Julian Edelman... the next Wes Welker? (1 Viewer)

[primitivepursuit]

Interested in heraing opinions on Julian Edelman going forward. Hes been there awhile and knows the offense well. Similar build to Welker and works the slot like Wes. Granted Gronks return could hurt but does he turn into a legit goal like target from Brady moving forward? Thinking of moving Miles Austin for him in a TD only league.

 

[Man of Zen]

Interested in heraing opinions on Julian Edelman going forward.

Then you might be interested in the thread, "Julian Edelman Going Forward."

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=668491&page=2&hl=edelman#entry15911014

 

[goodoldalky]

I'm lukewarm.

Rotoworld refers to the Pats "loving" Edelman and I don't see it. He's a role player. He's expendable as far as they are concerned. He's on a 1 year deal for basically the league minimum, he's depth, the Pats don't view him as a core piece of their offense. Amendola pulled his groin, Ridley was benched, Sudfeld got hurt, Tompkins had the drops, and Gronk was out and Brady had to throw to somebody and Edelman was one of the few WR's left on the roster.

I'd love for him to keep this up, but I believe Amendola is the next Wes Welker and I think that as the season goes on Edelman is fill-in depth for the Pats who will only be really useful in the case of injuries, etc. Down to hear folks who disagree.

 

[ldizzle]

Interested in heraing opinions on Julian Edelman going forward. Hes been there awhile and knows the offense well. Similar build to Welker and works the slot like Wes. Granted Gronks return could hurt but does he turn into a legit goal like target from Brady moving forward? Thinking of moving Miles Austin for him in a TD only league.

whoa whoa whoa. Wouldnt pull that move but like guy above me posted there is some good discussiom in that thread

 

[mphtrilogy]

Without gronk hes a top 20 guy

with Gronk he slides into the top 30

but he is the 3rd option with Grnk back

with Vernee out, his value is going to be very solid...

 

[brun]

Interested in heraing opinions on Julian Edelman going forward. Hes been there awhile and knows the offense well. Similar build to Welker and works the slot like Wes. Granted Gronks return could hurt but does he turn into a legit goal like target from Brady moving forward? Thinking of moving Miles Austin for him in a TD only league.

Definitely would not make this move in a TD only league. Edelman's TD value will be next to nothing when Gronk comes back.

 

[Ace zero1]

I think im gonna snag him up. Good replacememt for roddy this week.

 

[just_want_2_win]

I agree that Edelman will benefit from Vereen's absence. This will likely soften the impact Gronk's return has on him, as far as receptions. Gronk probably will eat into Edelman's TD totals.

It's likely not a bad move to try to get Edelman. Maybe other owners will also be skeptical of him and you can get him with a low bid or later waiver priority. I'd be a bit hesitant to use a large bid or high priority bid on him given the question marks and the other WRs that you could kick the tires on for less.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm lukewarm.

Rotoworld refers to the Pats "loving" Edelman and I don't see it. He's a role player. He's expendable as far as they are concerned. He's on a 1 year deal for basically the league minimum, he's depth, the Pats don't view him as a core piece of their offense. Amendola pulled his groin, Ridley was benched, Sudfeld got hurt, Tompkins had the drops, and Gronk was out and Brady had to throw to somebody and Edelman was one of the few WR's left on the roster.

I'd love for him to keep this up, but I believe Amendola is the next Wes Welker and I think that as the season goes on Edelman is fill-in depth for the Pats who will only be really useful in the case of injuries, etc. Down to hear folks who disagree.

Did you happen to catch how the Pats were using Edelman last season before he got hurt? And that was while Welker WAS on the roster, and when they had their TE's (when healthy).

 

[rocketsauce]

I'm lukewarm.

Rotoworld refers to the Pats "loving" Edelman and I don't see it. He's a role player. He's expendable as far as they are concerned. He's on a 1 year deal for basically the league minimum, he's depth, the Pats don't view him as a core piece of their offense. Amendola pulled his groin, Ridley was benched, Sudfeld got hurt, Tompkins had the drops, and Gronk was out and Brady had to throw to somebody and Edelman was one of the few WR's left on the roster.

I'd love for him to keep this up, but I believe Amendola is the next Wes Welker and I think that as the season goes on Edelman is fill-in depth for the Pats who will only be really useful in the case of injuries, etc. Down to hear folks who disagree.

