Josh McDaniels (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Here are a couple articles about Josh I was just reading at denverpost.com, if anybody's interested.

McD wants defenses' hate

"There are things we will do (offensively) that other teams have never done."

Josh McDaniels is not kidding, boasting, lying, hypothesizing.

The new head of state for the Broncos is issuing a forewarning, a challenge, a notification, a declaration he firmly believes, to supporters, skeptics, an interloper in his office and, most important, National Football League adversaries.

McDaniels is serious as a Gottfried von Leibniz calculus problem.

"The interesting thing is people talk about our offense and kind of stereotype it as this quote spread or shotgun offense, but . . . we definitely will find different ways to make defenses work to get ready for us. (Jacksonville coach) Jack Del Rio said it best two years ago. He said preparing for us (New England) was like preparing for six different offenses. We want to dictate to defenses."

To a visitor, McDaniels applies the word "we" to describe both the Patriots and the Broncos, which raises the question: "How much of this will be the Patriots' offense and your own offense?".......

New Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is only 33 but a football veteran

CANTON, Ohio — Here in the land of rich Midwest soil and high school football majesty, Josh McDaniels was toughened to handle one of the greatest quarterback-coach spats in NFL history.

McDaniels could never have known this, of course, as he played quarterback in a demanding town for a legendary high school coach who happened to be his father. Playing for Dad meant proving every day to everybody else that a starting position was something earned, not inherited.

In starting his first head coaching job with the Denver Broncos, McDaniels' preference would have been to use his fertile background on more menial tasks, such as rebuilding the organization.

But to revisit McDaniels' youth, to see the millions of dollars poured into the local prep football programs in northern Ohio, to understand the grave pressure that accompanies upscale accommodations and the expectations from those who funded them, is to realize former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler never had a chance.....

 

[Banger]

interesting but still doesn't change my opinion of how he handled his offseason but we'll see who was right soon enough...

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Not McDaniels related but Fox 31 in Denver is reporting that Brandon Marshall has been spotted in camp and his agent is supposedly in town. More info can be found on the Fox 31 Denver website. I do not have the link handy.

 

[CBower4545]

So if the Patriots are the evil empire , and the Broncos are a spinoff of them then I think that would make McDaniels This Guy

 

[Jercules]

It's one thing to run such a complex and diverse offense when you have vets like Brady, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Moss, etc. etc. It's another thing when you've got youth pretty much everywhere, and less talent.

This sounds very impressive, but I think it'll probably blow up right in his face, and he'll be replaced in two years by some defensive guru who proposes to "return the Broncos running game back to its glory days."

 

[lord_helmet]

So if the Patriots are the evil empire , and the Broncos are a spinoff of them then I think that would make McDaniels This Guy

Its time to get Mile High

 

[shredhead]

It's one thing to run such a complex and diverse offense when you have vets like Brady, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Moss, etc. etc. It's another thing when you've got youth pretty much everywhere, and less talent.

I hope you're wrong,

This sounds very impressive, but I think it'll probably blow up right in his face, and he'll be replaced in two years by some defensive guru who proposes to "return the Broncos running game back to its glory days."

but then again, I kinda hope you're right.

 

[munchkin]

It's one thing to run such a complex and diverse offense when you have vets like Brady, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Moss, etc. etc. It's another thing when you've got youth pretty much everywhere, and less talent. This sounds very impressive, but I think it'll probably blow up right in his face, and he'll be replaced in two years by some defensive guru who proposes to "return the Broncos running game back to its glory days."

