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Josh McDaniels trade press conf. - online radio link (1 Viewer)
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I would be SOOOOO pissed if I was a bronco fan.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Should be starting now.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
McDaniels just gave the standard rote responses of "Kyle has won in this league, we think he can help us, he's excited to compete for a job, every position is going to compete in camp for jobs."
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Will consider drafting a QB [of course], no position is off limits in the draft.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Chris [simms] is knee deep in the offense, he's bright, he's committed and, yes, he will have every opportunity to compete for "that" [meaning the starting] spot.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Interesting that he can't refer to him as "Jay" or "Cutler", but only as "the player"
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Lobary
Footballguy
I logged in just to make the same point.This guy is an incredible #####. Who the hell is Josh McDaniels and what has he ever done as an NFL head coach?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Still nothing really worth reporting. He likes Cassel, thinks he'll be great. He thinks Cutler would've been highly successful in his system, thinks Cutler is smart but it didn't work out. Agrees that Cutler has a bigger arm than Simms and Orton but he's sure he can win with a QB that doesn't have the strongest arm.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Bud Dwyer time.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Quick mention of Marshall. Just said that they're waiting to hear if the league is going to do something, and beyond that they have no comment.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
So he admits he just traded a Pro bowl QB for a back up.And some magic beans.Jason Wood said:
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
He's been calling him "the player" for quite some time now. Why all the fuss about it today?
Adebisi
Footballguy
And two 1st round picks and a 3rd. That's not relevant to you?
Domination
Footballguy
I know it is hard to find a QB in this league. But if you are going to trade one, I can't think that you could expect to get any more than they did.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Pre presser
When half the NFL teams drop whatever they're doing and make bids for your QB shouldn't you stop and say "wait a minute. Are we making a Favre for Tony Smith trade here?"
Sure they getting more, but how many draft picks even become starters?
2005 first round
When half the NFL teams drop whatever they're doing and make bids for your QB shouldn't you stop and say "wait a minute. Are we making a Favre for Tony Smith trade here?"
Sure they getting more, but how many draft picks even become starters?
2005 first round
Well one thing that came out of the conference was that Denver did talk to Jay and his agent when they were approached of the deal. That had not came out yet. But then Jay and Bus broke the communication between them and Denver. Also when they had the meeting Bus would not let Cutler sit down one on one with the HC??
SO this tells me this goes back to Shanny and Bates being let go. This crap of the Cassell trade is just BS from Cutler.
Poor Cutler cannot handle change when his friends leave.
SO this tells me this goes back to Shanny and Bates being let go. This crap of the Cassell trade is just BS from Cutler.
Poor Cutler cannot handle change when his friends leave.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Fixed. I am wearing my Bears Walter Payton jersey proudly at work today!!!
bcr8f
Footballguy
If you believe McDaniels. He may be lying to avert a fan revolt. Anyone cancel season tickets yet? It could be all about money.
Look the truth is in the middle, but both mishandled this. But I really think that Cutler was so pissed that Shanny and Bates were let go he had not intention of staying in Denver. This whole mess of the Cassell trade just gave them the opening that they were looking for, but I really think he would of found something to "cry" about to force his way. I think most Bronco's fans are happy that Cutler is gone. With the way he was acting. Denver was going to have a down year this season so instead of finishing 7-9 or so they may finish 5-11. Not a lot of difference there to be honest.
massraider
Footballguy
I live in Colorado. Not the ones I talk to.
Football Jones
Footballguy
All you need to know about Cutler's ego is his quote about having a stronger arm than Elway. Not that it's too terribly bad, in & of itself, but not sure why he'd compare himself to Elway at this point in his career. LOL.
My point being, given that statement, it's not hard to see why Cutler would get mad as hell about Denver possibly trading him. In short, he has an out-of-control ego. I've generally been pro-Cutler in the past, but at the end of the day, he's to blame for every bit of this mess. There's nothing the Broncos could've done differently. Cutler wasn't happy & he wanted to be traded. Period.
Kudos to McDaniels & company for getting equitable value so quickly & begin the process of getting back to the business of building a team.
My point being, given that statement, it's not hard to see why Cutler would get mad as hell about Denver possibly trading him. In short, he has an out-of-control ego. I've generally been pro-Cutler in the past, but at the end of the day, he's to blame for every bit of this mess. There's nothing the Broncos could've done differently. Cutler wasn't happy & he wanted to be traded. Period.
Kudos to McDaniels & company for getting equitable value so quickly & begin the process of getting back to the business of building a team.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Anyone think Cutler just wanted to run away from Phillip Rivers' division? There has to be something more to the story than a trade that didn't happen.
I hope Lovie Smith has plenty of diapers on hand for Cutler.