Did you happen to catch how the Pats were using Edelman last season before he got hurt? And that was while Welker WAS on the roster, and when they had their TE's (when healthy).

And Edelman's first TD and 4 catches came with Amendola on the field as well. They may have re-signed him not to be a vital part of the offense, but with their options, he is going to be part of their offense (until he gets hurt too.) I don't think Edelman is a replacement for Amendola, but I do think he gets an uptick in value when Amendola isn't on the field, because his trust factor goes up with Brady when he's the only option next to Thompkins & Sudfeld...

 

[CanaBuc]

is he worth a first ww pick as an Amendola owner?

 

[OnTheReg]

is he worth a first ww pick as an Amendola owner?

100%. He will benefit greatly in Amendola's absence.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

is he worth a first ww pick as an Amendola owner?

Don't you already have a thread asking this question?

 

[CanaBuc]

I have a general thread about handuffing AMendola.

I am particularly undecided about using first waiver priority. MY leagues waivers don't reset but are rolling, so I might not have another opportunity to use a ww#1 pickup. Would hate to miss out on a potential stud RB who takes over due to injury etc.

 

[fantasycurse42]

To answer the title of your thread.... NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

They started him briefly before his injury over welker last year and they said the prevailing thought was he can do similar things as wes but can also do more as a outside wr where wes needs to be off the ball in the slot somewhere. like he isn't going to be as productive as wes but gave them more versatility.

 

[goodoldalky]

I'm lukewarm.

Rotoworld refers to the Pats "loving" Edelman and I don't see it. He's a role player. He's expendable as far as they are concerned. He's on a 1 year deal for basically the league minimum, he's depth, the Pats don't view him as a core piece of their offense. Amendola pulled his groin, Ridley was benched, Sudfeld got hurt, Tompkins had the drops, and Gronk was out and Brady had to throw to somebody and Edelman was one of the few WR's left on the roster.

I'd love for him to keep this up, but I believe Amendola is the next Wes Welker and I think that as the season goes on Edelman is fill-in depth for the Pats who will only be really useful in the case of injuries, etc. Down to hear folks who disagree.

Did you happen to catch how the Pats were using Edelman last season before he got hurt? And that was while Welker WAS on the roster, and when they had their TE's (when healthy).

What about last season? 9 games, 235 yards? Is that what has you pumped about this guy?

The Pats are not particularly high on this guy. They resigned him to the league minimum and then drafted a bunch of WR's and brought in Amendola specifically so that they would not have to rely on him. He had a good week 1 but I think it's got as much to do with Gronk, Vereen, Hernandez, and Amendola injuries/absences and the raw rookie WR's than anything else.

He may be a spectacular fill-in for a couple of games (Who else is left to catch passes?), but if the Pats' personnel decisions thus far say anything, it is that they intend to phase him out.

My .02 as a non-Amendola non-Edelman non-Brady owner, non-Pats fan.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm lukewarm.

Rotoworld refers to the Pats "loving" Edelman and I don't see it. He's a role player. He's expendable as far as they are concerned. He's on a 1 year deal for basically the league minimum, he's depth, the Pats don't view him as a core piece of their offense. Amendola pulled his groin, Ridley was benched, Sudfeld got hurt, Tompkins had the drops, and Gronk was out and Brady had to throw to somebody and Edelman was one of the few WR's left on the roster.

I'd love for him to keep this up, but I believe Amendola is the next Wes Welker and I think that as the season goes on Edelman is fill-in depth for the Pats who will only be really useful in the case of injuries, etc. Down to hear folks who disagree.

Did you happen to catch how the Pats were using Edelman last season before he got hurt? And that was while Welker WAS on the roster, and when they had their TE's (when healthy).

What about last season? 9 games, 235 yards? Is that what has you pumped about this guy?The Pats are not particularly high on this guy. They resigned him to the league minimum and then drafted a bunch of WR's and brought in Amendola specifically so that they would not have to rely on him. He had a good week 1 but I think it's got as much to do with Gronk, Vereen, Hernandez, and Amendola injuries/absences and the raw rookie WR's than anything else.

He may be a spectacular fill-in for a couple of games (Who else is left to catch passes?), but if the Pats' personnel decisions thus far say anything, it is that they intend to phase him out.

My .02 as a non-Amendola non-Edelman non-Brady owner, non-Pats fan.