Maybe the fact that the offense ran pretty well with Cassel gives the Bronco's fans some hope with Orton as the QB. Seems to me with all the praise we hear in these pages for Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall that there is some talent at WR as well. The Offensive line in Denver has been receiving a lot of kudos too; I don't know that the NE line is that much better. One thing we do know is that Orton will be throwing to the open man and not forcing the ball to whomever he sees fit as much as Cutler did. I wouldn't be writing off McDaniels so easily. What helped to make NE consistently good is that all the players, including the mega-stars, bought into the system. Moss wasn't running off at the mouth last year (for the most part) when he wasn't getting the ball. Of course McDaniels has to be selling something the players can buy into, and it could all fall apart. McDaniels is a smart guy and he was a very good Offensive Coordinator; what we don't know is if he is a good head coach. Good and even great coaches don't always have winning records in their first couple of years; however, they do need to lay a solid foundation to be successful.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

If the "great" Charlie Weis hasn't found success outside of New England I'm betting against this kid too. Weis has been around the game alot longer and had alot less to work with in NE.

 

[kickitforward]

Ronald നcDaniels™

...that's great!!

 

[Ozymandias]

Well we know the Evil Empire fathered the Death Star.

And we know what happened to the Death Star.

 

[bcr8f]

He'll be almost as successful as Mangini.

 

[Tom Servo]

Unless he does something about that defense, he's going to have a bunch of AFL-esque scores.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So RW is saying Josh McDaniels is headed to Cleveland.

Did not realize he has roots in No. OH.

If this happens, I'm just going to say this is going to be incredible for an already incredible Josh Gordon.

And I don't think he repeats the Tebow mistake, this time he gets the QB right and it will be good, who knows, maybe that means Hoyer.

And maybe Horton stays as DC.

Good luck, Browns.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

kinda feels like a browns or lions move to hire him

 

[MAC_32]

There will not be enough alcohol in this city the day he gets hired.

 

[Quez]

So RW is saying Josh McDaniels is headed to Cleveland.

Did not realize he has roots in No. OH.

If this happens, I'm just going to say this is going to be incredible for an already incredible Josh Gordon.

And I don't think he repeats the Tebow mistake, this time he gets the QB right and it will be good, who knows, maybe that means Hoyer.

And maybe Horton stays as DC.

Good luck, Browns.

This would be a disaster. The team liked Chud, and now he is going to be replaced by an d-bag like McDaniels? Wasn't this guy a control freak like Schiano? Players hate coaches like that unless your name is BB.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So RW is saying Josh McDaniels is headed to Cleveland.

Did not realize he has roots in No. OH.

If this happens, I'm just going to say this is going to be incredible for an already incredible Josh Gordon.

And I don't think he repeats the Tebow mistake, this time he gets the QB right and it will be good, who knows, maybe that means Hoyer.

And maybe Horton stays as DC.

Good luck, Browns.

This would be a disaster. The team liked Chud, and now he is going to be replaced by an d-bag like McDaniels? Wasn't this guy a control freak like Schiano? Players hate coaches like that unless your name is BB.

Yeah I guess so, hey I don't get the Chud firing either (and again good luck to Browns fans), but wasn't it under McDaniels that Orton, Marshall and Lloyd went nuts? Not to mention Randy Moss back in 07.

I'm just thinking the effect on Gordon will be a positive. Is this wrong?

 

[Steed]

He had a lot of personality clashes in Denver. If Josh Gordon becomes one of his guys, then great. But mcdaniels dismantled a top 3 offense for no other reason than he didn't like the guys already there.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

He had a lot of personality clashes in Denver. If Josh Gordon becomes one of his guys, then great. But mcdaniels dismantled a top 3 offense for no other reason than he didn't like the guys already there.

gotta hope he grew up and learned from his mistakes at his first shot, but ya never know with these guys

 

[fatness]

It's hard to believe any team would consider this guy for HC again.

 

[TheFly06]

It's one thing to run such a complex and diverse offense when you have vets like Brady, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Moss, etc. etc. It's another thing when you've got youth pretty much everywhere, and less talent.

This sounds very impressive, but I think it'll probably blow up right in his face, and he'll be replaced in two years by some defensive guru who proposes to "return the Broncos running game back to its glory days."

Wow! Great call!

 

[amnesiac]

So RW is saying Josh McDaniels is headed to Cleveland.

