right now... if Tampa has a good 2nd half and he climbs closer to top 10 I could roll with him as my QB1 next year... wishful thinking.

 
kinghill said:
Well I hope you're right. I picked him up off waivers last week in a keeper league where we're allowed to keep a player for 3 years. This is my last year with Rodgers, so I was hunting for a QB with potential keeper value next year. I'd get to keep Freeman for my 10th round pick next year. He's #14 QB in our league right now... if Tampa has a good 2nd half and he climbs closer to top 10 I could roll with him as my QB1 next year... wishful thinking.
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I don't think that's wishful thinking at all. I think there is a very good possibility that Freeman is a top 10 QB next season.
 
I'm in two leagues this season. Through week 8 (PPG), he's #12 in one league and #10 in the other.

Cumulative scoring (FBG) puts him at #12 through Week 8.

While it's certainly not a lock, it's also not a stretch that he'll be top-10 QB this season in many leagues.

I'm at that mid-season evaluation point, re-evaluating starters and such. I drafted Schaub to start and Freeman to back him up. Freeman has been more consistent while scoring more points, and I'm very likely to make Freeman my default starter until something changes for Freeman or Schaub.

Every week, projections tell me Schaub is the better start. This validates my presumption that he's my starter, and it makes sense based on past performance. But enough 2010 data is accumulating, to show that he's got the look of a low-end QB1 already.

Sorry to hijack from the 'dynasty upside' topic, but Freeman seems to have already arrived as at least a marginal fantasy starter, in most formats.

 
THE FANTASY KING said:
Hello.

Unlike previous FANTASY KING epiphanies, this one is not so much about providing information that I have that I want to share to help other owners in their leagues, this one is more of choosing a timely discussion to have. Particularly, as you can see from the title of this epiphany thread, the player on my mind is Josh Freeman.
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actually September would have been timely. This is late to the party.
 
It amazes me how underrated this guy continues to be in fantasy circles. I still see his name (and Mike Williams for that matter) appearing in waiver wire articles from other sites. IMO there was plenty of indication from preseason he was going to be a solid QB2 and really should have been drafted in most, if not all leagues.

As for dynasty, I like the Ben comparison. In terms of current prospects for fantasy I would rank him around the level of Matt Ryan and Stafford, and well ahead of Sanchez.

 
pittstownkiller said:
THE FANTASY KING said:
Hello.Unlike previous FANTASY KING epiphanies, this one is not so much about providing information that I have that I want to share to help other owners in their leagues, this one is more of choosing a timely discussion to have. Particularly, as you can see from the title of this epiphany thread, the player on my mind is Josh Freeman.The question about Josh Freeman I think is worth having a discussion right now is where exactly his fantasy upside is:- Is he pretty much what he is now - a low end QB1/solid QB2?-OR-- Is he a future stud QB?When Freeman came out, I remember him being compared a lot to Daunte Culpepper, physically, but everyone said that he was very raw and would need time to develop. That did not prevent him from starting right away, and while his rookie season was hardly a statistical success, everyone generally seems encouaraged by whay they saw. Specifically, nobody talks about Freeman without mentioning his come-from-behind ability, his 4th quarter poise, and the way he bounces back after making a mistake.In my opinion, he has the physical tools, mental makeup, and now a WR1, which are pretty much the major building blocks of a fantasy stud quarterback. Currently in my standard scoring dynasty league, Freeman is QB12, but he is within 10% of QB7 (Matt Ryan). He's completing more of his passes (>60%), cutting down on turnovers (8:3 ratio), and making some things happen on the ground (176 rushing yards so far).I think now is an advantageous time to have this discussion as, while Freeman dynasty owners are certainly feeling pretty good about Freeman, it might be a good opportunity to buy him before his ability starts translating into fantasy/statistical prominence.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
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Where the hell was your epiphany on Saturday when I was asking who was the WW QB to have? I picked up Stafford; and he better outplay Freeman from here on out or I'm going to hold you personally responsible, King. Seriously why I went the way I did was that I thought as TBB gets deeper into the season, and if they are still doing well, they will try to control the ball more (i.e. run); I thought this might hurt his overall stats.
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Sorry, but Calvin > Tampa Mike. You shouldn't be upset about this.
 
THE FANTASY KING said:
Hello.Unlike previous FANTASY KING epiphanies, this one is not so much about providing information that I have that I want to share to help other owners in their leagues, this one is more of choosing a timely discussion to have. Particularly, as you can see from the title of this epiphany thread, the player on my mind is Josh Freeman.The question about Josh Freeman I think is worth having a discussion right now is where exactly his fantasy upside is:- Is he pretty much what he is now - a low end QB1/solid QB2?-OR-- Is he a future stud QB?When Freeman came out, I remember him being compared a lot to Daunte Culpepper, physically, but everyone said that he was very raw and would need time to develop. That did not prevent him from starting right away, and while his rookie season was hardly a statistical success, everyone generally seems encouaraged by whay they saw. Specifically, nobody talks about Freeman without mentioning his come-from-behind ability, his 4th quarter poise, and the way he bounces back after making a mistake.In my opinion, he has the physical tools, mental makeup, and now a WR1, which are pretty much the major building blocks of a fantasy stud quarterback. Currently in my standard scoring dynasty league, Freeman is QB12, but he is within 10% of QB7 (Matt Ryan). He's completing more of his passes (>60%), cutting down on turnovers (8:3 ratio), and making some things happen on the ground (176 rushing yards so far).I think now is an advantageous time to have this discussion as, while Freeman dynasty owners are certainly feeling pretty good about Freeman, it might be a good opportunity to buy him before his ability starts translating into fantasy/statistical prominence.Regards,imPoster
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Fixed your signature buddy
 
Hello KING!

Personally, I think that Freeman has the natural playmaking ability, and is in a position to suceed from a fantasy football perspective.

As long as he doesn't make too many mistakes, and is able to move the chains and get the ball in the endzone, either through the air or on the ground, he will have the potential to help out your squad.

Take this as an LAJ "exclusive", but I fully expect him to mature an end up in the QB5-24 (+/- 10%) range next season.

Regards,

LARRY ALLEN'S JOCKSTRAP

 
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LarryAllen said:
Hello KING!Personally, I think that Freeman has the natural playmaking ability, and is in a position to suceed from a fantasy football perspective.As long as he doesn't make too many mistakes, and is able to move the chains and get the ball in the endzone, either through the air or on the ground, he will have the potential to help out your squad.Take this as an LAJ "exclusive", but I fully expect him to mature an end up in the QB5-24 (+/- 10%) range next season.Regards,LARRY ALLEN'S JOCKSTRAP
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I think you are actually not Larry Allen's Jockstrap, you are just a fan:reported:
 
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