So then the answer is no, you did not see how the Pats were using him before he got hurt last season.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wait. I believe in Edelman, have since last year, BUT in teh 3rd preseason game, the so called dress rehearsal when Danny A was out,

Thompkins was the man, 8/116:

http://www.patriots.com/schedule-and-stats/game/2013/preseason3

 

[goodoldalky]

So then the answer is no, you did not see how the Pats were using him before he got hurt last season.

He was on pace for 37 catches and 417 yards over a 16 game season. Teach me, why is last year encouraging to you?

 

[steveski]

I'm lukewarm.

Rotoworld refers to the Pats "loving" Edelman and I don't see it. He's a role player. He's expendable as far as they are concerned. He's on a 1 year deal for basically the league minimum, he's depth, the Pats don't view him as a core piece of their offense. Amendola pulled his groin, Ridley was benched, Sudfeld got hurt, Tompkins had the drops, and Gronk was out and Brady had to throw to somebody and Edelman was one of the few WR's left on the roster.

I'd love for him to keep this up, but I believe Amendola is the next Wes Welker and I think that as the season goes on Edelman is fill-in depth for the Pats who will only be really useful in the case of injuries, etc. Down to hear folks who disagree.

Did you happen to catch how the Pats were using Edelman last season before he got hurt? And that was while Welker WAS on the roster, and when they had their TE's (when healthy).

What about last season? 9 games, 235 yards? Is that what has you pumped about this guy?

The Pats are not particularly high on this guy. They resigned him to the league minimum and then drafted a bunch of WR's and brought in Amendola specifically so that they would not have to rely on him. He had a good week 1 but I think it's got as much to do with Gronk, Vereen, Hernandez, and Amendola injuries/absences and the raw rookie WR's than anything else.

He may be a spectacular fill-in for a couple of games (Who else is left to catch passes?), but if the Pats' personnel decisions thus far say anything, it is that they intend to phase him out.

My .02 as a non-Amendola non-Edelman non-Brady owner, non-Pats fan.

Do you think they'd pay Brady more if they could sign him for the league minimum?

 

[goodoldalky]

Do you think they'd pay Brady more if they could sign him for the league minimum?

I'm not sure about that. But I do know they are paying 5 of their wide recievers more than Edelman, which doesn't suggest to me that they are that excited about him.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So then the answer is no, you did not see how the Pats were using him before he got hurt last season.

He was on pace for 37 catches and 417 yards over a 16 game season. Teach me, why is last year encouraging to you?

You'd have to actually watch the games to know what I'm talking about. Before he was injured last year, Edelman was a big part of their gameplan and had even supplanted Welker to a degree. He was making plays all over the place. I beleive it was week 2 that he was targeted a bunch, caught a TD pass, had a 50 yard run, and returned a punt for a TD. That was his breakout as a playmaker the Pats could trust, then he got hurt and his season never recovered. Neither did his health, until training camp. Which is why no one else touched him in FA and why the Pats were able to sign him for so cheap.You can't just be a box score watcher to catch stuff like this, which is why I asked if you saw how the Pats were using him before he got hurt last year.

Here's part of a rotoworld blurb that directly contradicts your assertion that they "are not particularly high" on Edelman. They are speculating just as much as you are, and maybe more. But it shows the other side of the coin:

Remember that before a hand injury last year, Edelman was starting over Wes Welker. The Patriots are infatuated with him.

 

[Leonidas]

 

[Run It Up]

He was never good enough in the past to be a key player. Everyone else got worse, he didnt get better.

 

[Run It Up]

I don't get the hype on this guy who hasn't ever accomplished anything.

Even as an Amedola owner, I'm not interested in dropping other prospects on my bench for this guy.

I'll pass.

He caught two TDs in week 1, someone will always be clamoring for a guy that does that. But as you rightly pointed out I have said in other threads, exercise caution. Edelman is a utility player nothing more, I'm pretty confident he will never be a key player, hes been given a shot every year and other than understanding the system, which granted is a huge hurdle for Pats WRs, he has been completely unimpressive.

 

[ldizzle]

Who else they gonna throw to

 

[ratbast]

Brady likes to spread it around and there is seemingly no player in that WR core that is going to get X amount of targets.

Why not? Im buying for quality WR depth.

 

[ponchsox]

No. He's a career role player and special teamer. He's not a WR that would ever come close to catching 100 passes.