I hope Lovie Smith has plenty of diapers on hand for Cutler.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Umm. 1 Late first, and most likely 1 very last first and a third for a Pro Bowl 25 Year old QB with alot of physical talent.I don't like the Bears for the Monday night game a few years back but I have to admit this trade FAVORS them BIGTIME.Josh will be fired by year two he'S Lane Kiffin pt II
bcr8f
Footballguy
Saying your arm is stronger isn't a comparison to Elway, only his arm strength. Probably some reporter got him to talk freely at a bar or restaurant and he let this tidbit slip and it got blown up.They like getting players drunk and then releasing things out of context. Some reporters live for it. Why do you think many athletes refuse to talk to them.
You also got the part wrong about him being mad about the trade. He was mad about being lied to about a trade, not the trade itself.
Out of control ego?
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I think ego and insecurity often come out looking about the same to the outside world. My guess is Cutler is a lot more insecure than he is egotistical.
Adebisi
Footballguy
I'm not talking about the merits of the trade. You broke it down as, "So he admits he just traded a Pro bowl QB for a back up. And some magic beans."Clearly, they got far more than just a backup QB. In fact, the two 1sts and a 3rd were a much bigger part of this trade than Orton was.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Did he trot out Cutler's throwback jersey again like he did last week at the owners meetings?
massraider
Footballguy
Yep, but it said "THE PLAYER".
FUBAR
Footballguy
1.18 isn't really a "late" first. FWIW, last year's 1.18 was Joe Flacco. 2010 1st could be late, and I think there's a good chance they win the division this year. GB having 3 new QBs in the division with Rodgers. (probably, once Detroit takes Stafford). This isn't a big time win for Chicago, it's a trade that should work out well for both teams IMO.
KoolKat
Footballguy
Everyone I know is happy we traded him. For Orton, maybe not, but I think the trade worked out the best it possibly could have for the Broncos. This will not effect season tickets, the waiting list is rediculous.
FavreCo
Footballguy
'The Player' references are simply this:
(taking a jab at Cutler) A obvious psych move. Striking his name from Broncos talk. He's not a Bronco, he's just a player now. That's why he's refering to him as 'the player'.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
The Bronco fans I know are sick about this, heck even Elway is not sounding as he likes it either.
Here is one Bronco fan that is fine with his departure. Here's looking forward to a few years of GOOD drafting!
a_troll00
Footballguy
OK, so what do the Broncos do now? Well, they're now in full scale rebuild mode, so let's play with that scenario.
The NFL Network keeps chirping that the Broncos need to use the picks they got to move up in the draft and acquire Sanchez. No, no, no, no, no! IMO, Sanchez may be the most over-hyped player in this years draft. Also, I'm really not that fond of QBs that don't play all four years in college. (Does anybody have a collection of stats of QBs that come out early? Are there any that have done really well?) The Broncos have such pressing needs at defense, that they absolutely must address those in this draft. They should definitely use the two first round picks of this year to grab a pass rusher and nose tackle.
So, what about this year at QB? The Broncos should just stick with Orton and Simms for this season, let's see what they can do. With the Broncos schedule and the state of the team they may very well have a top six draft pick for 2010. They'll be in prime shape to grab either Colt McCoy or Todd Reesing. How well will either QB do in McDaniel's system? It's irrelevant really, he'll be gone after his three seasons are up.
The NFL Network keeps chirping that the Broncos need to use the picks they got to move up in the draft and acquire Sanchez. No, no, no, no, no! IMO, Sanchez may be the most over-hyped player in this years draft. Also, I'm really not that fond of QBs that don't play all four years in college. (Does anybody have a collection of stats of QBs that come out early? Are there any that have done really well?) The Broncos have such pressing needs at defense, that they absolutely must address those in this draft. They should definitely use the two first round picks of this year to grab a pass rusher and nose tackle.
So, what about this year at QB? The Broncos should just stick with Orton and Simms for this season, let's see what they can do. With the Broncos schedule and the state of the team they may very well have a top six draft pick for 2010. They'll be in prime shape to grab either Colt McCoy or Todd Reesing. How well will either QB do in McDaniel's system? It's irrelevant really, he'll be gone after his three seasons are up.