Did not realize he has roots in No. OH.

If this happens, I'm just going to say this is going to be incredible for an already incredible Josh Gordon.

And I don't think he repeats the Tebow mistake, this time he gets the QB right and it will be good, who knows, maybe that means Hoyer.

And maybe Horton stays as DC.

Good luck, Browns.

This would be a disaster. The team liked Chud, and now he is going to be replaced by an d-bag like McDaniels? Wasn't this guy a control freak like Schiano? Players hate coaches like that unless your name is BB.

players hate coaches unless they are winning. if he can win, everyone will learn to like him.

 

[Bri]

He had a lot of personality clashes in Denver. If Josh Gordon becomes one of his guys, then great. But mcdaniels dismantled a top 3 offense for no other reason than he didn't like the guys already there.

gotta hope he grew up and learned from his mistakes at his first shot, but ya never know with these guys

Going from know it all, to having time to go back and rehash things out with BB, I'm curious. Otherwise, I wouldn't in anyway want him coaching a team again.

I hope they consider giving Pepper the DC job. I've been rooting for him for too long and he never gets a shot.

Mangini and Romeo...one of the fruits on this tree ought to work out.

 

[rickyg]

Rip Cleveland browns. Great OC. Horrific hc.

It's pretty clear at this point that the problem with the browns stats at the top with ownership. If the owners can't find someone better than josh mcdaniels to run the ship they might as well pack it in.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

It's hard to believe any team would consider this guy for HC again.

Least attractive job available, I will be surprised if McDaniels considers them.

 

[Bri]

They better draft lineman and skip the obvious QB need or RB need. His offense is too cute and takes too much time, they're going to need the best line possible.

 

[msommer]

Is this the Bill Belichick v 2.0 triumphant return to CLE?

"It worked so well the last time, let's do that again!"

 

[cstu]

So RW is saying Josh McDaniels is headed to Cleveland.

Did not realize he has roots in No. OH.

If this happens, I'm just going to say this is going to be incredible for an already incredible Josh Gordon.

And I don't think he repeats the Tebow mistake, this time he gets the QB right and it will be good, who knows, maybe that means Hoyer.

And maybe Horton stays as DC.

Good luck, Browns.

This would be a disaster. The team liked Chud, and now he is going to be replaced by an d-bag like McDaniels? Wasn't this guy a control freak like Schiano? Players hate coaches like that unless your name is BB.

Yeah I guess so, hey I don't get the Chud firing either (and again good luck to Browns fans), but wasn't it under McDaniels that Orton, Marshall and Lloyd went nuts? Not to mention Randy Moss back in 07.

I'm just thinking the effect on Gordon will be a positive. Is this wrong?

Especially if he brings in Mallett as the QB. I suspect Gordon could challenge for #1 overall WR with him at QB.

 

[menobrown]

He had a lot of personality clashes in Denver. If Josh Gordon becomes one of his guys, then great. But mcdaniels dismantled a top 3 offense for no other reason than he didn't like the guys already there.

Not really.

Cutler and Marshall both requested trades.

Either way he left the offense stacked with young talent. Also talent that did not cost nearly as much as it would have to extend Marshall's or Cutlers deals. The talent he left behind was no doubt a motivating factor for Peyton to come to Denver and because they did not pay to extend Marshall or Cutler they had plenty of money to accommodate Peyton's pay and still bring in guys like Welker.

Mcdaniels might suck as a HC. To me he seemed to suffer from some immaturity issues that he might have learned from. But if you grade his personnel moves on the whole it was actually pretty strong. I think to many people just can't get past the Cutler/Marshall trades and selection of Tebow and don't properly view the totality of his personnel moves.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone think he learned from his past failures in Denver?

 

[Steed]

He had a lot of personality clashes in Denver. If Josh Gordon becomes one of his guys, then great. But mcdaniels dismantled a top 3 offense for no other reason than he didn't like the guys already there.

Not really.

Cutler and Marshall both requested trades.