ffldrew
Footballguy
With our first #1 - Ray Maualuga - get some heart and soul back in the middle.#1 (pick 18 from Bears) - Get best DE - not sure how it plays out - I've seen mocks that are all over the place but Jackson from LSU could be good - if he is gone and then another of the DE's.pick #2 - in Second Round I try to target Senderrick Marks from Auburn at DT/Nose - he really held the middle nicely at Auburn.The two #3's - Find a CB to replace Dre Bly - Cary Harris/Sherrod Martin/Chris Owens- and then another LB - McKenzie from USF? - if it looks like we have a target in sight link up a pick with Scheffler to move up.Then start looking for more D help in 4th - a hard hitting safety to add depth would be good to hopefully have Dawkins groom.Only after that they should look offensivelyAlso if I'm Bowlen I hire Jimmy Johnson as a consultant to come in and help Xanders and McDaniel manipulate the draft - teach the young boys the ropes of moving up and down to get the guys they want along with extra picks.ETA- Sounds like Lamney is going to chime in on the KFAN(see top post for online) and also replay of a McDaniel interview with Alfred Williams and Scott Hastings(not the best interviews but there is some insight at RB) - it is at 5 Mountain
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Technically, of course, it's not a late first. It's a mid-first. But in the important way, it's a late first round pick. For example, according to the PVC, it's got 77% as much value as the average first round pick. That's because the top picks are worth so much. There are 32 first round picks, but the 18th pick represents just 2.4% of overall first round value. (If the picks were equally valued, each pick would represent 3.125% of overall value).In terms of cumulative value, really the 10th/11th picks are what are "middle" picks. After the 10th pick, roughly 50% of the first round value is gone. Right before the 18th pick, 70.6% of all first round value is gone. So in that sense -- and that is the important sense -- it's a later first round pick.
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PV %Val Cum%Val1 3000 8.1% 8.1%2 2600 7.0% 15.1%3 2200 5.9% 21.0%4 1800 4.9% 25.9%5 1700 4.6% 30.5%6 1600 4.3% 34.8%7 1500 4.0% 38.9%8 1400 3.8% 42.6%9 1350 3.6% 46.3%10 1300 3.5% 49.8%11 1250 3.4% 53.1%12 1200 3.2% 56.4%13 1150 3.1% 59.5%14 1100 3.0% 62.5%15 1050 2.8% 65.3%16 1000 2.7% 68.0%17 950 2.6% 70.6%18 900 2.4% 73.0%19 875 2.4% 75.3%20 850 2.3% 77.6%21 800 2.2% 79.8%22 780 2.1% 81.9%23 760 2.1% 83.9%24 740 2.0% 85.9%25 720 1.9% 87.9%26 700 1.9% 89.8%27 680 1.8% 91.6%28 660 1.8% 93.4%29 640 1.7% 95.1%30 620 1.7% 96.8%31 600 1.6% 98.4%32 590 1.6% 100.0%Courtjester
The Town Drunk
If they follow this strategy, then I will not be as mad. But if they do any kind of package to move up to get Sanchez, it will be this team saying, "Wow, we blew it with Jay and now we are full blown panic mode." If McDork is so solid in his stance that this is a team and we don't need one player to be the face, then moving up and drafting Sanchez would be a direct contradiction and will make him look so much more the fool.This team has holes and worse yet a lack of depth all over. This draft needs to be about getting players to fill those needs. Bowlen and McDaniels just need to come clean and approach this as a rebuilding year. Focus on installing a system and getting players that fit that system.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
Those are the Magic Beans.Here is Denver's 1st rd draft history since 1980, 28 years, tell me which 2 players you would accept in a trade for your franchise QB, (excluding the Jay Cutler pick)2008 12 Ryan Clady T Boise State2007 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida2006 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt2005 No Pick -- 2004 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami (Fla.)2003 20 George Foster T Georgia2002 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii2001 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota2000 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California1999 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee1998 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee1997 28 Trevor Pryce DT Clemson1996 15 John Mobley OLB Kutztown1995 No Pick -- 1994 No Pick -- 1993 11 Dan Williams DE Toledo1992 25 Tommy Maddox QB UCLA1991 4 Mike Croel OLB Nebraska1990 No Pick -- 1989 20 Steve Atwater DB Arkansas1988 26 Ted Gregory NT Syracuse1987 27 Ricky Nattiel WR Florida1986 No Pick -- 1985 26 Steven Sewell RB Oklahoma1984 No Pick -- 1983 4 Chris Hinton G Northwestern1982 21 Gerald Willhite RB San Jose State1981 15 Dennis Smith DB USCThat's why draft picks are magic beans, you toss them on the dirt and hope they grow into something. I'm not seeing very many giant beanstalks on that list, maybe a few little sprouts.....
Any two of Dennis Smith, Steve Atwater, John Mobley, Trevor Price, Al Wilson, DJ Williams, and Ryan Clady. 7 out of 21 isn't great, but to say you can't find 2 is ludicrous. Heck, I might even throw Steve Sewell in there too.
ffldrew
Footballguy
Right now if we could add Dennis Smith and Steve Atwater to this defense today - I'd jump up and down for joy. Not a lot of teams enjoyed going over the middle with those two in the backfield.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
You realize that you just selected 2 players that were drafted at least 20 years ago, that's the point. Draft picks do not always equate to top talent.
Magic Beans
Magic Beans
You made the list to go back 28 years, not us. Oh and by the way, Smith and Atwater were top talents as were Mobley, Wilson, and Price. The jury is still out on Williams and Clady.