Either way he left the offense stacked with young talent. Also talent that did not cost nearly as much as it would have to extend Marshall's or Cutlers deals. The talent he left behind was no doubt a motivating factor for Peyton to come to Denver and because they did not pay to extend Marshall or Cutler they had plenty of money to accommodate Peyton's pay and still bring in guys like Welker.

Mcdaniels might suck as a HC. To me he seemed to suffer from some immaturity issues that he might have learned from. But if you grade his personnel moves on the whole it was actually pretty strong. I think to many people just can't get past the Cutler/Marshall trades and selection of Tebow and don't properly view the totality of his personnel moves.

Interesting logic. By not extending a young franchise qb like cutler (he was highly thought of then, almost to the levels of Andrew luck) it enabled the next gm to land one of the greatest qbs of all time. I'm sure Josh in his utmost wisdom felt playing Matt Cassell or Kyle orton till Peyton was ready to move on was a sound plan. Even if you wanna act like the Tebow pick never happened, his personnel moves were still crap. High picks on Robert ayers, Richard Quinn, Alphonso smith who he later traded for Dan Gronkowski. Lost on the Lawrence maroney acquisition and traded away Peyton hillis because his wife had the hots for him, only to draft Moreno with a high 1st rounder who only looks good now because of josh's brilliance which eventually led to Peyton manning.

 

[menobrown]

He had a lot of personality clashes in Denver. If Josh Gordon becomes one of his guys, then great. But mcdaniels dismantled a top 3 offense for no other reason than he didn't like the guys already there.

Not really.

Cutler and Marshall both requested trades.

Either way he left the offense stacked with young talent. Also talent that did not cost nearly as much as it would have to extend Marshall's or Cutlers deals. The talent he left behind was no doubt a motivating factor for Peyton to come to Denver and because they did not pay to extend Marshall or Cutler they had plenty of money to accommodate Peyton's pay and still bring in guys like Welker.

Mcdaniels might suck as a HC. To me he seemed to suffer from some immaturity issues that he might have learned from. But if you grade his personnel moves on the whole it was actually pretty strong. I think to many people just can't get past the Cutler/Marshall trades and selection of Tebow and don't properly view the totality of his personnel moves.

Interesting logic. By not extending a young franchise qb like cutler (he was highly thought of then, almost to the levels of Andrew luck) it enabled the next gm to land one of the greatest qbs of all time. I'm sure Josh in his utmost wisdom felt playing Matt Cassell or Kyle orton till Peyton was ready to move on was a sound plan. Even if you wanna act like the Tebow pick never happened, his personnel moves were still crap. High picks on Robert ayers, Richard Quinn, Alphonso smith who he later traded for Dan Gronkowski. Lost on the Lawrence maroney acquisition and traded away Peyton hillis because his wife had the hots for him, only to draft Moreno with a high 1st rounder who only looks good now because of josh's brilliance which eventually led to Peyton manning.

Do you not recall how the Cutler stuff went down? He went to the owner asking to be traded. Granted he said it was due to McDaniels having trade talks involving acquiring Cassell but those were just talks and McDaniels has said he was not the one who initiated them. Either way Bowlen publicly announced he would try and honor Cutler's request. McDaniels at that point had no other choice but to try and deal Cutler.

The Hillis is pure unconfirmed internet rumor.

He had his misses like everyone else but had some giant hits. Basically the foundation of the offense Peyton opted to join. There are articles and quotes from national and local writers and players that credit him for helping shape the foundation of the current roster with his moves, again especially on the offensive side. Strength of that team is obviously the offense and Elway has concentrated his drafts mainly on the defensive side but in 3 years of drafting he's added two starters to that offense and in 2 years McDaniels added 4 starters this year and 5 last year and likely next year when JD Walton is healthy. Decker, Thomas, Moreno, Beadles and Walton. That's a ton of talent so again you can highlight the misses but that's a hell of a foundation of inexpensive young talent.